Sheydos gotta move up a tier
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you'd think LOUD of all teams would be the exception. QCK predates Less and Pancada in the comp scene, he went to a LAN in 2021. He's never been good since then and suddenly, when competition is better 1-10 than it has ever been, you think he's going to turn it around?
Worst built roster in the offseason doesn't perform well in the regular season once again, who would've thought!!
he had played 5 total matches, never even at a high T2 level, on sentinels before this year. He, alongside Supamen and sort of Jawg, are primary smokes players. His fit is rough
can't lie I feel bad for Melser but the writing on the wall is that MTA will eventually replace him. He's not igling anymore and isn't that great of a fragger, and the team obviously knows their ceiling is higher with the more cracked, younger player.
Ya pretty much if you're talking about who is THE BEST.
Who was the best NBA team last year, the Bucks who were the number 1 regular season team or the Nuggets who were the number 4 regular season team but dominated to win the championship?
biggest snooze fest in all of Americas
Team A:
1st place, 7th place, 9th place
Team B:
didn't qualify, 1st place, 2nd place
Team C:
didn't qualify, 5th place, 1st place
Blind resume wise what is the strongest? I personally value getting 2nd and not qualifying over getting 7th and 9th but qualifying to both
Apoth just doesn't fit, they already have 2 capable (and better) smokes players. Sign some star unknown stud, move Jawg to a new role like last year, and Derrek, Nature and Supa isn't far off on paper from Boostio Ethan and c0m (going into the year obviously not now). I wouldn't put it past Potter
would that not be literally perfect? Cryo Victor Crashies Bang Boostio is undeniably a stronger roster and 100T can buy a duo like that. Not saying there's a high chance but if there's a 1 in 3 chance they can do that the team would look very solid.
Raze is just way too important of a character to have him not perform on it AND have trouble with flexibility. What character do you trust him on these days? Kay/o maybe? Everyone else on 100T has an agent better than him. People will say Nismo doesn't have the best agent pool, but he's better on raze and is more flexible. They should've gotten him, but I still like the idea of at least giving a chance to Mada,Corey or Sym for the rest of the year if its still this bad midway through. Either way top of their list next offseason has to be a Nismo, Victor and Jawg to pair with Cryo.
Sen's pool is already so good, but the obvious two bad ones are Breeze and Ascent. Breeze may just be a perma ban from here on out, but Ascent is definitely fixable. I think adapting the PRX Ascent comp could actually be a sneaky way of turning a weakness into a strength because of how good SEN players are on specific agents.
The PRX comp went 3-2 with Monyet and features: Raze, Fade, Gekko, Omen and Viper
Here's why it can be so good.
TenZ can stay on Omen, his current best agent.
Zekken goes from Jett to Raze, an agent he is likely the best in the world at and is far more comfortable
SEN can put either John or Zellsis on Viper, their best agents and, in general, SEN is probably the best team ITW at utilizing viper (similar to FNC of last year)
The last spot can go a few ways
Sacy can play Fade or Gekko; IMO his fade is his best agent, so putting him on it makes the most sense to me
The biggest question mark with this idea is who plays Gekko, as both John and Zellsis aren't Gekko players. If they can, however, learn it in their next few weeks of practice, it could be a valuable agent for Zellsis to add to his kit.
The final comp is:
Zekken Raze
Zellsis Gekko
Sacy Fade
Tenz Omen
John Viper
If they play in a more up-tempo pace on this map, they could dominate with their already strong retake ability
We're really gonna act like Enzo didn't go 24-2 in T2 last year? Act like Mistic didn't average over a 1.2 rating over the whole year? What more do they need to prove in T2 to deserve another T1 shot? They literally were the most successful players that weren't on the team that got ascended. It is very rare that a team can just pickup 4 young players and an unproven IGL and it works. For every Kcorp there's a TS, a KRU, an MIBR. You can't expect a team to be good because other teams were outliers. They didn't have the chance to pickup Leo and Chronicle, but they pretty much did as well as they could given their situation, minus the Sayf decision.
Keiko was the best duelist they could've gotten
Jamppi and Nats were by far their best two players last year that weren't Sayf(again that was botched)
Enzo was the best IGL in T2
Mistic was the highest rated controller player in all of EMEA, and historically how many controller players are better than Mistic?
No one expects them to win a LAN with this team, and its unrealistic to expect that. But if 3/5 of these guys look like true building blocks, why can't they be a true competitor as soon as early 2025? Let's say Keiko, Enzo and Nats are all still great players and they have to replace Jamppi and Mistic. If any of the NAVI or FNC boys becomes a free agent they would be the top destination, same with someone like Trexx, Cloud, N4rrate, Kicks, Riens etc. Add one of those guys, a young T2 player and is that any different than how FNC did it? Not really.
