flor is a bigger baiter than aspas

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publishing this post before flor insane pr team wipes the vod from the face of the earth

for those of u who thinks flor is anywhere near a decent duelist you are

watching the game with a cataract in BOTH of ur eyes
scoreboard watching stat merchants who only look at KDA and ignore all contexts during the game because it isnt what u guys wanna hear
just biased delusionists absent from logic and critical thinking

now unlike trembo who uses irrelevant deathmatch stats which prove absolute jackshit i will be giving all of u guys a premium experince provided with proof that flors

a so-called "star" duelist who cant play the current meta agent of the game (yoru) and makes the better yoru player (batu) flex onto VIPER because flor is just totally the best player in the game at everything and everyone else should accomodate for whatever flor does

ROUND 1: https://imgur.com/a/0GrFeqx letting ur tejo take first contact and swing instead of saving the broken rockets for postplant

ROUND 2: https://imgur.com/a/dcLkC7C baiting molsi to clear out all the util while the solo duelist sits back, then proceeds to run in site alone while the rest of the team is c main and dies uselessly, prime yoru gameplay here https://imgur.com/a/VP7nc0k

ROUND 3: https://imgur.com/a/XZTNBnz once again governor and molsi swinging out before flor does

ROUND 4: https://imgur.com/a/PCQoreX governor desperately fights for his life and flor picks up the freest kills ever

ROUND 5: https://imgur.com/a/31z1T2l once again why is the breach in front?

ROUND 6: https://imgur.com/a/O5AVnNv flors yoru is so bad they have avova doing ange1 cosplays now

ROUND 8: https://imgur.com/a/UEzsGzN first whiff on the neon, then pulled off the worst yoru ult in franchising history yoru ult start https://imgur.com/a/BC5Wldf yoru ult finish https://imgur.com/a/ESOB9ST

ROUND 9: https://imgur.com/a/SbAMUWC ONCE AGAIN WHY IS OUR OMEN (a controller) ENTRYING WHILE OUR YORU BAITS? and the in the same round flor proceeds to bait governor AGAIN https://imgur.com/a/pxKIyO7

ROUND 10: https://imgur.com/a/rcdz7V9 once again why is our FUCKING OMEN ENTRYING THE SITE WHEN YORU LITERALLY HAS A FAKE TP, NEVER IN VCT HAVE I SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS

ROUND 11: https://imgur.com/a/IQmGeW4 once again governor and molsi taking contact before flor, why tf are they in front? btw they didnt check that corner and all died, then rotate to b and proceed to bait again https://imgur.com/a/qqP8Au3 atp put molsi on duelist

ROUND 12: https://imgur.com/a/FxdLkVq once again governor swinging out when flor is behind, and after flor baits governor proceeds to bait avova https://imgur.com/a/31sH53V this is literally shameless

ROUND 14: https://imgur.com/a/Yfwr8sh baiting batu while flanking, then when they hit the vyse wall instead of swinging toghether lets batu cross over the wall by himself and flor just sits there https://imgur.com/a/EURzVL6

ROUND 15: https://imgur.com/a/CN0aZI6 once again molsi being a good boy and clearing out the smoke with the omen with a bucky in it for empress flor to inflate stats but https://imgur.com/a/Cqb9Hd1

ROUND 16: https://imgur.com/a/Cqb9Hd1 flor tries making a play and taking first contact but the play is to push into a one way and die

ROUND 17: https://imgur.com/a/Rl9KKdW buys an op and watches c mound for the entire round and once the whole team dies then play for exits

ROUND 18: https://imgur.com/a/J1ghByf last alive again after whole team dies

ROUND 19: https://imgur.com/a/1WJUEDN flor grows some balls and finally takes the first contact, but guess why? because BOTH GOVERNOR AND MOLSI use BOTH their ults, flor sees theres THAT MUCH util being used and goes and pick up the easiest kills ever

ROUND 20: https://imgur.com/a/0xs6CwF nothing special just the flor special again baiting the entire team and being last alive and losing the round

to be THIS scared and bait THIS while playing GIANTX of MEMEA of all people is absolutely ridiculous

