I never saw a draft choked that mush
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Thats insane, dont do that and let them concentrate on their game... Even worse it makes us wait longer to see the game start
PS : congrats for your topic, it's good that some people think and speak about this one and even if I disagree I'm glad you did !
Thats the question i'm torturing myself with, as far as I would love a german org, I can see some problem wish that :
PRX, DRX and GEN will probably take the spots, then anything depend on if RRQ can make top 4 in APAC playoffs, if they cant, then Fraud1 will take the last spot with point, with 2 8th place on a raw.
Going top 2 for DFM and NS is not at 0% but is really low (Like... 5% each ?)
Here is what should be done :
5 regions : 12 team in each regions, 8 partner, 4 ascended
No T2 region (beside China) can have more than 3 ascended team
Best T2 teams are allowed to participate into qualification for international event (Has Faria did propose, wish will give more incentive to invest into T2)
The 5 region are Americas (We cant have more teams), China, and then since APAC is so huge, and increasing in term of val player, the war in Russia will end one day, and West and south Asia is rising, and Africa wil join one day or another, we will end one day or another we will need 1 region more in Eurasia, especially since they are so many market that are not represented (OCE, CIS!, MENA, VN, Africa in 10 years), this will not happen in 2027, but I bet in 2031 we will go to 5 regions
Americas 30 % of playerbase (excluding China)
China
Pacific 20 % of playerbase (excluding China)
Asia 20 % of playerbase (excluding China)
Europe (EU+TR) 30 % of playerbase (excluding China)
As you see, I didnt put CIS and MENA somewhere, that need to be determinated, both from geopolitcal and balance metrics, thats why both EMEA and Asia have « TBD », but at least one of them will have to join Asia because for the moment Europe is far bigger than Asia.
Kickoffs :
16 teams (Bracket is way better with 16 teams), the 12 T1 teams plus the 4 winner of T2
Top 3 qualified
Masters 1, 16 teams :
Split 1 :
Masters 2, 16 teams :
Split 2 :
Champ, 20 teams or 24 teams
I'm sorry my bro but I disagree with a lot you said here, even if I agree on the most important part : what we need to target.
To resume it fastly, you basically you want 6 region wish is basically going to 16 teams instead of 12 with extra step.
First not giving the same treatment to EMEA to Americas even if EMEA have a bigger payerpool than Amer make no sense. (At least make EU vs TR+MENA+CIS)
Second, putting 2 more team in South Americas and North Americas a first sounds like a good idea, I even made 3 video talking about going to 16 teams for every region ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Yi7oKDdR8 americas one), but more I think about it, more I've changed my mind, if you add more NA teams or more SA team, you are just gonna make the slice of the cake thinner and diluting the level. The only reason it could be a good thing to add more team, is that if you want to give a chance to a market that have no team in Tier 1 yet and that you will loose on long term if not (Just replace LEV by E-xolos/Lyon/6K and we are good since only LAN isnt represented), if you want to talk about the ping problem, they their could have solution and location that could solve it, but thats a long subject (Yeah, they are a way, for T1 team to be in a location where they will both scrim NA and BR team with 40ping)
3rd, "No "ascension" teams, if you're bottom 2 in the region, you get sent to ascension no matter the org or team"
Thats actually an horrible idea, and make best region snowball on smaller one, Japanese team would simply disapear and create a snowball effect. Plus you would also loose a lot of investor. The current system partner + ascention is the best one, we have both the stability of a closed league and the storytelling of cinderela teams. The current main problem is that they are too mush partner and not enough ascention team, that lead to a good team that could be relegated. But this can be solve by just changing the nbumber of partner team as Faria did proposed.
4th, problem the team that you picked in Asia, Asia is arguably the only region in the world that currently need more team, for 2 reason : They are the most competitive one, and they are some market that are NOT represented in Tier 1. The main problem in Asia is that we don’t have Oceanian team in APAC despite having a lot of descent player that are forced to be imports in other region.
5th, Champions Stage (24 teams):
With your system, they are 48 team in teir 1, you cant make a champions where half of team are qualified.
Other problem about format, I like 4 group of 6, but if you qualify top 4, the last game will be only seeding games wish is no importance, instead you should do top 2 go in winner bracket, mid 2 go in lower bracket, so we keep stakes until the last game
6th, "In terms of import rules, some regions will get the hong kong/taiwan treatment, where because of geographical, political, cultural, or other reasons"
I can agree with that, but are you sure Kazakh and Uzbeck play on Asian server ? It seems the EMEA server are always the clothes (Mumbai, may be the only exception). The best exemple is Russia, some player dont hjave the choice and have to play on Japan, (They even have a specific Japan EMEA server), I think in case of Russia, only player that have 50 % (Could be 80 % if you want hire) of their game in Japan have to be counted as Asian
7th "Additionally, some north/central american countries like mexico or dominican republic would be non import for both na and sa, bc a mexican team technically would be part of na"
No they are a part of Latin America north, not part of NA, we don’t need to change the T2 boundary, they are good as it is, no need to give the Taiwan treatment there, SouthAm is weak enough, to cut them LAN T2 region. To be fair, if I would listen to my mind I would go even further and be even more restrictive on the import policy, and consider any T1 team is bound to a Tier2, and have to have at least 3 players from that T2 to preserve structure identity and not end as Leviantan or GE. In Europe it will depend on what you consider a T2 since we have EMEA master that is now the real T2.
