double ini, not necessarily double scan is good at taking map control and space through utility. Double ini will use recons flashes and stuns to take space and set up a single duelists, however because so much of this value comes from investing utility before taking fights, its map control patterns are very very predictable and counterable. Once ini util is commited to one side of the map, defenders can simply gain information about where space is being taken and which lanes are recieveing util, the weak lanes and where the single duelist will be positioned.

So, when defending against double ini u should do lots of contact plays as the timings of when to contact are pretty obvious, and you should know if ur contacting a weak lane or a strong lane as the inis will need to set up the single duelist, so u can easily contact and exploit their weak lanes. U should also bait out as much early utility as possible as double ini relies heavily on utility to create strong site hits. If they are forced to spend utility early, their execute becomes very weak, whereas if u dont contest the early lanes then they will have a very very strong site exec. Also if ur the team playing double ini, u shouldnt rely on contact plays as the enemies will contest early space so u will just be dry walking into them and because double ini is built around using utility to take map control, so avoiding it mostly pointless.

The point of double ini is more so for defense, where it is supposed to be built around amazing stall and forces attackers to do heavy defaults to bait out the defensive util first before they hit, in these scenarios double scan isnt ideal as the problem isnt locating attackers as they will be forced into heavy defaults which will spread them across the map, but its delaying them until they commit, double scan simply provides less util to delay with when instead teams will normally just run kayo or tejo with a scan ini which has much better stall.

The same idea is also for attack. FOr instance if ur attacking on lotus and u want to take c mound at the start of the round, having a dog vs a dog and a dart or drone will provide basically the same immediate info, so its useless using 2 pieces of scan/reclear util at the same time. But since ur only using 1 reclear util like a fade dog, then u wont have value in having a second ini to help take space if its only util is a scan ini's util, versus if u a kayo or tejo then a molly or flash will help a lot more in taking that mound space. So then u might think the advantage is that the second scan ini's util can instead be used to reclear a or b main later in the round. However, because there is only one duelists, there usually isnt enough tempo to clear c mound and then immediately reclear A or B and still have someone (the single duelists most of the time) who can instantly solidify and actually take space based on the scans info. A single scan ini is usually enough to gather all the information needed for those later reclears, a second scan ini can still provide info but info alone isnt nearly as valuable if there isnt a duelist nearby to immediately convert it into map control, teams will exploit this heavily by contacting and reclearing space that an ini just recleared since they know the single duelist couldnt solidify that map control based on the tempo. Simply having flashes and mollies is way more valuable.

also we are in a double duel meta and double duel counters double ini generally.

sorry if i wrote a lot, i did this to solidify my own understanding into words as well. :D

yeah but they just buy another acc once they get banned, most of the high end cheats can easily get u thru 200-300 games before u get banned

bro its so obviously fake how r experienced players falling for this

the cheaters only get bad once u get to high imm - rad

no vlr just combines all the 1vx's as a clutch and doesnt differentiate between a 1v1 and a 1v5 so under clutches for the stats page for an event a 1v1 has the same weight as a 1v5 but im saying the api is actually able to differentiate and so its the vlr devs that decide not to differentiate between a lost 1v1 and a lost 1v5.

the api counts the amount of 1v1s and 1v2s, i wish vlr added a way to sort between them but unfortunately u will just have to check every single match page at the event

prime yessirskii was peak baiting

#AheadOfTheCurve

def not a raze map, rest will get played even if its not much at all like i dont like we'll see much of vyse or phoenix but they'll def be played at least once in each region.

no yessirskii, qwerty and gamr??????

how does haeyoday on the 2nd map have 13 kills but only a 39 adr and 63 acs?

on the vod haeyoday has 214 acs which matches renz's listed acs and renz has a 101 acs which matches shondex, the actual stat lines seem to be right but the players listed under each rating and acs/adr is incorrect. from acs in order it should be haeyoday, shondex, geeza, renz and then ange.

SRB stats are also mixed for the 2nd map as well.

