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Champions Tour 2024: EMEA Kickoff

Playoffs: Grand Final

March 1, 2024

11:00 AM EST

Patch 8.03

Team Heretics

final

1 : 3

vs.

Bo5

Karmine Corp

KC ban Breeze; TH ban Ascent; KC pick Sunset; TH pick Lotus; KC pick Icebox; TH pick Split; Bind remains

Betting

$100 on Karmine Corp returned $195 at pre-match odds

1.95 KC odds pre-match

Streams

Valorant EMEA

VCT EMEA (YT)

VODs

Map 1 Map 2

Map 3 Map 4

Maps/Stats

Overview

Performance

Economy

Logs (Soon)

All Maps

1 Sunset

2 Lotus

3 Icebox

4 Split

5 Bind

Team Heretics

9 / 4

Sunset PICK

1:07:06

Karmine Corp

3 / 6

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	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
benjyfishy TH	1.36 1.16 1.53	269 249 287	21 9 12	/ 15 9 6 /	9 3 6	+6 0 +6	95% 90% 100%	184 163 202	37% 33% 40%	5 2 3	1 1 0	+4 +1 +3
RieNs TH	1.17 1.00 1.32	235 249 224	19 8 11	/ 15 9 6 /	8 2 6	+4 -1 +5	77% 60% 92%	174 177 172	34% 27% 42%	3 1 2	2 1 1	+1 0 +1
Boo TH	1.09 0.88 1.27	192 178 204	14 6 8	/ 14 9 5 /	10 3 7	0 -3 +3	73% 50% 92%	128 116 137	29% 35% 24%	2 1 1	0 0 0	+2 +1 +1
MiniBoo TH	1.07 0.16 1.82	243 135 335	19 4 15	/ 16 10 6 /	4 1 3	+3 -6 +9	73% 50% 92%	159 83 224	37% 25% 40%	3 0 3	3 2 1	0 -2 +2
paTiTek TH	1.01 0.57 1.38	158 127 185	11 4 7	/ 13 8 5 /	16 4 12	-2 -4 +2	68% 50% 83%	103 90 115	16% 10% 21%	1 0 1	2 2 0	-1 -2 +1

	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
sh1n KC	1.03 1.18 0.86	195 171 226	17 8 9	/ 17 9 8 /	12 7 5	0 -1 +1	73% 75% 70%	121 104 142	23% 20% 27%	1 0 1	1 0 1	0 0 0
N4RRATE KC	1.01 0.44 1.68	206 125 304	16 4 12	/ 17 13 4 /	8 4 4	-1 -9 +8	68% 50% 90%	127 79 185	24% 28% 22%	0 0 0	1 1 0	-1 -1 0
MAGNUM KC	0.94 0.44 1.55	184 129 251	15 5 10	/ 16 11 5 /	6 4 2	-1 -6 +5	55% 42% 70%	115 94 139	18% 24% 15%	1 0 1	4 3 1	-3 -3 0
tomaszy KC	0.88 0.78 0.99	187 169 210	13 6 7	/ 17 10 7 /	6 5 1	-4 -4 0	77% 75% 80%	133 109 163	29% 15% 47%	2 0 2	2 1 1	0 -1 +1
marteen KC	0.77 0.45 1.15	163 124 212	12 5 7	/ 17 11 6 /	7 2 5	-5 -6 +1	64% 50% 80%	112 74 157	14% 6% 21%	4 2 2	6 5 1	-2 -3 +1