"-but but but flor has good stats and the team is dragging flor down" take a look with ur own eyes how many of these stats are not hyperinflated

u think maybe if they had a decent duelist who actually makes space instead of sending temu ange1 clone to entry site maybe they wouldve won a game? just maybe?

theres enough instances of flor baiting i could do this for days btw

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we know we didn't need all of the proof

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gotta save the blind from following the flor cult, this is charity work

"save flor" is a false narritive pushed by stat watchers

decent aim duelist with horrible game sense and a horrible duelist

once of the worst fkpr of all duelist in emea stage 1 btw

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avengance for governor

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posted twice by accident

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Water is wet. Most assisted duelist in emea. Eco cobra inflated stats against mid teams. Negative against th vitality & fnatic.

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i only made the post btw because i made a comment saying flor is a baiter and it got 7 downvotes instantly so i went to get some proof
https://www.vlr.gg/487804/unpopular-opinions/#20

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water is not wet though

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+1 people really blamed apeks when they created their whole system around flor. gc players cannot compete in t1 end of

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except flor i think noia and mimi i think these 2 can def perform good

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nah there are lot of t2 talent better than them cant see teams picking up gc players anymore

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im talking about gc players who can do good in t1

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Don't generalise please.

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Absolute banger, post this on valcomp, grab some popcorn and enjoy watching the world burn

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good idea its like humanitarian work the more we save the better #everylifematteres #savebatu

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The post wouldn't even last 10min the mods there are actual pieces of shits

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water is wet

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is it wet tho???

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gc farmer trash in t1, water is wet

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i dont think water is wet ngl

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tbh she is a bad duelist but mechanically shes great, not a flor glazer I was always confused how she was top fragging while getting stomped, can be good but needs to learn. TL's duelist is a great example of a duelist he entries and dies sometimes but also is mechanically good

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bro if u bait like this how in the world do u NOT top frag 😭😭😭😭
literally put any like all aim no brain imm3-rad and they would top frag too with all this supportive util 😭

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flor will probably take a break, go back to gc where she can farm everyone because they are all diamond peaks and then we get people on vlr comparing him to the greats. thank god this fraud is out of tier 1

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it's so funny watching transphobes look for reasons to hate on her

I thought she didn't deserve a shot at tier 1 over other players but her performance more than proved she's good enough.

majority of the shit you wrote is just "didn't take first contact"/"baited". a quick look at fkpr in the league shows she's at around the same as other duelists

apparently getting kills with supportive util is bad too? 😂 shit post with shit "proof", reminds me of the retarded valcomp post that tried to justify lakia having a horrible performance

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12 duelists in emea and some duelists are duelist/flex
flor is 10th out of all the duelists in emea in fkpr btw
with all that util lobbing ud think flor would be higher

duelists are designed to entry, do u really think apeks would win a game if they are flipping the roles around and sending in their omen as a suicide bomber?

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kaajak has almost only played duelist and is 0.02 above her in fkpr, is he garbage too? or is the 0.02 difference the difference between a good and a bad player?

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kaajak isnt a baiter thats the difference

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are you retarded? do you know what baiting is?

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you r the retarded one

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are you dumb? kaajak doesnt only play duelist, plus his first kills are shared with alfajer which plays raze and iso

r u baiting or is this just mandatory flor fan retardation?

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kaajak has played sage once in this whole split, "doesn't only play duelist" 😂

you unironically believe she's significantly worse than other duelists because of an insignificant difference in fkpr, I'm sure you yourself realize you're just looking for reasons to hate because you cannot be this retarded

also players on worse teams tend to have less first bloods than ones on better teams? this is truly mind-blowing

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doesnt mean what i said isnt true
a person who shares fkpr with alfajer who plays both raze AND iso still manages to have a higher fkpr than someone who exclusively plays duelist and gets every kill fed to the mouth

once again flor fans are just all stat watchers and once someone pulls actual game footage goes right into crying about stats, nothing new under the sun