8/8 bait i cant lie

we staying in gold with this one ✌️

yeah GE is cooked now

too easy for us

the more angles the better chamber is tho

idk if that will work well, retaking on this map looks to be terrible and only having astra for stall is basically useless as they can just wait out the 3 seconds of utility and hit the site, especially if ur stacking the other parts of the map as the stall wont stall long enough for the team to flood, omens para is better for stall so u could just have an aggressive omen on the weak side with this comp instead.

just my thoughts

hes just saying solo fade is better then solo sova which is correct, 2 dogs will be way more valuable then a drone and shocks especially bc of how good chamber is on this map

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u cannot be serious, have u watched any of the games?

low ur sens and play aim trainers

holy larp

how can one hate frost

not rlly

they had it way before

it hasnt been played yet

feel like the amount of games before u start losing rr from dodging should be more the higher the rank u are.

yeah but he def wasnt gonna join any other good team in na tho, just pure cope

ignored mouse lift bc mouse lifts barely move the mouse especially when ur a rad player even on very high sens but it is more explanable bc he was reading chat and not focused fully on what hes doing with his right hand. Yes cs anti cheat is ass and thats the main reason i dont play that game but in val especially oce cheaters, it's terrible, its the reason most of us high rank players dont even play ranked, we just scrim and play 10 mans bc the cheating and wt is so bad. Last 2 acts have gotten so bad that around every 2nd game u verse a cheater, its ridiculous.

there's already been 20-30 imm3-rad cheaters banned this act in oce not including the very well known cheaters who use very good dma or pc to pc who last around 6 months before they get banned. I use to be like you and think that legit nobody cheats and 90% of the time its pure cope but once i hit rad and experienced first hand just how many cheaters there are in rad-imm3 who play ranked for a few months then get banned and then go on new accounts under legit the exact same name, baffles me. I even joined a discord server of some ranked friends who i'd played maybe 40+ games with and after the server died i scrolled up and saw 10 ppl legit talking about what cheat providers they use and different sales that are happening who i all thought were natty players, some are still not banned yet as well. oce vcl is also full of cheaters who just cheat in ranked and then turn them off in vcl or just the other way around. and I aint even coping bc eventually they all get banned and most either just quit, keep buying accounts to cheat on or just claim it was a false ban. Theres even devs that just unban some of the cheaters once they get banned, one guy has 5 "false bans" this past 2 acts alone bc the anti cheat keeps banning him but he just gets unbanned after. Legit yesterday there was a a random guy cheating running around spin botting in ranked thankfully he only lasted around 12 hours but it doesnt get talked about enough.

Yeah looking back haeyoday was def not cheating not entirely bc its been 2 years and the anticheat prob woulda detected him if it was cheats but bc of all the other reasons combined such as the hand cam and i cant think of a time where someones noticed his hand cam not aligned with his crosshair movement or just all the other reasons. Some reason ppl think most cheaters who are imm or rad are like diamond players without their cheats but most of the time if lets say they are 500rr cheating then they are prob still imm2 or so without the cheats.

I've been very annoyed with ranked recently and all the cheaters and wting that ive sorta been paranoid thinking more ppl cheat then they do when oce is just an ass region, we dont even deserve vcl anymore with the amount of cheating and wting, even some of the top pros perma wt

after looking back frame by frame, u are right. the first frame of the flick is what your ss depicts which is slightly above the jetts head, the flick woulda been center if the jett wasnt crouching but he was and then after the jett uncrouches into the crosshair which is at the center of the head but this wasnt the initial flick and cheats woulda accounted for the crouch assuming it is just straight aimbot. So unless the cheats somehow doesnt take into account the crouch which would make no sense as aimbot follows the hitbox or unless hes using a cheat with randomised aim offset then yeah he wasnt cheating and it was just an extremely unlikely timing and mouse movement.

So yeah i dont think that clip was cheating and i retract most of my points, he could still very well be cheating but that wasnt my focus at all in this thread, it was just on this particular clip and wheather its legit or cheats. this also doesnt disregard the amount of ppl that do cheat in ranked but not in vcl or other tournaments which happens way more regularly than ppl think, just look at csgo and the pros for examples (and thats only players who have been caught which is not the majority).

"while in reality the crosshair is not even on the guy at all". just pure ragebait the crosshair is locked onto his head for like 7 frames and then u show after the lock when his crosshair isnt on the guys head.

also so many radiants will just sometimes cheat in ranked and then play natty for competitions.

firstly they would never get implemented into pro play bc otherwise teams will need to sort out multiple team comps, scrim them and figure out protocals and set plays for them which is 3x more effort and will lead to more mechanical teams having the advantage and the overall quality of valorant will decrease. While ranked is obviously not pro play it would feel off if only ranked has agent bans and pro play won't.

