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Franchising Fraudlist

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#1
WinterZ

Let's all create a list of all the players in franchising that don't deserve to be there. I will be taking suggestions from the comments provided they are not bait.

The list so far is...

Seoldam
crow
soulcas
Destrian
xms
LightningFast
Sushiboys
keloqz
xnfri
eKo
takeJ
SkRossi
Derrek
stellar
Reita
Tacolilla
GodDead
ANGE1
Boo
koldamenta
fl1pzjder
tuyz

#2
meteorite
65
Frags
+

carpe

#33
Malki420
-41
Frags
+

Soulcas

#83
Luck_
-11
Frags
+

soulcas will actually own this tourney and finally prove to everyone how good he is
always believed in soulcas

#145
Malki420
26
Frags
+

Hahahaha.......

#152
AzShun
5
Frags
+

Super Mega common L Luck

#301
ArterieX
2
Frags
+

He was once best initiator in emea or maybe the world also those smooth skye flashes and insane mechanical KAYO

#340
whoagain
0
Frags
+

the best.......🤡

#358
ArterieX
1
Frags
+

You just a random hater

#362
whoagain
0
Frags
+

hating is what i'd be doing when someone was actually good

well 100t and tl's delusional fans have really low standards

can't blame them

#146
Wartorn
17
Frags
+

-26, they called him crazy for this

#159
kbkdark
0
Frags
+

the time has innocented you my friend

#170
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

aged like fine wine

#206
no1haterbutloveyou2
1
Frags
+

YEYY THEY REMOVED DUBSTEP AND TS SHEEESH

#3
Chirby
1
Frags
+

SEOLDAM

#4
asd7
12
Frags
+

carpe wolfen seoldam

#218
Shots
7
Frags
+

I dont believe wolfen is fraud hes 18 with no t1 experience and imagine playing your first match vs nrg on lan he was definitely nervous

#444
adilKhan
1
Frags
+

Lol the Wolfen take aged poorly

#5
HockeyStick
5
Frags
+

Koi jett and dfm jett

#6
mckun
4
Frags
+

too early

#18
WinterZ
3
Frags
+

#17

#36
mckun
-17
Frags
+

ok then
Seoldam
Tehbotol
Destrian
murizzz

#63
AzShun
33
Frags
+

Bro said tehbotol when he drop 38 kills in his first international map

#86
blinkweeb
3
Frags
+

anyone but tehbotol

#167
mckun
-5
Frags
+

I'm really sorry, I was wrong.
Please let me make a correction.

-tehbotol
+RRQ ex. Emman
😂😂😂😂😂

#26
Dybala21
0
Frags
+

Just let them be, atleast they get their impression

#7
AntiWest
9
Frags
+

looking forward to this list throughout the season, time to expose the frauds once and for all.

#8
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Amen brotha

#9
G2ShahZaM
-65
Frags
+

carpe, seoldam, SouhcNi, 60% of the Team Secret roster, SkRossi, WRONSKI,

#11
WinterZ
11
Frags
+

which 60% of the TS roster are we talking abt?

#23
rosso4000
7
Frags
+

im guessing he refers to the boomers

#12
titanwithpp
23
Frags
+

Why WRONSKI, guy can't even play in the event lmao

#361
Acyclovir
0
Frags
+

that's the reason

#15
Guy_who_fucked_ur_mom
26
Frags
+

TS rossi and wronski didn't even played a single fucking match and still your ass got burn by seeing their name on the list ffs get a life

#71
Blanc_cataloq
1
Frags
+

This guy is definition of deluding your mind to VLRgg comments and giving dogshow takes 😂

#110
Skorp4k
0
Frags
+

the moment you said skrossi oops

#155
evnsu
1
Frags
+

aged like milk

#157
Aalo
0
Frags
+

this aged well

#195
smizuu
1
Frags
+

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TEAM LULQUID LOST TO BOOMERS 2-0 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA LOL KEKW LULW MONKAS COPIUM

#10
Derpp
-13
Frags
+

Every single player from FUT + some players from BBL(we'll see tmrw)

  • SHIN, newzera(🐶shit apparently)
  • axeddy
#38
Derpp
33
Frags
+

SHIN goes off the fraud list. I apologize sleeping on this crackhead.. however newzera stays since he sucks ass

#60
Zaba
4
Frags
+

bro axxedy is a 6 player wtf

#273
avepalto
1
Frags
+

axeddy it's pretty decent and he's a 6 man, better than klaus and nagz imo

#13
kid_named_finger
14
Frags
+

Hot take: starxo

#21
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

He kinda does look washed a bit

#30
kid_named_finger
6
Frags
+

He’s looked washed for awhile now. Maybe it’s a role identity crisis, but he’s been looking rough. Only reason he’s on this team is because he’s a former world champ.

#53
Hunter_______
8
Frags
+

I personally don't agree with that. He is playing heavy support for KOI ie: Sage, Breach. Meaning he has to care more about setting up Wolfen (who doesn't deserve to be in franchising), than getting the frags himself. You saw in the Haven game that he was saving Wolfen's awp almost every round. Meaning he didn't get many opportunities to fight. As a bonus note, Wolfen only got like 2 picks with the awp.

#134
CorpL
2
Frags
+

he doesn't look comfortable on the role. honestly put him on the sentinel role, and put sheydos back on the flex since we know sheydos is a great flex for M3C

#14
LouBag
10
Frags
+

Only 4 teams have played. It’s stupid to call people frauds that you haven’t seen play in 4 months.

Korean Jet is the only fraud I have seen so far.

#17
WinterZ
13
Frags
+

for clarification, I will be updating this list as the tournament and the season goes on. Just starting it now to get it in early

#16
Pogtestic
1
Frags
+

wait till each group ends first

#22
WinterZ
3
Frags
+

#17

#19
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

Nice it's spicy now

#20
Chirby
-3
Frags
+

why are people saying wolfen he didn't even play that bad

#24
nerdsabkabaap
-1
Frags
+

Woh chinese/japanese soldam
REMEMBER NERD SBKA BAAP BOLTE ( I am your father ) 🚀🚀

#112
Skorp4k
-1
Frags
+

bhai velocity fan nikalja bhai washed ec1s aur doma ko sambhal

#25
I_HATE_MCE
-20
Frags
+

Cned

#27
0--BananaMan--0
3
Frags
+

:0

#28
WinterZ
3
Frags
+

spicy take

why do you think he doesn't deserve it?