8th "Overall, I want the regions to feel more geographically, competitively, and culturally balanced"
Your goal are noble and I agree with it. But the prescription you gave will make things worse, EMEA will be more competitive because the talent will be diluted elsewhere while Americas will become the weakest region. Japan will totally disappear of the surface of Valorant globe with the end of Partner.
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Some playerbase statistics (excluding China and Africa)
EU : 23,4 % (5T2 cumulated, CIS inside)
TR : 6,4 %
MENA : 1 % (Regularly increasing)
CIS (It’s hard to estimate CIS, last time i’ve check it seems it was currently around 5 %, but it will be really higher, the day they have their own T2 and premier region, I’ll come back with more recent datas)
Africa : (No data, but will be a HUGE market to consider in the future, I don’t know why they dont have a premier region even if they have server)
NA : 13,5 % (Regularly decreasing)
LAN : 2,9 %
LAS : 6,2 %
BR : 7,8 %
KR : 12,1 % (Regularly increasing)
JP : 4,8 %
OCE 1,9 % (Dying because no T1 team)
SEA : 12,9 % (Slightly underrated by the metrics)
SA : 7,1 % (Regularly increasing)
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Bruh, with MENA uprising and CIS that will come back to war EMEA will be bigger than Americas, if you want 6 region don't split Americas and split EMEA instead, without CIS and MENA Europe have already more player than Americas x)
EU vs TR+CIS ??
ive lived in Paris for 10 years, have a passport, visa, and am of Paris heritage
You can disrespect French flag as mush as you can, as long as you dont disrespect the people.
People have right, idea doesnt :3
"On paper this team looks pretty good, like they should at least be 4th best team in EMEA. But why do they always look so mid?"
Why this sentence works for any FR team ???
An academy cant be an ascention team by bro (They can ONLY If they have 3 GC player)
"Just because they are above them right now and NS guaranteed to make playoffs, doesn't mean that they will also make it."
I already saw a team in Yellow and the team under them being green, look at APAC
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2025/Pacific_League/Stage_2
It's not a problem to have a team in a better color and being classed under
M8 will be 0-5 against any team even an Iron team because of mental. They have the level to be top 6 EMEA but... Mental
S just don't have a scenario where they can drop below 4th.
Thats why i'm saying "If NS is assured to be top 4 then RRQ would have been yellow, but maybe they did a mistake"
Wasnt she innocent ? (And just accused of being "weird")
Weirdly enough, Flor, Urango and Molsi, I don't need to protect player that are already successful
(But to be honest I prefer talk about structural things than individual players)
No I won't show you my pussy, she is too cute to be exposed on the internet
It's like tilting, you just have to mental reset
If NS is assured to be top 4 then RRQ would have been yellow, but they could have made a mistake, I admit.
Liquipedia disagree with youI think they are a risk of triangular ith RRQ and TS if TS win (I would be glad if both BME and NS manage to go to asc)
Playoffs got a weird threshold, you got 0 point for a win, the first point you get is when you secure top 4 (you got directly 3pt), when you secure top 3 it's 4pt, and if you secure top 2 well... You dont need CP anymore
XY and SM got so many good ideas, Mega's where great, story has potential, but people complained about "not having enough new pokemon", while they were so many mega they loved to compensate, SM got the vibe and top 2 story tied with BW story, after 2 really serious generation (And 4 really serious games) we just needed vacancy and SM/USUM deliver it perfectly
No, if NS loose and they win, they end before them
In that case they just need DFM and TS to not make top 4
ZETA, GE and TS will end with less point that Boom (TS has still a chance, but nah, they wont go top 4 in the region), they just need either NS or DFM to end behind then and meet the "Top 8 in point" criteria
Option 1 :
Option 2 :
Boom can still finish before NS, at least one of Chinese team will qual without go to asc (It would need a planet alignement to not happen) and the 2nd one will go to Asc, I agree on the other
At least half of Ascention team will defend their spot in Ascention
It will happen at some point but it's too early too say. The goat will shine for like... 10 years, and Val is only 5
I agree fun is important (but really subjective)
I can understand if what you like in pokemon is gotta catch them all, then USUM might be your fav version, make sens in that part (I admit this was probably the part I dont like the most in poke)
Thanks for your answer !
You were 11 YO when sword and sheild release so that's explain your take (Your opinion is fully understandable), I bet you started with SM (Or SwSh), or maybe ORAS
I recommend you to test BW1, BW2, XY, ORAS if you want to have the big picture, and if you already did it, or you want to see what truly is a postleague, and you are not afraid to old graphics, you can even try the 3G-4G tetralogy and see for example in emerald what is a good postleague (Something we didn't had since this period)
I don't recommend you to test 1G and 2G games the graphism didn't age well compared to the tetralogy, and it's basically HGSS and RFLG but worse
Isnt the "all team boss" a little bit weak in term of narrative ? Making it a fanservice bad made ?
Every legendary possible is...Good to mark the end of a series, but I cant compare to for example emerald battle frontier in terms of "infinite postgame content"
Ultra Necrozma is just the completing trio like in every pokemon game (And its a terribly unbalanced boss fight) sounds as minimum service for a complementary there.
Is they are something you liked in the series in term of story in USUM that it didnt had in SM ?
Bruh, girl is at like 25% over region on her best map inher history, and almost 0 anywhere
They are more countent, but i'm not fully sure if this countent is good. What content do you find good in USUM ?
What about up the spectre instead ? It's good to have low budget weapon that are decent