I thought Kpzet did ngl guess I'm dumb

should've been Lewis

Kingg underrated answer

100T: The OG PUBG+Hiko wasn't even top 12 NA
C9: Pre Vanity but Post Xeppaa team didn't even make it out of quals, same with the post TenZ Xeta on jett team, or the pre Xeta First Trike team. Atleast this Curry roster had a few wins in T1 play.
FNC: The Tsack Moe40 roster couldn't even make main events in S1, even though the H1ber thing was unfortunate it was only for two games and they were on a LAN, the Tsack Moe40 iteration lost to Ballista and Wave lol

This screams started watching in 2022

He was above average on LAN(probably helped he had 2 of the best players ever on his team) and was really bad in qualifiers. It made sense when he got dropped and not picked up by a franchised team

Bones clears

They're expecting way too much from a guy with no Tier 1.5+ experience in his career. Definitely not ready to give up on him but he has to learn and play so many agents with this squad because of their odd role structure. I think it could be better if they add in a guy like Vanity or Hazed and let V1C flourish on what role HE wants to play

• Vanity for Dazzle to start, Dazzle has stagnated and started declining and their playcalling looks really bad.
• Move Mada to a more supportive role or move on from him, he's struggled as an entry since that one good game against Sen about 10 months ago. Let V1C play flash initiator(his best role), Vanity on smokes, and Mada on sova. Basically turn their roles similar to how TGRD does it. His Raze has high highs, but a lot of low lows, and putting him back on sova could help him a lot with only a few or one map on Raze.
• Build around Bdog and Moose no matter what. Even if neither of the two changes above happen, these two are their best players and most likely to become T1 talent. If they do move on from Mada and look towards a new sova, I'd like to see someone like Paincakes, Critical, or try to poach Trick from MAD.
• Coaching staff needs some overhaul, like I said their strats seemed off and have been decreasing as a team since S1 last season. Part of that is the players, but a lot of that comes from the deep down structure. I think Mac seems like a great guy so I don't want to harp on him, but I'm not sure him and Dazzle is the combo anymore.

If we're talking abt NA then it's likely one of M80 or TGRD wins and the other gets completely poached out. No matter what at least like 7/10 players on those teams should be in franchising and with players getting replaced after 2023 it's most likely those guys and a few other stand outs make their way into T1.

ok.

TBF 3 teams longterm controller player spot is up in the air in NA(all for very different reasons) so in 2024 or late '23 there's a spot that randomly comes open he's probably the most likely to get scooped up

560 to many?

Trent
Valyn
---------
M80
--------
Rest of TGRD
----------
Bdog/Skuba/Moose/Nature/Poised
Small sample size but Kanpeki and Tigg look amazing ATM

Whatever 5 doesn't qualify next year are for sure most likely to move up and replace some of the weaker NA franchised players

FaZe Bjor?

I never said any of the 3 is better than the others, but DSG and TSM are literally dead even in a match rn on Riku's first game. I think they're very evenly matched but adding the best available KJ in the T2 scene rn instead of Seven whose been their worst performer for a while would be the upgrade they need to get out of the group. It is funny tho that Faze also has a a similar problem at their sentinel role where Dicey looks very uncomfortable on it.

I'd rate M80 TGRD and G2 ahead of them with Faze and DSG on the same tier. You're right I probably should've just said solidly third as I do think M80 and TGRD are just too good but that team is still better without seven and with bjor

-Seven
+Bjor

God squad if the IGLing stays hot and Kanpeki keeps playing like a star

Wouldn't even be an awful for shout for C9, tho I doubt he has been trialing. If C9 wants an experienced, unsigned player, he probably has more experience than most of their options in T1 level of play. Problem is he's very far from having played at a REALLY high level, but worst case scenario he's a sentinel player that can flex to recon initiator and smokes

Dicey on sentinel agents lol

Best performers at the moment seem to be
Skuba
Bdog
Moose
Poised
Nature
at their own positions but there's also guys who have historically been amazing like Babybay and Dapr and new guys to their team like Kanpeki and Tigg

Most valuable player ITW at 3 dollars LMFAO

It's not even close from the third to 4th best sentinel players. Alfajer Leaf and Shyy all looked really good this tournament but they're all young and haven't traditionally been sentinel players at the highest level. One of them will for sure break into that tier by the end of '23 but right now 1-3, 3-6 seem very solid.

TL on paper, Vitality based on placement, KOI based on ceiling and how good their worst players can perform. I know FUT looked strong against 100T but I'm just not a believer.

https://www.vlr.gg/51268/acend-vs-envy-valorant-champions-winners-a

This is literally him fragging => than cned on jett versus Acend when Starxo was still their and Acend was at their peak. Even when Envy/Optic were at their lowest and Acend were at their highest he was still fragging exceptionally well on Jett.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021?exclude=8276.8277.8278&min_rounds=90&agent=jett This is just from the group stage when Envy was ass and he was still top 2 on Jett stats for those that played substantial amounts of the character.