The way to build rosters, in any sport, is to start with a strong supporting staff and find individual players that work. They've finally STARTED that side of it. They've been stuck on a poor roster construction since 2022 Champs when L1nk got dropped. Even if you don't love eMil, they've gotten a full staff and have gotten rid of most of the old guard. From there, you go the full season and see what works. Keiko already looks like a smash pickup, I still have confidence in nats and enzo. If they don't win this year, they can drop 1-2 dead weight pieces and dip their finger into either T2, or get a splash pickup on the lines of a dropped NAVI or FNC player. IDK why you're complaining now when this is the first time in over a year that it seems like they have the right plan.
Well I guess Will is playing lol, IG replace him in here with Subroza lol
FNS
s0m
jakee(not fully sure what's going on with this but sounds like Runi and Moose are replacing he and Wippie)
NeT (speculation)
Shahzam
Wippie
Babybay
bjor my king
Retired from T1 last year:
Dephh
Ayrin
Notable names from 2022:
Will
Dicey
Tigg
Dazzle
Hazed
What's the best team you can make out of these names, and why are so many not playing? Most of these are pretty self explanatory (dropped or personal choices) but I don't understand what's going on with Shahzam. He's obviously a top 18 IGL in NA, surprised he didn't find anywhere to play and stuck with G2 instead.
Something should be raze for sure, but realistically if he isn't comfortable on it they should just drop Monyet and grab a T2 raze with flexibility to play a different agent on Breeze, Ascent and Icebox, preferably Kay/O or Sova. I would look into Indo or Phillipines T2 for that. Famouz is the obvious choice in my mind, has been a top T2 duelist for nearly 2 years and has had action on Kay/o and Sova. In the Philippines, Patmen is fragging on both Raze and Kay/o for one of the best teams in the league, while KellyS is another veteran who is maybe the best raze flex in APAC T2 atm (1.28 rating, 184 ADR). All 3 of these guys allow you to actually play Kay/o or Sova (the 2 worst agents in the PRX agent pool) and giving something the ability to really only have to worry about Jett.
Nukkye would thrive on a Yoru team. Can play the sentinel role to a pretty good degree but on maps like Bind and Split you can run double duelist and have him fry on Raze. Depending on how you work your map picks and map pool he could be playing raze 50% of the time. He can still play KJ and likely Sova at a high level, just have to find a way to integrate that into a team(like I said, Yoru player as well as a controller/viper that can play Cypher). I actually think he would be really good on KOI instead of Shadow, help ease Kamo into his role as a star duelist, play Sova when needed and work with Grubinho and Sheydos on maps that need a cypher player.
With the news of c0m likely heading to LEV, EG likely is down to just Jawgemo from the champs roster. Jaw definitely has a chance to get picked up elsewhere now IMO, but it's hard to tell where. Either way, there is some direction this team can go to not be a total failure in NA! And still possibly be better than MIBR and compete with teams like Furia, KRU and C9.
IGL Potential:
Screwface: Highest likelihood, still rostered by the team and was their backup IGL for ages. Most likely case and would probably flex with initators and sentinels(look at his recent matches)
Upsides: Knows the team, familiar with the system and pretty cracked aimer
Downsides: No T1 experience
Runi:
Upsides: 10-5 record as IGL for C9 in T1 last year, has a wide array of champs he can play
Downsides: Seen as less of a leader and midrounder than your average IGL
Stellar:
Got off a stint with 100T that went so, so. Has been in T1 for a while and is mechanically really solid.
Poised and Shahzam:
Similar upsides, veterans in the community with Shaz having hit super high heights. Both fairly good agent pools(Shaz is a lot worse IMO) and can lead a team
Downsides: Likely capped ceilings, both have taken a step back mechanically
Duelist Potential:
Jawgemo: Best case scenario is he stays and they move him to full time duelist, it suits him better anyway.
