Gonna use this thread to record my thoughts on how they're looking. So far I'm actually pretty damn optimistic. While their bind is absolutely fucking ATROCIOUS they do have some really good moments of coordination elsewhere. X3B's calling isn't a noticeable downgrade so far & K1ra's crazy. Spitfires does what he does best and full sends his entries--sometimes to his detriment--and with proper util support they all have some sublime trade potential from it. Despite my worries the firepower is definitely there with some exciting cracked moments. Bunt's breach is surprisingly good so far and Delb's still frying, but his lurks on cypher are questionable sometimes so hopefully that improves. There were some goober moments when it came down to their retakes and site holds. However, that's been there since last season and I'm confident they can brush up on that this upcoming year.
AG review thread
they look good so far but in all honesty I doubt an international LAN this year
GambleNats [#5]they look good so far but in all honesty I doubt an international LAN this year
it entirely depends on if they can develop proper micro. last year they would fumble some very important moments (mistiming floods, flash plays, whiffing on a single guy, etc) and that culminated into them crashing out when it mattered most. their util is some of the best in the region but it doesn't matter if Spitfires full sprints into site before the enemy anchor is flashed/stunned
thejanitor [#7]Is X3B the igl?
Yeah I'm pretty sure. His announcement post on weibo glazed his in-game ideas and calls which could only mean that
peetherium [#8]Yeah I'm pretty sure. His announcement post on weibo glazed his in-game ideas and calls which could only mean that
Is this the weibo announcment post you're talking about? I don't think it talked about his in game ideas
https://weibo.com/7876248894/5090147343534949
thejanitor [#9]Is this the weibo announcment post you're talking about? I don't think it talked about his in game ideas
https://weibo.com/7876248894/5090147343534949
alright then I'm misremembering something. still though I'm just gonna continue with that notion until inevitably corrected if I'm wrong
Alright well while a little sad that the games were winnable against XLG I'm not disappointed. Team fights look decent like last season, K1ra's actually pretty good & atm X3B can pull his weight firepower-wise despite igling (emphasis on 'at the moment'). They look way better than my initial expectations and I'm confident they can silent grind pretty efficiently with Ego at the helm. Gonna have to see more of their gameplay after next week but as of right now I'm optimistic!
peetherium [#11]Alright well while a little sad that the games were winnable against XLG I'm not disappointed. Team fights look decent like last season, K1ra's actually pretty good & atm X3B can pull his weight firepower-wise despite igling (emphasis on 'at the moment'). They look way better than my initial expectations and I'm confident they can silent grind pretty efficiently with Ego at the helm. Gonna have to see more of their gameplay after next week but as of right now I'm optimistic!
I think the team will do the same as they did this year tbh. Some moments of greatness but won't be able to compete with the top teams (EDG, FPX, TE). K1ra might be a better player than Monk but there wasn't a 'big' upgrade to the team to put them over any of the teams they lost to in 2024.
At most maybe they'll make it to champs through points, hope Ego stays though there were rumors of him going to JDG because he's friends with sword9.
peetherium [#11]Alright well while a little sad that the games were winnable against XLG I'm not disappointed. Team fights look decent like last season, K1ra's actually pretty good & atm X3B can pull his weight firepower-wise despite igling (emphasis on 'at the moment'). They look way better than my initial expectations and I'm confident they can silent grind pretty efficiently with Ego at the helm. Gonna have to see more of their gameplay after next week but as of right now I'm optimistic!
Ego's contract got removed from the GCD
charleser [#12]I think the team will do the same as they did this year tbh. Some moments of greatness but won't be able to compete with the top teams (EDG, FPX, TE). K1ra might be a better player than Monk but there wasn't a 'big' upgrade to the team to put them over any of the teams they lost to in 2024.
At most maybe they'll make it to champs through points, hope Ego stays though there were rumors of him going to JDG because he's friends with sword9.
I agree with how they're probably still gonna be middle pack, but assuming everything goes well I'm sure their ceiling will surprise everyone. They went from bottom feeders to middle-pack through basic fundamental improvement and not direct firepower or relying on set-plays, which is the reason why I think they have better potential longevity.
To be fair it was China 2024 middle-pack, but going from 0 to like a 35 is pretty impressive with what was seen as a roster of afterthoughts. They're the only CN team I would say that had consistent visual improvement throughout the entirety of the season barring FPX
thejanitor [#13]Ego's contract got removed from the GCD
yeah it coincides with the JDG rumors, but I'm not gonna acknowledge it until it's formally revealed/announced. Septem7 is an unknown quantity so I'm excited to see what he'd add to the team with or without Ego anyways
did you also watch the nova matches, how are they so good? i cant watch the stream
SaikiNumber2 [#16]did you also watch the nova matches, how are they so good? i cant watch the stream
pretty much all their players can go above and beyond mechanically and they're really explosive. every series one of their players have gone nuclear (I LOVE GUANG)
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING. WHAT ARE WE DOINGGGGG.
DID BUNT AND MONK BOTH GET BOUGHT OUT????? WHY ARE WE NOT PLAYING BUNT IN THE OFFSEASON????
you put spitfires on fucking SOVA, player on CYPHER, and X3B on flash initiator????? Testing out roles and experiment with lineup is good and all but to bring literally 3 people from Qing Jiu Club after signing their coach screams full on NEPOTISM. There's absolutely no fucking reason to justify why both Monk and Bunt aren't playing. I'm calling bullshit
peetherium [#19]you put spitfires on fucking SOVA, player on CYPHER, and X3B on flash initiator????? Testing out roles and experiment with lineup is good and all but to bring literally 3 people from Qing Jiu Club after signing their coach screams full on NEPOTISM. There's absolutely no fucking reason to justify why both Monk and Bunt aren't playing. I'm calling bullshit
Although there is no direct evidence, But Q9 is the AGโs academy
peetherium [#19]you put spitfires on fucking SOVA, player on CYPHER, and X3B on flash initiator????? Testing out roles and experiment with lineup is good and all but to bring literally 3 people from Qing Jiu Club after signing their coach screams full on NEPOTISM. There's absolutely no fucking reason to justify why both Monk and Bunt aren't playing. I'm calling bullshit
All Gamers signing the core of an CN Ascension team that failed to make it out of groups it certainly a choice
jax05 [#20]Although there is no direct evidence, But Q9 is the AGโs academy
You mean that they're partnered, right? X3B's signing is reasonable and K1ra obviously has the talent and the form to compete, but if it's true that they are professionally connected it still doesn't give a justification to put player out there too. Spitfires isn't inconsistent enough to get rid of him and putting DelB on duelist when they're both playing with him is a crime. I really don't see what Septem's envisioning
Denggysaurus [#21]All Gamers signing the core of an CN Ascension team that failed to make it out of groups it certainly a choice
I was fucking with the K1ra signing and X3B isn't terrible enough of a caller (at least from what we see atm) for me to complain too much. But both Bunt and Monk are too good to both be sitting out, especially when BOTH can play flash initiators at a pretty good level
peetherium [#23]I was fucking with the K1ra signing and X3B isn't terrible enough of a caller (at least from what we see atm) for me to complain too much. But both Bunt and Monk are too good to both be sitting out, especially when BOTH can play flash initiators at a pretty good level
Wait is the Player that AG just signed the exact same person they had on their roster in 2023??? Are they really just pulling mid players they used to have??
Denggysaurus [#24]Wait is the Player that AG just signed the exact same person they had on their roster in 2023??? Are they really just pulling mid players they used to have??
yeah. like I said it's pure nepotism at worst and negligence at best. there is literally no reason for why they should do these roster moves. I don't see a world where any of this is a good sign
I know you guys are bootcamping in Chendu and probably don't gaf abt offseason matches at this point, BUT PLEAAAAAASE GIVE ME ANYTHING PLEASE. WHAT THE FUCK DID I WITNESS WITH THAT SHOWMATCH
peetherium [#26]I know you guys are bootcamping in Chendu and probably don't gaf abt offseason matches at this point, BUT PLEAAAAAASE GIVE ME ANYTHING PLEASE. WHAT THE FUCK DID I WITNESS WITH THAT SHOWMATCH
wait, isn't the roster playing with GE already their final roster? or they are keeping K1ra and the core?
peetherium [#26]I know you guys are bootcamping in Chendu and probably don't gaf abt offseason matches at this point, BUT PLEAAAAAASE GIVE ME ANYTHING PLEASE. WHAT THE FUCK DID I WITNESS WITH THAT SHOWMATCH
I mean delb and Spitfires weren't playing
bearmans [#27]wait, isn't the roster playing with GE already their final roster? or they are keeping K1ra and the core?
it was their scrim accounts i'm pretty sure, but i have no idea who actually played outside of bunt and player. from what i've seen from that one vlr staff it's their academy
teethingdog [#28]I mean delb and Spitfires weren't playing
whether they were or not doesn't matter cuz it wasn't their full roster. i don't really care if they play or do well but I just wanna know what they're up to with the 7 man roster ffs
peetherium [#30]whether they were or not doesn't matter cuz it wasn't their full roster. i don't really care if they play or do well but I just wanna know what they're up to with the 7 man roster ffs
man i hope they don't kick spitfires and delb.
both of them pushed AG to the league playoffs...
bearmans [#31]man i hope they don't kick spitfires and delb.
both of them pushed AG to the league playoffs...
i don't think they're gonna get kicked or benched. I'm pretty sure Septem and/or X3B are just limit testing in the offseason to see how their previous core fares but i still don't like it. they're bootcamping though so only time will tell what they'll do
Can anyone explain why AG is playing with their potential academy roster for the GE showmatch?
H3ENnZ [#33]Can anyone explain why AG is playing with their potential academy roster for the GE showmatch?
all i can think of is that either the main roster didn't wanna play or it conflicted with practice schedules. could be both but i'm not sure
WE HAVE TZH. WE FINALLY HAVE A PLAYER WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING HOLY SHIT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA IT'S ONLY UP FROM HERE. SURELY THINGS WON'T GET WORSE
Septem7 PLEASE don't fumble this PLEASEEEEEE
If this is any indication PLEASE have this be the lineup for the regular season AG (of course with Spitfires instead of Carl). Septem7's finally showing us that he's onto something with the roles
Monk will always be the rock of the team
Okay ykw this is chill I like this roster. I have no idea what to expect with Lsn but if they're trying to go with the Crossfire experience igling I'm not too against it. Just have at least one of Bunt and Monk alongside K1ra and you can cook. The only problem I see is who's going to play duelist but I assume DeLb's gonna take it up and if he does then they definitely have a solid roster individually
geospliced [#39]What do you think about Spitfires not being on the team?
He's basically Icy with better mechanics, but he just so happens to be in the region where explosive mechanics are the standard. He does his job perfectly fine but he has a tendency to never really give his team a significant advantage with his plays against decent teams. Overall DeLb can probably fill his shoes fine if he switches to duelist
peetherium [#40]He's basically Icy with better mechanics, but he just so happens to be in the region where explosive mechanics are the standard. He does his job perfectly fine but he has a tendency to never really give his team a significant advantage with his plays against decent teams. Overall DeLb can probably fill his shoes fine if he switches to duelist
That's very fair
peetherium [#38]Okay ykw this is chill I like this roster. I have no idea what to expect with Lsn but if they're trying to go with the Crossfire experience igling I'm not too against it. Just have at least one of Bunt and Monk alongside K1ra and you can cook. The only problem I see is who's going to play duelist but I assume DeLb's gonna take it up and if he does then they definitely have a solid roster individually
lsn is like 32 and a father already. hope he can still keep up with the younger players
yueyou [#42]lsn is like 32 and a father already. hope he can still keep up with the younger players
well they definitely see something in him, so hopefully he can trade blows or call well if he is igling :)
From the roster video (if it's to be trusted) it seems like LSN will be igling, so that's great! I'm excited for Fire3 because if his stint on IMAY is anything to go by then he's excellent at developing and training talent. Yet again my big question is who's going to be on duelist, since K1ra also flexes Omen, but I'm still going to assume that DeLb is going to flex onto it too whenever they want to go double controller. Things actually seem to be looking up for the long term!