Jawgemo>Xand for a roster like this

no way you just unironically said that LMFAO

Only Turkish IGL to take his team to a LAN before Franchising
IGLed Heretics to be the best team in EU for 4 months at the end of 20/start of 21.
Got dropped from SMB, went to BBL and took them to their best placing in ages
Gets dropped still, not offered spot as an IGL in franchising despite being the only successful Turkish IGL ever
Doesn't get picked up by one of the top 3 orgs, signs with underdog roster S2G
Takes a less individually talented team to the finals of TR with a chance at first place in TR.
All of this while playing 5 agents and fragging better than most IGLs

Should've been an IGL for one of the 2 TR teams and consistently elevates teams he's on to their highest level. There's not been a single team he's been on that he hasn't made them better than before, and it's crazy that he still doesn't get any love.

Yay to KOI rockets them up to top 3 IMO. With Liquid looking awful and there not being a third team from EMEA in the top 8, KOI with Yay instead of Wolfen/Starxo would be favorites for third place.

I can't wait for Foxy9 to join this team and add some much-needed fragging ability. Compared to the other top 4 teams, DRX's fragging is a lot worse, and putting Buzz on sentinels and benching one of Rb or Zest will help them a ton. Long term I think their core should be

Zest/Termi/Glow coaching staff
Stax IGL
Mak0 controller
Buzz sentinel
Foxy9 duelist
Xeta/Ts/Lakia info initiator
Rb 6th man or cut

Saadhak
FNS
Boaster
Ange1
Stax
Kingg
Stellar

Are a very defined top 7 IMO(maybe take out stellar but he's been consistently good since NA LCQ started)
After that its a big jumble of Dephh, Redgar, Bonecold, Benkai, crws(i believe he's their igl) and Vanity(tho he is now dropped so that's tough lol)

What has hazed done that is better than Dephh? Literally any strength you could say Hazed has Dephh has proven to be better at.

Wow his wife called out the player who behind the scenes ended up being psycho, lets blame it on his IGLing against the best time ITW

dephh became the most hated person after one game this site is crazy

U right it's gotta be Nillyaz and Tigg

If it's not Trent and Valyn its cursed

that is the entire point of the post did u even read the first sentence?

Historically I mean, not saying this second. Dapr's peak and long term success was better than Avova

That's the only reason I can come up with, especially since it's similar in NA with sentinels. But even Dapr has looked far ahead of what Avova is on controller characters. You'd think a team with redgar or bonecold playing sova would find a crazy smokes player but it hasn't happened yet

Aren't even controller players
Shao, Nats, Chronicle are the only ones who would be elite on that role. Why does EU have no good controllers? Boaster and I guess Avova are the best OAT, but that isn't saying that much seeing as neither are even close to Mako, Marved, Pancada, etc who are all better.

Plus a full LAN of experience for Cauanzin and especially Tuyz will do them wonders. Change up the fracture comp(or just fully take saadhak off raze) and the team is still golden.

Ya that's valid, but either way Daveeys is gonna need to learn how to play a new role at the high level, and I think he could be completely fine on KJ

It's mostly because the best IGLs play sentinel so they push fraggers out of that role and onto other things. IMO Leaf has a chance to be an elite sentinel player(tho it looks like he'll go back to duelist). Wippie, Mitch, Moose, Dapr, Xxif and NeT are all pretty elite on the role, just are stuck in T2 because NA teams had less slots and prioritize the IGL role at sentinel while EU prioritizes it at controller(also why EU has no good controller players in comparison to NA). Stellar and Johnqt are the only two that frag a lot atm, which is why I'm confident John will end up being one of the IGLs that move into T1 first. Nillyaz, Zexrow, and Brax are next up of the unsigned/pure T2 players at the role and they still have potential to have a guy like Leaf turn into a true world class sentinel, but rn I think they have way too few spots to compare to Suygetsu, Nats, and alfajer and the rest of EU.

Honestly I'd rather drop Nagz than Axeddy but if they bring back Klaus then
Keznit duelist/init
Daveeys duelist/sentinel
Klaus sova/IGL
Melser smokes
Xand full flex

Would be a much better lineup than what they first brought out, Klaus still is a below avg IGL and fragger but Keznit is a legit star, Xand and Melser are proven good LAN players, and Daveeys has higher potential than anyone not named Keznit on this roster.

Question is who is the fourth worst? I feel like those two an D3ffo are for sure seen as the worst three, but would would you say is number 4? I'm not going to say an IGL since they won a LAN at the time, but I do think Starxo is there at number 4 but definitely in a tier above.

They were very very good against bad teams and were on the level but just not good enough to beat the best 3 teams and get to a LAN. They had inflated stats because they played a lot of games against worse teams and succeeded, but in important games they looked a lot worse.

It was for sure fair to be skeptical of him but at this point he's improved so much and it's great to see

If they really want to grab a player with no buyout the only good options IMO are
Will
Wedid
Add3r
Nerve
Tigg
Roza
Brax
One of the players from OR
or a veteran like Hazed/Effys/or Zombs(the latter because of LAN experience). Anything else would be a comically bad decision in my eyes(I've seen ppl discuss purer or wardell which would be awful IMO) unless there's a real standout player I'm forgetting.

Its crazy to say that his agent pool this year is anywhere from 8-12 characters.

Obviously he'll play these 5, then we know for sure he can play sova brim at a high level, he will be the teams skye player, and based on what happens for metas on certain maps he could play omen, chamber, kj or reyna for this team as their first or second choice on each of these agents.

Yay and Saadhak are the only people in my eyes that are in the discussion, part of being the goat is longevity and they are the only players that have been elite over multiple meta's and have been great at every tourney they've been in(apart from one-2 saadhak ones from vikings and the only bad Loud tourney)