Sym:
Upsides: super high potential, mega cracked duelist with a pretty big agent pool
Downsides: Extremely inconsistent with less experience, often looked like a weak link on MXS
Penny:
Super good on V1 a while ago and was always a really smart player
Hasn't played duelist in over a year, however
Corey/Babybay:
Similar players, just one excells more as Jett while the other as Raze. We mostly know what they are, High Tier 2 duelists with long term skill but never major success
Initiator Options:
Derrek:
Still a great sova and breach, has been a T1 player for 2+ years now
Really struggled on skye and with flexibility
Nature:
Super super good on TSM but plays more of a flex role, less experience on Skye
Tigg: Pretty average player but has T1 experience and extremely flexible
Controller:
Jawgemo: Could switch to it full time
Wedid: Great with TTR and a guy whose deserved an org for a while
gMd: has been an average player for a while with a ton of experience and has secondary IGLing capabilities
Sentinel:
Aproto: Amazing player for MXS and likely deserved T1 play anyway, smash pickup
Moose: Very similar to Aproto, picking up both and putting one on smokes is also a good option
Flex:
Kanpeki: Really the only NA FA that works in this role and I rate him really highly. Genuinly fantastic on flash iniators.
My preferred lineup:
Jawgemo: Duelist
Kanpeki: Flex
Derrek: Initiator
Aproto: Smokes
Stellar: Sent IGL
Aproto can definitely move to smokes comfortably and that team is still very solid and isn't that much different than what C9 put together. I think it's not great, but its something and these guys get another year to prove that they are T1 level for 2025.
Again my whole points were about the teams ceilings. I don't think 100T is going to win a championship, but whose ceiling is higher? The one whos igl just won a LAN and has Cryo, Asuna type players or a team like T1 starting Rossy and iZu? And the NZR disrespect is crazy, if you change NZR's name to cloud you'd be calling it one of the best teams in the world, and he and NZR are the same type of player. Super good initator for a long time that hasn't played anywhere that is elite. There's no denying that LEV's ceiling is higher than that of any non-PRX apac team, and I still think their realistic floor (25% of strength on the bell curve) is higher than most teams as well. The whole point is comparing the strength between the two regions and my whole point is that NA has soooo many more teams with championship potential and looking at any APAC team outside of PRX and saying they would be betting favorites to win the Americas league would be disingenuous.
I still think you have to look at the ceiling of each region and see that LEV has the closest team we have to a super team that isn't FNC rn. We can run in circles about how teams will place next year, but NA has a really high ceiling with 4 teams. LEV looks like a super team, the CEILING(very important word here) of SEN and NRG's rumored roster is insanely high. Loud still has a top 3 IGL ITW, no matter the roster Saadhak is taking them to LANs. Then you add on G2 being the best ascended team and 100T adding their first good IGL since they were a top 8 team ITW and we have really high ceilings. I see UP TO(UP TO) 6/11 teams that have super high ceilings with championship level players. I see MAYBE 2 of those in APAC. I do think some teams in Americas will struggle, EG will obviously tank, Loud probably isn't as good, MIBR KRU are both bad and C9 and Furia probably aren't championship teams, but are they any different than T1? The consensus 3rd best team in APAC? If I had to place 8 bets right now on what 8 teams from these 2 regions I think would win Champions, 6 of my 8 would be from Americas. I'm betting on Aspas, Saadhak, Sen's ceiling, the ENRG mix, G2's cohesion and Boostio over T1 or Bleed type teams. I don't think that is a crazy statement either. IMO America has the most depth of contending and ceilings, and obviously some will crash or burn, but wouldn't you rather have the team with the ceiling to be elite? 6 of these teams will have LAN winners on them, with proven ceilings, 0 APAC teams have LAN winners.
As much as this is a shit post you're not exactly...wrong I guess? Let's look at the facts of these teams
Worst Lan performance of any region: Their best team was never as good as EG or FNC, and DRX had a pretty meh year. Loud was better, EDG was better and at individual times they were behind NRG and TL. The third best team in T1 never made it past groups, and their LCQ team was a disaster. It's pretty obvious they were a step behind in 2023. Now in 2024.
PRX: just lost their best player, still will be very good but Jingg had absurd impact that will be very obvious when we watch them starting out
DRX: Are entering a (much needed) rebuild, will likely be a touch weaker this year
T1, GE, TLN, BLD are all grabbing imports instead of T2 talent
Zeta GenG RRQ all made upgrades, but they still lack star players that many NA or EMEA teams have
And TS and DFM are set to be mediocre again
There's so little excitement in this region outside of maybe Zeta and Bleed. Most teams imported from elsewhere, and the best teams look objectively weaker in the short term.
The best rated T2 players like YESicaN, Juicy, exy, Kr1stal, Kadoom, Famouz and stew were not allowed to play/not signed for one reason or the other. Instead their teams went for T2 NA and EU players. Seems like a bit of a waste year in the region when teams like FNC, EDG, NRG, SEN, LEV and Navi all look like they're getting stronger and stronger.
