Let's all create a list of all the players in franchising that don't deserve to be there. I will be taking suggestions from the comments provided they are not bait.
The list so far is...
Seoldam
crow
soulcas
Destrian
xms
LightningFast
Sushiboys
keloqz
xnfri
eKo
takeJ
SkRossi
Derrek
stellar
Reita
Tacolilla
GodDead
ANGE1
Boo
koldamenta
fl1pzjder
tuyz
I personally don't agree with that. He is playing heavy support for KOI ie: Sage, Breach. Meaning he has to care more about setting up Wolfen (who doesn't deserve to be in franchising), than getting the frags himself. You saw in the Haven game that he was saving Wolfen's awp almost every round. Meaning he didn't get many opportunities to fight. As a bonus note, Wolfen only got like 2 picks with the awp.
starxo is a weaker player than he used to be but he is probably still deserving
wolfen was the best vrl player last year, he deserved a chance
I like the rest of ur list, an unpopular I'll say is Tuyz but because he joined Loud he will probably succeed, but realistically based on his past performance he's not deserving IMO.
IDK if EG is cheating but C0m is good not great, same with than
jzz is also not very good but his new role could be complementary
keloqz, maybe mixwell
dep also kinda works for this
nah he has a point with several ZETA members, some JP hardcore fans felt had enough with players like dep who were good at online settings but inconsistent at the international LAN. Moreover that this is supposed to be his year to improve into a world class player level now that Chamber is off from the meta.
take jawgemo, mindfreak, SushiboyS, and Wronski off
sushiboys and wronski have both been pretty fine when they have played, just their respective teams decided on different 5 man starting rosters that didn't use them and its just unfair to have two players who have barely played on this list.
and jawgemo and mindfreak have shown that they are very good players. jawgemo has maybe the most crazy entertaining aggro playstyle to watch in all of franchising imo and he some how gets away with it and does so well with that wild style. and mindfreak looks especially good now that PRX have found their form again
bottom 17 rating at LOCK//IN (below wolfen btw)
all that while not even IGLing. This is not Copenhagen anymore. Time to accept that mindfreak isn't what he used to be.
jawgemo legit isn't a raze one trick, his impact and plays on controller have been immensely beneficial for EG's recent performances.
Mindfreak's has looked amazing since PRX brought Something in and he has found timings and space that have helped PRX so many times
and for sushiboys and wronksi they are subs, that is not fraud worthy. if every player who isn't one of the starting 5 is not starting for a reason = a fraud then add every sub player across the league.
below 0.9 rated on all agents but one is not the type of agent pool a franchise level player should have and thats that
maybe mindfreak gets taken off if he further redeems himself in playoffs
what differentiates Wronski and sushiboys from other subs is that they have actually played matches with their roster whereas a player like ethos or qpert have not played matches for their teams and thats why theyre not here
hope this helps
-TENNN
-crow
They may have low ratings and K/D ratios, but they have sufficient reasons to be removed from this list.
Both of them are among the top 10 in terms of KAST in the league, and crow has a very high APR. It's undeniable that they are inferior compared to top players like stax, BuZz, d4v41, and xeta, but ZETA made it to the playoffs because they fulfill the necessary role as a support player.
did i say i hate him? what i said is facts dude is the most overrated player and biggest onliner in the scene the thread is about players who dont deserve to be there.. there are players that deserve to be there more than overrated tenz. other pros dont seem to worry cuz if they say anything about him the casual tenz fanbois are gonna throw so much hate on them which would ruin their brand and rep
Bro G2 was hard carried by sayf, leo and Trexx, 3 WORLD CLASS players, 2 of them are literally top 10 ITW rn, they should've won much more if it wasn't for kolda +Russ/yacine don't make me laugh.
Also KOI has 2 WORLD CLASS players in sheydos and trexxz and wolfen and starxo can be decent players as well, and they ended as the third worst team in the league with arguably the least depth....
Ask yourself some questions honestly
look at G2 before and after they added koldamenta, it was truly a world of difference in the way they played the game, everything just looked so much cleaner.
As for Guild, the old Swedish core also had Sayf, Leo and prime Yacine, how come the best result those guys had was 2nd at LCQ but then when koldamenta steps in they go to LAN?
With KOI, you cant really blame kolda for that 7th place seeing as Wolfen, sheydos and starxo all werent doing much in terms of performance but now that theyve found form you see the true power of that team under koldamenta.
Even keloqz has spoken highly of koldamenta calling him the best IGL in VCT and stating that he makes players so comfortable in the game.
Ok but why do you lie about guild being so good after koldamenta joined compared to as they were before? First of all Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
Second of all, guild without koldamenta arrived 2nd in LCQ behind LIQUID (soon to be 3rd in the world at champions), when EUROPE arguably had the 4 best teams in the world (they all won the groups they were in in champions 2021), finishing better than a very strong G2.
Also it's not like he's not a mechanical demon, he's an huge liability going 0.72 rated in the league with arguably the least depth.
When koldamenta arrived they went 3rd in Europe, but in an Europe basically without M3C, Acend and with a weaker G2... They didn't improve so much, in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
Trexx joined with him (again, world class player).
So was Yacine back in the day, Swedish Guild still couldnt achieve anything
with a weaker G2
G2 only got weaker because koldamenta wasnt there to IGL the team lmao
in fact in LCQ they weren't top 6 team in Europe...
It was an unfortunate situation where Guild had to get Yacine as a sub last minute cuz Riot didnt allow them to get Twisten for the LCQ. They had all of 2 days to practice with him, cant blame kolda at all there
< community suggestions
more like retards suggestions. You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is. They can go 0/20 on a duelist and still be good for the team, but I don't think you realize that, do you?
< shouldn’t be on the list
List shouldn't exist at all, I'll list players that imo play rather very good than bad
soulcas
Destrian
NagZ
Sushiboys
eKo
Stellar
GodDead
Ange1
Boo
cNed
You've no way to tell how impactful a player actually is.
#237
I believe we are in a point of the game’s history where it simply is not enough for Initator, Controller, and Sentinel players to just provide good util. They also need to show at least somewhat decent numbers consistently otherwise it will impact their teams performance negatively and I dont think its fair at all to call people retards for pointing out that these guys do not meet that criteria.
As for the IGLs that are in the list they are there due to poor team results or shit strats and compositions
hope this helps
That metric is made-up bullshit. If a players is still on the team, that means that all other players and coaches are satisfyed with their performance. Also show me a pro player (better several) who'd say that asc aim, good util, good coms and good mood isn't enough.
Poor team results have almost nothing to do with quality of players. Strats or compositions can be bad against some tactics and good against others.
Hope this helps
That metric is made-up bullshit.
Agree to disagree
Also I highly doubt that any franchise team would pick up or keep someone with Ascendant level aim or Ascendant level numbers, the gap between ascendant and pro players is astronomical.
Ntm that some of these players are already in the process of being phased out of their rosters so your point abt coaches being satisfied is invalid for some. A lot of these guys will be removed during the upcoming transfer window.
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