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now let's look at filu's stats who's on koi, a team that's as bad as apeks

try to make your baits less obvious, this much effort into something so low quality is pretty embarrassing icl

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filu is just as bad as flor, i never said he isnt
its like comparing shit and poo, theyre both shit, whats ur point?

continue thread →

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also that Sage is literally the duelist replacement on an icebox comp

nobody is calling zekken "not a duelist player" for playing Omen on the most unconventional map in the game

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zekken is an awsome duelist and top 3 player in americas tho, entries well creates space well and does everything well

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I'm not comparing zekken to kaajak in any other regard I'm pointing out your illogicality.

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kaajak isnt a baiter thats the difference

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kajaak doesn't get as much support as fl0r

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"transphobes" we all hate on y0y every single day but if we hate a baiting tier 3 fraudulent duelist we are transphobic now? its just straight facts flor is the biggest baiter tier 1 ever witnessed.

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vyseult is known for prior behavior, there's little point defending for him. Got 0 to do with the actual take, which is correct, but only because Aspas doesn't even bait, and isn't a big deal unless you're hunting for issues. Getting picked up by a team with a real shot first is actually important, not stats.

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which is why flor needs to bait to secure all these easy kills from using all flors teammates as crash test dummies
its job security for bro
just for flor to "take a break" anyways😭

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it's good bait bro I'll give you that but you need to seriously find better things to care about.

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difference is that yay was actually playing badly while flor looked like a pretty good player on a mediocre team yet she's getting as many hate posts (and yay was the best player itw at a time so his popularity was originally way higher, meanwhile flor hate is mostly because she's trans)

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"pretty good player" nice bait bro

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low key not as bad as cl0ck tho

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yay was forced to play duelist when he wanted to play other roles.

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Bro you already have a post on this thread where you're blatantly transphobic 😭 😭 😭

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Dont care lil bro cope seethe and mald flor is the goat

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flor delusionist when the truth is exposed to the world:

im afraid ur too far gone bro we cant save u, ur done for unfortunately 😔

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oh no man i support a player in a video game im truly done for in life 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤖

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nothing wrong with supporting a player, but the ability to be at a mature enough maturity level to know when ur wrong and put ur ego aside instead of acting like a baby just because someone said something bad ( and FACTUAL too!) ab ur favourite player 😂

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i actually agree with u on a lot of points but being this desperate that you made all this effort is just odd to me

and, how it always is, true delusionalists will hardly ever change their opinion no matter how much evidence you give them

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glad we have some common ground but its just a matter of how to present the info
soft speaking to true delusionsists will never work and if u dont make ur point bold enough its just going to be forgotten sadly

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Bro at the end of the day we all live on a floating rock, who cares if player xyz is good in a video game or not

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Guys what do you call this type of baiting?

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master

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no one will manage to bait as hard as you though. A+ for putting in all this effort

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no one is as desperate as him for some virtual attention, this is why having a father is important

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Not this narrative again...
But I appreciate the effort!

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imagine spending more time writing this thread than you ever did in school just bc of your raging hate boner lmfao. get a burger flipping job brokie.

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nah im nepo enough to be set for life alrd
this didnt really take much time theres evidence of for baiting EVERYWHERE
ur acting like i scoured the ends of the earth to get this info no this didnt take much time AT ALL

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you still put copious amount of effort into something that doesnt even matter. how you genuinely hate on someone in a video game regardless of everything else is worrying. all this to get reactions on a screen to justify it

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Insane hating

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Rookie year in tier 1. She did exceptional I went through the first few images
Round 1 Gov is taking first contact cause he is 1 so flor can trade and salvos are 30 seconds away.
Round 2: Eco classics only does not matter
Round 3: Got the first kill on Runner.
Round12: because she's stuck behind the wall bruh 😭

Whatever ur highlighting is an team issue where ur inti are swinging first this does not make flor a baiter but whatever

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round 1 should gov not save his meta missles for post plant ESPECIALLY on pistol beacuse they dont even have shields?
round 2 every single little action matters
round 3 yes because of timing? runner peeked just as flor was crossing the sightline doesnt change the fact that the duelist is 3rd in line in the trading sequence, thats diabolical

