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Recency Bias

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#1
Subreezy

It's kinda annoying seeing people say "PRX/Fnatic is bad" or "DRX/100T/Leviatan is good" when not even 4 days ago most people were saying the opposite. These teams play 1-2 games and all of a sudden they're a top 4 or a bottom 4 team?

This isn't meant to discredit each individual team's performance, i think leviatan proved everybody wrong and counter-stratted Liquid and PRX, but to see everyone switch up so fast when Leviatan has always been a good team (only lost 12-14 and 15-17 to fnatic in Copenhagen) is crazy. Also, calling 2nd and 4th place at Copenhagen dogshit because of a few games in champs is so incorrect. People called 100T onliners and now that they beat fnatic they got a shit ton of praise. People kept calling DRX chokers and now that they beat 100T they're getting a shit ton of praise too. 1 game does not prove that a team is a top contender or not. Region match ups, strats, team chemistry, and mental fortitude all matter too.

I bet if XSET beats FPX tomorrow, most people on VLR would say XSET is a top 4 team or FPX is washed even though that couldn't be farther from the truth. Lucky games happen and unlucky games happen.
(LMAO THIS CAME TRUE)

P.S. I don't think this is me getting baited either. I've seen some respectable users on VLR fall for this recency bias too. I'm happy for the wins each team gets, but that doesn't automatically make them better than the team they beat. If you think a team is good/bad, great! Don't change your opinion solely based off of 1-2 games.

edit: thanks for 50 upvotes, i didn't know my opinion resonated so much with people. just to reiterate, if you're a fan of a team mentioned, i'm not criticizing the teams, only the viewers who praise/shit on them for 1 good/bad showing

#2
Perma
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It's kinda annoying seeing people say "PRX/Fnatic is bad" or "DRX/100T/Leviatan is good" when not even 4 days ago most people were saying the opposite. These teams play 1-2 games and all of a sudden they're a top 4 or a bottom 4 team?

This isn't meant to discredit each individual team's performance, i think leviatan proved everybody wrong and counter-stratted Liquid and PRX, but to see everyone switch up so fast when Leviatan has always been a good team (only lost 12-14 and 15-17 to fnatic in Copenhagen) is crazy. Also, calling 2nd and 4th place at Copenhagen dogshit because of a few games in champs is so incorrect. People called 100T onliners and now that they beat fnatic they got a shit ton of praise. People kept calling DRX chokers and now that they beat 100T they're getting a shit ton of praise too. 1 game does not prove that a team is a top contender or not. Region match ups, strats, team chemistry, and mental fortitude all matter too.

I bet if XSET beats FPX today, most people on VLR would say XSET is a top 4 team or FPX is washed even though that couldn't be farther from the truth. Lucky games happen and unlucky games happen.

P.S. I don't think this is me getting baited either. I've seen some respectable users on VLR fall for this recency bias too. I'm happy for the wins each team gets, but that doesn't automatically make them better than the team they beat. If you think a team is good/bad, great! Don't change your opinion solely based off of 1-2 games.

#16
nairolf1337
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You really thought you did something there huh

#27
Subreezy
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all good

#58
Fizz
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Yooo Subreezy with da prx flair

#3
ZPEmE
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d

#52
complx_11
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You really thought you did something there huh

EDIT: ZPEmE edited their comment and now the joke is ruined

#53
complx_11
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all good

#60
sont0
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Yooo Subreezy with da prx flair

#64
Subreezy
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this is so fuckin funny +1

#65
thorking1234567899
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I'm getting deja vu

#78
Sharo
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Take that flair off

#4
Luck_
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w subreezy as usual

#5
luckypleb
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They all are good teams and have the chance to beat each other and it's hard to win constantly but it would be boring to say it like that

#6
Pogtestic
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Agreed

#7
PeterGriffin
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W subreezy. give your energy for boom tonight. win or go home

#8
Subreezy
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im hoping for a boom win :) Berserx has to pick it up though

#9
GYKM
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is it ok if I was saying drx was always good?