#31
Ullyr
3
Frags
+

At least wait till Navi plays lol

#50
Itsover
0
Frags
+

He looked good last series he played wdym

#29
Sprouts
-5
Frags
+

Mixwell, DubsteP, Patiphan (only if he ends up washed like Seoldam), Secret

#32
Ullyr
-3
Frags
+

Most of secret actually. M1xwell kinda smart player and actually been doing well with new role. Patiphan might be washed idk..

#248
Granite
0
Frags
+

LUL

#249
RebelHeartXO
0
Frags
+

pinagsasabi ng mga to

eh nanalo TS sa Talon

#35
titanwithpp
7
Frags
+

Disagree with mixwell, he was horrible on G2 when we played duelist/chamber but with keloqz back on that role, mixwell plays defensive which suits him

#58
Okoretro
0
Frags
+

keloqz is literally a bigger fraud than mixwell

#97
blazennn
4
Frags
+

no. Keloqz is inconsistent, Mixwell has the aim of a Ascendant player

#114
Skorp4k
1
Frags
+

only reason he made it is because he experienced

#34
ry666
1
Frags
+

it's a bit too early to call shin and newzera a fraud no? we haven't even see them play

#436
TheAqif
0
Frags
+

this aged well

#37
asdfgh
1
Frags
+

people calling players frauds based on no matches lmfao

#39
NG1nS
0
Frags
+

KEEP HIS NAME OUT OF YOUR FUXKING MOUTH

#40
sp0rtsman
3
Frags
+

SHIN deserved it, lmao he just proved everyone wrong XDDDDDD

#41
brahianv
5
Frags
+

XMS

#42
Strafe7
-3
Frags
+

RRQ

#43
Domination
0
Frags
+

Let them play first, SHIN is a good player🗿 Don't judge so early, dumb dumb

#44
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

-SHIN

#45
BoF7ooM
3
Frags
+

Quick remove shin

#47
brahianv
-1
Frags
+

i agree remove shin and put that fraud XMS

#55
SigmaMale
2
Frags
+

XMS did well in the first map though?

#46
pitchfork
0
Frags
+

L

#48
pitchfork
0
Frags
+

L

#49
CGX
1
Frags
+

Remove SHIN

#51
KssS
1
Frags
+

bro most of these people havent played their matches yet and you guys jump to conclusions

#52
Derpp
-1
Frags
+

Sorry guys the reason SHIN on this list is my fault
#10
xms and newzera sucks BALLS tho.

#54
Tyro_Maniac
7
Frags
+

Get Shin off

#56
yaiima0
9
Frags
+

Add Xms and newzera and remove shin.

#57
ChrisGG
0
Frags
+

souhcni average in Turkish league so not even close to franchise level

#59
queueK
-8
Frags
+

all of eg
dapr
sick

#81
vollizie
0
Frags
+

We haven't even seen EG yet, SicK is a 6th man, and dapr isn't even in franchising. Wtf is blud talking about?💀

#85
yaiima0
1
Frags
+

Out of his ass as usual

#61
1500hrsSovamain
0
Frags
+

Bump

#62
adilKhan
0
Frags
+

Seoldam for sure.

#64
GooberBoy
0
Frags
+

starxo is a weaker player than he used to be but he is probably still deserving
wolfen was the best vrl player last year, he deserved a chance
I like the rest of ur list, an unpopular I'll say is Tuyz but because he joined Loud he will probably succeed, but realistically based on his past performance he's not deserving IMO.
IDK if EG is cheating but C0m is good not great, same with than
jzz is also not very good but his new role could be complementary
keloqz, maybe mixwell
dep also kinda works for this

#65
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

Take out shin and newzera

#68
BLACKitten
0
Frags
+

shin was mvp today tf u on?

#72
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

yes that's what i mean this is a fraud list they shouldn't be on the list lol

#66
Wronghand
2
Frags
+

Get Shin off that shit, Bro threw the two other French shitters on his back AND RAN.

#73
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

nah problem was this list was made prematurely yesterday. but yeah both shin and newzera shouldn't be on list.

#77
Wronghand
0
Frags
+

Nah, Newzera is fine to chill on the list. He can come off once he goes positive on a single map or breaks 11 kills.

#67
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

+PRX

#69
Ziro
2
Frags
+

where is DFM

#70
Perma
1
Frags
+

everyone except NA

#74
blazeh_
1
Frags
+

why is shin on this list

#75
WinterZ
3
Frags
+

just got removed :)

#76
WinterZ
8
Frags
+

EDIT: no more SHIN on the list holy hell bro is a demon

#78
Ryuji
1
Frags
+

😭😭

#79
cocoluna
5
Frags
+

Entire EG csgo roster oh wait wrong game
FUCK EG

#80
werZy
0
Frags
+

brazilians:

axeddy
murizzz
mazin
maybe heat (we ll see tomorrow)

#263
Kr1zt
0
Frags
+

Heat?? He carry MIBR

#82
AzShun
-5
Frags
+

Where's lightningfast?

#84
sxfhmilf
1
Frags
+

dephh

#89
Yessire
0
Frags
+

what a twat you are

#87
solsolid
-1
Frags
+

RRQ 2ge, RRQ emman

#88
LULE
0
Frags
+

carpe
wolfen
newzera
seoldam
it's too early tho

#90
ibop_
-1
Frags
+

Koldamenta and Mixwell don’t deserve to be franchised

#91
Skyss
-1
Frags
+

+boo
+frz
+davai

#93
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

nah Boo is fine he’s being forced to play this role he isn’t accustomed.

frz also played good in that match

#92
WinterZ
-5
Frags
+

add eKo and Secret?

#94
vollizie
1
Frags
+

xms needs to be added to this list immediately.

#95
Qwertyy
2
Frags
+

xms

#96
Sita_MOE
-3
Frags
+

+hoody
+cloud
+0.5 Scream (one step aside as IGL)
+mixwell

#98
blazennn
-8
Frags
+

all of Secret
all of FUT
all of DFM
end of list

#99
Sita_MOE
0
Frags
+

no. GE wating room rumble...

#101
Mjtchell
-1
Frags
+

BBL is typing...