As grim as it was looking in the offseason there's a solid foundation right now. The numbers don't show it but the individual player quality's pretty good. Unfortunately the team play is lacking, however the ideas are definitely there and I can see things start to turn around by the time stage 1 starts. I trust Fire3 and X3B to keep the lineup grounded and improve to a decent international standard by the time the season ends. So far I'm still pretty optimistic
WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TEAM I LOVE????? at this point the season will be successful if we're not BOTTOM THREEEEEEE. everyone simply looks like they're getting less coherent every game. was the abyss against XLG a fluke???? do they care about this tourney???? I guess like every time before we'll see, because I'm REALLY starting to think that shit isn't gonna go smoothly ANYTIME SOON. PLEASE FIRE3 SAVE US IN SPLIT 1 PLEASEEEEEEE
peetherium [#46]WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TEAM I LOVE????? at this point the season will be successful if we're not BOTTOM THREEEEEEE. everyone simply looks like they're getting less coherent every game. was the abyss against XLG a fluke???? do they care about this tourney???? I guess like every time before we'll see, because I'm REALLY starting to think that shit isn't gonna go smoothly ANYTIME SOON. PLEASE FIRE3 SAVE US IN SPLIT 1 PLEASEEEEEEE
Sending my condolences. Understandable crashout. may I ask how you ended up following All Gamers!?
Caksey [#47]Sending my condolences. Understandable crashout. may I ask how you ended up following All Gamers!?
they looked GOOD last year. they had PROTOCOLS. they had ANTI-STRATS. they had DISCIPLINE. most importantly they were FUN TO WATCH because they were ACTIVELY IMPROVING EVERY WEEK. you could literally see the gameplay improve as it went on!!! I still stand by the opinion that the players are solid, but for some god forsaken reason they are playing worse than they ever have. I'm PRAYING that Fire3 can get something going because it's not looking good
alright well they got someone new now. i have no idea who this is (not on their academy) but we ball ig
peetherium [#49]alright well they got someone new now. i have no idea who this is (not on their academy) but we ball ig
Don't they already have a 10 man roster. Really living up to their name ig.
Just kinda want Spitfires back man, he was (imo) one of the most improved players in the league throughout last year.
peetherium [#49]alright well they got someone new now. i have no idea who this is (not on their academy) but we ball ig
they have 11 players on their roster now wtf
where r they finding these players from
peetherium [#49]alright well they got someone new now. i have no idea who this is (not on their academy) but we ball ig
buddy gl because supporting this team is not for the weak
Kaust [#51]Just kinda want Spitfires back man, he was (imo) one of the most improved players in the league throughout last year.
I don't necessarily disagree with benching him. I'm more confused with what they've been doing with the role shuffles. trying to find K1ra's superstar role is good, but they have Bunt who can play both smokes and initiators at a pretty consistent level, but they have Bunt trying out duelists? Monk pretty much only plays initiators since they have K1ra and deLb who both flex onto smokes and sentinels respectively. The only thing I can think that makes sense is that they're trying to build ppl around K1ra and deLb but it devolves into them throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks (or at least that's what it looks like). I think they're in a really awkward transition period where they don't have the infrastructure yet to facilitate their younger talent scouting, so they're still trying to build with the previous roster iteration on top of the new kids they've brought into the lineup and it creates a garbled mess of ideas and messy execution. It doesn't help that they had limited time in the offseason with all the changes in staff. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
GambleNats [#53]buddy gl because supporting this team is not for the weak
I've been a ride or die for over a year now and I ain't stopping. I will keep supporting this team until the sun explodes
peetherium [#54]I don't necessarily disagree with benching him. I'm more confused with what they've been doing with the role shuffles. trying to find K1ra's superstar role is good, but they have Bunt who can play both smokes and initiators at a pretty consistent level, but they have Bunt trying out duelists? Monk pretty much only plays initiators since they have K1ra and deLb who both flex onto smokes and sentinels respectively. The only thing I can think that makes sense is that they're trying to build ppl around K1ra and deLb but it devolves into them throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks (or at least that's what it looks like). I think they're in a really awkward transition period where they don't have the infrastructure yet to facilitate their younger talent scouting, so they're still trying to build with the previous roster iteration on top of the new kids they've brought into the lineup and it creates a garbled mess of ideas and messy execution. It doesn't help that they had limited time in the offseason with all the changes in staff. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Let's just be patient and give fire3 some time. He could have AG looking competitive in anywhere between 2-5 business seasons.
peetherium [#49]alright well they got someone new now. i have no idea who this is (not on their academy) but we ball ig
you mean bai? bai is carl who played in superb cup
****
peetherium [#54]I don't necessarily disagree with benching him. I'm more confused with what they've been doing with the role shuffles. trying to find K1ra's superstar role is good, but they have Bunt who can play both smokes and initiators at a pretty consistent level, but they have Bunt trying out duelists? Monk pretty much only plays initiators since they have K1ra and deLb who both flex onto smokes and sentinels respectively. The only thing I can think that makes sense is that they're trying to build ppl around K1ra and deLb but it devolves into them throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks (or at least that's what it looks like). I think they're in a really awkward transition period where they don't have the infrastructure yet to facilitate their younger talent scouting, so they're still trying to build with the previous roster iteration on top of the new kids they've brought into the lineup and it creates a garbled mess of ideas and messy execution. It doesn't help that they had limited time in the offseason with all the changes in staff. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
What I can tell you is that Spitfires had no intention of acquiring a Duelist. When he entered the transfer market, no one considered him. Meanwhile, AG's academy team coach revealed that AG had actually secured a Duelist candidate and even paid the transfer fee, but the player ultimately backed out. This forced them to transition K1ra from the Controller role to Duelist and sign a short-term contract with TZH
XYLITOL_WU [#58]What I can tell you is that Spitfires had no intention of acquiring a Duelist. When he entered the transfer market, no one considered him. Meanwhile, AG's academy team coach revealed that AG had actually secured a Duelist candidate and even paid the transfer fee, but the player ultimately backed out. This forced them to transition K1ra from the Controller role to Duelist and sign a short-term contract with TZH
alright so my suspicions are correct that shit got immensely more complicated outside the game, but what does that ultimately mean for the roles now that TZH is gone? Bunt is also on the market so not having another primary controller player is weird. I assume Bai is going to fill duelist and K1ra back on smokes (also why did Bai change his alias? Carl was a better name)
peetherium [#59]alright so my suspicions are correct that shit got immensely more complicated outside the game, but what does that ultimately mean for the roles now that TZH is gone? Bunt is also on the market so not having another primary controller player is weird. I assume Bai is going to fill duelist and K1ra back on smokes (also why did Bai change his alias? Carl was a better name)
i projected AG roster configuration would be: delb on Sentinel, bai as Duelist, K1ra anchoring Controller, monk handling Initiator. The inclusion of Player suggests potential flex assignments - either Player assuming Sentinel role (based on his Sentinel gameplay during FGC and Predator league) with delb transitioning to flex, or Player directly slotting into flex. Regarding the ID change from Carl to bai, it's particularly intriguing given his legal name Zhang Zeyang. AG's welcome message containing 'ๅฐ็ฝ' (literally 'Little White', colloquially implying 'rookie' in Chinese gaming circles) might indicate branding strategy. The organization is expected to release an explanatory video addressing both the roster logic and this nomenclature decision.
peetherium [#59]alright so my suspicions are correct that shit got immensely more complicated outside the game, but what does that ultimately mean for the roles now that TZH is gone? Bunt is also on the market so not having another primary controller player is weird. I assume Bai is going to fill duelist and K1ra back on smokes (also why did Bai change his alias? Carl was a better name)
sry frgot told you
When participating in some recent events in China, AG has been bringing Player along. I'm not sure if this indicates AG plans to field Player in the first split. Last year, AG's player Sword9 mentioned the organization had an exceptionally talented young prospect who has now come of age, but we still don't know the identity of this young player."
XYLITOL_WU [#60]i projected AG roster configuration would be: delb on Sentinel, bai as Duelist, K1ra anchoring Controller, monk handling Initiator. The inclusion of Player suggests potential flex assignments - either Player assuming Sentinel role (based on his Sentinel gameplay during FGC and Predator league) with delb transitioning to flex, or Player directly slotting into flex. Regarding the ID change from Carl to bai, it's particularly intriguing given his legal name Zhang Zeyang. AG's welcome message containing 'ๅฐ็ฝ' (literally 'Little White', colloquially implying 'rookie' in Chinese gaming circles) might indicate branding strategy. The organization is expected to release an explanatory video addressing both the roster logic and this nomenclature decision.
Makes sense. I'm really curious to see how they handle all the roles along with the igling. Player isn't bad but imo he doesn't really add anything that other options would bring at the moment, but I guess that's why they're letting him cook some more in the academy. I need to hop onto weibo and bilibili more so I can have a better idea on wtf is going on T_T
XYLITOL_WU [#61]sry frgot told you
When participating in some recent events in China, AG has been bringing Player along. I'm not sure if this indicates AG plans to field Player in the first split. Last year, AG's player Sword9 mentioned the organization had an exceptionally talented young prospect who has now come of age, but we still don't know the identity of this young player."
not surprised since historically the org is really good on getting on top of younger prospects in academy. I wonder who it is for him to say that this early into the league's lifespan
AG has like a half leagues worth of players and none of them can win
coaches must be shit
NerfMaxima [#64]AG has like a half leagues worth of players and none of them can win
coaches must be shit
they had a complete staff overhaul, rebuilt the roster and a lot of shit's been going on behind the scenes in regards to player buyouts. they're shit rn but I'd wait until split 1 to make any accusations of the coach's competence
peetherium [#65]they had a complete staff overhaul, rebuilt the roster and a lot of shit's been going on behind the scenes in regards to player buyouts. they're shit rn but I'd wait until split 1 to make any accusations of the coach's competence
that makes sense, lets see in stage 1 then
Who are they fielding? How are they affording this many players? How is this sustainable? And how are they supposed to avoid going 0/5 in Stage 1?
peetherium [#67]they brought two more people now.
whelp I'm fucking stupid but the talent quality's still good regardless
cxyy not cxy one name chen one name cui
peetherium [#67]they brought two more people now.
whelp I'm fucking stupid but the talent quality's still good regardless
cxy0714 is the Kulin player you're referring to. However, they just picked up cxyy, who was the TE substitute up until now.
XYLITOL_WU [#70]cxyy not cxy one name chen one name cui
nevermind then alright this is getting fucking annoying now. i have encountered at least 4 different motherfuckers with the same ign in this region. what the FUCK is this. i thought they were the same since one of them was on totoro & the other one was the trace stand-in. crazy fucking coincidence
Kaust [#71]cxy0714 is the Kulin player you're referring to. However, they just picked up cxyy, who was the TE substitute up until now.
i swear to god the names weren't different last time I checked. I might be the worst person at spotting differences in people with the same igns because no fucking way this happened a THIRD TIME
Kaust [#69]Who are they fielding? How are they affording this many players? How is this sustainable? And how are they supposed to avoid going 0/5 in Stage 1?
i really don't give a fuck at this point if they go 0/5. they develop young and upcoming talent mainly so they don't really have to expend a lot for their rosters. most of their players are developed through academy so they're dirt cheap compared to tier 1 diaspora. also now I have absolutely zero idea who they're going to have starting. this basically reaffirms my belief that Bunt is not getting out there, but this also puts deLb's place into question since the roles are all over the place now
Kaust [#69]Who are they fielding? How are they affording this many players? How is this sustainable? And how are they supposed to avoid going 0/5 in Stage 1?