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gov doesnt do that because hes shit

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could never imagine putting this much effort to bait people on the internet ngl, kinda sad really, hope you're currently happy in life

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i would never put effort into some shit like this but ur iq really shows here it's not bait it's objective facts & it's shit you pick up on if you aren't an absolute moron and you know what you're watching

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bro even if it's true or "objective facts" it's still baiting "flor fans" or whatever, how do people care that much abt fans of a player that they willingly to put hours to compile this, it's pathetic

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exhibit 10000 of flor fans denying the truth and calling literal proof bait:

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far from it mate, I think that players should be picked 100% based on merit and I think that there are other factors as to why flor getting picked that I disagree of, but even if I disagree flor getting picked I wouldn't put hours to hate on flor's fans bro shit is beyond pathetic 😭

hope you happy in life at least man cuz all that effort just for attention seeking is beyond pathetic

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god forbid a man brings truth to the misled and light to the blind

above average aim? sure. but does bro know how to play duelist? fuck no

this took 20 mins btw all i did was sc some images of flor baiting and then post it

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sure bro hope that dopamine hit lasts long enough

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i dont do it for the dopamine, i do it for the love of the game
chaging flor delusionists mindsets one person at a time

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And how exactly does it benefit your life

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it doesnt, its benefiting the others who are lead by a false narritive

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Brother we are supporting a player in a video game its not like we are abusing illegal substances get a grip man

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as i said before supporting a player is ok i support players too but i acknowledge that they are not the best itw
there is lliterally a better yoru player on the SAME team but no we have to put flor in because of trans representation

actual DEI merchant
get a guy who actually knows how to play yoru and apeks wouldve done better instead of losing 10 rounds in a row to giantx

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i'm not saying that she isn't baiting, all i'm saying is you only took sample from 1 and only 1 game i'd like to see if other game she is baiting, and you said it yourself you only search for some image where flor is baiting.

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well if i had to go through like 5 matches of flor baiting id want to governor myself

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thats what im saying. the fact theyve put even the smallest amount of effort into making a post ab someone to this level its just sad

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this is why i hate average people like you, mfs think putting an effort into something is bad. Go live your average life you subpar animals.

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god I hope you're not serious

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I neither support nor hate flor but it is NOT that deep bro

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you did put effort into this so ill give you that

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not reading allat but some of the highest effort flor bait i’ve seen i give it 6/8

get a job

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baiting when its literal game footage.......

on the topic of baiting tho......flor is the one baiting, not me!

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Aspas on title for attention

0/8

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never have i mentioned aspas anywhere outside of the title
bro missed the whole point of this post with like 20 proofs of flor baiting and focuses on aspas instead 😭 talk about moving the goalpost

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I rated your title, learn to read

0/8 attention seeker title

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why tf r u rating the title out of all things???? 😭😭😭

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If you need to bring big names to make people click your post you are a fraud from the very start

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would have the same effect with or without, u cant even see aspas' name when u click on the post

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me when i lie, next dont metion big names then you fraud

0/8

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There is no way you spent hours to post this useless thread.
She is goated and you are jobless, go live your life, dumbass.

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took like 20 minutes MAX with all the instances of flor baiting
the fact that u still think flor is goated means this thread isnt useless, unless u mean goated baiter, which then i agree i have never in VCT seen a duelist perfect the art of baiting so much in my life
but people will continue to ignore the info that doesnt support their views and refuse to acknowledge facts
reality denier much?

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get a job, i am not reading all that

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i have a job but guess who DOESNT? FLORRRRRRRR!

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ur upvoting ur own posts

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im too lazy to do that
ill downvote urs tho

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definitely have alts to upvote yourself

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bro i really dont care that much why r u so obsessed over literal upvotes😭

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makes a whole thread "i dont care that much" why you obsessed over one player theyve already left

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im just trying to pull as many people from following the cult as possible
god forbid im tryna save people whove been misled by false narritives
will never stoop as low as to obsession over literal upvotes tho

continue thread →

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"Jarvis, I'm running low on interaction. Initiate flor thread on VLR"

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dont mind me the truth is already there for everyone to see, im just the messenger.