#204
remnant_Aeher12
-1
Frags
+

Team Secret beat liquid why does everyone hate on them

#100
Mjtchell
1
Frags
+

I would just like to put appreciation for c0m as he still grinds to keep his spot
Last year he was on Akrew and probably under the radar for the most part, but he looks like he meshes well with EG and still plays up to par

#102
Sita_MOE
0
Frags
+

he's best player on complex gaming era

#103
1500hrsSovamain
-2
Frags
+

+PRX

#104
Ullyr
0
Frags
+

Xms

#105
brahianv
4
Frags
+

XMS! this guy sneak up in this kcorp team and is dragging this team down he such a fraud one trick cypher.

#106
Agent0
-2
Frags
+

Bro Seoldam played one map and Carpe hasn't played a VCT game yet. It's way too early to call anyone frauds

#115
Sita_MOE
4
Frags
+

Carpe OW transition he too late for this year

#107
spoken
-2
Frags
+

mixwell. i dont understand how tf hes still employed.

#120
koromast
0
Frags
+

me neither but as long as i know none of his ex teammates ever blamed it for anything so imo hes just good as 2nd caller or gives the team something because somehow his teams always make it to a LAN.

#108
CowokjarangmAndy
0
Frags
+

xms

#109
babysasuke
0
Frags
+

Zellsis

#111
AntiWest
0
Frags
+

xms

#113
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

EDIT II: added xms

#116
sheppy
2
Frags
+

why dubstep?

#119
WinterZ
4
Frags
+

he's a fossil

used to be great but his form fell off heavily with age

#122
sheppy
1
Frags
+

damm

#117
widepeepofrosty
-6
Frags
+

mixwell shit player, C0M (tier 2 random that got picked up on franchise, even got to play on the main roster for some fucking reason, actual paycheck stealer)

#118
Calangod
1
Frags
+

the whole mibr roster except heat

#121
kshah
0
Frags
+

like most of the RRQ roster

#123
FlameJi
4
Frags
+

Let them cook

#124
SigmaMale
-5
Frags
+

Add the whole prx clan

#125
1500hrsSovamain
-1
Frags
+

This bozo trying so hard not to put prx on the list

#130
SigmaMale
-3
Frags
+

Agreed

#126
Siege_
-6
Frags
+

The whole SEN roster

#127
p1ay2ac3
1
Frags
+

WHOLE OF ARGH ARGH QUE EXCEPT FOR TEHBOTOL 🗿

#128
Lyze
0
Frags
+

i thought lme and flipz good?

#129
Adi69LassiSeller
-2
Frags
+

Nope this is just overhating. RRQ is good and I'm not even trolling. Just wait until they play

#131
PRLV
-1
Frags
+

Rhyme, his IGL looked so sus

#132
Chow1E
-1
Frags
+

why no forsaken?

#133
Pikmin
-4
Frags
+

NGL this is kinda mean to the players. You should decide after they play in their leagues after lock in because it's only a Bo3.

#136
Ullyr
4
Frags
+

this is vlr sorry

#135
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

any players that should be added?

#137
Chow1E
-1
Frags
+

Vanity ig, or boostio and bcj

#138
SigmaMale
3
Frags
+

vanity/ bcj have proven themselves on lan before. boostio didnt do too bad. atleast they won a match

#139
Sita_MOE
-1
Frags
+

+potter 100%
+mce 100%
+zellsis 80%

Source:
“It seems like specifically mCe and Zellsis are not in “best in the world” mindset And I don’t think the rest of the pieces at their last known state are innately talented enough to make up for that“ - Braindamaged VLR user (babysasuke)

#143
SigmaMale
-2
Frags
+

remove zellsis and youre right. mce and potter are frauds for the comps they cooked up. chet would never do that shit

#140
Skuul13
-2
Frags
+

JZZ
rly bad mibr player
trust me.
wasnt good against tier 2 teams in VCT BR

#141
Nahbooo
-7
Frags
+

RRQ, TS, Scream, Nivera, BBL, DTN, benkai, davai

#142
Congo1
5
Frags
+

Mixwell.

#144
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Ion think any additions are needed to the list after yesterday's matches but yall lmk if there's anyone u want on there

#147
Skuul13
4
Frags
+

the entire kru roster

#148
Trip11
8
Frags
+

-DubsteP +soulcas
no cap

#149
Stratos
5
Frags
+

-dubstep +soulcas ?

#150
batstew1
5
Frags
+

dubstep off list for now, soulcas and NagZ on

#151
AntiWest
4
Frags
+

+soulcas wouldn't be suprised if this is gonna be his last year in Liquid
+several ZETA member

#153
alice_
-3
Frags
+

zeta played well overall. ascent was a shitshow cuz for some reason their ascent has been ALWAYS bad lol.

#154
Stratos
5
Frags
+

nah he has a point with several ZETA members, some JP hardcore fans felt had enough with players like dep who were good at online settings but inconsistent at the international LAN. Moreover that this is supposed to be his year to improve into a world class player level now that Chamber is off from the meta.

#158
alice_
0
Frags
+

fair

#161
YabbaYabba24818
0
Frags
+

I agree, sugarz3ro is insane tho

#156
WinterZ
5
Frags
+

added soulcas and NagZ to the list

#160
Eldy
-3
Frags
+

Skrossi add please.

#162
KanyeAsada
0
Frags
+

NOT AFTER THAT 3K!!!

#165
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

*4K

#163
373washoooi
0
Frags
+

we need to update this one

#164
Botkiller69
0
Frags
+

Update pls

#166
canyon
0
Frags
+

update real quick

#168
WinterZ
-1
Frags
+

Added SkRossi, Bazzi and TENNN

#169
n1cf
0
Frags
+

+yay

#171
St1ngg
1
Frags
+

whats up w this list. they all deserve to be on their franchised teams. just some bad plays wont cut them off. i mean its the very first Lock in tourna. cut them some slack

#172
DbBested
0
Frags
+

Derke

#173
Okoretro
-3
Frags
+

Cryocells

#174
monopoly90
0
Frags
+

expected to see soulcas on the list lol

#175
373washoooi
0
Frags
+

update

#176
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

any1 yall want added to the list?