They're called All Gamers for a reason
peetherium [#72]nevermind then alright this is getting fucking annoying now. i have encountered at least 4 different motherfuckers with the same ign in this region. what the FUCK is this. i thought they were the same since one of them was on totoro & the other one was the trace stand-in. crazy fucking coincidence
is ok bro
some chinese also cant distinguish cxyy and cxy0714
The "CXY" you mentioned is CXY0714, the player who was banned due to match-fixing. Chinese audiences strongly dislike him because his fans often make troll-like comments claiming that "ZMJJKK stole his life."
peetherium [#73]i swear to god the names weren't different last time I checked. I might be the worst person at spotting differences in people with the same igns because no fucking way this happened a THIRD TIME
All good lad, you do wonders for the CN region and your work is appreciated vastly. Keep your head up!
kk85 [#75]They're called All Gamers for a reason
Might rebrand to Every Gamer because they're signing every fucking gamer under the sun.
peetherium [#74]i really don't give a fuck at this point if they go 0/5. they develop young and upcoming talent mainly so they don't really have to expend a lot for their rosters. most of their players are developed through academy so they're dirt cheap compared to tier 1 diaspora. also now I have absolutely zero idea who they're going to have starting. this basically reaffirms my belief that Bunt is not getting out there, but this also puts deLb's place into question since the roles are all over the place now
They can field a football (soccer, depending on your preference) team!
kk85 [#75]They're called All Gamers for a reason
or army gamers. they actually only need to play 5 players. 12 players in a team. 5 academy. Amazing
Unless they throw another curveball then Monk, Bunt, and (definitely) spitfires will not be playing throughout the season. Hopefully they can do a good job at developing K1ra and Bai during this season, since they're the biggest standouts so far
Perhaps there is good news, AG seems to have signed Renai, the former Rainbow Six Chinese champion, who is considered the best player in CN Rainbow Six and a former EDG academy of Valorant. the infor mention he will play at stage 2. i think he is a good player, used challenge 90% win rate to radient in Asian rank.
lovekylin [#82]Perhaps there is good news, AG seems to have signed Renai, the former Rainbow Six Chinese champion, who is considered the best player in CN Rainbow Six and a former EDG academy of Valorant. the infor mention he will play at stage 2. i think he is a good player, used challenge 90% win rate to radient in Asian rank.
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lovekylin [#82]Perhaps there is good news, AG seems to have signed Renai, the former Rainbow Six Chinese champion, who is considered the best player in CN Rainbow Six and a former EDG academy of Valorant. the infor mention he will play at stage 2. i think he is a good player, used challenge 90% win rate to radient in Asian rank.
if what you're saying is true then that's pretty good. gonna have to wait to see though
Late post but I'm very happy with how things have improved. Even though Trace looked a little worse than their kickoff form AG have shown a lot of good stuff that was simply absent before they implemented the new talent. Player, K1ra, and deLb are back to their decent condition and Hanche's a bit mediocre but the talent is definitely there. the calling and macro is noticeably improved and it's clear that Fire3 and the rest of the coaching staff know what they're doing in regards to getting the team up to scratch. Fundamentally there were some clean and good rounds: trading, playing time, and util are consistent (not great, but consistent). Split definitely is a stain on their performance and was quite horrible but everything else was much, MUCH better. if this is an indicator for how the rest of the season will go then I'm very excited to see how they improve
Bunt's gone now. Don't think his contract ended (end of 2026) so he probably got bought out. Wonder who he's going to go to
Fendy1 [#88]all gluers i aint readin allat
I would've been surprised if you were able to read this
peetherium [#86]Late post but I'm very happy with how things have improved. Even though Trace looked a little worse than their kickoff form AG have shown a lot of good stuff that was simply absent before they implemented the new talent. Player, K1ra, and deLb are back to their decent condition and Hanche's a bit mediocre but the talent is definitely there. the calling and macro is noticeably improved and it's clear that Fire3 and the rest of the coaching staff know what they're doing in regards to getting the team up to scratch. Fundamentally there were some clean and good rounds: trading, playing time, and util are consistent (not great, but consistent). Split definitely is a stain on their performance and was quite horrible but everything else was much, MUCH better. if this is an indicator for how the rest of the season will go then I'm very excited to see how they improve
how can delete fk this i reply worng
peetherium [#87]Bunt's gone now. Don't think his contract ended (end of 2026) so he probably got bought out. Wonder who he's going to go to
hear that is china t2 team ccg but ccg have Controller ac
ac and bunt also can play sen so i think it will be ac play sen bunt play controller
XYLITOL_WU [#91]hear that is china t2 team ccg but ccg have Controller ac
ac and bunt also can play sen so i think it will be ac play sen bunt play controller
CCG with Maple, Bunt, ac, and Kawe, and GREEN would be cool if true. Maple deserves a good core to lead
ButterflyEffect23 [#89]I would've been surprised if you were able to read this
Yes I can read just not unnecessary information
atp just rebuild around K1ra and deLb. Hanche's not good enough to warrant him staying for another split, Bai's admittedly not bad but he's not great either. hopefully they at least replace Hanche with a better talent from their academy or ranked because at this point it's pissing me off that he's playing instead of someone actually competent. lsn's calling isn't bad by any means but his individual utility is terrible most of the time and his crossfire habits are showing without any adaptation to the current game.
peetherium [#94]atp just rebuild around K1ra and deLb. Hanche's not good enough to warrant him staying for another split, Bai's admittedly not bad but he's not great either. hopefully they at least replace Hanche with a better talent from their academy or ranked because at this point it's pissing me off that he's playing instead of someone actually competent. lsn's calling isn't bad by any means but his individual utility is terrible most of the time and his crossfire habits are showing without any adaptation to the current game.
brother, let it go...
let delb and k1ra get a new team.
bearmans [#95]brother, let it go...
let delb and k1ra get a new team.
deLb's here until 2026 and I don't see them prematurely letting him go. wouldn't be surprised if they keep him in the core alongside K1ra for next year unless they choose to put him on the market and he gets bought out
Delb is ex-duelist indonesian, it is such a shame to see him in AG. At least, he should join TEC or JDG
1One1 [#97]Delb is ex-duelist indonesian, it is such a shame to see him in AG. At least, he should join TEC or JDG
AG's run in 2024 was pretty damn good compared to this one, especially for deLb. The staff being rebuilt alongside them wanting to incorporate newer talents from their academy systems is just maybe a year too early for the player quality to be good enough to showcase immediate results. Things will get better next year but Hanche being THIS shit is astounding. 4 weeks and no individual improvement or results to validate his existence in tier 1. literally everything about him is bad
XYLITOL_WU [#99]i can told you that spitfires will return to ag
does that mean Hanche is gone?
XYLITOL_WU [#101]yes
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
they got paris. he was one of BLG's coaches during their champs 2023 run, so hopefully he can bring some much needed structure. could be what they need
maybe things will finally go well this split. Just as things were looking good Fire3 got health problems and left after only a single week, then performances fell off a cliff, Hanche didn't provide value, and their stage was over before they could even get the ball rolling. i can only hope Paris will prove to be a milestone for good fortune with all the unfortunate shit that's been transpiring. Fire3 was visibly a good coach who did create a difference in the singular month he was with them in. If the management trust Paris like they did him then I can only assume that this decision was made with good reasoning behind it
luckypleb [#105]are they all really gamers?
annoying ass joke but yeah the name is accurate to what they do in literally every game they bother to invest in
peetherium [#103]they got paris. he was one of BLG's coaches during their champs 2023 run, so hopefully he can bring some much needed structure. could be what they need
In fact, he is not the coach of 2023 BLG champs
this is a long, long and complicated story
XYLITOL_WU [#107]In fact, he is not the coach of 2023 BLG champs
this is a long, long and complicated story
really now? ik that the situation at blg wasn't really simple at the time but what was he technically? i never bothered to get educated about it on the chinese sites
peetherium [#108]really now? ik that the situation at blg wasn't really simple at the time but what was he technically? i never bothered to get educated about it on the chinese sites
I don't know how much you know about the Chinese team before VCTCN was formed
To put it more simply, there used to be a very powerful team called kone in China, with Yosemite, sword9, knight, ninebody and luoking as members. Since their boss has been in arrears of wages and bonuses (you must know that the prize money in the Chinese competition is not very large, only about a few thousand RMB), so in the end the boss chose to disband the team. The original rumor was that BLG would pack all these players, including the management and coach Jexen, and tyloo was also interested in packing these people, but blg would have whzy, One of them will become a substitute, so at that time, the team discussed and voted on it, Yosemite and knight and coaches and management went to blg, tyloo chose ninebody and luoking, and sword9 chose to go to edg as an assistant coach.BLG dismissed all but whzy and rin and kai who was reduced to a substitute
XYLITOL_WU [#109]I don't know how much you know about the Chinese team before VCTCN was formed
To put it more simply, there used to be a very powerful team called kone in China, with Yosemite, sword9, knight, ninebody and luoking as members. Since their boss has been in arrears of wages and bonuses (you must know that the prize money in the Chinese competition is not very large, only about a few thousand RMB), so in the end the boss chose to disband the team. The original rumor was that BLG would pack all these players, including the management and coach Jexen, and tyloo was also interested in packing these people, but blg would have whzy, One of them will become a substitute, so at that time, the team discussed and voted on it, Yosemite and knight and coaches and management went to blg, tyloo chose ninebody and luoking, and sword9 chose to go to edg as an assistant coach.BLG dismissed all but whzy and rin and kai who was reduced to a substitute
I'm aware of the situation KONE was in before partnership and how the team imploded due to lack of financial return, but how the team was split is interesting to finally learn about. I remember him being present for their run in champs, so how did the whole team structure get ironed out after the rebuild?
peetherium [#110]I'm aware of the situation KONE was in before partnership and how the team imploded due to lack of financial return, but how the team was split is interesting to finally learn about. I remember him being present for their run in champs, so how did the whole team structure get ironed out after the rebuild?
kone gave up the Valorant project and invested in the PUBG mobile game wholeheartedly, and Kone's players didn't talk much about voting before, but it is certain that their relationship is still very good, as for blg, after the arrival of kone's management, the original players and divisions of BLG were dismissed, leaving some players such as kai, and it can be said that the current blg is the management of the previous kone
XYLITOL_WU [#112]kone gave up the Valorant project and invested in the PUBG mobile game wholeheartedly, and Kone's players didn't talk much about voting before, but it is certain that their relationship is still very good, as for blg, after the arrival of kone's management, the original players and divisions of BLG were dismissed, leaving some players such as kai, and it can be said that the current blg is the management of the previous kone
So Paris was KONE staff who transferred to BLG before the qualifiers? Makes sense considering his documentation on western sites is literally nothing until BLG's qualifier run
peetherium [#113]So Paris was KONE staff who transferred to BLG before the qualifiers? Makes sense considering his documentation on western sites is literally nothing until BLG's qualifier run
Paris used to work at BLG, and BLG had a team before Kone's people came, and after Kone's people came, the original BLG people didn't work except for WHZ and Rin and Kai Accident, in fact, Paris started in the Valorant project in 2020, but there has been no achievement
XYLITOL_WU [#114]Paris used to work at BLG, and BLG had a team before Kone's people came, and after Kone's people came, the original BLG people didn't work except for WHZ and Rin and Kai Accident, in fact, Paris started in the Valorant project in 2020, but there has been no achievement
Okay so i had it flipped. I understand now. However, what's up with Paris still working with them after the KONE pickup then? All western sources record him still being active with the org until after Champs 2023 ended, and I swear I remember him being active around that time too (might be misremembering hard)
peetherium [#115]Okay so i had it flipped. I understand now. However, what's up with Paris still working with them after the KONE pickup then? All western sources record him still being active with the org until after Champs 2023 ended, and I swear I remember him being active around that time too (might be misremembering hard)
You know, the Chinese team has never officially announced their departure, even if they have long since left. At least what I know is that JEXEN should be the only one in BLG 23, and it is also possible that I also have a problem with my memory, and he was also on the coaching staff at that time and BLG did not officially announce it
XYLITOL_WU [#116]You know, the Chinese team has never officially announced their departure, even if they have long since left. At least what I know is that JEXEN should be the only one in BLG 23, and it is also possible that I also have a problem with my memory, and he was also on the coaching staff at that time and BLG did not officially announce it
Thanks for the information!