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	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
benjyfishy TH	0.98 0.98 0.98	203 212 200	59 32 27	/ 63 34 29 /	14 7 7	-4 -2 -2	69% 71% 66%	137 136 139	36% 33% 39%	9 4 5	6 3 3	+3 +1 +2
RieNs TH	0.76 1.06 0.90	197 183 218	53 25 28	/ 65 35 30 /	25 13 12	-12 -10 -2	69% 62% 76%	141 125 159	40% 35% 45%	8 3 5	3 2 1	+5 +1 +4
paTiTek TH	0.92 0.86 0.89	182 198 164	46 27 19	/ 60 32 28 /	38 17 21	-14 -5 -9	61% 62% 61%	118 131 103	26% 31% 20%	4 2 2	8 5 3	-4 -3 -1
MiniBoo TH	0.63 1.14 0.87	213 188 244	57 26 31	/ 66 37 29 /	10 2 8	-9 -11 +2	60% 52% 68%	146 124 169	27% 20% 34%	15 8 7	15 9 6	0 -1 +1
Boo TH	0.81 0.70 0.76	153 162 144	42 25 17	/ 65 35 30 /	28 16 12	-23 -10 -13	63% 67% 58%	98 100 96	24% 24% 24%	4 2 2	8 4 4	-4 -2 -2

	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
N4RRATE KC	1.01 1.58 1.31	264 209 311	77 27 50	/ 53 29 24 /	34 21 13	+24 -2 +26	79% 68% 88%	173 146 197	28% 26% 29%	6 2 4	5 3 2	+1 -1 +2
marteen KC	1.08 1.41 1.26	268 246 282	76 34 42	/ 55 28 27 /	17 6 11	+21 +6 +15	76% 74% 79%	171 150 189	29% 26% 31%	19 10 9	13 9 4	+6 +1 +5
sh1n KC	1.50 1.02 1.25	204 222 185	63 34 29	/ 44 19 25 /	39 22 17	+19 +15 +4	74% 76% 71%	129 137 121	31% 32% 29%	4 1 3	7 2 5	-3 -1 -2
MAGNUM KC	0.88 1.11 1.00	187 170 204	55 22 33	/ 54 26 28 /	21 14 7	+1 -4 +5	74% 66% 81%	126 119 133	19% 16% 23%	4 0 4	9 6 3	-5 -6 +1
tomaszy KC	1.14 0.73 0.92	170 205 142	48 29 19	/ 51 23 28 /	29 16 13	-3 +6 -9	79% 82% 76%	117 127 108	32% 29% 35%	7 4 3	6 1 5	+1 +3 -2

Team Heretics

1 / 6

Lotus PICK

43:40

Karmine Corp

11 / 2

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	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
RieNs TH	1.05 0.48 1.43	233 125 305	16 4 12	/ 17 6 11 /	6 2 4	-1 -2 +1	75% 75% 75%	169 86 224	45% 30% 50%	3 1 2	0 0 0	+3 +1 +2
benjyfishy TH	0.87 1.67 0.34	173 306 86	13 10 3	/ 15 4 11 /	0 0 0	-2 +6 -8	55% 100% 25%	120 217 55	44% 56% 31%	2 1 1	3 0 3	-1 +1 -2
MiniBoo TH	0.82 1.23 0.55	217 300 162	14 8 6	/ 17 6 11 /	4 1 3	-3 +2 -5	55% 63% 50%	155 235 102	28% 25% 33%	4 2 2	3 1 2	+1 +1 0
paTiTek TH	0.73 1.06 0.51	202 278 153	12 7 5	/ 17 6 11 /	8 6 2	-5 +1 -6	55% 75% 42%	140 176 117	16% 28% 8%	1 1 0	2 1 1	-1 0 -1
Boo TH	0.31 0.53 0.16	78 120 51	6 4 2	/ 19 7 12 /	5 4 1	-13 -3 -10	50% 75% 33%	49 59 43	19% 11% 29%	0 0 0	2 1 1	-2 -1 -1