#12
Subreezy
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i mean yeah, if you're confident in your team then that's great! i'm referring to people seeing a team win/lose and determining how good of a team they are based off of that one game.

#13
GYKM
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yey :D

#76
kbkdark
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DRX was always good for sure... the problem is that they become to choke in the most important matches of every tournament 😕

#81
Subreezy
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yeah, but it's odd how all of a sudden DRX isn't "chokers" anymore, solely cause they got first seed in their group

#83
kbkdark
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Actually the choker part about DRX are in Playoffs, they had grouped just once, that was in Champions 2021

#10
Okayyyyyy
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I feel like the teams people are praising (DRX, 100T, Lev) were teams that a lot of people had doubts about and came in and proved their worth, all 3 of those teams were massively doubted coming into the tournament. However I never understood why people shit on teams so much after one loss, or even one poor tournament run

#15
Subreezy
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fair, maybe the teams that win get an appropriate amount of praise, but my point on the teams that lose still stands. people are way too reactionary when it comes to vct

#11
soraol
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Agree

#14
Chirby
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ULTRA COMMON SUBREEZY W

#17
MourninggStarr
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we are humans after all

#20
Subreezy
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true, which is why we should strive to give credit where credit is due to every team, not overhype them to hell (like what fans did to sentinels)

#88
Kiklop
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Sentinels even at lcq were just a meme. I was supporting them just cuz it would be so funny to see them again
Like an example of over hyping I would say edg. Even me expected much more from them

#18
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap3
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W

#19
DELUSIONAL_LAKIA_FAN
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rest i understand but i think leviathan have been pretty good since copenhagen (maybe not top 5, but who knows) they lost very close map 3's to DRX and fnatic.

now they look even better than last time, they've looked like one of the best teams so far

#21
Subreezy
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i agree with you! leviatan could’ve gotten further in playoffs if a single extra round in OT went in their favor against fnatic. they’ve always been good, they’ve just been unable to show it

#22
not_smart_user
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W

#23
Cayub
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If team A wins = team A is great
If team B loses = team B is shit and all the previous good results were a fluke

That's how vlrgg is, most people are extreme and unreasonable

#24
Subreezy
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more importantly,
if team A beats team B once, team A is better (even if team B has beat them multiple times in the past)

#25
Dybala21
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W subreezy

#26
Xcelsenpai
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Common W subreezy

#28
Faraday
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I always been saying fnatic was bad and lev was good, I ain't with the rest.

Subreezy L, recent results are unironically all that matter to predict current results, talking about the past is a meme because people want storylines

#30
Subreezy
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i mean this within reason. obviously you can’t look too far in the past to justify how good a team is (sentinels), but you should use it to tell the difference between a bad game and a fall from grace

#32
Faraday
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I think anything this year is relevant, anything in 2021 is fantasy

#34
Subreezy
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yeah i agree, which is why i used examples from 2022 to justify my argument

#29
Mortadelo
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Just hope FPX gets better by tomorrow or this is gonna be a shitshow

#31
arin2016
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Luck-based reasons are why I suggested the other day to introduce substitution systems.

#36
Subreezy
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what are substitution systems? can you link me the thread where you talked about this?

#38
Subreezy
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this seems like a good idea in theory, but as some people in the comments said, most 6+ member teams don’t do well. there’s something about having 5 players that works the best

#47
arin2016
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I think one guy misunderstood my post. I'm not talking about a 6 man team. I'm saying there will be substitutes with a bench that allows 3 people. And you can sub them in at any given time. If game goes to map 3, it becomes a long time. Being able to change players mid game is a big help.

#33
zardinez
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Truth

#35
Reflex_
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common subreezy W

#39
nutab1e
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It's kinda annoying seeing people say "PRX/Fnatic is bad" or "DRX/100T/Leviatan is good" when not even 4 days ago most people were saying the opposite. These teams play 1-2 games and all of a sudden they're a top 4 or a bottom 4 team?

