he wasn't IGLing tho

lost to bonkar and yacine is crazy
https://www.vlr.gg/85/prodigy-vs-nip-mandatory-cup-playoffs-qf

zach monster yaba should be the core for next year. Build from there

No he’s not a cypher one trick at all

Imagine being so bad you have analysts convinced you're doing it on purpose xD

he was not great this year at all, he was last year tho

Honestly not sure what what happen with PCFC

That’s better than it used to no? It can to to anywhere in the map?

Technically yes, realistically no

fair, still weird

I've heard a couple players u18 say that if they ascend they're allowed to play but never seen an official confirmation. It doesn't really make sense but idk why the actual players would say that.

We haven't seen an example in a while so no precedent to go off of. I remember Juicy got screwed a while back but it could have very much changed since then

He does not have 300ACS and 1.5rating, but yes he's very good. He's worked his way up all the way from Spanish tier 3 and he's improving a lot. I think he will eventually make it but not sure now is the time yet

wdym

If Apeks or M8 made playoffs only 4 teams would be making ascension (they won't so 6 teams will), it's very hard to make ascension now. I suppose it makes more sense if you think of the EMEA Challengers as previous rounds of Ascension and the actual Ascension is just like a playoff

back to back and undefeated

No, it's legit
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2025/Spain/Circuit_Points
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2025/Ascension/EMEA/Championship_Points

Puedes tener razon, la verdad you no lo tengo claro tampoco. Tiene sentido. En ese caso no habra equipos de la rising en ascension

JL looks good but don't think it's fair to put them at the level of those other 2. Maybe some bias?

I believe the rising points instead of qualifying you straight to ascension this year they qualify you for a Final Four. That's where it's decided who goes to ascension (I suppose KOI won't be playing there? Not sure).

What this 2 teams have qualified for is Challengers EMEA which KOI can play

pika has had a crazy step up, he was ass the first split but he’s getting steadily better by the day

Nope brother, if you pull out is a clear sign of lack of commitment. Don't think Riot will like that at all. Sure they would still have a chance, but chances lower for sure

If they leave they lose a lot of chances in 2027

Just promote this mfs already man. If Yaba and Zach (probably more, but minimum those 2) are not on KOI VCT next year it's crazy

Guardy revenge...

Apparently 9.3 milion people did

top first division teams are usually better than bottom second division teams in many traditional sports with promotion/relegation. It happens in many countries in football for example, does not mean they're not trying

yes, monster should stay

I think they should promote the core of the academy and build from there honestly. Choose the right pieces to complement them

LOL is the more successful esport, both models are proven to work.

Also the CS model without the gambling money is not sustainable, and although Riot is flexing that line I'm not sure they're willing to erase it

Ibai quit all costreams this year including the LOL ones to rest his mental yeah. Doesn't stream much at all. But clout it's not just about viewers, it's social media numbers, it's skins sold etc.

But yeah my point is more the one on #20, it's not about KOI specifically

Well if Ibai starts taking sport decisions then they're really fucked. He's the owner not the sporting director, he doesn't know anything about Valorant, he knows he shouldn't be making decisions and so he doesn't

Org wise Spain already have TH who will be up there for a while

Really think about that again and how that would have play out to decide if you still want it implemented. Read #20 for example

Sure brother sure. Have you thought about how franchising would look like if they introduced relegation?

Let's think about how that would have went, year1 for example:

League starts exactly the same. TH and KC get relegated as they were the 2 worst teams, instead you get M8 and Apeks. Instead of going into year 2 with 2 very capable orgs with resources and infrastructure to rebuild their team and big fanbases. You go into year 2 with 2 teams that fucking suck (M8 sucked their first year), less resources and on top of that no one fucking gives a shit about them (Not M8 you did get lucky there, they're a great org. But you're bound to get a lot more like Apeks not like M8, you would get teams like CGN, or random turkish orgs)

It's a little more complex than that. Couple things to explain

• KOI has an average budget for VCT, they make market value offers or slightly above but don't wanna compete with orgs with insane budgets like NAVI or KC (they lost the bidding war for hiro for example)
• KOI does currently have a problem in convincing players, competitiveness wise, some players have doubts and choose other projects (That's how they lost Minny to M8)
• In the past KOI had many internal issues, merging and separating from Rogue not allowing them to properly build rosters. But those problems are over now
• Now that the org is clean and stabilized KOI is a winning team, it won't take long until they figure Valorant out too. They're really good in LOL, COD and most of their games

Last year Ibai's event was the current record at like 4.3. And the next one on the list is the previous year with like 3.7 . It' a yearly thing. This is the 5th edition, and I believe those 5 streams are the 5 most watched streams of all time

It's a 5 hour boxing event, they just have random artists perform in between. It's like in between fights rn that's why

Also there's 70k people on that arena

It’s not an artist. It’s an event by a Streamer, Ibai (koi owner). Rn that’s just someone performing at the event, but that’s not the reason for the viewers, the event is. It’s a boxing event between streamers, but they invite singers, they had will smith perform last year for example

That I do agree with

Koi is a very big org, they do not have financial problems. Not anymore at least xD

7,4 million live viewers and counting

https://www.twitch.tv/ibai

It’s funny cause you chose the worst possible timing to say that. KOI owner has currently 7,4 million live viewers on twitch

Teams are gonna suck, but if someone is gonna suck let it be someone with fans, not teams no one cares about like Apeks. I’m sorry but I hardly disagree with everything you said here for many many reasons, teams do care

No, in that scenario they would still have to lose ascension too which seems unlikely

He needs to find consistency, but GX have something here

The bait would work if KC didn't make it out of groups

Zach’s celling on sentinel is higher

Oh I did, just didn't think it would translate so well to tier 1, he's out there playing Pheonix like he's Scream or something xD

When he got signed I thought he would have an average firepower but help a lot with the calling/roles. Turns out that mf has been straight up carrying this year to the point of starting to need to ask for help

Throwing the first map just to win the next 2 is the most TH thing there is

no, do better than apeks and make playoffs, they need both

Well not initiator necessarily, just not duelist, anything else he feels comfortable with is fine

not talking about a specific map, I'm saying as a team. Veqaj and Comeback can't both be main duelist, they should play more double duelist than other teams but Veqaj has to be main initiator