It's a detriment to tier 2.
Better prize pools with ten times worse talent, you gotta be jesting. This is a waste of money and it creates an environment where it's not worth it for people to go to tier 2.
Everything I stated here is true. People can't deny it.
GC is good because otherwise there would be no rank between Champ and SSL and that would be bad for the game because then there'd be huge rank deflation
I know girl that care more abouit GC than their own Tier 1 region :X
30% of Val just want to see competition that look like them. GC also help to make the gap closer between T1 and T2 smaller, wish amazing on the longrun and can expang the playerpool of every region by 30%
And ? Gap is closing, a GC team qualifying in T1 was unthinkable in 3 year. A GC team winnig a T2 game, was unthinkable 2 years ago, the gap did close, maybe in 2026 they will win 2. 2027 maybe Playoff, it's gonna be a long day, but gap is smally closing.I was really critics on the GC scene thinking it would put good player in a split circuit and make things even worse,but it's not the case
if a team can dominate Game Changers and win champs twice in a row, then move into Challengers and place 15th/16th twice against T2 teams that barely get paid. At that point, why not invest in and support the T2 scene that’s already performing at a higher level?
They loss their best player tho.
FQ won a game in the qualifier
MIBR GC was TWICE one game away to qualify in T2 BR (3rd), while TLBR ended (4th)
So we have decent proof gap is closing
bro GCC prize pool is 500k while ascension is 30k
and if u had to put the best t2 team vs the best GC team
9.9/10 times the t2 team will win lol im just saying put more support in the t2 scene
and if u had to put the best t2 team vs the best GC team
Yes, because they are not ready, gap is closing and we are not a this yet...
and how many more years do these GC teams need to close the gap?
I mean we cant let them keep getting away with it, surely there should be a limit or they will never improve
Hard to guess, it will depend of a lot off factors. My guess is, with the rule that EVERYONE forgot "T1 team are allowed to have a 2nd team in T1 if they are 3 GC player in it", I can see that happen in 2030 if one T1 team try this,
If team never try the "mix rule", then we will have to wait a 5 female roster and... Yeah maybe 2033 ?
Another factor that would speed up the process is that if tomorrow Riot says "Any GC team that qual to split 3 T2 is automatically qualified in GCC", that would solve the issue that GC team tryhard more their domestic league than the T2, and may make GC team a little bit better in T2
Gap is big, it's normal it's a long process. We need to be patient
No hate but the gap would mostly probably stay the same unless GC teams have a real incentive to improve
That was my stance in 2022 "Making woman play only each other will never make them improve, gap will stagnate", but we are in 2025 and the gap did significantly close at every level, so I had to change my stance,the solution did work, so I want to see more of it. I compare to LoL where no significant progress where made, not even a female player in the T1 or even T2 since Remillia's drama, Val did better
The gap is not really closing at all it's just that riot is making it easier for GC teams to qualify, like SRG and Flyquest Red were literally invited to play in promotion and didn't have to run through the open qualifiers (btw SRG lost in there before anyways). Also winning a tier 2 game when a team has 2 new players and on top of that are on their worst day isn't an accomplishment at all.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2301/challengers-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1/closed-qualifier
I was talking about this incident
But yes they also got in for free basically even when they couldn't qualify because riot needed to fill 2 spots
They did receive no advantage during the qualifier. SRG won the qualifier fair and square. Twice. Without Flor.
What are we saying "no advantage", SRG literally got to skip the entire open qualifiers that every team had to compete in if they weren't in tier 2 before, also the second time they got in they didn't even qualify they just got invited lmfao 0/8
If they win the closed qualifier MAYBE they would have won the open qualifier ??
they got placements gifted to them twice and still performed rlly bad, this is a horrible line of questioning
srg would've lost if they played open quals.
the only teams worth a damn they beat in their first promotion was funhavers
second was gifted.
anyway i don't rlly wanna argue with u cause my opinions are pretty mixed, just saying there is nothing worth defending in their challengers run. tsm win was crazy tho, didn't expect that.
Well technically we don't know if there the best team just yet because this tournament isn't over but the guy isn't wrong also last year srg was barely close to even making challengers last year even with florescent who is definitely better than like 95% of people in na challengers rn
Just say your mad women and marginalized people are being allowed to make money in this environment and move on hater💅💅💅 incel behaviour tbh 🤢
Azzelastia is a bum, but he's right on this one. GC continues to suck resources better spent elsewhere, all for 'fans' that will berate everyone to watch GC, react to the newest GC drama on twatter, and say how 'good' GC players are and how they belong in tier 1 Valorant. They always try to 'support' GC in any way they can except actually watching GC judging by the watch hours of the tournaments.