#177
_s
1
Frags
+

RRQ player's

#180
Derpp
-1
Frags
+

everyone in RRQ and FUT
SKRossi
dephh
zekken

#182
Sita_MOE
0
Frags
+

+hoody
+cloud
+0.5 Scream (one step aside as IGL)
+mixwell

+potter 100%
+mce 100%
+zellsis 80%

#190
Itsover
0
Frags
+

Cloud is the best player in giants roster tf? Hoody is second best too, braindead take.

#194
Sita_MOE
0
Frags
+

1-13 7-13 ??
Fit1nho back is hurt

#205
Itsover
0
Frags
+

Fitinho was low tab in both maps they lost, tf are u on?

#178
EMEAstan
0
Frags
+

Add dephh and zekken

#179
thatpower
0
Frags
+

crow dephh

#181
LouBag
5
Frags
+

Add Sen coaches.

Dog shit idiots putting Zekken on breach and tenz on sage.

🗑

#183
EttedoSolemn
2
Frags
+

Add the sentinels coach and dephh

#184
Gutssz
-2
Frags
+

add only dephh, not zekken

#197
SAMPV6
-1
Frags
+

he played horribly today, why not add him

#185
sp0rtsman
0
Frags
+

SEN

#186
orthoboy
0
Frags
+

sykko dephh zekken

#187
MuZe
0
Frags
+

Dephh for sure, SEN need a better igl

#188
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

added dephh, 2GE and C0M

#189
vroonski
0
Frags
+

Dephh not zekken because MY GOd wHY depHh CaNT hiT A sHOt

#191
pixh
0
Frags
+

no way this man added zekken to the list

#192
fapcity
0
Frags
+

why are zekken and dephh even on here. They already proved themselves internationally

#196
SAMPV6
-2
Frags
+

not proved in Franchising, this is a Franchising Fraudlist

#193
widepeepofrosty
-3
Frags
+

add c0m and mixwell

#203
aidmadeit
0
Frags
+

had a nice ace at least

#198
Sita_MOE
1
Frags
+

this vlr list cannot trust
go watch replay Carpe
he is improvement

#200
PrinceCharming
4
Frags
+

To be fair, it does make sense. Last time he played he had legit played probably a month of valorant. Him improving quickly as he gets to grips with playing a tac shooter at the highest level is pretty likely tbh

#199
_s
4
Frags
+

No RRQ Player = Shit List

#201
hyperbanjo
4
Frags
+

Very disappointed ____

#202
misssscchhh
-4
Frags
+

skrossi
lightningfast

#207
373washoooi
0
Frags
+

Remove carpe

#208
Ullyr
4
Frags
+

Add autumn and munchkin

#209
jeMEGASUS
0
Frags
+

for how much tenz and yay are being paid shouldn't they be considered as frauds too? (not trolling actual question)

#210
ajwinner
0
Frags
+

dubstep

#211
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

any1 who should be added?

#212
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

any fraudlist worthy players from the last matches?

#213
enri
1
Frags
+

Carpe played good idk about rest

#214
KuyaJbroz21
1
Frags
+

i wouldn't say Bazzi since he was put in a role that doesn't make any sense for his playstyle and for the team . . .

#215
nbawxx
0
Frags
+

i don't think it's wise enough to judge teamplay based on 1-2 matches, but for lock in only.. all rrq players should be on this list ..very mid

#216
CorpseParty23
-1
Frags
+

Cryo needs to be here

#217
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Any players that need to be added?

#219
vetements
2
Frags
+

BONECOLD

#221
Zayol
-1
Frags
+

Add emil.

#220
Siege_
-5
Frags
+

No Seoldam = shit list 💀💀💀

#222
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Did you read the list?

Check again and look carefully this time

#223
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

nobody needs to be added from the playoff teams right?

#224
Tanmayyy
0
Frags
+

^⁠_⁠^

#225
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

will update today

#226
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

should I add ban?

#229
WXR
5
Frags
+

+ban - bazzi for sure, bazzi proved his worth even tho he is supposed to be a 6th man, and ban played worse than T1's 6th man (iNTRO)

#231
crashhacker1
0
Frags
+

add ban and removing bazzi for sure, even though we lost, he popped off.

#227
SigmaMale
-2
Frags
+

Imagine putting carpe on the list even after lock in. Also add every PRX member here

#228
Devanshhhhhh
2
Frags
+

my question is ur judging players in basis of what like what are the requirements for being in franchise as a player

#237
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Judging them based off stats if they are a normal player and based off how organized they look in a match if they are an IGL

hope this helps :)

#230
ChromeDZN
0
Frags
+

Carpe, crow

#232
BAAM_HUNGNT
0
Frags
+

crazyguy should be in a franchise teamm

#233
AzShun
0
Frags
+

omegalul no

#234
definitioNvlrt
0
Frags
+

who?

#475
xbiubiuuu
0
Frags
+

he is now

#235
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Who should I add/remove?

#236
Vellor
0
Frags
+

d4v4is starting to improve and he's the second shot caller with forsaken

#238
horse69
0
Frags
+

carpe was good, and starxo needs to get off there after today's 1v3 clutch
add RRQ and crow

#239
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

removed starxo and added crow

who from RRQ do u want me to add?

#240
randomperson
0
Frags
+

remove d4v4i

#241
Marshal_D_Teach
0
Frags
+

Hey bro you should notify who entered and who left

#242
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Removed d4v41

#243
Supervegitos69
0
Frags
+

add mixwell this dude playstyle is ass, and sometimes had braindead move on mid-round play..

#244
manannn
0
Frags
+

Bro forgot C9 players and NRG's sixth man 'ethos'

#245
randomperson
0
Frags
+

dont count six man cause they usually just a spot filler

#246
Nisham
7
Frags
+

Remove everyone off the list until they get 3 games atleast.

#252
YshouldICare
0
Frags
+

W

#247
BackoxyXD
0
Frags
+

8/8 common W

#250
Warlordwibz
-8
Frags
+

Monyet

#251
WinterZ
5
Frags
+

nah he looked good against VIT imo

give him more time to adjust to new role and he'll prove himself to be a demon

#253
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

anyone who needs to be added?

#254
pkSqueegee
0
Frags
+

scream (as an igl)

#256
Ryuji
-1
Frags
+

Tenz

#255
FrostTree187
0
Frags
+

add mindfreak

#257
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

removed Newzera seeing as hes not in franchise anymore, added mindfreak

who else should I add/remove?