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This is some impressive level of hating. Damn.

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Very high effort bait. It's both sad and impressive.

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bro got 80+ replies not even an hour in, legit the best bait I've seen on VLR 😭

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Asspas clears that bum as a baiter and as a player

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What you got banned for a month for being an ass on this topic before so you're back for round 2?

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im not the kind of person that lets obstacles in life prevent me from reaching my goal
you sure seem the pushover kind tho

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ok would you still hate on flor if everyone here agreed that she is not tier 1 level? or is there perhaps another reason why you feel so strongly on the topic?

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what r u trying to imply?
lets not throw accusations around now this is in-game agenda ONLY

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just answer my question. im not implying anything... yet.

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no i wouldnt
her fans overhype flor as if flor is the 2nd coming of aspas or derke or something
if flor wasnt overrated as FUCK then theres no reason to hate
but does that mean i have to like them? no
ill still dislike flor for being a subpar duelis tho

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ok if you truly believe that then i can respect your take.

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something sneak

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Sure man, I'm sure you got that from what I said.
Anyways I'll accept your premise that Flor is a baiter, I didn't look at your evidence because I honestly better things to do with my time, but anyways I'm wondering why you're presenting as being this inherently bad thing. You never explain in your post why it's bad that she is baiting specifically for the Apeks team, although you are clearly implying that it is a bad thing. There are plenty of instances where a "baiting" duelists finds a lot of success so I don't believe it is an inherently bad thing.

However, regardless of if it is actually a bad thing for Apeks the team specifically, I don't think you could actually really blame Flor for this. This seems to just be what Apeks is playing for. Whether you think they are right or wrong, they seem to believe that Flor is their win condition and are doing everything to set her up and make sure she is a live. This is their gameplan. If you're criticizing the gameplan, I think that is completely fair, I agree that Batu should be playing Yoru, I think it is frankly dishonest to blame the player for the gameplan.

Also, Apeks fucking sucks as a team. They are dysfunctional sometimes and that's very clear by watching them. I actually looked at a few pieces of your evidence while writing this and you're just lying to blame Flor. Round 1, why the fuck is Governor taking first contact as you can see Avova is going for a flash? How is that Flor's fault that Governor is peaking before the flash? Round 2, why is Molsi trying to bait out the wall when we have a clone? How is that Flor's fault? She also does just entry in this round and dies for it. Round 5, what the fuck are you talking about???? Flor is literally farther forward than Molsi and is watching the other side of the door. Did you not think people would click on the images you posted??? And I could sit here and nitpick all these bad faith arguments you made for each round, but I'm not just as obsessed with this topic as you are and it's much easier to make shit up than it is to disprove it!

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because as yoru ur job is to create space for ur team and if u arent creating space then thats ur problem

round 1: why is flor not peeking before governor does? avova goes for a flash that doesnt even flash them it goes to the left of the site
round 2: because why is flor not supposed to be taking the initiative first? why is the solo duelist behind the initiator? and u literally have a clone for the wall but ah yes lets use our human flesh to jumptrigger it and take a way bigger risk
round 5: i only showed a screenshot but during the round breach entered the door first and flor is the one whos trading, when its supposed to be the other way around. flor is NOT further than molsi

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Ah cool it's back I can say this now
You wrote a fucking essay for your original post and that's all you got bud??? What, you ran out of lies to say?????? You didn't address my second point at all!