This isn't meant to discredit each individual team's performance, i think leviatan proved everybody wrong and counter-stratted Liquid and PRX, but to see everyone switch up so fast when Leviatan has always been a good team (only lost 12-14 and 15-17 to fnatic in Copenhagen) is crazy. Also, calling 2nd and 4th place at Copenhagen dogshit because of a few games in champs is so incorrect. People called 100T onliners and now that they beat fnatic they got a shit ton of praise. People kept calling DRX chokers and now that they beat 100T they're getting a shit ton of praise too. 1 game does not prove that a team is a top contender or not. Region match ups, strats, team chemistry, and mental fortitude all matter too.

I bet if XSET beats FPX today, most people on VLR would say XSET is a top 4 team or FPX is washed even though that couldn't be farther from the truth. Lucky games happen and unlucky games happen.

P.S. I don't think this is me getting baited either. I've seen some respectable users on VLR fall for this recency bias too. I'm happy for the wins each team gets, but that doesn't automatically make them better than the team they beat. If you think a team is good/bad, great! Don't change your opinion solely based off of 1-2 games.

#43
Vortexy
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:/

#49
Subreezy
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lol!

#86
Avix
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You really thought you did something there huh

#40
charizard_123
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Thats just vlr for you. Also all it takes is three good maps in a lan for a player to be considered top20 in the world

#41
CrimsonPride
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DRX was always good. and now they are even better than before

#48
Subreezy
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i agree, i was stating the consensus i saw on vlr based off of upfrags and downfrags on drx threads. anyone who said drx was a good team 1 week ago would’ve been downfragged to hell, now the opposite is true solely because they won

#71
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this always happend. Val community rides on hype. if a plyer does good 1 map he's the best player in the world or atleast TOP 3 player in ther world or that team is top 3 team in the world. i still remember how asuna got 48k on icebox in like 36 rounds and people was going batshit crazy and saying asuna was the greatest icebox player ever. like bro chill it's just 1 day. (not saying asuna is a bad player). the same happened last master when DRX was destroying every team everyone supported and loved DRX and said they will win it all but after they lost everyone was like they aren't even top 6 team. val community is full of braindeads and so is the game. that's why it's way better to play 5man stack than random solo

#72
Subreezy
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i think DRX has felt recency bias the worst, i feel extremely bad for them. yeah they choke, but i saw a good amount of people putting DRX in the bottom 4 of champs

#73
CrimsonPride
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exactly. well that's just how valorant community is. nothing we can do

#42
Vortexy
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W agreed with everything you just said

#44
s1nek
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It's champions, all teams are good

#45
capital_d_colon
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Been trying to preach this.
Issue is the lack of games each team plays it's hard to judge the ranking of teams, people are way to reactionary with it though

#46
Sushi_
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It's hard not to be recency biased, but everything you've said is correct. every team is good, and differant teams will come to tournaments in different forms

#50
sentinelmain377
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I was always saying these are good: FNC, FPX, TL, LEVI, DRX, LOUD,
i was always saying these are decent: optc, kru, edg
i was always saying these are bad: xset, 100t, prx, boom, xia, zeta, furia,

i do not know who these bandwagoners are

#54
Subreezy
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trust me, they exist. maybe not you, but there’s a lot of users who bandwagon extremely hard

#57
BoF7ooM
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W list

#51
Mjtchell
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Me know 100T good

#55
Subreezy
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ur a top 3 favorite 100T fan for me

#62
Mjtchell
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I been rockin with 100T even through babyj and ec1s

#56
deathlyclaws
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W

#59
OkOkay
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It's kinda annoying seeing people say "PRX/Fnatic is bad" or "DRX/100T/Leviatan is good" when not even 4 days ago most people were saying the opposite. These teams play 1-2 games and all of a sudden they're a top 4 or a bottom 4 team?