#259
FDWC-
0
Frags
+

add Khalil

he a fraud

#262
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

yk if u said this just after LOCK//IN i would've agreed but since then hes really turned his performance around

#265
FDWC-
0
Frags
+

watch him getting exposed in the playoff

trust

#258
PandaPrince
0
Frags
+

given skrossi's performance in his singular map of ICEBOX... i think u should remove him from the list <3

#260
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

nah he hasn't convinced me enough yet

he stays on for now

#261
PandaPrince
0
Frags
+

adding him after just 1 match was an L move anyway but its ur thread so np

#264
monsieur
3
Frags
+

u do realise while he performed very well domestically in India, he never reached that level during apac qualifier prior to franchising, GE almost always immediately eliminated.

#266
Tanmayyy
0
Frags
+
- SkRossi
+ WRONSKI
+ LightningFast
#267
WinterZ
12
Frags
+

Removed SkRossi, added WRONSKI and LightningFast

#274
FDWC-
5
Frags
+

Skrossi only had 1 good map and that's it

that don't mean shit

same with LF

he only had 1 bad map

why put him on the list? he kinda decent imo

#268
eeeeeeeee
1
Frags
+

why no heretics players bro?

#269
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

good point

#270
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Added keloqz

#271
proud_bandwagoners
0
Frags
+

mixwell?

#272
WinterZ
2
Frags
+

hired him to play sentinel but cuz of AvovA's shitty agent pool and Boo's inability to play flex he's forced onto a role he is unfamiliar with

not his fault at all tbh

#275
LOL__U
0
Frags
+

why lf on the list tho? wth

#276
gr1ef
0
Frags
+

both the Indian players needs some time (ik Rossi isn't in the list). This is their first time playing in one of the Major Regions and I can't say much about WRONSKI because I haven't followed him since his 'we qual to masters bro' against BOOM eSports

#277
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Anyone who should be added/removed?

#278
Okoretro
0
Frags
+

Starxo

#280
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

bet

#281
nyto
0
Frags
+

-crow
As you can see from the last 2-3 games, his performances have consistently helped the team since he was released from his IGL role.

#283
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

nah

only time he looked good was against DFM, rest was either mid or dogshit

he stays on for now

#282
Warlordwibz
0
Frags
+

+Benkai
he's perma benched now

#279
Luck_
-3
Frags
+

bro snuck in wronski like we wouldnt know 😹😹😹

#284
WinterZ
2
Frags
+

wronski on initiator <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

GE management needs to get the Aussie last hope on duelists then he can go off

#287
Luck_
0
Frags
+

frrrrr

#285
Laski
0
Frags
+

+xnfri
+Reita
+Anthem

These 3 players are clearly not performing league worthy.
xnfri only looks a little better when he is in charge of Skye, but other than that he is really bad.
Anthem has won Ace a few times, but is basically the worst IGL in Asia!

#286
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

+xnfri

yes.

rest are alright tho

#311
nyto
1
Frags
+

Perhaps now is the time to add them to the list!

#288
Chow1E
4
Frags
+

xms might be not fraud, they proven with better coach

#289
Supervegito007
0
Frags
+

Add eko Ejay

#290
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

bet

#291
Clayy
0
Frags
+

remove Ejay and 2ge pls

#294
FDWC-
0
Frags
+

NO LOL

#295
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

No.

#306
Clayy
0
Frags
+

how about now?

#308
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

both are still awful so no

#292
inafog
0
Frags
+

mixwell

#296
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

refer to #273

#293
BackoxyXD
0
Frags
+

jawgemo

#297
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

yes

#298
manurmad
-2
Frags
+

Taco

#314
south_america_best_region
0
Frags
+

there is no better duelist in latam

#382
kirrans
0
Frags
+

there definitely is

#299
dezzo
0
Frags
+

MIBR frz

#300
PoonRaccoon
4
Frags
+

LightningFast should be removed before we see atleast 5 maps from him

#302
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

put Botssi🗿 back

#303
Warlordwibz
0
Frags
+

zeek

#304
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

not even in franchising anymore lulw

#305
Warlordwibz
0
Frags
+

top of the list with ✓ for successful confirmed fraud

#307
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

tbh zeek wasnt even that bad for TH

keloqz and AvovA are weighing this team down

#309
thatpower
3
Frags
+

bro remove ban asap

#310
yizuz777
0
Frags
+

The thing with Wolfen is that they put him on Jett when he´s always been Sentinel, so he couldnt play in confort agent

#312
canyon
4
Frags
+

+Skrossi
-ban

#313
south_america_best_region
0
Frags
+

-jawgemo
+Klaus bc Adverso>>>>

#315
Laski
4
Frags
+

I am not too sure what you are basing your listing of players on.
Please add all players with lower season ratings than Tenn already on the list.
Otherwise this list will be inconsistent.

+Anthem
+Crws
+Carpe
+garnetS
+AYRIN
+takeJ
+cgrs
+Reita
+Sushiboys
+eKo

#316
KaedeTsuneta
8
Frags
+

cgrs is not a fraud, they sign him just for the clout to get Thai fans and he brings what they want

#320
Laski
4
Frags
+

Indeed. Add everything but him.

#322
CARPE
0
Frags
+

Remove Lord Carpe and your list will be somewhat decent.
It is a pure sign of disrespect for his prowess.

#317
Asuna_Yuuki
0
Frags
+

Take C0m off

#318
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

put skrossi back

#319
Cresp
2
Frags
+

TAKE CUM OFF THAT LIST

#321
Shidoh
2
Frags
+

whole mibr roster except for bzkA and jzz

#323
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

removed C0M, ban; added SkRossi, takej, Anthem, Reita

#324
Cresp
0
Frags
+

Ty i feel good now

#325
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

anything for u brother cresp

#335
canyon
0
Frags
+

THANK U I LOVE U

#326
Cannot
0
Frags
+

take jawgemo, mindfreak, SushiboyS, and Wronski off

sushiboys and wronski have both been pretty fine when they have played, just their respective teams decided on different 5 man starting rosters that didn't use them and its just unfair to have two players who have barely played on this list.

and jawgemo and mindfreak have shown that they are very good players. jawgemo has maybe the most crazy entertaining aggro playstyle to watch in all of franchising imo and he some how gets away with it and does so well with that wild style. and mindfreak looks especially good now that PRX have found their form again

#329
WinterZ
-3
Frags
+

jawgemo is a raze onetrick, thats why hes on the list

mindfreak has been mid since copenhagen, thats why hes on the list

and as for sushiboys and wronski there is a reason why they only played a few games and got subbed off

#331
FrostTree187
0
Frags
+

nt remove mindfreak off

#332
meadows
0
Frags
+

mindfreak isn't mid

you can just admit you don't watch the matches

#334
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

bottom 3 acs in the league

bottom 17 rating at LOCK//IN (below wolfen btw)

bottom 9 ACS at Champs '22

all that while not even IGLing. This is not Copenhagen anymore. Time to accept that mindfreak isn't what he used to be.

