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| Registered: | July 14, 2022 |
| Last post: | July 26, 2025 at 11:31 AM |
| Posts: | 1277 |
hey I believe in the upset
It's been 2 maps, they might run him on yoru for others
EDG were very good at champs with S1mon, my point was they already started being shit somewhere between the start of bangkok and the end of cn split with him
Also nope I've watched HK/TW matches with S1mon
Answer me this, do you think his aim is good enough to be T1 level
We all saw his performance at bangkok
Sure he might be flexible, but his advantage has always been really good support flashes/stuns - once that is no longer important (this meta where double init is no longer viable apart from 1-2 maps) why would S1mon be the key to EDG's success
Would you prefer CHICHOO on viper or S1mon on viper?
Would you prefer Nobody on init or S1mon on init? (Since I believe you are an EDG fan, I think you know how EDG look whenever nobody isn't on init)
If S1mon was still on this team, he'd be made to play whatever Jieni is playing rn
Yeah it's cause he used to only play duelist, it wasn't until he was in the process of joining EDG that he started learning all the other roles. I was pretty impressed he even played omen pretty well today
He's just had even more time to practice and improve, looks like it's finally paying out
allegations? 😭
since when was that even in doubt, I doubt they'd lie about that
all the EDG players think he's hardworking too
zjc was picked up in the first place because EDG were still trying to lean into the same playstyle (double init) that won them champs - this is also what fan backlash/pressure has been wanting. They've finally realised that isn't going to work anymore in this new meta and that's why he's off
They have literally tried basically what you are suggesting, in their game against Trace - zjc had the chance to play recon, moving nobody off of init - and if you watched the match you can see how terribly that worked out, I haven't seen EDG play this lost since last year vs LOUD. In the past even, any time they have tried moving nobody off of init it hasn't worked well and calling has suffered - nobody himself has said he is most comfortable calling on init too.
Because of how packed the schedule has been recently, the fact they've had far more time to practice with Jieni than with zjc, and since they still need to ensure they actually make champs - are probably the reasons why EDG decided to go back to Jieni, he was the one they practiced trying new meta comps with the most and in the past - they've also been said to have been performing really well in scrims with him. And after today's game it's evident that they look far more comfortable, and aren't just randomly wandering around the map on attack.
And don't get me wrong, I was hype af when zjc was joning the team. And he still has a lot of potential, but since they're already in the split ig they'll need more time to cook with him, Jieni also used to be a duelist main so as of now he is more flexible - that can change in the future once zjc has more time to practice the other roles though, I do want to see him shine
biased? All I have said is he played well today - he made smart decisions and had better aim than zjc (TODAY)
I'm not sure what else you think I'm trying to imply
And TYL is a very good team
literally all I have said is he played well, I'm not the OP lmao
I'm also waiting for the next matches hoping he continues this performance
my point is the stats don't really do him justice (especially since Ascent ratings are still being calculated rn)
Also TYL is not a shit team, they are very good. You probably think this cause you don't watch CN
But this match today was of high quality
I think TRACE 2-1
What's your point? He played well this match, looks like he's practiced a lot
You're trying to say he hasn't, when the proof (the match) is he did - obviously you don't have to watch it, so why have such a strong opinion
they literally tried moving nobody off recon and it doesn't work
you've just proved you don't know what you're talking about
and why exactly do you think they would try S1mon on viper, a role he's not comfortable playing, do you think he's gonna suddenly be a good lurker? - instead of Chichoo who has been playing that almost his entire career
you're either baiting or stupid
chose which one
I mean, he just doesn't play the roles they need him to since they've finally decided to stop forcing double init
did you watch the match, he played extremely well and smart
Unfortunately I don't think that's happening, from how all teams are playing it's likely TRACE will even beat BLG
Yeah they were trying to lean into fan backlash/pressure to play like they did with S1mon, when the meta has already changed - the current map pool is even worse for double init and the game today was the first time they have tried moving away from that (apart from the one vs Trace where they tried to move nobody off of init instead, which didn't work)
It wasn't much his fault as much as role problems were
Jieni is playing really well though
EDG was already shit with s1mon, they were getting worse in CN and scrims while with him. You just don't have any idea what you're talking about - if Simon was still on this team he'd have to flex onto either smokes/sentinel, viper or yoru. How do you think that would work out?