	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
N4RRATE KC	1.79 1.86 1.67	336 353 312	26 16 10	/ 13 6 7 /	12 9 3	+13 +10 +3	85% 83% 88%	215 236 185	32% 25% 45%	1 0 1	1 1 0	0 -1 +1
marteen KC	1.60 1.52 1.71	292 285 303	22 13 9	/ 12 6 6 /	2 1 1	+10 +7 +3	75% 92% 50%	180 159 210	37% 42% 32%	4 3 1	3 2 1	+1 +1 0
sh1n KC	1.08 1.34 0.69	147 168 116	11 8 3	/ 9 4 5 /	12 10 2	+2 +4 -2	70% 75% 63%	90 98 78	23% 28% 15%	1 1 0	2 1 1	-1 0 -1
MAGNUM KC	1.02 1.17 0.80	202 217 180	13 8 5	/ 14 7 7 /	6 5 1	-1 +1 -2	85% 83% 88%	148 160 129	21% 13% 44%	1 0 1	3 1 2	-2 -1 -1
tomaszy KC	0.97 1.32 0.45	183 218 132	13 11 2	/ 13 5 8 /	9 3 6	0 +6 -6	80% 100% 50%	129 144 106	20% 35% 8%	3 3 0	1 0 1	+2 +3 -1

Team Heretics

4 / 3

Icebox PICK

42:55

Karmine Corp

8 / 5

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	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
benjyfishy TH	1.07 0.90 1.32	239 226 259	17 9 8	/ 16 10 6 /	1 0 1	+1 -1 +2	70% 58% 88%	154 127 195	32% 27% 37%	0 0 0	1 1 0	-1 -1 0
paTiTek TH	0.76 0.65 0.93	170 154 195	11 6 5	/ 18 11 7 /	9 3 6	-7 -5 -2	60% 58% 63%	101 101 102	36% 32% 44%	1 1 0	2 1 1	-1 0 -1
MiniBoo TH	0.74 0.32 1.38	196 143 276	12 5 7	/ 18 12 6 /	1 0 1	-6 -7 +1	60% 50% 75%	130 88 194	21% 10% 32%	3 2 1	6 4 2	-3 -2 -1
RieNs TH	0.70 0.87 0.46	182 231 108	12 10 2	/ 18 11 7 /	2 2 0	-6 -1 -5	65% 58% 75%	117 146 73	46% 59% 14%	2 1 1	0 0 0	+2 +1 +1
Boo TH	0.63 0.77 0.42	153 167 134	10 8 2	/ 18 10 8 /	10 6 4	-8 -2 -6	60% 67% 50%	96 102 87	15% 13% 22%	1 0 1	4 2 2	-3 -2 -1

	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
N4RRATE KC	1.39 0.67 1.87	261 142 342	19 4 15	/ 11 6 5 /	9 4 5	+8 -2 +10	85% 63% 100%	194 123 241	44% 40% 45%	3 1 2	1 1 0	+2 0 +2
marteen KC	1.38 1.49 1.31	313 351 289	23 10 13	/ 14 6 8 /	3 1 2	+9 +4 +5	85% 75% 92%	210 224 202	33% 27% 41%	5 3 2	2 0 2	+3 +3 0
sh1n KC	1.18 1.15 1.19	204 248 176	16 8 8	/ 10 5 5 /	7 3 4	+6 +3 +3	80% 75% 83%	140 170 119	41% 39% 44%	1 0 1	2 1 1	-1 -1 0
MAGNUM KC	1.10 0.84 1.28	212 151 254	16 4 12	/ 14 5 9 /	3 2 1	+2 -1 +3	80% 63% 92%	139 103 163	18% 11% 22%	2 0 2	1 1 0	+1 -1 +2
tomaszy KC	0.94 1.64 0.48	179 241 138	14 8 6	/ 13 4 9 /	8 4 4	+1 +4 -3	85% 88% 83%	112 136 96	38% 33% 43%	2 1 1	1 0 1	+1 +1 0