Rb still being the most overrated player in the world when he's been mediocre in internationals for 3 years is baffling. I know rating isn't everything, but in playoffs of his last lan's:
2023 Champs: Bottom 5, .77 rating. No player on a top 6 team was lower
2023 Tokyo: Not as bad, but still a rating under 1(.97) but wasn't the problem for DRX in their worst performance of the last two years
Top 8 games in Lock In: .94 rating, 2nd worst non IGL in the top 4
2022 Champs: DRX came TOP 3 and his rating was .87, only top 6 team players rated lower was Ange1 and Zekken
2022 Copenhagen: Bottom 5 with a .82 rating, his company was dephh ayrin seider and russ, only one of those guys is in T1 next year(and Russ sucks)
2022 Iceland: 2ND WORST RATING, .76 rating. No one else on DRX was under 1
His best rating in a playoff setting was .97, that has been his peak when playing against high levels of competition. He averaged a .86 rating in these 6 tournaments. We all know he's in the top half of talent in APAC and that he can beat the talons and gengs of the world, but the reason DRX doesn't get over the hump is because after Mak0 and Buzz they don't have a single individual that is a game changer. He was doing more harm than good in these tournaments.
He is one of the best 30 players in NA and would have a spot on one of the six teams if he didn't go to SEN for stability reasons. I don't think he's one for one better than Pancada but he had a better 2023 and he's pretty clearly one of the better players at KJ Kayo and Breach in all of NA.
Duelist: Babybay
Flex IGL: Shahzam
Initiator: Derrek
Smokes: Supamen
Sentinel: Aproto
This team ain't winning ascension but would be crazy entertaining, basically the most accomplished/experienced players at every role.
I know Shaz isn't really a flex(he should switch roles in the future IMO) but needed both he and Derrek in the team. If you wanted it to be better you could do Poised/Ayrin/Stellar at sentinel and any of Corey/Penny/Tigg (fuck it bring Sick back) at the flex instead.
I mean he's far and away the best Jett Oper and is still very proficient on both fragging and entrying. His champs was weak but in Tokyo he was the best entry player on Jett in the world.
EG v Loud Jett stats at LAN
EG has won 2/3 with a 5 round advantage, EG went 2-0 in those matches
Highest Jett rating in a matchup: Demon1 1.37 Ascent in Tokyo, 1.33 Ascent in Champs
Lowest Jett rating in a matchup: Aspas .64 Ascent in Tokyo
Head to Head duel performance: Demon1 +3
Rating Difference: 1.28 Demon1 to 1.07 for Aspas
Demon1 owns Aspas on LAN and has been the superior Jett since Americas league playoffs started in late May.
Was inspired by the Raze post earlier, I will list a ranking but in general the top 5 is interchangeable.
H.M Sayf and something would be here if we had more sample size, I base pretty much all of my rankings on how good they did at LAN's, and they each missed one and then played good not great in the next. something's Jett against EG was a tier below all of these guys, and Sayf really only had Tokyo to prove himself on Jett. They both destroyed in their regular seasons, though, and are still amazing players. Derke also isn't in this for similar reasons.
I also think if we are rounding this into a top 10 keznit and Fit1nho have to be here. They had elite showings in LCQ on Jett(raze as well) and went to LAN and made some really good plays. Fit1nho was solid when they played EDG in champs when going against KangKang, keznit was 1v9 against PRX on Jett, and they both had a banger when they played on Pearl against each other. I think my top ten is just adding these 5 honorable mentions.
So i've seen this point a lot and not to be a stat Andy but how is that the case? I admit he passes the smoothness eye test, but we're talking about Top 5 in the world. I think the top 5 all equally look smart and smooth on the character, but it's more about how they perform no? At Champs 2022 he was the 7th/10th rated Raze, He had a 5th place ACS and ADR but his K:D and entry success rate where near the bottom. He was good and flashy but not efficient, not to mention his Bind performance against FPX. Then we get into 2023 and even if we ignore lock in he was tied for 4th just in Americas in Rating, behind guys like Victor Asuna and Jaw. That's not to mention the 9 players rated higher in the other two regions. Again it was an efficiency thing. Even if you blame it on the ineptitude of SEN, we can go to LCQ and the story is the same. Keznit way outperformed him overall, and in a win or game home game against LEV he has an abysmal Fracture. Trexx in EMEA was also a step ahead, not just Keznit. So he has always been good, but when has he been top 5 IN THE WORLD? I watch all his games, I root for SEN, so I'm not just giving you blank stats with no context. In 2023 he was behind Trexx, Keznit, Jaw, Jingg, Whyz, Victor, Aspas, Derke, and quite a few more, and in 2022 Champs he wasn't the best, maybe you could sneak him into top 5. I like him a lot, but this is the year where he has to PROVE he is top 5, not just be on lists because he's cracked and well liked. Because so far, especially in win or go home games, he is not even close to that level.
in no order
Derke
Jawgemo
Whzy
Victor
Aspas
Trexx and Keznit are as well in the convo but there teams arent great
The only good team in EU last year started out as Sage Ult My Nan, super serious!