I wonder if deLb igling is something they're trying out. lsn sitting this event out is pretty peculiar. regardless the sunset shows some pretty good signs of discipline and good macro. excited to see how paris molds the team
Pedri_isTheGoat [#119]Any update?
no Now the information is only that the Spitfire is back in the starting game duel, the manager xiyiji is on the field, the hanche and the player have returned to Q9 (AG Academy) A recent event mentioned MONK is not aware of the subsequent changes
XYLITOL_WU [#122]no Now the information is only that the Spitfire is back in the starting game duel, the manager xiyiji is on the field, the hanche and the player have returned to Q9 (AG Academy) A recent event mentioned MONK is not aware of the subsequent changes
So bothering me why they not keep the monk, spitfires, sword9 roster back then. Now they can't beat anynone lol
Pedri_isTheGoat [#123]So bothering me why they not keep the monk, spitfires, sword9 roster back then. Now they can't beat anynone lol
Because they put their money in League of Legends
XYLITOL_WU [#124]Because they put their money in League of Legends
Wait, AG have LOL?
Pedri_isTheGoat [#126]Wait, AG have LOL?
Anyoneโs legend, a really heckin good team.
Kaust [#128]Anyoneโs legend, a really heckin good team.
Wtf i know them but why the name is not AG?
Pedri_isTheGoat [#129]Wtf i know them but why the name is not AG?
One of the more popular sayings in China is that the team name used in HOK events and League of Legends events cannot be the same, such as tes, which is tes.a in hok events, and ag wants to make an international club (like G2 vit), and they have been thinking about brand upgrades
XYLITOL_WU [#122]no Now the information is only that the Spitfire is back in the starting game duel, the manager xiyiji is on the field, the hanche and the player have returned to Q9 (AG Academy) A recent event mentioned MONK is not aware of the subsequent changes
holy shit W but why is the manager playing?
bearmans [#132]holy shit W but why is the manager playing?
i dont know
sword9 said that AG has a child with great potential, and we haven't seen who this child is until now
AG is bring shr1mp, and lsn will concentrate on live brobadcasting.
Source: shr1mp has changed its ID
XYLITOL_WU [#134]AG is bring shr1mp, and lsn will concentrate on live brobadcasting.
Source: shr1mp has changed its ID
we are so up
Mrkwave [#137]Who AG igl now ?
if i had to guess either deLb or shr1mp in this scenario
peetherium [#139]Monk got bought out by NOVA. interested to see how that goes
Who is AG main lineup?
Pedri_isTheGoat [#140]Who is AG main lineup?
shr1mp deLb k1ra spitfires +1 that's not entirely confirmed yet. considering Hanche's more recent performance and player's consistent demotion to academy i doubt they would be repromoted. probably Bai but cxyy being brought in wouldn't be a big surprise. there's also the possibility of another signing directly from their academy or other free agents not in tier 1
https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938839786438951358?t=TngspNBbuOy-I26mX1o2KA&s=19
Paris left the team.
TMosura [#142]https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938839786438951358?t=TngspNBbuOy-I26mX1o2KA&s=19
Paris left the team.
Paris is never going to Paris
TMosura [#142]https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938839786438951358?t=TngspNBbuOy-I26mX1o2KA&s=19
Paris left the team.
biggest question is who's gonna be the head coach atp. staying with septem and oi when they have an entire split left in the season + champs quals either means they have a lot of trust or they're bringing someone else along
their talent development is obviously doing some really good stuff if reserve players training in the academy get picked up by tier 1 teams. be weird if they didn't dedicate to investing into good coaching for their main lineup on the stage
peetherium [#144]biggest question is who's gonna be the head coach atp. staying with septem and oi when they have an entire split left in the season + champs quals either means they have a lot of trust or they're bringing someone else along
their talent development is obviously doing some really good stuff if reserve players training in the academy get picked up by tier 1 teams. be weird if they didn't dedicate to investing into good coaching for their main lineup on the stage
Will it not just be one of them being promoted?
Jayde [#145]Will it not just be one of them being promoted?
yeah that's why I said if they do then that means that have a decent amount of trust to just let the season ride out with the two of them
Jayde [#145]Will it not just be one of them being promoted?
NEVERMIND MY SECOND GUT FEELING WAS RIGHT https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938854880673964062
peetherium [#147]NEVERMIND MY SECOND GUT FEELING WAS RIGHT https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938854880673964062
Is this guy good? Ive never heard of him
Jayde [#148]Is this guy good? Ive never heard of him
cs unc who's been around the block. i assume he's been on academy staff with Q9. maybe he is good maybe he isn't. he IS experienced in tac shooters though
peetherium [#149]cs unc who's been around the block. i assume he's been on academy staff with Q9. maybe he is good maybe he isn't. he IS experienced in tac shooters though
Alr well i hope they atleast do decently next stage๐
Jayde [#150]Alr well i hope they atleast do decently next stage๐
just 1 win will be a success for this year with all the shit that's happened tbh
peetherium [#152]roster will be xiyiji k1ra deLb spitfires and shr1mp.
holy upgrade
they should have got Redgar though
localkoolkid [#153]they should have got Redgar though
k1ra with one hand, blind, and chronic diarrhea still has more value than that omen tping terrorist on GX last year
peetherium [#154]k1ra with one hand, blind, and chronic diarrhea still has more value than that omen tping terrorist on GX last year
ayy bro he has won a trophy tho so idk man, more trophies than Mako therefore, Redgar > Mako confirmed
localkoolkid [#155]ayy bro he has won a trophy tho so idk man, more trophies than Mako therefore, Redgar > Mako confirmed
0/8
i can't even goon to this
peetherium [#152]roster will be xiyiji k1ra deLb spitfires and shr1mp.
holy upgrade
Spitfires and delb still on the team after 100 ppl roster change, good for them
Pedri_isTheGoat [#157]Spitfires and delb still on the team after 100 ppl roster change, good for them
i mean spitfires was sent to the academy and is only back because no one took the buyout. he's gotten much better mechanically since then. deLb is a fluent mandarin speaking import with extensive indonesian tier 2 experience so yeah they're not letting him go unless he drops consistent mediocre numbers
peetherium [#158]i mean spitfires was sent to the academy and is only back because no one took the buyout. he's gotten much better mechanically since then. deLb is a fluent mandarin speaking import with extensive indonesian tier 2 experience so yeah they're not letting him go unless he drops consistent mediocre numbers
Im still mad that they not keep the monk & sword9 roster back then, that roster is playoff material
Pedri_isTheGoat [#159]Im still mad that they not keep the monk & sword9 roster back then, that roster is playoff material
that's hindsight talking. AG was good last year because of EGO and Sword9's system. let's not pretend like they were actually decent before stage 1 was nearing playoffs. i would say the individual player quality has actually gotten better because they have k1ra. the coaching took a nosedive because their head coach literally resigned after only a month. hanche was dogshit and player + bai were meh but K1ra's inclusion is a massive asset
Late but their sunset looked extremely solid and they look like they understand how to play it at least at a basic level. XLG played horribly in it but they showed a lot of promising stuff with the prep. Unfortunately it's probably the furthest they've progressed in terms of their map pool since their Lotus and Ascent were tragic. There are some clear signs of good fundamental play though, and all of the players are clear mechanical upgrades over the split 1 lineup (H0nche back to Q9). xiyiji's performance was honestly better than expected and his util's pretty solid. shr1mp and spitfires are doing as expected and providing value. deLb and K1ra show why they're the remaining core. things could be better but they could also be much worse. can only hope that the coaching staff can help progress the team to not being bottom barrel by the end of the season and show signs of life
Bunt got bought out by ccg forgot to mention that like a billion years ago
Kaust [#163]K1ra + Spitfires double duelist, you love to see it, but H0nche is back ):
as long as hanche isn't going 4/20 on primary duelist i'll tolerate his existence until he proves his worth. they seem to have been developing his anchoring so maybe putting him on a more relaxed position is the play
peetherium [#164]as long as hanche isn't going 4/20 on primary duelist i'll tolerate his existence until he proves his worth. they seem to have been developing his anchoring so maybe putting him on a more relaxed position is the play
He held his own going 7/7/10. Thoughts on the 13-2 against Wolves?
Kaust [#165]He held his own going 7/7/10. Thoughts on the 13-2 against Wolves?
wolves weren't playing well but AG played good enough to absolutely roll them which makes them at least decent. imo their fundamentals + strat book were pretty deep on bind all things considered. I think the coaching staff are going the approach their crossfire team does and develop individual maps as their own piece
peetherium [#166]wolves weren't playing well but AG played good enough to absolutely roll them which makes them at least decent. imo their fundamentals + strat book were pretty deep on bind all things considered. I think the coaching staff are going the approach their crossfire team does and develop individual maps as their own piece
Probably one upgrade away from competing tbh, but they're looking drilled.
Kaust [#167]Probably one upgrade away from competing tbh, but they're looking drilled.
it's giving potter vibes now tbh and I always felt like it'd go down that avenue due to the inherent business model of the org
peetherium [#168]it's giving potter vibes now tbh and I always felt like it'd go down that avenue due to the inherent business model of the org
Real 180 from looking really troll to looking like 2-0ing WOL.
Fluxcicide [#171]damn peetherium
I initially made this to document the org's process. Didn't think I'd be documenting a whole ass journey
Kaust [#169]Real 180 from looking really troll to looking like 2-0ing WOL.
Yeah I'm surprised too. But yet again they're competent management-wise it's just that the business model is super dependent on laying down infrastructure. Now that they got that solidified it seems like things will only get better from here. Still worried about Hanche though
XYLITOL_WU [#176]we are the champions~my friend~
You're the GOAT my friend
peetherium [#175]Yeah I'm surprised too. But yet again they're competent management-wise it's just that the business model is super dependent on laying down infrastructure. Now that they got that solidified it seems like things will only get better from here. Still worried about Hanche though
He didn't look abbhorent, he can be the makeshift puzzle piece while they scout China.
peetherium [#173]I initially made this to document the org's process. Didn't think I'd be documenting a whole ass journey
nah start a train atp
peetherium [#173]I initially made this to document the org's process. Didn't think I'd be documenting a whole ass journey
the AG train is finally working โ๐๐ค
Fluxcicide [#180]nah start a train atp
Only if they get better. I'll remain cautiously optimistic while they start racking up their repertoire
TMosura [#183]goat. cut from the same cloth.
Repping a team for the love of the game
Here is a little some respect moment in VLRUL we had abou AG : https://www.youtube.com/live/XmBxKfrOny0?t=4165s ^-^
Kaust [#178]He didn't look abbhorent, he can be the makeshift puzzle piece while they scout China.