Also, insta locking is already very built into ranked for so many ppl, just look at how many ppl were upset with the yoru nerfs. So even if agent bans will spice things up many ppl will get more upset bc their agent is gone, especially in the lower ranks and especially if its a very good/broken agent. Imagine you main neon and finally neon gets a buff and is the best agent in ranked but then u can only play neon 30% of the time in ranked bc everyone just bans her.

But i mainly just dont think riot will do something for ranked that they wont even implement into pro play. (they asked pro coaches a while ago what they though of agent bans and the vast majority said they don't want it, pretty sure frost said it but i could be wrong).

even if there were enough agents the answer would still be no

"Actual peak assendant player if u think he's cheating. He's a scammer, but not a cheater." I'm 100% a higher rank then u so pls dont bring up experience or rank.

"I'm waiting for you to pull a schrodinger's ragebait. If not, then come back to this after I'm proven right" there is almost no way for you to be proven right, so idk why u keep saying come back to this. The only way u could be proven right is if he does a pc scan but that aint happening.

"He saw the jett on the minimap/obs" as i explained before he wasnt looking at obs, he was reading chat and as i explained his reaction time was way too fast for him to actually aim at the jett especially bc he was not looking at his monitor bc he WAS READING CHAT, no obs excuse, and this is supported even more by him not actually shooting when his mouse locked onto the jett.

There is no way his lock onto jett was on purpose, it was clearly as accident like i explained before which is still possible but the chance is very very low as i explained before. You ignored my main argument in ur reply and instead have ranted about the reasoning for him to cheat which is terrible supportive reasoning, so this will be my last reply unless u address my main argument.

most ppl dont realise that most val cheaters dont cheat every single game, and i also think haeyoday is very skilled even if i assume he is cheating and so while yeah he looks natty this clip is just so sus its just absurd. easily the most sus clip of any player that i believe is natty.

firstly theres like a 90% chance he isnt looking at his obs as why tf would he be looking at obs when his game is right infront of him, he was definitely just looking at chat instead (also if u actually watch the yt video he said he was "looking at chat"). Also if u play the clip at normal speed he locks onto the jett's head extremely fast, way too fast for any player looking away from the screen and zoned out. (180ms if u go frame by frame and thats right as when a slither of jetts arms is exposed). Then his crosshair locks onto his head perfectly at the center and if he actually somehow saw jett out of the corner of his eye, zoned out and reacted at 180ms then it still doesnt explain why he didnt shoot and just stared at the jett as if he actually reacted to that jett then he would have shot his gun.

this shit COULD happen to anyone but it doesnt bc the chances of someone accidently moving their mouse the perfect amount whilst reading chat to where the crosshair locks exactly onto an enemy right as the enemy swung is astronomatically unlikely to happen.

I still think that he was prob toggled for this game bc of just how unlikely this is to happen since it was 100% an accident.

just tell me yk nothing about the game

thats counting funhavers btw 😂

bro ngl there is way too much zellsis hate, he really aint that bad

omg ill take you

biggest ego ever for a guy thats only aim and perma blames teamates utility when he perma picks reyna. also just an annoying dude

ngl i thought #17 was OP

i used to abuse bugs all the time in unrated like 2 years ago when u could teleport under the map with sage, omen and yoru. did it like 10 times total and never got banned or a warning or anything. u even have content creators openly using the bugs and not getting a warning or ban

we all believe u

only way u get banned is if its in comp or u spammed that shit in comp/swift

and even then its prob only like a 10% chance

try different senses and find what works for u. for me very low sens works but for others it doesn't. there is no best sens as someones best sens ranges from person to person

immo+

i mean i feel like ppl will only watch it no spoilers if they actually care about the game/the teams

100%

xeus

whats ur tracker

like the worst rr ive seen in high imm3 low rad is like -26 +16 and the guy just perma 5 stacks and elo abuses, whereas most of the soloq rads are -20 +17 or so. I personally get -20 +19 in low rad which all comes from mostly soloq and some duoq.