First of all, that's not inherently true, and even if it was that doesn't mean you have to or you're wrong for not doing so. And I'm not going to explain why, because you didn't explain why he is

Round 1: Why is Governor peaking before Flor does? The real answer is we don't fucking know, because we're not in the team comms dumbass! How do we know it's Flor's fault and not Gov's? We DON'T, you're just saying shit!
Round 2: Once again, how do you know that is Flor's fault and Molsi isn't just being a dumbass????
Round 5: First of all why didn't you show a screenshot of that then? In fact, why the fuck are you showing screenshots for this at all instead of clips? That would be significantly better for showing your point if you're supposedly so right and it's sooooooooooo obvious. So second of all, I went and looked at the round. I like that you neglect to mention the beginning of the round where she goes first to clear rubble and then gets a flash that gets a kill, very good cherry picking. So here's a clip of what happens;
https://www.twitch.tv/valorant_emea/clip/FreezingDrabFoxPeteZarollTie-Dkok628CrI-mD4eM
You can see Molsi walk in front of her in front of her as she walks backwards up to the door. It doesn't seem like she was intentionally baiting here, does it! And after this Flor and Molsi double swing and then walk to B, where she is taking first contact!!! Wow bro, you see why it's so much harder to dispute your bullshit than it is for you to say it????

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this post is about why flor is a baiter, which is why i brought up instances of baiting. i never said flor baits 24/7 and pretty much ANY baiter doesnt bait like a hundre percent of the time bro but flor clearly fucking baits a shit ton more than all the other duelists in t1. after all a broken clock is right twice a day
u cant be 100% serious that flor does not do ANY first fights at all ?

EVEN if u give flor the benefit of the doubt in round 1 theres still like 20 other instances of flor just outriht baiting
round 2: because molsi isnt a dumbass? why would the dumbass be the igl. flor is always scaling behind the breach
round 5: well i would love to but idk how to post clips on imgur but if i could i wouldve if thats what u wanted
if u rewatch the vod u can clearly see that molsi is a good 3-4 meters ahead of flor while entering that A lotus door.

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finally a person said it

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W you'll prolly get alot of hate

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nah more people hate her than glaze her

there used to be a balance between the two, but I see way more hate now

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well ppl glaze her too much and if ppl make points like these then its called out as hate
hating isnt calling out the truth imo
if someone says sen was ass in bangkok then i wouldnt consider that hate first of all

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flor has taken first fights more on average than kaajak, filu, marteen and kamo
where are their threads. odd to pick out flor when two of those players are on top4 teams in the region.

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because kaajak shares the duelist role with alfa who plays raze and iso?
filu is just as shit as flor
marteen also shares the duelist role with avez who plays raze and phoenix?
and kamo isnt even the main duelist on some maps

and notice how these 4 people are nowhere as overhyped as flor is

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so we're just lying

kamo .34 first duels per round
filu .34 first duels per round
flor .32 first duels per round

:P

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no need for this but i also think flor is not a good duelist for tier 1 Valorant

she just needs more experience and her fans shouldn't praise her while she is doing nothing

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she for sure baits but the mechanics are there, i think when she comes back she’ll start to get better at hard entrying OR learn how to bait in a way that’s smart and actually wins games (like aspas)

she’s 18 and got her first taste of tier 1 after playing farmers league for years, it’s legit crazy how she got here in the first place. she’s good at the game so i don’t think it’ll take her much

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off topic is that shrike guy on youtube you
yeah mechanically flor is like alright better than average even maybe but just overall as a player bro is not allat

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ok, she was def baiting at times for apeks, but saying flor is average mechanically is just pure delusion just from an eye test alone

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Yes it is

and ofc she isn’t allat as a player she’s been in tier 4 for years, the fact she was even able to go positive in tier 1 just shows she’s actually decent, baiting or not

she has potential but she needs to like… actually learn how to play professional valorant at the highest level lol

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id like to think flor baits cuz bro finally got a chance in tier 1 and wants good stats but thats a pretty stupid take ngl

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yeah i don’t think she’s coming back LOLLLLL

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you guys said it was deleted

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yeah idk what they're on about

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its back!