The best GC teams would not even get out of playoffs in tier 2 Valorant
Hours Watched:
VCT 2024: Game Changers Championship: 6,347,009
Valorant Esports World Cup 2025: 8,324,943
VALORANT Challengers Japan 2024 Split 2: 7,804,550
Ok ngl picking hours watched is definitely a good metric but also terrible one at the same time litterly picked japan bro like no shit Sherlock there fans are crazy
I put it there on purpose to show how much of a failure GC is, that as an international tournament, it cannot beat a domestic event.
Gang japan challengers has the same hours watched than most tier 1 things lets put all are money into Japan challengers than ❤️
No, in fact, every regions tier 1 regionals wipes the floor with japan challenger in terms of hours watched. For example, both Pacific and Americas Stage 2 each sit at around 18,000,000 hours
Is time watched not a crazy measurement though I feel like this is really bad measurement to go by maybe that's just me though
Hours watched is the best metric to determine how interested and engaged people are while watching the event. A high number of hours means that viewers are not just coming in for a brief moment, they're sticking around to watch the full event or at least large portions of it. Something retarded would be using something like peak viewers, which doesn't really mean anything on the tournament at large.
Holy incel or just extremely subiq bro, hours watched isnt the best metric when japan challengers 2 was fucking 68 games and gc champs was 18. Like u cant be this dumb surely? Just use average viewers… Also gc is an inclusion initiative, not a pure commercial league.
Then how do you explain EWC? It has the same airtime as GC but much more hours watched and much more average viewers. GC can't even beat a mickey mouse saudi tournament.
Also gc is an inclusion initiative, not a pure commercial league.
Call it what you want, it's a failure.
Bro EWC is still decently sized with 1.25 mil cash. These arguments are redundant anyway as the point of gc isnt to make money through the esports is to encourage more women in general to play and earn money through there. Its an investment there is a reason why valorant has a pretty big female playerbase.
is this how you justify Asuna paycheck stealing every year on 100T also?
Clearly. People with money are in the best position to make determinations about value. They have accumulated it all.
not at all this logic is stupid as fuck,people with money make wrong determinations of value all the time
That's false. Every person who as amassed wealth made a decision at some point that was genius even if at the the time they were unaware of it. Just give up. All your heroes are rich.
Better than typing out morse code because you tried shit talking a team and they ended up winning?
my b gang i should've just made the genius decision to be born to a wealthy family while I was an unaware soul.
but yea that bs aside the asuna paycheck stealing is unironically justified, nadeshot is allowed to make decisions with his money even if they turn out to be dogshit
gc is more fun to watch than t2. why would i want to watch some unknown t2 bums.
People are so dumb. Do you think if they get rid of GC all that money is simply gonna be used on T2. NO. That's not how companies work.
And in riot's eyes, GC is definitely worth it. Even with the goal of it being a gateway for female/marginalized genders completely aside, it's good optics for Valorant to the wider gaming community and something unique as far as most esports go. Those latter two things alone are good enough for riot to keep it going for as long valorant esports is a thing.
i mean, why can't both exist? GC is a great thing for the game, bringing a whole new audience to the game while also giving marginalized people in esports the spotlight. time has clearly shown with flor and I'm certain it will continue to show that there is real talent in the scene, and riot axing gc is not going to automatically siphon all that money to tier 2. The real reason tier 2 has been shit for so long is because of franchising
they can both exist but why invest way more in a league that is clearly inferior
#52 about wraps up what I'd say but also while the lack of funding is a pretty big issue for t2 val the structure is arguably worse. At least they are making changes now
For example, not only is the promoting of tier 2 genuinely terrible, but the fact that partner teams don't have their spot evaluated more often is genuinely ridiculous. Furia should've been out of VCT at least before 2025 even started.
FR. Tried watching but ts is so boring. 500K for ts over marginally low investment into Ascension itself, lol.
Come back in a decade to this comment and the gap still wouldn't have closed up with the time, energy and money invested in this failure of a freakshow.
what is this post, i swear it was assmolestia who posted this and #1 had like 30 downvotes
GC is 100x more interesting than T2. we should take even more money from T2 and give it to GC. make it 1 million bucks
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