This isn't meant to discredit each individual team's performance, i think leviatan proved everybody wrong and counter-stratted Liquid and PRX, but to see everyone switch up so fast when Leviatan has always been a good team (only lost 12-14 and 15-17 to fnatic in Copenhagen) is crazy. Also, calling 2nd and 4th place at Copenhagen dogshit because of a few games in champs is so incorrect. People called 100T onliners and now that they beat fnatic they got a shit ton of praise. People kept calling DRX chokers and now that they beat 100T they're getting a shit ton of praise too. 1 game does not prove that a team is a top contender or not. Region match ups, strats, team chemistry, and mental fortitude all matter too.

I bet if XSET beats FPX tomorrow, most people on VLR would say XSET is a top 4 team or FPX is washed even though that couldn't be farther from the truth. Lucky games happen and unlucky games happen.

P.S. I don't think this is me getting baited either. I've seen some respectable users on VLR fall for this recency bias too. I'm happy for the wins each team gets, but that doesn't automatically make them better than the team they beat. If you think a team is good/bad, great! Don't change your opinion solely based off of 1-2 games.

edit: thanks for 50 upvotes, i didn't know my opinion resonated so much with people. just to reiterate, if you're a fan of a team mentioned, i'm not criticizing the teams, only the viewers who praise/shit on them for 1 good/bad showing

#63
Subreezy
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damn this copy paste joke never gets old

#61
maxi447
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W take ngl

#66
brobeans
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vlr users have been talking trash forever. now people are upset when it's their team lol. facing a problem caused by themselves

#69
Subreezy
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none of my teams (maybe besides prx) are the teams i used as examples. if you want to discount this recency bias as me being upset, then that’s your prerogative

#67
tarik_chatter
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W post (i didn't read it)

#68
evvve
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saints row 3 theme

#70
Kk0bra
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Ultra common subreezy gigabyte W

#74
number1_MIBR_hater
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mucho texto, but Onur is clearly the best coach to ever touch this game, it's not recency bias, Leviathan are a great team and he is the cause

#75
Subreezy
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i think leviatan proved everybody wrong and counter-stratted Liquid and PRX, but to see everyone switch up so fast when Leviatan has always been a good team (only lost 12-14 and 15-17 to fnatic in Copenhagen) is crazy.

i agree with you

#79
number1_MIBR_hater
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🤝

#77
WOWMAN
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It's not that deep subreezy when you know that 90% of the people on this site are baiters. The ones who aren't, already know that every team deserves to be in this tourney and an upset could happen. And if they didn't they should now, after this thread.

And, also there is always gonna be bandwagoners u really can't stop that tbh

#80
Subreezy
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well yeah, i made this thread to inform the 10% of people who actually fall for this shit

#87
Pondy
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Honestly most sensible users are on here for stats only.

#89
WOWMAN
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Yea, agreed.

#82
CowboySG
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Anyone saying prx is bad is an idiot. I'll give a bit more leeway to fnatic, only because there is no excuse that they should have been struggling with the roster they have. Before Copenhagen they were the favorites to dominate the whole year, now they might get grouped in Champs. I still think they're a good team, but they fail to live up to the hype.

If anyone says FPX is bad, I have no words. Even if they managed to get grouped here, they are still a top team in the world. XSET on the other hand needs a lot more than 1 good win to prove they are top 5 team.

Finally Leviatan. They proved themselves in Copenhagen imo. Going back to even their 3-1 win over kru it led to some of the best valorant by a latam team yet. Kru, DRX, XSET, Fnatic, Liquid, and PRX as their last 6 games is a hell of a gauntlet of games to face and they are 4-2 (11-6 on maps). They are a legitimate contender to win Champs.

#84
Subreezy
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I think fnatic is the only team i mentioned that kinda deserves the switch up from the community but other than that i agree with you

#85
Subreezy
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i kinda had a right prediction, people instantly started saying FPX is washed

but i do agree that XSET could place top 4 this champs, they really showed improvement since masters 2

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