#345
Cannot
0
Frags
+

jawgemo legit isn't a raze one trick, his impact and plays on controller have been immensely beneficial for EG's recent performances.

Mindfreak's has looked amazing since PRX brought Something in and he has found timings and space that have helped PRX so many times

and for sushiboys and wronksi they are subs, that is not fraud worthy. if every player who isn't one of the starting 5 is not starting for a reason = a fraud then add every sub player across the league.

#350
WinterZ
-1
Frags
+

below 0.9 rated on all agents but one is not the type of agent pool a franchise level player should have and thats that

maybe mindfreak gets taken off if he further redeems himself in playoffs

what differentiates Wronski and sushiboys from other subs is that they have actually played matches with their roster whereas a player like ethos or qpert have not played matches for their teams and thats why theyre not here

hope this helps

#327
n1cf
-1
Frags
+

mixwell

#328
awsh
0
Frags
+

-TENNN
-crow

They may have low ratings and K/D ratios, but they have sufficient reasons to be removed from this list.
Both of them are among the top 10 in terms of KAST in the league, and crow has a very high APR. It's undeniable that they are inferior compared to top players like stax, BuZz, d4v41, and xeta, but ZETA made it to the playoffs because they fulfill the necessary role as a support player.

#344
oofington
0
Frags
+

🫡👍

#330
FrostTree187
0
Frags
+

remove EJAY and 2GE they alr prove they are good and can compete :D

#333
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

maybe if they prove themselves in off-season

#336
solsolid
0
Frags
+

sheesh, pretty spot on

#338
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

thanks man :)

#337
Sita_MOE
-2
Frags
+

where is y0y
add
-pati
-garnets

#339
elegant
0
Frags
+

TENZ

#341
whoagain
0
Frags
+

lmao add cned lil bro can't kill can't hit op shots kekw

#342
elegant
0
Frags
+

got his team qualified for playoff unlike tenz getting benched then coming back struggling to beat a 0 - 7 team lmao biggest onliner and most overrated player ever

#346
whoagain
0
Frags
+

so why do you hate him? because he's popular?

other pro's do not seem to worry tho..it's not like you're that person

#347
elegant
-1
Frags
+

did i say i hate him? what i said is facts dude is the most overrated player and biggest onliner in the scene the thread is about players who dont deserve to be there.. there are players that deserve to be there more than overrated tenz. other pros dont seem to worry cuz if they say anything about him the casual tenz fanbois are gonna throw so much hate on them which would ruin their brand and rep

#348
whoagain
-1
Frags
+

exactly
why do you care so much?

#349
elegant
1
Frags
+

can say the same about other player in this thread list why do people care so much about others too? or is it forbidden to call out tenz huh?

#351
whoagain
0
Frags
+

yes don't dare call out tyson

i know him like that in middle school

we best bro's

#354
elegant
-1
Frags
+

idc most overrated player biggest onliner fraud franchise player bench him lmao

#355
whoagain
0
Frags
+

well idc anymore you do you lil bro

playing w you was fun
go sleep now

it's 1:00 for you guys no?

#343
Nachtel
0
Frags
+

why is dephh still here

#352
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

removing him rn

#353
WinterZ
1
Frags
+

removed dephh seeing as he got booted from SEN, another fraud has been weeded out

#359
alice_
0
Frags
+

you should put a small list at the end of frauds that have been cut like newzera and dephh

#360
Vkay47
0
Frags
+

How is Jawgemo on the list?

#363
meadows
-1
Frags
+

remove mindfreak already

#364
Yuiaq
0
Frags
+

Still think mindfreak is a fraud even though they won?

#366
SleepyBear
0
Frags
+

lets be honest bro, put any smoker player on PRX they still gonna win
they play 20 sec and the round alrdy ended

#367
Yuiaq
0
Frags
+

dw bro i also thought mindfreak is a bot but hes proofed many times that he isn't a fraud

#376
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

what a shit take

#365
TheAqif
-1
Frags
+

hot take: everyone in kc except scream and shin

#371
hungeryman
0
Frags
+

Nah bro scream has been shit in this franchise league. Bro was bottom fragging every match

#373
endless1
0
Frags
+

i want you to take a moment to go on the latest kc matches and see whos on the top 4/5 times

#368
meadows
6
Frags
+

remove mindfreak

#369
dapada
5
Frags
+

entire NRG roster, except ardiis maybe

#370
Dybala21
0
Frags
+

Overreaction

#372
dapada
0
Frags
+

cry

#374
canyon
2
Frags
+

-Jawgemo -mindfreak

#375
Subreezy
1
Frags
+

WHY WAS MINDFREAK ON THIS LIST

#377
SleepyBear
0
Frags
+

like cmon bruh you know his performance has been poor since champion last year, now he is back to his prime i guess..

#378
chick
0
Frags
+

Why the actual fuck is dawgemo on this list?

#379
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

who needs to go on this list and who needs to be removed?

#380
Manaphy
0
Frags
+

Jawgemo

#381
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

bet

#385
Clayy
0
Frags
+

Remove Ejay, 2ge and mindfreak pls

#389
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

EJAY and 2ge can chill here for now mindfreak is going off tho

#401
Clayy
0
Frags
+

how about now?

#403
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

RRQ have convinced me

they can go off the list

#383
WinterZ20
2
Frags
+

Removed jawgemo, mindfreak, Anthem, Tacolilla; Added Derrek, stellar

#384
teilwal
0
Frags
+

Remove anthem lowkey no?

#387
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

agreed

#386
LifeIsALie
1
Frags
+

Remove Jawgemo and Mindfreak , add Derrek Stellar and bang

#392
The_Cleg
1
Frags
+

Derrek was the #1 fraud...