Team Heretics

4 / 1

Split PICK

38:24

Karmine Corp

8 / 5

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	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
paTiTek TH	1.07 1.40 0.40	199 249 101	12 10 2	/ 12 7 5 /	5 4 1	0 +3 -3	61% 67% 50%	130 168 56	52% 58% 33%	1 0 1	2 1 1	-1 -1 0
Boo TH	0.99 0.98 1.01	189 173 224	12 7 5	/ 14 9 5 /	3 3 0	-2 -2 0	67% 75% 50%	118 112 130	28% 31% 22%	1 1 0	2 1 1	-1 0 -1
MiniBoo TH	0.84 0.94 0.64	196 203 182	12 9 3	/ 15 9 6 /	1 0 1	-3 0 -3	50% 50% 50%	135 122 162	21% 21% 21%	5 4 1	3 2 1	+2 +2 0
RieNs TH	0.62 0.64 0.56	137 118 177	6 3 3	/ 15 9 6 /	9 7 2	-9 -6 -3	56% 58% 50%	99 89 119	36% 26% 67%	0 0 0	1 1 0	-1 -1 0
benjyfishy TH	0.53 0.44 0.71	129 107 174	8 4 4	/ 17 11 6 /	4 4 0	-9 -7 -2	50% 50% 50%	81 67 109	30% 19% 57%	2 1 1	1 1 0	+1 0 +1

	R	ACS	K	D	A	+/–	KAST	ADR	HS%	FK	FD	+/–
sh1n KC	1.77 2.94 1.19	269 398 205	19 10 9	/ 8 1 7 /	8 2 6	+11 +9 +2	72% 83% 67%	170 240 136	36% 50% 27%	1 0 1	2 0 2	-1 0 -1
marteen KC	1.33 0.91 1.54	304 275 319	19 6 13	/ 12 5 7 /	5 2 3	+7 +1 +6	83% 83% 83%	188 182 191	35% 42% 32%	6 2 4	2 2 0	+4 0 +4
N4RRATE KC	1.06 0.88 1.15	251 182 286	16 3 13	/ 12 4 8 /	5 4 1	+4 -1 +5	78% 83% 75%	157 132 170	18% 19% 18%	2 1 1	2 0 2	0 +1 -1
MAGNUM KC	0.94 1.23 0.79	149 186 131	11 5 6	/ 10 3 7 /	6 3 3	+1 +2 -1	78% 83% 75%	102 108 100	19% 17% 21%	0 0 0	1 1 0	-1 -1 0
tomaszy KC	0.91 0.81 0.95	130 203 95	8 4 4	/ 8 4 4 /	6 4 2	0 0 0	72% 50% 83%	89 116 76	59% 50% 67%	0 0 0	2 0 2	-2 0 -2

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sk_

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in my defence, this was the most unexpected final

kc 3-1 heretics

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number2_cNed_fan

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you can't switch up and make me look stupid now 🗿🗿

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Keegy2

-3

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Fnatic 3-1 Heretics

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kochamopierdalackoziejaja

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bro chagners and still got it wrong xdd

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Lucrix

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wait he's cooking

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shadowrayTV

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bro took the leftovers and made a michelin meal

number2_cNed_fan

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FUT 3-2 FNC 🗿🧔🏾‍♀️(cNed)

FNC_Ajay

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(cNed) did -13 in elim game vs KC

n1cf

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erm...

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number2_cNed_fan

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Guys, i did NOT cook

Zerphyr1

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Imagine if TH wins

Zerphyr1

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KC 3-2 FNC

Sebasclz

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lmao

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Zerphyr1

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bruh ofc they verse each other. Now it will be KC 3-1 N0vi

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DaBigPanda

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whelp, 3rd times the charm???

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Zerphyr1

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kc 3-0 th

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drishaan

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3-1*

Moon999

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FNC 3-1 KC

FNC_Ajay

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Fnc should win

#54

azureblade101

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good thing you said should

#74

FNC_Ajay

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Meta slave fnc losing makes happy in a way

No different comps and no innovative plays

I miss old firepower deficient fnc , when mini+ boaster used to cook

#10

Chow1E

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navi fnc
fnc win, navi save strat as usual for madrid

#11

Chow1E

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bump

#46

Cannot

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you'll get 'em next time champ

#12

juno_VLR

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the fact that this is uselessly a BO5 while the actual decider matches (semis) are BO3 is the most valorant thing ever.