They'll definitely find someone stronger eventually but having him over player (who's had pretty good moments in split 1) is weird. Hanche didn't do bad so I can't complain but still
peetherium [#189]They'll definitely find someone stronger eventually but having him over player (who's had pretty good moments in split 1) is weird. Hanche didn't do bad so I can't complain but still
The market is big for smokes players in China, if they could even land someone like Jkuro to play senti/viper, I'd feel very optimistic for them.
yet another late post but this loss was unfortunate. this was actually really good showing since Sunset was more of a firepower diff than anything (apart from the last 3 rounds). Their strats were cooked well, sensible, and the players were clearly confident in what they were doing for most of the series. the corrode was abhorrent but I had a feeling that it wasn't as developed as it should be to warrant positive belief in it. overall pretty optimistic for the NOVA game if they continue to improve their macro
Wtf did they do with shr1mp he was NOT this good on Fpx. Hanche isn't throwing also. Whatever they're doing is clearly working
peetherium [#194]#2 seed guaranteed ๐
They should beat blg ngl. Blg is just 2 man team
Unless blg beat edg & its edg vs ag
pretty convincing win vs fpx honestly, apart from from some slow moments on icebox
Kaust [#198]I'll have some of whatever they're feeding the team please
talent development's putting in work (200th thread post wow)
peetherium [#200]talent development's putting in work (200th thread post wow)
They definitely fed Shr1mp something, the guy is shooting different
Icebox retake protocols look good. Silly moments but honestly it mainly looked like the effects of miscommunication. Sunset has some great ideas. Haven is dogshit but ykw their other maps are strong so they CAN develop it in the break maybe. Overall whenever they're not asleep (cough cough vs. Tyloo) they got a good shot of cracking top 4
Kaust [#201]They definitely fed Shr1mp something, the guy is shooting different
they fed him shrimp
peetherium [#204]Icebox retake protocols look good. Silly moments but honestly it mainly looked like the effects of miscommunication. Sunset has some great ideas. Haven is dogshit but ykw their other maps are strong so they CAN develop it in the break maybe. Overall whenever they're not asleep (cough cough vs. Tyloo) they got a good shot of cracking top 4
Their strats looking solid overall.
marnd [#206]peetherium you got lucky.
weโll be back next time
Autumn might need to be put back on chamber ngl
peetherium [#208]Autumn might need to be put back on chamber ngl
this bleed coach would never let him
just bring yosemiteโs champs form back bruh
sawrice [#210]All Gooners are mid get over it. Edward Gooners will show them
The ragebaiter types half-wit messages to feel happy, yet their tiny and smooth brain cannot comprehend the whimsy and happiness that the passion of a true fan brings
Kaust [#213]Sorry peetherium, I cannot stand with you on this one.
I forgot that xlg are cooked if they don't win this game ๐
peetherium [#214]I forgot that xlg are cooked if they don't win this game ๐
It's a shame, I love the Gamers, day 1 Spitfires supporter (although he was ass at one point tbh), but ya'll must fall so we may make it.
Kaust [#215]It's a shame, I love the Gamers, day 1 Spitfires supporter (although he was ass at one point tbh), but ya'll must fall so we may make it.
Personal bias aside XLG at champs will go hard. They need respect after that fucked series of events leading up to Toronto
peetherium [#216]Personal bias aside XLG at champs will go hard. They need respect after that fucked series of events leading up to Toronto
I need a good showing from XLG today, even if I must sacrifice AG.
peetherium [#219]1-1 my friend
May the best team win, and may XLG not run triple senti (pls just put Rarga on Neon or smth)
Unfortunate for the season to end like that, but after split 1 and where everything was before anything better than a single series win would've been enough for me to feel content. I'll update this thread as they make moves in their off-season. They definitely will do stuff with their academy team. Overall a great split 2 and good implications for next year.
peetherium [#224]Unfortunate for the season to end like that, but after split 1 and where everything was before anything better than a single series win would've been enough for me to feel content. I'll update this thread as they make moves in their off-season. They definitely will do stuff with their academy team. Overall a great split 2 and good implications for next year.
even tho this was disappointing it was a great bounceback and i didnt think they would get anything near this so im happy that they did this almost got top 4
Kaust [#222]Goodbye my friend
Yeah I was hoping it'd be closer, but top 6 is admirable for how cooked stage 1 was
peetherium [#226]Yeah I was hoping it'd be closer, but top 6 is admirable for how cooked stage 1 was
O bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao
got 3 newcomers for EVO Act 3. no idea who they are whether they're brand new academy prospects or just temporary players while they do stuff in the offseason but it'll be interesting regardless if they're fielded instead of xiyiji or smth
peetherium [#228]got 3 newcomers for EVO Act 3. no idea who they are whether they're brand new academy prospects or just temporary players while they do stuff in the offseason but it'll be interesting regardless if they're fielded instead of xiyiji or smth
Some new gamers i see
Jayde [#229]Some new gamers i see
they have completely no info in past seasons and from what i've seen not many people in weibo have much of an idea either outside of "they're fine". if i had to guess the management is going to do the same thing they did last season and just throw out the various players they're considering promoting before the next season to see how they do. considering Hanche's just gone there's a good chance he got redemoted lol, and i doubt that XiYiJi would come back unless he somehow performs way more in scrims for them to give him a chance again
peetherium [#230]they have completely no info in past seasons and from what i've seen not many people in weibo have much of an idea either outside of "they're fine". if i had to guess the management is going to do the same thing they did last season and just throw out the various players they're considering promoting before the next season to see how they do. considering Hanche's just gone there's a good chance he got redemoted lol, and i doubt that XiYiJi would come back unless he somehow performs way more in scrims for them to give him a chance again
If u had the chance to decide, who out of the roster at the end of stage 2 would u replace? Im guessing hanche and maybe delb?
Jayde [#231]If u had the chance to decide, who out of the roster at the end of stage 2 would u replace? Im guessing hanche and maybe delb?
Iโm not peetherium but deLb has seen a little bit of a resurgence, but Hanche should probably go
Kaust [#232]Iโm not peetherium but deLb has seen a little bit of a resurgence, but Hanche should probably go
Might be surprising but delb had the worst rating in all of playoffs (not saying they should remove him but if u wanna make chamges he would be one of the 2 id look at)
Jayde [#231]If u had the chance to decide, who out of the roster at the end of stage 2 would u replace? Im guessing hanche and maybe delb?
ignoring the whole concept of them, y'know, selling people Hanche's gone 100%. bro is not consistent enough at all, sucked on duelist, and isn't competitive enough on anchor to contest with the upper echelon of sentinel talent. deLb's the main caller so he's very hard to replace and they literally got rid of their stage 1 igl in favor of transitioning him to it because it just gave better results. Shr1mp, K1ra, and Spitfires are all extremely good talent prospects so keeping them would be the obvious decision if you're trying to maintain any core so i'd probably do that assuming there wasn't any more promising options in academy
peetherium [#234]ignoring the whole concept of them, y'know, selling people Hanche's gone 100%. bro is not consistent enough at all, sucked on duelist, and isn't competitive enough on anchor to contest with the upper echelon of sentinel talent. deLb's the main caller so he's very hard to replace and they literally got rid of their stage 1 igl in favor of transitioning him to it because it just gave better results. Shr1mp, K1ra, and Spitfires are all extremely good talent prospects so keeping them would be the obvious decision if you're trying to maintain any core so i'd probably do that assuming there wasn't any more promising options in academy
Oh delb is igl, i didnt remember lol
peetherium [#228]got 3 newcomers for EVO Act 3. no idea who they are whether they're brand new academy prospects or just temporary players while they do stuff in the offseason but it'll be interesting regardless if they're fielded instead of xiyiji or smth
YES all brand new academy prospects and someone say leav3u is good
Jayde [#235]Oh delb is igl, i didnt remember lol
everyone doesn't because they just assume non-chinese = can't speak mandarin
peetherium [#237]everyone doesn't because they just assume non-chinese = can't speak mandarin
Not even that but i just thought it would be shr1mp (idk why)
XYLITOL_WU [#236]YES all brand new academy prospects and someone say leav3u is good
I hope they all get playtime tbh i'm curious to see how they do before they make any 2026 roster decisions
Jayde [#238]Not even that but i just thought it would be shr1mp (idk why)
well he is secondary caller so you're not wrong. he just isn't igl
peetherium [#240]well he is secondary caller so you're not wrong. he just isn't igl
So they should/have already cut hanche and see how the new people do before any descisions, got it
Jayde [#241]So they should/have already cut hanche and see how the new people do before any descisions, got it
pretty much. very big possibility they replace some ppl we don't expect though depending on who they decide to try to sell. the fact they got 3 new ppl that are potentially going to get playtime means that anything can happen
peetherium [#239]I hope they all get playtime tbh i'm curious to see how they do before they make any 2026 roster decisions
Yoo hello peetherium :3
Jayde [#233]Might be surprising but delb had the worst rating in all of playoffs (not saying they should remove him but if u wanna make chamges he would be one of the 2 id look at)
Mmmmmm I didnโt know that, it certainly could be a promising move then especially if AG finds some shooters.
Nvm he igl heโs going nowhere
Hello fellow CN enjoyer. I donโt know if you are watching but DRG T1an looks very solid (idk, I just like good initiator players, especially on scan) and Rachel is unironically looking like a pretty top Chinese Yoru (kinda funny bc SpiritZ1 is number one and theyโre both DRG). Wonder if EDG academy can impress. Verse is also looking solid.
Kaust [#247]Isnโt EDG Xyu the guy who you said was AGโs academy player
xyu is a streamer and was NTER's roster in 2022.He was some times Asian server ranking top1.Except the pros, he may be the best sova player in china.
Kaust [#247]Isnโt EDG Xyu the guy who you said was AGโs academy player
no now all play for edg is streamer
aspassonjiezounb [#248]xyu is a streamer and was NTER's roster in 2022.He was some times Asian server ranking top1.Except the pros, he may be the best sova player in china.
Oi must have misremembered
XYLITOL_WU [#249]no now all play for edg is streamer
My bad, not quite kept up with everything CN to that extent (kinda hard tbh)
Kaust [#251]My bad, not quite kept up with everything CN to that extent (kinda hard tbh)
btw knyzl is the only academy player.
natsu is former tyloo cs player the igl, and coach, now edg's only main content creator.
nait is chinese tiktok streamer born in 2006
maozi7 was the teammate with kristal and happywei
aspassonjiezounb [#252]btw knyzl is the only academy player.
natsu is former tyloo cs player the igl, and coach, now edg's only main content creator.
nait is chinese tiktok streamer born in 2006
maozi7 was the teammate with kristal and happywei
Knyzi did not impress me
Kaust [#247]Isnโt EDG Xyu the guy who you said was AGโs academy player
was. he's been chilling since 2022. i say he's "former ag academy" kinda as a meme but he's still currently probably one of the best players to be affiliated with them at one point
peetherium [#254]was. he's been chilling since 2022. i say he's "former ag academy" kinda as a meme but he's still currently probably one of the best players to be affiliated with them at one point
I see I see, EDG really does love having a bit of fun during friendly tournies, wonder why they didnโt just field five academy players.
Kaust [#255]I see I see, EDG really does love having a bit of fun during friendly tournies, wonder why they didnโt just field five academy players.
maybe the age restriction if that applies to EVO since it's a part of vct cn
XYLITOL_WU [#258]
Leav3u on the come-up ๐ค๐ค๐ค
i swear to CHRIST if they get a duelist import i'm going to fucking SCREAM. that alym scare was too shameless
peetherium [#263]i swear to CHRIST if they get a duelist import i'm going to fucking SCREAM. that alym scare was too shameless
peak vct
delighted [#264]peak vct
i will tear off my face if they go english-comming or mixed. ion fw that
peetherium [#265]i will tear off my face if they go english-comming or mixed. ion fw that
u know chinese? how do u have access to their voice comms
delighted [#268]u know chinese? how do u have access to their voice comms
comm videos on douyu
forgot to post here! whoopsies!
so iamqrp WAS a loan from AG academy! added him onto the list. only gives me more confidence in their scouting. i wonder how they're going to handle the rest of the starting roster, considering they were trying to get into contact with fucking ALYM of all people
whats your opinions on k1ra to sentinel. spitfires to smoke, and the addition of iamqrg
chasethefuture [#271]whats your opinions on k1ra to sentinel. spitfires to smoke, and the addition of iamqrg
k1ra on senti's predictable. he's been teetering on it before. spitfires is a bit of a weird one but his mechanical talent's top tier so he should be able to adapt pretty well if he can get his util down. iamqrq was great in ascension, and with Shr1mp looking like he's not going anywhere (I hope. still got a bit to tell though) he's gonna be on a non-initiator role (prolly duelist but we'll see)
them contacting Alym implies they're actively looking for outstanding duelist talent, so this recall might be a response to that
Keep Shr1mp on initiator! Why not? For what reason does AG feel the need to shake it up so much?
