b0tnicle

The most forced EU agenda of all time will try to sell you Chronicle as a GOAT candidate. Their strongest argument is basically just a trophy count, which is already a weak argument considering thats a team achievement. Lets take a look at the superteam merchant "trophies" then:

b0tnicles "trophies" (none of them are Champions trophies):

1. Masters Berlin (2021): carried by prime nAts inventing lurking, Gambit was winning games with >Redgar playing Reyna< on Haven, plumbers era, VCT only truly started in 2022

2. Lockin (2023): he was fighting with Boaster for 4th best player on Fnatic (this never changed), played a GF against a nerfed LOUD team that had 2 rookies and their star players were suffering from serious health problems (aspas was going through physiotherapy and Less was taking serums between maps to not pass out, going to the hospital right after the games). He still almost lost and has zero memorable plays from that tournament. Leo MVP

3. Masters Tokyo (2023): something(Pacific MVP) was not there, Demon1 (future champs MVP) didnt practice with the team because of VISA issues, LOUD (Americas #1) was dead with internal problems

   • As soon as these asterisks disappeared, FNC did worse than all 3 teams at Champions 2023
     1- EG (Demon1 practiced with the team!)
     2- PRX (something was there!)
     3- LOUD (internal problems almost solved!)
     4- FNC

b0tnicle's performances on the tournament that matters, the World Championship of Valorant, Champions:

• Champions 2021: lost to -31 Kiles with +31 nAts on his team
• Champions 2022: didnt qualify
• Champions 2023: He was the MAIN REASON prime Fnatic 2023 lost Champions 23
  https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf -15 against LOUD (Quarterfinals)
  https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3 -22 against LOUD (Lower Semifinals) Fnatic eliminated.
• Champions 2024: Eliminated by SEN. Sacy is still more victorious than the "most victorious player" 😂
• Champions 2025: suffered the biggest support diff of all time against NRG Ethan. Ethan had 3 rookies on his team and carried them on the most important map of the year, 5th map of Champions Grand Finals. b0tnicle was getting carried all game by the only rookie on his team, we struggle to remember a singular round from ghostnicle on that 5 map BO5. Ethan is also more victorious than the "most victorious player" narrative they try to sell you 😂

The "most decorated player" argument falls to pieces as he never won the biggest trophy (got embarassed at the biggest stage every time), and he is just not the most decorated player, thats Ethan and even Sacy was already ahead of Chronicle in 2024.

How can he even be considered in GOAT convos when he never won the World Championship of the game? And 90% of the time, he has ghost performances getting carried by superteams, still chokes and worst of all: hes the main reason his superteam lost (Champions 2023, ruined prime Fnatic Champions run).

Some other bumicle finals appearances:

Masters Toronto: got carried by Alfajer again (better than cumnicle since 2022, thats almost all of VCT) Lost to f0rsaken, the true GOAT flex, who can actually play every agent and MVP'ed the tournament.

• b0tnicle was also beefing with teenagers and threatening them over a ranked clip a day before getting owned by PRX f0rsaken

EWC: not even a real tournament but he still managed to choke against the biggest chokers of all time

Individual stats: Chronicle has 3(three) teammates of his ABOVE him in international ratings, and somehow they're all worse than Chronicle? Greatest PR of all time

• Eye test: lets be real, we can remember maybe 3 Chronicle plays in 5 YEARS of VCT, we can also name at least 30 players that are objectively more skilled than him.

• Cultural impact: zero. Boaster is the face of Fnatic and nAts was the face of Gambit. How am I supposed to buy b0tnicle's narratives when hes never even the main guy of his team, in both performance AND cultural impact

Leo, Alfajer and Derke are the ones suffering the most from this forced b0tnicle agenda. Imagining carrying his ass for 90% of VCT while the superteam merchant gets all the flowers from it to the point he gets compared to >Aspas<...

How can you ever be considered in GOAT convos if you're never the best player of your own team for your entire career? In b0tnicle's case is even worse, he was competing for 4th Fnatic player against his 30 years old british tiktok dancer IGL.

EMEA's MVPs: 2023: Leo, 2024: Wo0t, 2025: kaajak

• He was never the MVP of his own region, but as you can see again, his super teammates are there to carry him year after year

Now he hopped into another superteam, in hopes of finally winning a real trophy, the Champions trophy. I feel for Derke, he'll have to carry him again and still get rated under b0tnicle.

Jesus

cumpickle

you're her, W based thread

didnt even need to check the flag and flair
like the game JUST ended lmao rent free

mf prefired

still got higher rating than f0rskin tho

BROTHER.

You trying to take babysasuke's spot with a Chron reply?