#66

my_name_jeff

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this master qual doesnt have that much weight as regular season but championship points bo5 makes sense

#13

vollizie

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Imagine if we get KC vs TH. It's probably not going to happen, but that would be insane.

#29

loloscum

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UR INSANE NGL

#36

SALLC0

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Oh boy do I got something to tell you

#39

Cheasle2

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wake up

#16

douradoxp

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FNC 3-1 NAVI

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meunknown123

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kc 3-2 th

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Astar

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KC 3-1 whoever qualified

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Bluez

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Fnatic 3-1 Navi

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meowchan

-2

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NAVI 3-2 FNC
this will be a banger fr

#63

phm04

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it COULD'VE been a banger if both teams decided to turn up

#68

meowchan

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i mean it still can be banger KC VS TH its going to be so much fun ngl

#23

cheesus

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Imagine if TH vs KC 🤩

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meunknown123

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you can stop imagining now

#24

finnwithtwons

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TH 3-0 KC

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AlmartAn

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FNC 3 TH 2

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Martinao

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I Hope TH aren’t frauds

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Ayush33

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KC 3 - 1 TH

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Ayush33

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Told y'all

#30

Baumi

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wtf help... TH 3-1

#31

antidroid

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THEY DID THE FUNNY THING LETSGOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

#33

MaGaCr09

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Fortnite goat aces x39

#34

cocow7k

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TH 3-0

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Maris322

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TH 3-0 KC

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Aranmoes

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Not the teams most of us expected to reach this point but these upsets are always welcomed

That being said, TH 3-1

#38

Cheasle2

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Heretics 3-1 KC
never thought i'd be commenting this on a grand final

#40

Soltua0p

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TH 3 KC 0

#41

BliTzgoop

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Heretics will crush KC

TH 3 -1 KC

miniboo diff marteen

#42

NowhereOFF

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ON A ARRACHE FNATIC RAMENEZ NOUS QUI VOUS VOULEZ ON VA TOUT GAGNER #KCWIN

#50

TheHowling02

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sa vas etre dure contre les frere boo

#113

NowhereOFF

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On les a brûlés xd

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TheHowling02

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grave

#43

anyr

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ITS TIME FOR OUR REVENGE
KC 3-2 TH

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Pabs

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How Tf can ppl say 3-2 or even 3-1 for KC after Heretics beat them 13-4 / 13-4 with a 6-0 run so far in kick off
I don't say Kc can't win, but definitely Heretics are the favorites to take it here.
VAMOSSS HERETICS!!

#45

anyr

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brother the level of KC on all levels increased so mutch between the match against GX and today
I am 100% confident for victory
In any case its great to see both GROUP A underdog teams finish in Madrid

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lostindoubt

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Who in the goddamn world wouldve predicted we would get two of the most under performing teams to have changed this much and defeat both NAVI and Fnatic in a reasonable easy match?

So stoked to see completly different teams to make it to international LAN.
Same thing happened in the Pacific with Gen G making to Madrid with 3 points.

Im hoping we will see the same thing in AMER and see SEN qualify instead of NRG.

#48

santiago_brs

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I really didn't think these two teams were going to make it to the grand final, but here they are, both playing very well for their part.

so for me it's going to be TH 3-1 KC

#49

Kaleidoscope80

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KC 3-1 TH

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jupiterr

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TH 3-2 KC

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Dokka

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Heretics are yet to drop a map and the boo brothers are still 1 and two. They double 13-4ed KC earlier this week

But

You stick three duelists in a game with debatably lower stakes then today and they might just pug out.