Kaust [#273]Keep Shr1mp on initiator! Why not? For what reason does AG feel the need to shake it up so much?
unless they move him onto senti-flex he's probably still most likely going to be the scan player for them. who knows though
peetherium [#274]unless they move him onto senti-flex he's probably still most likely going to be the scan player for them. who knows though
I mean, if K1ra plays senti, there probably wonโt be a need, no? Senti ainโt as good anymore (Cypher and Vyse)
Kaust [#275]I mean, if K1ra plays senti, there probably wonโt be a need, no? Senti ainโt as good anymore (Cypher and Vyse)
ehhh they might go for some shenanigans with double duelist & double sentinel depending on how they read the meta so K1ra flexxing onto duelist might happen, but it's likely that they'll just have the new addition do that for them instead of Shr1mp. so yeah
peetherium [#276]ehhh they might go for some shenanigans with double duelist & double sentinel depending on how they read the meta so K1ra flexxing onto duelist might happen, but it's likely that they'll just have the new addition do that for them instead of Shr1mp. so yeah
Excited to see this team.
Mister peetherium, is a roster of K1ra, f4ngeer, Spitfires, Shr1mp and iamgrq winning it all?
Kaust [#278]Mister peetherium, is a roster of K1ra, f4ngeer, Spitfires, Shr1mp and iamgrq winning it all?
comms situation is weird as shit so i'm skeptical about that unless I see or someone confirms to me that either f4ngeer speaks mandarin or there's adequate english speaking compensation. regardless, the roster is multiple magnitudes better firepower-wise and should be able to punch upward
peetherium [#279]comms situation is weird as shit so i'm skeptical about that unless I see or someone confirms to me that either f4ngeer speaks mandarin or there's adequate english speaking compensation. regardless, the roster is multiple magnitudes better firepower-wise and should be able to punch upward
Let's wait to see their performance!
Kaust [#281]With that being said, what do you think the roles are looking like?
f4ngeer duelist, Kira senti,grq smoke, shr1mp init, spitfires flex.
lovekylin [#282]f4ngeer duelist, Kira senti,grq smoke, shr1mp init, spitfires flex.
Looks like a spicy team
iamgrq was formally announced. Just waiting for F4ngeer and then the starting 5 will basically be official unless something surprising happens
peetherium [#284]iamgrq was formally announced. Just waiting for F4ngeer and then the starting 5 will basically be official unless something surprising happens
W
peetherium [#286]You excited for FPX this season?
YES, i think we are looking crispy and LEGIJA is cooking with the team chemistry
Heard that au1 is a promising prodigy, comms should be good with f4ngeer since they were looking for a chinese <-> russian translator
vctcn_is_the_best [#288]Heard that au1 is a promising prodigy, comms should be good with f4ngeer since they were looking for a chinese <-> russian translator
VCT CN is the best
peetherium [#284]iamgrq was formally announced. Just waiting for F4ngeer and then the starting 5 will basically be official unless something surprising happens
F4ngger's accounts can already be found on various Chinese social platforms; an official announcement seems to be just a matter of time.
peetherium [#279]comms situation is weird as shit so i'm skeptical about that unless I see or someone confirms to me that either f4ngeer speaks mandarin or there's adequate english speaking compensation. regardless, the roster is multiple magnitudes better firepower-wise and should be able to punch upward
k1ra is igl.just kira can speak English fluently
fungame024 [#287]YES, i think we are looking crispy and LEGIJA is cooking with the team chemistry
We are making all 3 internationals this year
vctcn_is_the_best [#288]Heard that au1 is a promising prodigy, comms should be good with f4ngeer since they were looking for a chinese <-> russian translator
isnโt au1 joining tyloo? heard from someone on this site
jax05 [#290]F4ngger's accounts can already be found on various Chinese social platforms; an official announcement seems to be just a matter of time.
the announcements will push the mods to actually update the roster correctly
SkyXD [#295]isnโt au1 joining tyloo? heard from someone on this site
some say tyloo some say ag.
but hear looks like close to ag
SkyXD [#295]isnโt au1 joining tyloo? heard from someone on this site
that was old news. There was a source saying he will be joining tyloo but now it seems he is closer in joining AG in replacement of spitfires
jax05 [#300]ag announcement au1
i don't have weibo notifications on FUCK
YESSSS LET'S GOOOOOOO LET'S GOOOOOOO
F4ngeer also officially announced just now. Active lineup pretty much solidified as far as I know
Pretty sure this makes AG among one the youngest teams in all the leagues?
this split macro is night and day better compared to split 1 last year wtf
peetherium [#303]this split macro is night and day better compared to split 1 last year wtf
Let's go peetherium! You love to see it (:
Hi
AG looks good, but idk if they are cooking or NOVA is just ass, but def an improvement compared to their last year
Best regards
imfromchina [#305]Hi
AG looks good, but idk if they are cooking or NOVA is just ass, but def an improvement compared to their last year
Best regards
the midrounding's been extremely solid. out of the last 7 rounds 5 of them have been free plants
peetherium [#306]the midrounding's been extremely solid. out of the last 7 rounds 5 of them have been free plants
they are so patient and the util is good, i cant believe im saying this but they dont look like a traditional chinese team anymore
imfromchina [#307]they are so patient and the util is good, i cant believe im saying this but they dont look like a traditional chinese team anymore
they look like their crossfire team ngl. extremely drilled and precise calls and movement throughout the map
Sending in the two classics in with the flash to bait on the un-ulted angles for the actual guns brooooooooo THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO PLAY ECOSSSSSSS
peetherium [#311]alright guyyyys don't choooke
all good they remembered that they actually know fundamentals
Kaust [#313]The gamers are gaming
feelsgoodman
apart from the random bullshit NOVA did sometimes it was so fucking good
peetherium [#314]apart from the random bullshit NOVA did sometimes it was so fucking good
Very convincing performance from them
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
It was NOVA but it's one step forward! Now let's see how shit BLG truly is!
peetherium [#317]LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
It was NOVA but it's one step forward! Now let's see how shit BLG truly is!
It's okay, b0l0b0l0 is next
they're always at their best when they don't over complicate. K1ra's calling is so good
WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOINGGGGGG
THEY WERE RIGHT THERE TO GET IT TO 11 WHY ARE YOU DOING STUPID SHIT NOW
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING
I'm fucking crying bro every round they win is from good fundamentals and good scaling. all of these round losses were COMPLETELY avoidable
wait a minute their abyss calling and macro is as good as their split. wtf are they actually GOOD good???? lowk i was expecting some sort of bittersweet opinion but goddamn they seem like they can push for 2nd/3rd seed
yeah they can push for 2nd/3rd it's definitely open. this shit's got me so excited for their next few games
Their abyss & split look actually good. K1ra's midround calling, cutting noise, defaulting, and their willingness to full send execs once they get basic info is genuinely inspiring to see. Their firepower can definitely contend with the best in CN, and it helps that BLG actually offered some resistance in the second half of split. It felt like you could see their confidence boost up after winning that first map. Their calls were much more fluid and their micro wasn't as clunky as when BLG were mounting their comeback. It's a night and day difference and hopefully they can continue this into their game against DRG/JDG. I fully believe they can lock in a 2nd or 3rd seed
if AG can clean up their corrode and pearl micro then they have a very good shot at being at the top internationally. their individuals are great, tactically they're sound, and they have extremely good macro and adequate calling. only thing they need is consistent protocols on maps outside of Split and Abyss and we're gonna have a team that'll be very scary come Santiago or any other international this year
peetherium [#329]THEY MADE A MASTERS. HOLY SHIT THEY MADE A MASTERS
GRATS
peetherium [#329]THEY MADE A MASTERS. HOLY SHIT THEY MADE A MASTERS
Lmao congrats
peetherium [#329]THEY MADE A MASTERS. HOLY SHIT THEY MADE A MASTERS
congrats!!!!!
For the last TWO YEARS I've been parroting the fact that it's not a matter of IF AG will be good, but a matter of WHEN. The previous TWO YEARS of investment, incorporation of unknown ranked talents into their academy system, and a BOTTOM-TO-TOP cultivation of competent coaching and training staff all conglomerated into one of the most disciplined and inspiring rosters tactically in all of China. Holy shit this is exciting
peetherium [#329]THEY MADE A MASTERS. HOLY SHIT THEY MADE A MASTERS
HOLY SHIT
peetherium [#329]THEY MADE A MASTERS. HOLY SHIT THEY MADE A MASTERS
congratss
peetherium [#334]For the last TWO YEARS I've been parroting the fact that it's not a matter of IF AG will be good, but a matter of WHEN. The previous TWO YEARS of investment, incorporation of unknown ranked talents into their academy system, and a BOTTOM-TO-TOP cultivation of competent coaching and training staff all conglomerated into one of the most disciplined and inspiring rosters tactically in all of China. Holy shit this is exciting
Congrats bro, well deserved
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shaggyboy1030 [#340]Damn bro i respect your long term faith towards this team
What real fans look like
peetherium might be on the list of most goated china glazers
peetherium [#348]CMOOOOOON
YOU GOT THIS, WE GOT THIS, ALL GAMERS GOT THIS, CHINA GOT THIS
peetherium [#346]PLEASE GET A MAP PLEASEEEE
HAHAHA W FAN DUDE, they gotta do it for you atp
GambleNats [#351]YOU GOT THIS, WE GOT THIS, ALL GAMERS GOT THIS, CHINA GOT THIS
PLEASE ED101 WE NEED THIS. THE WHOLE REGION NEEDS YOU
SHOW PEOPLE WHY YOU'RE MAINLAND CHINA'S BEST COACH
them getting a series win on their debut would do them so many favors. if they get a deeper run for more experience it would be SO GOOD
FROM LAST IN SPLIT 1 LAST YEAR TO TOP 6 AT SANTIAGO LFGGGGGGGGGGG
MY TEAMMMMM
MY FUCKING TEAMMMM
xSaneZ [#360]PEETHERIUM YOU ARE THE GOAT
NO THEY'RE THE GOATS HOLY SHIT I CAN'T BELIEVE IT
I ACTUALLY CAN'T BELIEVE IT WTF AM I WATCHING
Typer [#358]My goat Kira
OUR GOAT
FROM AG ACADEMY IN 2024 TO TOP 6 AT A MASTERS
peetherium [#362]NO THEY'RE THE GOATS HOLY SHIT I CAN'T BELIEVE IT
I ACTUALLY CAN'T BELIEVE IT WTF AM I WATCHING
Dude idk if you remember but I remember last year replying to you that I feel like AG know what they're doing and will be really good in the future
Now holy shit look at them now
xSaneZ [#364]Dude idk if you remember but I remember last year replying to you that I feel like AG know what they're doing and will be really good in the future
Now holy shit look at them now
i thought their academy pipeline would take an extra year or two to consolidate the talent and coaching staff needed to sustain long-term good performance
their CF team took around that amount of time to start dominating
it only took them 1
peetherium [#365]i thought their academy pipeline would take an extra year or two to consolidate the talent and coaching staff needed to sustain long-term good performance
their CF team took around that amount of time to start dominating
it only took them 1
Dude how tf is Kira is this good, it is actually crazy. He is calling too no??
peetherium [#361]FROM LAST IN SPLIT 1 LAST YEAR TO TOP 6 AT SANTIAGO LFGGGGGGGGGGG
MY TEAMMMMM
MY FUCKING TEAMMMM
most loyal ag fan im so happy for you
I have nothing of analytical value from that all I can say is that the Pearl was a NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE. after that map (+ the first half of bind) their util usage was immaculate and teamplay was far above what they were demonstrating in the past series. if they can keep this up they can definitely maintain this form into the next game and (possibly) put up either an extremely good fight or just win. they got over that hump, and now if ed101 can consolidate the lessons today for the future then they have a bright future ahead of them
xSaneZ [#366]Dude how tf is Kira is this good, it is actually crazy. He is calling too no??