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Mods really spawned it back in lmao

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oh wait its back LOL

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Good pointing out of mistakes appreciation to you

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What i can tell from all this : He's not amgydala

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Yk what, I came here thinking it was bait and I’m leaving here seeing an actually strong argument. Good Job bro 👍

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Yeah this post was clearly made by a gold player 90% of your examples suck

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peakaed immortal 3 and plateaued cant get radiant for the fuck of my life but go off

also what does rank have to do with this? does me being iron change the integrity of the post?

flor fan logic is actually so unfathomable

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hes js hating because his fav player is being exposed lol keep up what ur doing rn bro

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I'm not a flor fan just looked at your examples and it's painfully obvious that you have a very poor understanding of the game.

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well yes then so omen teleporting into site while the yoru just watches the omen die and there boom goes ur paranoia (best util in the game) and ur omen smokes for when ur viper smokes go down is 100% the play and the yoru just farms free kills because everyone is distracted by the omen and the yoru gets all the praise because yoru gets all the kills and omen and breach who do all the dirty work is being critisized for not being able to shoot and the yoru should deserve a better team

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You know there are set plays teams do and when taking B on Lotus the set play is usually for omen to paranoia then tp on site and then duelist peaks from main that's how both Fnatic and FUT did it in their match. Idk why omen doesn't use paranoia there if he did both him and flor could've killed them without dying idk how you blame that on flor and how you don't know that Omen tp on to site is something teams tend to do.

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nice job flor alt

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Honestly thanks for this

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mods bring it back, holy W, actually they receive the criticism, rare occasion

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i mean yeah but also it was her first year so i’m sure she’ll evolve. was a good showing and she clearly wasn’t the problem, just might not have been the solution. She’s mechanically insane and a lot of this was from the final game after a mentally booming experience, not saying it’s exactly cherry picking but it def doesn’t paint the whole picture. she’s def too passive but tbh that’s a pretty fixable error, treating her like she single handedly brought down apeks as if she wasn’t the only consistent impact the team had feels disingenuous

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flor wasnt THE problem but was def part of it, governor was even worse but governor is actually getting the criticism that governor deserves while flor is being hyped as a top 5 duelist in emea, thats the difference

the narritive is always about saving flor but thats not the case

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i mean i feel like you’re neglecting a large majority of the external factors in the game, did governor deserve the criticism? yeah. Flor fucked up a lot too her discipline and stuff was lacking, but she also had arguably the most pressure on her out of every person in VCT. I read that you don’t see the need to make threads about this for other duelists because they don’t get as hyped, but i’ll be so real 99% of flor conversation nowadays is just people slobbering at a single mistake of hers. As someone else stated, you’re clipping things highly out of context, not saying all of these aren’t good examples but you’re clearly taking a side on the bias of “flor bad”. Passing this off as completely neutral is ignoring inherent biases you have towards her as a player (as if people have forgotten ur crashouts over every little mistake she’s ever made and dedicating ur whole profile to criticizing her). It is therefore impossible to actually take any of this genuinely with your implicit bias,because while you make good points and i agree wholeheartedly she baits sometimes, the focus on her against everyone else is clearly targeting and invalidates the overall premise

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obviously everyone has implicit biases and it would be wrong to not acknowledge so. but facts are facts and no matter how biased i am i provided evidence and if i could post the clips i would but idk how to but im willing to explain the context of every clip. i could do this for a whole bunch of other games too also but i dont think that is needed.

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i normally would agree but these instances (since we do not have access to comms or direct knowledge of the exact plays) are more susceptible to interpretive bias, molsi and governor run in and flor follows which you classify as baiting, but what if that was the intention? The reality is threads like these for any player are pointless becuase unless ur in their comms you can’t accurately read their situation on the game state. And i agree but you don’t acknowledge your bias in the original, and therefore are proposing the information as fact without an iota of confirmation bias recognition. If you look for baiting; you’ll find baiting. Ur hatred for flor is evident and while it may not be rooted in transphobia inherently your passionate disdain for her is frankly cringe and incel-like.

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if thats the intention than the system itself is a fucked up system at heart
0-7 and the intention is that the breach entries something might not be right no?
have flor (or anyone i dare say) suggest that maybe the duelist......maybe the duelist entry?
just a thought
yes i do dislike flor because flor is just so damn overrated by the fans

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yeah the system sucks ass, we been knew this. And she does entry she has a solid FKPR, and people that gas her up as the goat are annoying but mfs like you who criticize and hate every aspect of her existence and make ur whole personality hating on flor and her fans are 200% more obnoxious like find something new bro.