Have you perhaps considered due to meta changes that they were already falling off with simon, they were forcing the same double init comps from champs that were no longer meta, it was bound to cause issues for them. In CN and scrims, they were slowly looking much worse over time. S1mon has to either flex smokes, sentinel, viper, or yoru if he was still on this team
Role issues, double init is not really viable (except for 1 or 2 maps)
On all other maps where only one init is ideal, it either forces zjc onto an uncomfortable role or nobody off of initiator (what they did against trace, and did not work). Nobody seems to call and perform the best when playing init, and kk seems to coordinate better that way too
Jieni is able to flex more than zjc, at least for now. If zjc learns all roles jieni does and plays them better, we could potentially see him back. But if jieni works for them, it's likely they'll stay with him - and that may be wise
It wouldnt really work cause of the meta, double init isn't great rn. He'd have to be able to flex either smokes/sentinel or yoru
I think its fine, smoggy plays all roles very well. It makes more sense because he flexes better than jieni does
Ok after watching the match I understand, double init is no longer meta (at least on most maps). The init-duelist chemistry is not there when nobody is not on initiator, so keeping zjc doesnt work for them because of role issues. If zjc learns to play the roles that jieni must fulfill (omen rn) then potentially he may come back. But honestly if edg does well with jieni and these new roles then it might be wise to stick with him
zjc might be back later, I doubt they'd add him and try him for only this amount of time. I hope this is just an exception and not them actually going back to jieni
I lowkey wanna see Tyloo make champs too
Happens mainly in rural areas/low tier cities
the rub is often done by young kids who don't understand much
usually not racism, just curiosity - racism still exists though like anywhere else but interactions are usually friendly, not out of malice
in Shanghai they don't really gaf, they just go on with their day
they just need time, they weren't great when s1mon first joined either
Lysoar is usually their best player statistically (in CN), this is pretty normal tbh
WOL has never been great in CN, the one time they were able to make an international was when EDG was missing. Their playstyle is structured but gets countered by CN, while matching up better against international teams. Check WOL's history in CN
I think WOL might not even win a single game ngl
They updated their api on the CN client since April, so ratings can be calculated
I read that Muggle isn't suited to organising double duelist, not that I even know what that means. They seriously need a coach change either way, EDG looked like they haven't even practiced getting used to the new roles/meta. Like where are the set strats?? drills? So confused whats going on
Perhaps, did not expect Scales to be so insane. Thoughts on ninebody? I feel like he's been so washed all year
You really do have to watch all the teams to know, I don't have the time for that and I doubt most do.
But I will say:
It's more of a whole team issue, they had to rely on kk way too much to make space
People been wanting slowly since ages ago, has nothing to do with zjc
Atp does muggle even get them to practice set strats, like I swear EDG have barely any
No his aim's pretty bad, most people can have 'good' aim every now and then, the problem is consistency. And consistently he has more bad than good aim. Also did you watch bangkok 😭, he had the worst in the whole tournament. Frequently not hitting shots on players who were either stood still, not looking at him, or full flashed (by him). It was a pain to watch
You do realise KK was incredible way before S1mon even joined the team right? He doesn't need enemies to be stunned/blinded to get kills, literally every event before 2024 is proof of that. The current problems isn't related to a support initiator, it's the whole team not playing well. Typical vlr reaction after one game
I really hope EDG can find a good new coach, Kicking AfteR wasn't enough they need to hire a new coach, I just don't know who would even be available
Yeah ik, that's included in the "struggling" part, whatever the reason is - they were not doing well with S1mon, and he wasn't playing in his typical form. It would be even worse to try and stick with S1mon with all the internal conflict present, chemistry was suffering
Zjc has insane aim, support is usually quite good too. You'll know if you watched TYLOO, just give him some time
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