FULLLL IGL
born and bred in the AG academy system!
YesMyMahiru [#371]THEY ARE SO GOATED FOR COMING BACK FROM 2-8 TO 13-8
whatever ed101 did in the background after that G2 game needs to go down in history
asunaluvr [#373]wow WE are so good lets goo AG !!!
and satan himself enters my thread
peetherium [#374]and satan himself enters my thread
๐ฟ๐ฟ
u should be thanking me
I really hope they do really well this Masters, especially after their first win. I mean I cheer for a different team, but I wish they could make top top 3 for the sake of CN league and their fans.
asunaluvr [#375]๐ฟ๐ฟ
u should be thanking me
I would not praise a young child for killing a cockroach in my fridge by dismembering it
peetherium [#377]I would not praise a young child for killing a cockroach in my fridge by dismembering it
its 12:30 am i cant understand that
but whatever
sorry that ur upset with me
wasnt meant like that ๐ฟ๐ฟ
Garam3 [#376]I really hope they do really well this Masters, especially after their first win. I mean I cheer for a different team, but I wish they could make top top 3 for the sake of CN league and their fans.
The thing that in my mind makes this different compared to the other times a cn team went on a run is that AG actually have depth (whenever they're not throwing that is). Their individual util is genuinely good and their teamplay is solid. Sure their macro is very clunky but with how AG handles their mappool it's not a stretch to say that they'll have more maps like Split in the near future
asunaluvr [#378]its 12:30 am i cant understand that
but whatever
sorry that ur upset with me
wasnt meant like that ๐ฟ๐ฟ
im not upset. i'm just not praising you for dooming a mentally ill child to death (M8)
peetherium [#381]Hoping for a win, but I'm happy if we get a good game to remember
i'm happy about ag's performance but i would rather have prx going further
sw4gman [#383]wake up bud we got a game
Wouldn't miss this for the world
peetherium [#384]FUCKING GREAT START LFGGGGG
GET THAT TOP 4
LET'S GOOO
for the first time in 3 years I'm changing my flair, I'm too impressed
G-fucking-gs. I got what I wanted: a good series to end off their run
CINEMA tourney run from them. This shit is their Masters Tokyo. They WILL learn from this and be back for London and Shanghai. They are BY FAR the best team in the history of CN valorant in terms of protocols and macro. With ed101's clear hard work and the players soaking up improvement like sponges, as long as they don't mentally crumble then they'll be in good hands.
Exciting year for CN
happy for ag and happy for u, they look promising! So much potential for this team
mojhito5 [#390]ggs man f4ngeer's him
He's by far the BEST "system" player I've ever seen in terms of solo carry potential. They don't even set him up for anything he just is able to pop off when needed. Unfortunately there were clear issues by the end of this series but outside of that everything else was so good from all of them to enable his own individual performances
peetherium [#392]He's by far the BEST "system" player I've ever seen in terms of solo carry potential. They don't even set him up for anything he just is able to pop off when needed. Unfortunately there were clear issues by the end of this series but outside of that everything else was so good from all of them to enable his own individual performances
i agree he's amazing
tram2684 [#391]happy for ag and happy for u, they look promising! So much potential for this team
The potential was always reliant on their coaching staff. I thought Fire3 stepping down last year would hinder their development for a while but ed101 is very competent in his own right and obviously is on-par with the best western coaches. Within the span of TWO DAYS their general macro ability went from terrible-to-decent-to-great. And it's all literally because of him and the staff's constant emphasis on fundamental practice.
It's insane to think how good they'll be if given a few more months if no problems happen
hopefully no burn out when they're back after santiago like a lotta teams after masters 1, china looks to be more competitive regionally
corrode pick was a surprise, mustve had that in the kitchen, util was on point till pearl. They looked tilted during split
sw4gman [#395]hopefully no burn out when they're back after santiago like a lotta teams after masters 1, china looks to be more competitive regionally
corrode pick was a surprise, mustve had that in the kitchen, util was on point till pearl. They looked tilted during split
The main reason why they'll (probably) not be like that is because AG have one of the best org structures in all of the franchise leagues. Their improvement was not (in most part at least) due to individual forms or popoff moments (like wolves). They had a diverse map pool where they have more than two maps they're competent on (unlike Trace). They have clear foundational roots that far surpass other Chinese teams in terms of competency and ability to achieve long-term results.
I don't wanna jinx but I'd like to believe that AG will be different. Bias aside I truly like how competent the ORG actually is in other games, and I think Valorant will go very much the same way
sw4gman [#395]hopefully no burn out when they're back after santiago like a lotta teams after masters 1, china looks to be more competitive regionally
corrode pick was a surprise, mustve had that in the kitchen, util was on point till pearl. They looked tilted during split
I don't think it'll be a huge problem, they got quite some time to cool down
I didn't think they would take a map against PRX (I went to bed and missed the Corrode game FUCK)
I really hope they can come back stronger, they are looking really promising and if they don't mess up their management (yeah I'm talking about Wolves) then we might see them in London and Shanghai again
Hope they do well back domestically!
peetherium [#389]G-fucking-gs. I got what I wanted: a good series to end off their run
CINEMA tourney run from them. This shit is their Masters Tokyo. They WILL learn from this and be back for London and Shanghai. They are BY FAR the best team in the history of CN valorant in terms of protocols and macro. With ed101's clear hard work and the players soaking up improvement like sponges, as long as they don't mentally crumble then they'll be in good hands.
Exciting year for CN
if k1ra can learn neon or waylay and grq plays more smokes then they have serious potential
would obviously have to delegate some of the calling to someone else if heโs perma entry but grq is mad inconsistent on duelist
ultimately inexperience fucked them over in the end and thereโs so much hope for this team as a representative of cn
YesMyMahiru [#398]I didn't think they would take a map against PRX (I went to bed and missed the Corrode game FUCK)
I really hope they can come back stronger, they are looking really promising and if they don't mess up their management (yeah I'm talking about Wolves) then we might see them in London and Shanghai again
Hope they do well back domestically!
management-wise they are probably the BEST org in CN. I truly can't see any fuckups that other teams have had in the region happening to them. Their current GM AND training director were involved in their crossfire team that have dominated for literal years atp. They have every piece needed to secure their position
poggpigg [#400]ntnt ๐ฟ
we just need more international experience
and they WILL get that. Once london comes around we're going to see a completely rejuvenated team. Mark OUR words
inuis [#399]if k1ra can learn neon or waylay and grq plays more smokes then they have serious potential
would obviously have to delegate some of the calling to someone else if heโs perma entry but grq is mad inconsistent on duelist
ultimately inexperience fucked them over in the end and thereโs so much hope for this team as a representative of cn
K1ra and iamgrq's flexibility is the sole reason why they structured the team this way. It's less that they need to be kept on certain roles and more that they need to be more comfortable and get used to the protocols. They both have good moments on both roles and it all depends on K1ra's comfortability. If anything it's likely that they'll double down on this structure and just hone it to a T
Can someone tell me what happened to their player named bugatti or something
Bhrubby [#404]Can someone tell me what happened to their player named bugatti or something
not on Q9 atm so either he's still not of-age or he got dropped from their academy
peetherium [#403]K1ra and iamgrq's flexibility is the sole reason why they structured the team this way. It's less that they need to be kept on certain roles and more that they need to be more comfortable and get used to the protocols. They both have good moments on both roles and it all depends on K1ra's comfortability. If anything it's likely that they'll double down on this structure and just hone it to a T
from what i saw from cn and this tournament grq did just look objectively better on smokes than on duelist and i feel like to get the most out of him it would require k1ra to learn other dives well, i just feel like its a bit of a liability to have grq drop stinkers on duelist when hes so capable on smokes
inuis [#406]from what i saw from cn and this tournament grq did just look objectively better on smokes than on duelist and i feel like to get the most out of him it would require k1ra to learn other dives well, i just feel like its a bit of a liability to have grq drop stinkers on duelist when hes so capable on smokes
true but that's more of a symptom of their mappool than anything. they have good ideas on pearl but their executions all-around are finicky. grq on neon was fine, and his performance on smokes in the last series was just not up to scratch. however, it was the same case for everyone else on the team. their lack of tangible gameplay was due to the ENTIRE team fumbling on protocols in important moments (yes even F4ngeer)
It's important to note that in ed101's eyes flexibility > all. all of their problems can be fixed via drilling and fixing execution on their theory. once they get more practice with this experience I fully believe the stinkers we saw will be more rare
jax05 [#408]a interesting truth
ag's manger is ase's manger before
you talking about AaronO? he was AG's CF manager during their 2024-25 season though? or was he ASE's manager during 2023?
peetherium [#410]you talking about AaronO? he was AG's CF manager during their 2024-25 season though? or was he ASE's manager during 2023?
is master. master is ase manger in 2023
peetherium [#410]you talking about AaronO? he was AG's CF manager during their 2024-25 season though? or was he ASE's manager during 2023?
master bring up kr1a and he choice to send grq to aq. and when ewc ag was intersting in f4ngeer and them try out marteen timotino alexiiik purp0 and so on. He really tried his best.it's a typical case of achieving big results with little money.(jax05 also is me One account I log in on my mobile, one account I log in on my computer)
jax05 [#411]is master. master is ase manger in 2023
alr that makes sense. isn't he also the training director for AG's valorant mobile division?
XYLITOL_WU [#412]master bring up kr1a and he choice to send grq to aq. and when ewc ag was intersting in f4ngeer and them try out marteen timotino alexiiik purp0 and so on. He really tried his best.it's a typical case of achieving big results with little money.(jax05 also is me One account I log in on my mobile, one account I log in on my computer)
hello GOAT
So master is indeed the money baller! That provides better insight on how they've been having so much success in their systems. Any word on Q9 or who's in their academy for this season?
peetherium [#413]alr that makes sense. isn't he also the training director for AG's valorant mobile division?
i think he's also in charge of the mobile , because in the interview, he said 'I'm responsible for the entire Valorant project.' He seems to be overseeing a pretty broad scope.
peetherium [#414]hello GOAT
So master is indeed the money baller! That provides better insight on how they've been having so much success in their systems. Any word on Q9 or who's in their academy for this season?
nope :)
China T2 is a really really chaos
jax05 [#416]nope :)
China T2 is a really really chaos
rip guess we'll see when they compete in the tournaments
peetherium [#394]The potential was always reliant on their coaching staff. I thought Fire3 stepping down last year would hinder their development for a while but ed101 is very competent in his own right and obviously is on-par with the best western coaches. Within the span of TWO DAYS their general macro ability went from terrible-to-decent-to-great. And it's all literally because of him and the staff's constant emphasis on fundamental practice.
It's insane to think how good they'll be if given a few more months if no problems happen
Yep I have serious hope for this team, I think they could even by secondary effect help develop the rest of the CN region because atm no one else is really punishing the bad fundamentals of a lot of the teams - I can see AG becoming very dominant in CN with the kind of support system they have in place and the lessons they have learnt from this masters, I just hope they don't default back to the usual CN slop and stick to what they know is right (even if it doesnt work at first)
I'm not sure if you've seen the VALO2ASIA conference after AG's loss, but K1ra shows that he understands exactly what they need to do and what they've done wrong, he honestly seems like a very good IGL and tactically understands the strats that other teams are running and WHY they do them.
xSaneZ [#419]Yep I have serious hope for this team, I think they could even by secondary effect help develop the rest of the CN region because atm no one else is really punishing the bad fundamentals of a lot of the teams - I can see AG becoming very dominant in CN with the kind of support system they have in place and the lessons they have learnt from this masters, I just hope they don't default back to the usual CN slop and stick to what they know is right (even if it doesnt work at first)
I'm not sure if you've seen the VALO2ASIA conference after AG's loss, but K1ra shows that he understands exactly what they need to do and what they've done wrong, he honestly seems like a very good IGL and tactically understands the strats that other teams are running and WHY they do them.