#457
LifeIsALie
0
Frags
+

Derrek and TenZ are such frauds

#388
The_Cleg
1
Frags
+

How are mindfreak, soulcas and deatrian here... Tf?

#390
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

mindfreak is gone, Destrian is mid asl even bordering on bad, soulcas struggles with consistency issues

#391
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.

Also, wym mindfreak gone? Some army thing?

#394
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Ok but there are so many players worse than them in T1 that aren't even mentioned here.

Such as? Tell me who they are so I can add em to the list

Also, wym mindfreak gone?

gone as in gone from the list

#396
The_Cleg
1
Frags
+

I'm bored so I don't wanna do a full list but like most players from MiBR, th, koldamenta etc. Soulcas clears them all tbf...

#393
Ldiablo69
2
Frags
+

Add tacolilla fraud

#395
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

omd yes

#397
Vuzy
-1
Frags
+

I was about to say yay and then realized that he is not even on T2 scene lmao

#398
Warlordwibz
3
Frags
+

WRONSKI retired

#399
hanafuuji
1
Frags
+

tacolilla aged well kkkk

#402
Ldiablo69
0
Frags
+

LITERALLY 1 MAP AFTER 11 MATCHES SEASON

#404
Ldiablo69
0
Frags
+

;.

#400
Chow1E
0
Frags
+

Remove kru players, starxo hasnt start lcq yet

#405
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Removed EJAY, 2ge, and WROSNKI cuz he retired

#406
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Guys do we remove Wolfen?

#407
Zaba
0
Frags
+

Wait for tomorrow. If he plays good, yes

#409
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

ight bet

#416
Zaba
0
Frags
+

Yes

#417
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

waiting for map 2 to end, ion wna jinx Wolfen

#408
alecksdesk
-8
Frags
+

+le0
+d0rke
+botster

#410
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

0/8

#411
alecksdesk
-3
Frags
+

i wasn't baiting.

#412
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Do we add GodDead?

#413
SilentNight
0
Frags
+

deffo, his utilities are top tier but aim wise dk he sucks

#414
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

bet

#415
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Added GodDead

#418
WinterZ
3
Frags
+

Removed Wolfen

#419
kirrans
0
Frags
+

add ange1 this guy has so much talent on his team and can't do a thing with them

#420
unknown_trash
1
Frags
+

REMOVED STARXO?

#425
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

ykw both of yall are right

#421
sentinelmain377
4
Frags
+

erase starxo

#422
soraol
-1
Frags
+

add tenz

#423
The_Cleg
1
Frags
+

Why is starxo in here but no koldamenta, mixwell, boo...

#427
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Mixwell and koldamenta are alright

u have a point with Boo tho

#428
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

I hope you are joking? soulcas clears them by miles

#446
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

koldamenta is still a world class IGL imo, took G2 and Guild to international appearances and is abt to do the same for KOI

as for Mixwell please refer to #273

#459
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Bro G2 was hard carried by sayf, leo and Trexx, 3 WORLD CLASS players, 2 of them are literally top 10 ITW rn, they should've won much more if it wasn't for kolda +Russ/yacine don't make me laugh.

Also KOI has 2 WORLD CLASS players in sheydos and trexxz and wolfen and starxo can be decent players as well, and they ended as the third worst team in the league with arguably the least depth....
Ask yourself some questions honestly

#460
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

look at G2 before and after they added koldamenta, it was truly a world of difference in the way they played the game, everything just looked so much cleaner.

As for Guild, the old Swedish core also had Sayf, Leo and prime Yacine, how come the best result those guys had was 2nd at LCQ but then when koldamenta steps in they go to LAN?

With KOI, you cant really blame kolda for that 7th place seeing as Wolfen, sheydos and starxo all werent doing much in terms of performance but now that theyve found form you see the true power of that team under koldamenta.

Even keloqz has spoken highly of koldamenta calling him the best IGL in VCT and stating that he makes players so comfortable in the game.

#470
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

He's good at IGLing but nowhere near top 5 level and his mechanics are way worse than FNS

#471
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

He's good at IGLing

yep and thats why he's not on here. Its not the IGLs job to be a mechanical demon, just to call the shots.

#472
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Ok but why do you lie about guild being so good after koldamenta joined compared to as they were before? First of all Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).

Second of all, guild without koldamenta arrived 2nd in LCQ behind LIQUID (soon to be 3rd in the world at champions), when EUROPE arguably had the 4 best teams in the world (they all won the groups they were in in champions 2021), finishing better than a very strong G2.

Also it's not like he's not a mechanical demon, he's an huge liability going 0.72 rated in the league with arguably the least depth.

When koldamenta arrived they went 3rd in Europe, but in an Europe basically without M3C, Acend and with a weaker G2... They didn't improve so much, in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...

#476
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).

So was Yacine back in the day, Swedish Guild still couldnt achieve anything

with a weaker G2

G2 only got weaker because koldamenta wasnt there to IGL the team lmao

in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...

It was an unfortunate situation where Guild had to get Yacine as a sub last minute cuz Riot didnt allow them to get Twisten for the LCQ. They had all of 2 days to practice with him, cant blame kolda at all there

#424
Diebs
4
Frags
+

Navi roster

#426
WinterZ20
5
Frags
+

Removed starxo; Added, ANGE1, Boo

#429
bronzil_enjoyer
1
Frags
+

botgetsu
botssi

#430
KanyeAsada
2
Frags
+

add botgetsu and botNed

#435
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

bet

#431
Ic1
2
Frags
+

who tf made this list up
this is so disrespectful and several of these players are carrying rather than playing bad

#434
nihso
0
Frags
+

Ange1 needs to be there tho🗿

#438
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

oh really

who on this list is actively carrying their team? This list is just community suggestions and if you think that anyone shouldn’t be on the list just tell me

#451
Ic1
0
Frags
+

< community suggestions
more like retards suggestions. You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is. They can go 0/20 on a duelist and still be good for the team, but I don't think you realize that, do you?
< shouldn’t be on the list
List shouldn't exist at all, I'll list players that imo play rather very good than bad
soulcas
Destrian
NagZ
Sushiboys
eKo
Stellar
GodDead
Ange1
Boo
cNed

#454
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is.