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ngl i kinda respect this hating level but no one cares that much please get a life

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oo this a bit bold in 2025 broski

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someones bound to say it

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Holy shit, all these people are getting pressed because of some little analysis of a player

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this is mental illness

edit: team flair checks out

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god forbid a man supports sr gold

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I fw u heavy for this post but the flair is questionable

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i am an effys enjoyer

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icl I'm not convinced, the stats say she takes a decent number of first duels. Maybe she baits some, but she's still doing her job as a duelist.

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you're my fucking goaT holy shit

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holy yap why do u care

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I met flor at iron lobby and I can confirm that

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she's baiting every man on that team especially the HEAD coach

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how is this thread up for 17 hours

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because it's talking about VCT (the point of this website) and it's not discriminatory, literally just about an overhyped player

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u can say whatever but aint least she didnt take "ult urself" to the next level unlike someone else on the team. if i had to play with govenor im baiting him too

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with still pictures you can make derke look like a baiter, this is -iq stuff

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if u don't believe it just watch the vods by urself LOL

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Yeah and if you had done that you would have known that 90% of his examples are just completely wrong

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literally go watch the vod urself, u will get nowhere by arguing with delusionists

baiting and being scared to entry against giantx a bottom 4 memea team is next level pussy behavior

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lying unemployed bum

https://www.vlr.gg/488027/flor-is-not-a-baiter

Go get a job

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amazing bait, all the transphobes are out

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Flor baited APEKS into signing her tbh. She was never the t1 type of player. Your typical ranked demons who never comms for shit. That's why when you look at her clips its just silent gameplay while her dead teammates scream over them flicks. Not saying she isn't good tho. Her aim is tier 1 but her game sense and comms need work#

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apeks signed flor for popularity cuz no body buying bundles or talking about an ascension team unless they are good+ she was promising

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Imo if they were just gonna do her that kind of setup then what the fuck was the point of putting her on yoru, just put her on jett 24/7 and let batu entry as if that shit didnt win optic and eg a trophy. Clearly eugene is isnt 100% full power on yoru just put her on what she actually plays

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I think baiting is and should be a genuine strat for competative valorant. The macro ideologies at the moment are either maximizing the rounds your team can win a round, or maximizing the opportunities for a player to win a round. Most top level teams try to balance those approaches, but you can be a solid middling team with upset potential if you just hope the entire time that one of your two good players just wins the game. Like that's the entire macro idea of CS - have 3 bodies to toss util and clutch like one 1v2, and have your cracked zoomer rifling and cracked zoomer op-ing to just win the rest of the rounds. It's less effective in val because of the util potency, but it's basically all Lev did last year, and they peaked at 3rd globally. I think it's fine to just toss people at a wall to give a top aimer advantaged aimfights. 3 advantaged fights and one 50/50 is better than praying your best player gets a 2-for-1 on a perfectly set up entry.

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baiting is a valid strategy sometimes but dont u think a person who baits like 20 times in ONE map while being on the only duelist and their team being 0-7 and winless might have a slight coorelation no?

apeks is twisting the fundamentals of valorant, mixing their roles up and expecting to win

playing the game how it isnt meant to be played and wondering why they are winless

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bro I been saying ts but didn't have proof ty for doing gods work

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You were right king!

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bro that is not baiting that's unauthorized entry 😭

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Baiter ≠ molester

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flor fans downvoting this Sadge

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cuz the baiting allegations are still full of shit there's just bigger fish to fry

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i think most of u got the wrong idea
its just flor's stats are inflated due to baiting, intentional or not, and makes flor seem like a better player than what flor actually is

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wanna see ppl defending sa allegations instead of baiting allegations now jajajjajaaja

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flor 0-2 allegations

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flor bait women into her bedroom

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NAH THAT'S DIABOLICAL!

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