Probably why they developed him into an igl and scrapped deLb. K1ra is very moldable and is obviously intent on absorbing as much practical knowledge as possible. The project is grassroots in terms of how they're trying to uplift their own domestic talent from the bottom-up, and it's cool to see it in action with the very players on the main team focusing on improving their floor.
It's a trap that a lot of CN teams fall into after improving imo. Trace, Wolves, and FPX all tried to double down into strategies and habits that allowed them to reach the heights they did. However, they all didn't seriously try to clean up the aspects of their gameplay that made them fall short in the first place. Whether it's from a lack of understanding or tunnel vision idk, but (at least from what we've seen) AG do NOT intend on making those same mistakes.
They understand that the first step in improving is to not make mistakes, and that's something EVERYONE saw in their game-by-game improvements. They went from not being proactive, to being proactive, to then making mistakes from that resulting proactivity (Pearl is a big example). It's going to be a work in progress, but (hopefully) they know that and are focusing on trusting the process like they have been for the last 2 years.
I don't expect them to light the world on fire at London, but just seeing them improve and take complete advantage of their opportunities is all we need to see that they're going to be DANGEROUS in the future
Au1 to Rare Atom and Septem7 back to igl and playing with the main team?
FUCK IT
unc still got it!
also more $$$$$$ from these t1 and t2 orgs ๐ค
peetherium [#421]Au1 to Rare Atom and Septem7 back to igl and playing with the main team?
FUCK IT
unc still got it!also more $$$$$$ from these t1 and t2 orgs ๐ค
I am scared ๐ฟ
does unc really have it in him?
poggpigg [#422]I am scared ๐ฟ
does unc really have it in him?
I don't wanna count my toots before the horn or whatever the saying is, but their macro and setplays are looking pretty good. gotta see once they're ever forced to midround but the prematch calling's looking good
peetherium [#423]I don't wanna count my toots before the horn or whatever the saying is, but their macro and setplays are looking pretty good. gotta see once they're ever forced to midround but the prematch calling's looking good
itโs looking solid
uncle seems to be avoiding gunfights, thatโs probably the best thing he can do
i just dislike seeing k1ra cypher
poggpigg [#424]itโs looking solid
uncle seems to be avoiding gunfights, thatโs probably the best thing he can do
i just dislike seeing k1ra cypher
K1ra's lurks and post-plant swings are extremely polished. weird seeing a superstar on sentinel but it makes sense if iamgrq isn't fumbling on neon & f4ngeer has someone to bait on entry. next best thing for him to be on.
septem7 doing what FNS failed to do and is trying his damn hardest to not be a walking ult orb looool
peetherium [#425]K1ra's lurks and post-plant swings are extremely polished. weird seeing a superstar on sentinel but it makes sense if iamgrq isn't fumbling on neon & f4ngeer has someone to bait on entry. next best thing for him to be on.
septem7 doing what FNS failed to do and is trying his damn hardest to not be a walking ult orb looool
unc avoiding them gunfights like the plague ๐ฅนโ๏ธ
under prepped defense-side breeze & an undercooked gekko comp on bind, but they closed it out even with those stipulations. good to see Septem7's abilities as an igl not be under fire. they looked really polished on lotus & their mid-match adjustments on atk breeze were serviceable
great to witness TEC look good. seems like AfteR can possibly showcase his competency this year. they might be the darlings of CN this split if they keep playing like this & net some essential wins. there's a world where they qualify and get a win or two in playoffs
They promoted another guy (Jason) to the main team's assistant coach, so Septem7 is probably just gonna be the main igl for the rest of the split lol
we'll see how this goes ๐คฃ
AHHHHHH
Man, I don't know what got into me there! It was almost like my pancreas was ripped out of my side!
AHHHHHH
Well I wasn't able to watch the match live but I watched the vid and that shit was worse than the TEC game. I still believe TEC isn't as bad as ppl make them out to be but the quality dipping down so much after that point against FPX is worrrrrryyyyyiiiing me! I still believe they'll turn it around but this shit went from maintaining good form to damage control REAL quick.
#KeepPureForGlory
#PleaseForTheLoveOfGod
#HolyShitEveryoneIsGonnaCallThemFrauds
#OhMyLord
peetherium [#429]AHHHHHH
Man, I don't know what got into me there! It was almost like my pancreas was ripped out of my side!
AHHHHHHWell I wasn't able to watch the match live but I watched the vid and that shit was worse than the TEC game. I still believe TEC isn't as bad as ppl make them out to be but the quality dipping down so much after that point against FPX is worrrrrryyyyyiiiing me! I still believe they'll turn it around but this shit went from maintaining good form to damage control REAL quick.
#KeepPureForGlory
#PleaseForTheLoveOfGod
#HolyShitEveryoneIsGonnaCallThemFrauds
#OhMyLord
all the players were sick, allg, try again next week
GambleNats [#430]all the players were sick, allg, try again next week
I'm not coping with that PRIMARILY so I don't become disappointed later if they can't stifle the bleeding. Their group is pretty competitive RN and the prospect of them not locking a top 3 seed is making me worry a decent bit
Youze officially promoted. Idk if he's replacing Septem or filling in for the sick though. Haven't been updating on the status but from pure roles he seems like an ACTUAL Au1 replacement
New duelist off of loan, K1ra back on igl & hard fragging on sentinel, and all look reinvigorated now that they're not sick. Not much to say. They look good. Slow start for Youze but he'll probably pick it up. Thank GOD they had an of-age duelist player with thumbs available for promotion so we weren't stuck with Septem for a whole split
peetherium [#433]New duelist off of loan, K1ra back on igl & hard fragging on sentinel, and all look reinvigorated now that they're not sick. Not much to say. They look good. Slow start for Youze but he'll probably pick it up. Thank GOD they had an of-age duelist player with thumbs available for promotion so we weren't stuck with Septem for a whole split
and today?
Youze is getting more comfortable... slowly... but surely. The lotus are as drilled as should be expected from them, and the bind was pleasant. The way they play is very much centered around making Youze hard entry and to maximize his space making as much as humanly possible. Even if he's not fragging the fact that their execs are this polished is a good sign that their structure can potentially take them far into playoffs even with the setbacks this split previously.
There's an argument to be made that their game against BLG was off the backs of a rare good Youze game and a F4ngeer life game, but personally it seems more like a product of their system enabling these performances. They take advantage of and play in advantageous positions extremely well on both Lotus and Bind. It helps that they rolled over BLG on individual duels, but considering it happened mostly in clutches during postplants it wasn't like they were getting carried with dry aim duels alone during the length of most rounds.
Considering how weak their breeze was before, I'm not sure if these two strong maps (+ haven) will make enough of a difference against EDG XLG & TYL, but it should be competent enough for them to go far in playoffs regardless of if they secure 1st or 2nd seed. Hopefully they can carry this momentum and cook.
Bai is back. He's been doing pretty well in tier 2 so it's not a surprise. Hopefully he does well enough for AG to benefit from this
Top 4 guaranteed. Surprisingly well thought out fracture macro and their split is good. Haven was weird with the comp but they worked around it well on attack. If they can buff out the kinks with the idea on defense then they have a good thing going for them. DRG is going to be a big test on whether or not they can curb their momentum. Bai not going ultra negative is an upgrade for sure but hopefully he can perform better. Things are looking good!
peetherium [#439]Bai is back. He's been doing pretty well in tier 2 so it's not a surprise. Hopefully he does well enough for AG to benefit from this
Just to confirm Bai was part of the AG academy system right?
xSaneZ [#442]Just to confirm Bai was part of the AG academy system right?
was loaned to ODG to my knowledge. he was only with them for the single national competition before getting recalled
Unfortunately, no London for them. Haven was a complete shitfest at the final half and a total misrepresentation for how they've been playing on it up to that point. Their execution on their ideas wasn't polished and DRG ran through them because of that. The attack half was a complete embarrassment.
Top 4 ain't bad considering how the split's gone overall (roster being sick during the first super week n all) but nothing can really excuse the bad performance at the end. Ed101 still maintains a good record though and faith is still here that he'll be able to come up with some good map reads and structure to support them into split 2.
Now that their hopes of showing their abilities at another masters is crushed it'll be interesting to see how the lineup goes. While having taller highs than Youze (which is not saying much) Bai still performed relatively mediocre and there's the argument that their 5th slot needs to get figured out. I hope he stays considering his main issue is consistency and knowing how Spitfires went that could be something easily remedied, but knowing them they might rally behind another young talent that has insane stats like Au1. Speaking of him, there's still the possibility of Au1 coming back, but I'm not holding my breath.
Hello, more K1ra duelist please the guy is kinda mid on Cypher and honestly either make the 5th slot a dedicated IGL or have K1ra IGL from Raze or whatever
Kaust [#445]Hello, more K1ra duelist please the guy is kinda mid on Cypher and honestly either make the 5th slot a dedicated IGL or have K1ra IGL from Raze or whatever
K1ra is obviously more comfortable on duelist than sentinel, but you can't really blame them from trying to wane off of it on certain maps where Raze is suboptimal in their eyes. Honestly the entire split was just really inconvenient for how they wanted to mesh out the roles and Youze initially under performing didn't really help either.
peetherium [#446]K1ra is obviously more comfortable on duelist than sentinel, but you can't really blame them from trying to wane off of it on certain maps where Raze is suboptimal in their eyes. Honestly the entire split was just really inconvenient for how they wanted to mesh out the roles and Youze initially under performing didn't really help either.
Unironically he has been mediocre on both recently but we can attribute that to him IGLing. I do personally want to see a bit of a better agent pool from him though because I do genuinely think he could be the best player on the roster even if grq is in impervious form, Shr1mp is very solid, and f4ngeer is f4ngeer. Also feel like the team lacks maturity, tilts quite a bit, and is a tad toxic.
Kaust [#447]Unironically he has been mediocre on both recently but we can attribute that to him IGLing. I do personally want to see a bit of a better agent pool from him though because I do genuinely think he could be the best player on the roster even if grq is in impervious form, Shr1mp is very solid, and f4ngeer is f4ngeer. Also feel like the team lacks maturity, tilts quite a bit, and is a tad toxic.
Eh the team's (literally) young. All of them have an extreme lack of experience as far as being veterans in the scene goes and they all have room to grow. And with how solid the current core three + F4ngeer are it's really only a matter of time until they buff out their minor issues. IMO I'm thankful that they're experiencing this dip in results now instead of split 2 where it arguably decides their year (and careers) even more than the current one.
peetherium [#448]Eh the team's (literally) young. All of them have an extreme lack of experience as far as being veterans in the scene goes and they all have room to grow. And with how solid the current core three + F4ngeer are it's really only a matter of time until they buff out their minor issues. IMO I'm thankful that they're experiencing this dip in results now instead of split 2 where it arguably decides their year (and careers) even more than the current one.
Yeah the fact that their most experienced player is Shr1mp is a bit wild. High potential roster with some things to figure out but I trust coaching staff and if they could pull out a promising young IGL, then more power to them.
Zhubibi subbing for FPX in EWC qualifiers
Is this another loan opportunity? ๐ค๐ค๐ค
bind is still rough but yeah theyre clicking elsewhere. k1ra diff honestly, calling seems stable enough. international is a reach but if they keep this energy theyre at least not a free win in group stage
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