Enghs ability to antistrat and help the team learn after a match can’t be underestimated

Either clean sweep for heretics
Or
Close game for KC I think

#55

CharlesOlendario

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#57

0fcuZ

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Marteen and N4RRATE vs Boo and MiniBoo

I am NA biased and trust Engh the goat coach so 3-2 KC.

Map 5 at least guaranteed 🔐

#58

Pec4enk9z

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EU right now: KC and TH is my region on Masters catDespair
NA right now: Surely LOUD and NRG coming to Masters Surely
Pacific right now: At least we have PRX with Monyet on Masters Aware (GEN.G is good too)
China right now: We dont care we will always have EDG as 1st seed (HELLNAH TvirusLake is my representation of region)

#59

cheesus

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this is gonna be a banger match! hoping for a long game. 3-2 for tba! best of luck to both teams

#60

KIPI

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VAMOS HERETICS

#61

Conut

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I had heretics vs fnatic with fnatic winning, Looks a bit different now...

#64

Rimuru_T

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i think KC can win

#65

acels2

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n4rrate drops 100 kills to win 3-2

#67

alisammm

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3-1 KC

Finally a international event with new teams, good to see

Big respect to Heretics

#69

Utkarsh_pr

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If kc wins this then am done with EMEA but if it actually does then massive respect to their grind (no hate :) )

#70

FNC_Ajay

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Boo FTW

#71

NEGATIVE69

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Rip to everybody's pick em's

#72

EMEAstan

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TH 3-0 KC
13-4 13-4 13-4

#73

Coolkas

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This matchup so entertaining

#75

Narwhalote

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Heretics is scary af

#87

KCCapi

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KC is scary af

#76

McJuankar

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Easy for miniboo

#77

Chow1E

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young prodigy match

#78

CecBrands

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swam swam to die on the beach

#79

Enquiem197

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Only in NA people make a big deal out of an average player like Narrate, bro has been baiting his teammate every round lmfao

#85

0fcuzi

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get ratioed!

#91

yaiima0

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N4rrate >>> eu frauds

#80

Utkarsh_pr

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Boo brothers are too strong

#81

jsh145

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hretics legit throwing

#82

rkeoeoeoo

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how dare they not picking raze on lotus its insane

#83

Afflicted

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so fun to sell their own map picks

#84

jsh145

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TH pick Lotus;

#86

doc_octavius

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this is the emea we all wanted not usual liquid,navi,fnatic one.

#88

Sonatine

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marteen and N4RRATE are absolute beasts.

#89

Average_NA_fan

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low quality game

EMEA is so dead

#96

Tutatong

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Yeah NA is so entertaining! Always the best team in NA is..... from Brazil xD

#90

rkeoeoeoo

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BOOs are trolling
split for KC ez

#92

evvve

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thats the boo i know

#93

Asceeeeee

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What is about banana in that series ?

#94

imbusydad

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boo is fucking terrible holy shit

#97

wxngster

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NA ON TOP

#98

anyr

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CHAMPION MON FRERE

#99

DjinnFreecs

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What a totally throw for heretics. can even aim properly, always lose to 3v1 3v2 kekw. Nice 3 2 2.

when heretics and KC face each other in everywhere in Esport expect for some throw even though heretics always in upperhand

#100

Dhrom49

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NA ON TOP

#101

Twentytwo

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I believe KC

#103

antidroid

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KC getting a trophy while GEN.G get a piece of cardboard is crazy

#104

ashe0505

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KC FROM LAST TO TOP :D !

#105

kchaiz

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Team Heretics will come back stronger it is obvious that they did not show everything sl2 ggwp:)

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Killafox_

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Map 4 stats please need to flex my goat n4rrate's kd

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destroylonely

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NA DIFF

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1ucid

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this roster is doing so well

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yungbasel

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What engh has done with this team is just absurd.
Congrats

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LULE

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ENGH GIGACHAD

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soapformen

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WHAT COLOR IS IIIIIT

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