#237

I believe we are in a point of the game’s history where it simply is not enough for Initator, Controller, and Sentinel players to just provide good util. They also need to show at least somewhat decent numbers consistently otherwise it will impact their teams performance negatively and I dont think its fair at all to call people retards for pointing out that these guys do not meet that criteria.

As for the IGLs that are in the list they are there due to poor team results or shit strats and compositions

hope this helps

#455
Ic1
0
Frags
+

That metric is made-up bullshit. If a players is still on the team, that means that all other players and coaches are satisfyed with their performance. Also show me a pro player (better several) who'd say that asc aim, good util, good coms and good mood isn't enough.
Poor team results have almost nothing to do with quality of players. Strats or compositions can be bad against some tactics and good against others.
Hope this helps

#456
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

That metric is made-up bullshit.

Agree to disagree

Also I highly doubt that any franchise team would pick up or keep someone with Ascendant level aim or Ascendant level numbers, the gap between ascendant and pro players is astronomical.

Ntm that some of these players are already in the process of being phased out of their rosters so your point abt coaches being satisfied is invalid for some. A lot of these guys will be removed during the upcoming transfer window.

#432
teilwal
0
Frags
+

remove TENNN?

#433
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

yeah bet

#437
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Removed TENNN; Added SUYGETSU, cNed

#439
nihso
0
Frags
+

add shao while your at it🗿

#440
UnrivaleD
1
Frags
+

dont you think you went far with suygetsu n like you know he's also the dude used to be called fpx suygetsu? navi suygetsu isnt that bad either

#443
WinterZ20
3
Frags
+

act ykw I do, shouldn’t’ve added him on an off game and imma remove him rn

#447
UnrivaleD
0
Frags
+

🤝

#441
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Also, belated do we remove soulcas from the list after his Masters performance?

#442
nihso
4
Frags
+

nah keep him there

#445
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Removed SUYGETSU

#448
nihso
-4
Frags
+

pls add shao 🗿

#453
FDWC-
-1
Frags
+

mad cuz he fuck ur sister

#458
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

what did Shao do to you my man?

#449
streamcentral
-1
Frags
+

TenZ DogZ shit overrated

#450
333triplethreat
0
Frags
+

Ngl cut Taco some slack, ik hes not doing gud but when he pops off, he pops off. I feel like it means he is like a mid jett since they cancel each other out.
after all u cant be top 3 without all of your team doing well.
Taco tryhard mode=LEV win

#452
Miting
3
Frags
+

I agree, this list shouldn't exist or at least it should be renamed as: "I don't like how these players are playing"

#461
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Do we add fl1pzjder?

#462
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

why would you add cned here? he is being forced to play omen, neon, raze and sage

#464
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

lack of flexibility that ultimately led to NaVi's downfall in hindsight

#468
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

not his fault, navi hired a one trick jett

#469
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

being a one trick = fraud imo

#482
streamcentral
0
Frags
+

If that's the case then add TenZ dog shit overrated

#463
Xlares
0
Frags
+

Add fl1pz broooo

#465
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

#462

bet

#466
notprxfan
0
Frags
+

crow not that bad bro, should’ve add fl1pzider instead

#467
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Added fl1pzjder

#473
n1cf
0
Frags
+

y'all dont know valorant

#474
titanwithpp
0
Frags
+

Can you raise Botssi's name at the top and also bold it? MF needs to learn how shit he played

#478
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Do we remove cNed and add koldamenta in his place?

#479
Derpp
0
Frags
+

GOLDAMENTA

#481
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

gold is a bit generous dont u think?

#480
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

No way you put cNed after going 28-15 and did not put bottamenta 💀💀💀 you are an actual fraud

#483
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

I had cNed there from before he popped off and before intamenta took over

its changed now

#486
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Oh ok fair, but adding cNed after a bad performance seems to be too much reactionary. You still haven't put Avova, m1xwell, boo etc. Do you really think cNed is worse than them? Because he has never been. Not 1 minute of his life

#488
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Boo is on here now and theres no shot I havent added midvova on here at least once i 100% need to get the communities opinion on that

#492
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Let's get it then

#484
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

Removed cNed; Added koldamenta

#485
eldaniiz
0
Frags
+

I don't agree with Taco. He's really best jett player in NA

#495
jkjkjk
1
Frags
+

This must be a joke.

#497
eldaniiz
0
Frags
+

*one of the best

#487
keener1600
0
Frags
+

bro took wolfen off the list and thought we wouldnt notice

#489
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

nah he played well this LCQ tbf he can stay off list for now

#491
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

Wolfen was great in LCQ won't even lie

#490
frappzlul
0
Frags
+

crow ?!

#493
Madapunda69
-2
Frags
+

This clown put suygetsu on this list 🤡

#501
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

yeah cuz some people wanted him there

he was taken off within 20 minutes of being there fam

#494
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

btw js a lil sidenote do we add AvovA on here as well?

#498
The_Cleg
0
Frags
+

YESS. Him and mixwell

#496
Thriceistoocold
0
Frags
+

Where surf?

#500
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

in the kitchen of a restaurant

#499
Clayy
1
Frags
+

remove fl1pzjder bro https://twitter.com/THESPIKEGG/status/1684116872575217664?t=wb-Z7CyCj4G8NXAr1sjt-A&s=19

#502
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

pls answer #495

#504
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

do we add tuyz?

Fuck it imma add him anyways hes so ass at controller

#505
WinterZ20
1
Frags
+

Added tuyz

#506
Overlay
1
Frags
+

remove ange1

#507
WinterZ20
0
Frags
+

now that champs has finished, who are the final frauds of the 2023 season?

#508
Just_some_loser
-2
Frags
+

something (chokes when it matters the most)

#509
WinterZ
0
Frags
+

Removed NagZ and murizzz, the frauds are starting to get cut its finally happening

#510
nutab1e
0
Frags
+

take tuyz off and add shitpii 👍

#511
AekaMino
0
Frags
+

jamppi good
you mad

#512
nutab1e
0
Frags
+

bottom 10 at champs
cry

#513
wykes
0
Frags
+

tuyz aint a fraud tho, he is the worst player on LOUD but still very solid for a controller

#514
keener1600
0
Frags
+

no wolfen but tuyz here

#515
HackNaija
0
Frags
+

tuyz clears wolfen

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