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That has to be the answer. No matter how the cookie crumbles there's only Jawgemo Leaf and Demon1 left to play duelist for the three teams. Unless somehow Scream or another random import comes in those three will likely occupy those last 3 teams. There's no way one of those three runs out with a corey, babybay or sym.
Caveats: Minimum 200 rounds vs 1600 rating +, excluding GC
Who sticks out? Who do you think is next up? Who's the next unsigned player to get a new team?
How many IGLs would you have taken over Valyn coming into 2023? FNS? Dephh? There's no one else you can argue
How many sova players would you have taken over Trent? Crashies? Maybe BcJ? Again that's still top 3. And them being the same core is the exact reason why it means something. We have literally seen this team be at the top of NA. That's the whole point. They aren't some randoms, this is a core that has been together for 2 years and has been as successful as you can ask.
Keznit Shyy and Melser IGL is a fantastic core, I think a lot of it comes down to MTA on the non duelist role, whether it's main skye/sova/fade or as the second controller.
It's not like this is Gentle Mates. This exact core was the second to third best team in NA the year before. They've swapped duelists twice and been on top both times. Now they're bringing in an even better duelist. We know they can compete at the T1 level, this isn't some random championship run. Valyn and Trent were rated as top 3 in their role heading into 2023. Jawgemo is a world champion who, in most peoples eyes, is the current best Raze player in the world(Victor, Derke do have an argument in my opinion but are still below Jawg). With these guys I don't see how you can rate them anywhere below Sentinels. They should be in everyone's top 4 preseason.
Isn't the unkown quantity the only one who hasn't made major team changes?
No offense to the guy but there's never been one player whos shown so little yet been hyped up so far. I'm fine with people liking his chances to qualify and play in ascension but cmon. It reminds me so much of the Rara stuff from 2020-21. He hasn't even played in a VCT tournament. I don't think he's even played against a T1 team since First Strike. Like ya he's cool, he hits the headshots, he's flashy, but he's never even played in a game that mattered in three years. At least with Demon1 he was new to the scene and his T2 team was winning multiple tourneys with him outplaying many players. These are two very different scenarios. At least let the guy qualify for ascension first.
T1 last year:
s0m, FNS, Runi,Ayrin, ban(rest of the players are either rumored to be signed or signed but not playing games)
Signed T2 last year:
Aproto, Sym,
pwny
mummay, supamen, tigg
shahzam, penny
fiziq
Blackheart, Trick
Exalt
Unsigned but Notable
Hazed, Dicey, Will, Steel, Zexrow, PureVNS, Okeanos, curry, subroza
Any predictions on orgs or teams that could be formed?
I personally would love to see s0m and FNS team up with Penny, Exalt and someone like Tigg. I also am very interested to see where guys like Ayrin, Runi, Ban, Sym and Aproto go as they all were franchise level last year(that could just be a team right there).
Ascent: Sacy, Champs final vs Optic MVP of that match IMO
Bind: Tenz, S2 2021 final vs Fnatic Best Reyna game ever
Breeze: Leaf, 2021 Champs vs Full Sense not much to pick from but he popper
Fracture: Yay, Champs vs Loud group stage Peak Yay performance
Haven: Buzz, 2021 berlin v Acend diffing cNed
Icebox: Derke, S2 2021 vs V1 could have picked many
Lotus: Kang Kang, Tokyo vs Liquid solo win
Pearl: Aspas, Champs semi final vs Paper Rex hard carry
Split: Leo, Copenhagen vs Optic upset
Sunset: Smoggy I guess lol
I don't think they care about being 100T when their regular season was over. It was cool but the best they looked was beating NRG. It put them at 2-1 with the loss being 1-2 against Loud. There was genuine hope back then and JZZ was looking like the next Cauanzin. Then they lost and got killed by LEV the next week and the season was basically over.
my dumbass pressed enter before I was done so had to make an edit lol
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