Asspisser where?

allat

trvth nvke

Son had this ready im fucking dead

Another negative impactless big match for the goat 🙏🔥

cook

Nothing but truth

asspass is the goat is the biggest bs ive ever heard

Unemployed bum was writing this since the game started what a loser

taking time out your day to type this

when asspas playing again?

preach

Chronically offline loser, you have 696767 posts on this platform only spreading hate. If you hate so many things in this world at some point you must look inward. You hate yourself and the life you live so instead of sitting in that feeling you constantly project those feelings to the world and things around you. I know you haven’t made a single notable achievement in your life so you cannot begin to understand what it is like at the highest level of anything. Usually if you have no understanding of something the best way to proceed is to keep quiet

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

rent free lmao aspas will never be the goat

W thread

STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

Ahhh post

Chronicle is very overrated but Aspas has also trolled this year, so we are primed for kangKang goat narrative if they win this tournament

Allat

Greatest copypasta of all time

What in the gpt

m0br

and then he clicked post

no real stats

just yapping and providing random h2h matches that dont mean anything

asspas is ass

asspas is trash

asspas is terrible

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asspas is garbage

asspas is worthless

asspas is pathetic

asspas is disappointing

asspas is overrated

asspas is weak

asspas is slow

asspas is washed

asspas is boosted

asspas is clueless

asspas is a fraud

asspas is useless

asspas is embarrassing

asspas is laughable

asspas is tragic

asspas is sad

asspas is a bot

asspas is helpless

asspas is a liability

asspas is a meme

asspas is deadweight

asspas is a disaster

asspas is painful to watch

The biggest issue is that the post uses a different standard for Chronicle than it applies to literally every other GOAT candidate.

1. "Trophies are a team achievement"

Correct.

But then the entire post immediately starts using team results against him.

"Didn't win Champions"
"Lost to SEN"
"Lost to LOUD"
"Lost to PRX"
"Didn't qualify"

You can't simultaneously argue that trophies don't matter because they're team achievements and then use team placements as the main evidence against a player.

If team success doesn't matter, then Aspas, Ethan, Sacy, f0rsaken, TenZ, etc. should all be judged almost entirely on individual impact.

If team success does matter, then Chronicle having one of the most accomplished resumes in VCT history absolutely matters.

The argument switches standards whenever it's convenient.

2. The "asterisk tournament" game can be played against everyone

The post tries to invalidate Berlin, LOCK//IN, and Tokyo because of circumstances.

Let's apply that logic everywhere:

Champions 2022: FPX had substitute issues all year.
Champions 2023: EG got a favorable meta and unexpected Demon1 breakout.
Champions 2024: various teams dealt with roster instability.
Every Masters ever had visa issues, injuries, role swaps, internal problems, or missing players.

Esports history is full of circumstances.

If you start putting asterisks on every event, eventually nobody has legitimate trophies.

At some point you have to accept the official results.

3. Chronicle's longevity is absurd

This is probably the strongest GOAT argument.

Many superstar players have had:

higher peaks
better mechanics
more MVP-level seasons

But Chronicle has remained relevant from:

Timofey 'Chronicle' Khromov Gambit era
M3C era
Fnatic era
multiple metas
multiple roles
multiple agent pools

Very few players have maintained elite international relevance for that long.

Longevity matters in GOAT conversations.

It matters in traditional sports.
It matters in esports.

4. "Never the best player on his team"

This is probably the weakest argument in the entire post.

GOAT discussions are not "who was the best player on their team the most times."

By that logic:

Scottie Pippen gets massively punished for playing with Michael Jordan.
Tim Duncan gets punished for playing with elite teammates.
Numerous CS legends would get downgraded for playing alongside other stars.

Being surrounded by elite players doesn't automatically make your achievements meaningless.

In fact, the ability to fit into multiple championship-caliber rosters is itself valuable.

5. "He was carried"

People say this about literally every support/flex player.

Chronicle's role has rarely been:

primary duelist
stat farmer
system centerpiece

A lot of his value comes from:

flexibility
role coverage
utility
adaptation

Those qualities often don't dominate HLTV-style stat sheets.

If your argument is "his teammates had better ratings," that is expected when comparing a flex player to stars like:

Leo Jannesson
Emir 'Alfajer' Beder
Nikita 'Derke' Sirmitev

The question isn't whether they were better fraggers.

The question is whether Chronicle was essential to winning.

Most analysts would say yes.

6. Champions is not the only event that matters

The post basically treats Champions as the only meaningful tournament.

That's not how Riot's circuit works.

Winning:

VALORANT Masters Berlin 2021
VCT LOCK//IN São Paulo
VALORANT Masters Tokyo 2023

is not comparable to winning some random offseason event.

Champions is the biggest trophy.

Nobody disputes that.

But Masters titles are still premier international championships.

If Champions is all that matters, then a huge portion of VCT history suddenly becomes irrelevant.

7. The "no memorable plays" argument is terrible

This is pure eye-test bias.

Ask ten different fans:

some remember Chronicle clutches
some remember Aspas entries
some remember Demon1 aim
some remember f0rsaken flexing every role

Memory is not evidence.

There are players who are incredibly impactful but less flashy.

8. The actual strongest anti-Chronicle argument

There is a legitimate criticism buried underneath all the trolling.

It is simply this:

Chronicle has a weaker peak-player argument than some other GOAT candidates.

That's fair.

You can argue that players like:

Erick 'aspas' Santos
Jason 'f0rsakeN' Susanto
Ethan Arnold
Max 'Demon1' Mazanov (peak-wise)

have displayed higher individual ceilings.

That's a reasonable discussion.

What's much harder to argue is that Chronicle doesn't belong in the GOAT conversation at all.

When a player has:

elite longevity,
multiple international trophies,
success across eras,
success across roles,
success on multiple rosters,

they are almost automatically in the conversation.

You don't have to rank Chronicle #1.

But claiming he's not even a legitimate GOAT candidate usually requires ignoring half of his career while applying a much harsher standard to him than to everyone else.

damn

good post nats is the EU goat not fraudnicle

shitbr lol

opinion irrelevant cause u think aspas is the goat

kevin durant isnt legendary ass post

Wow

This is an essay for the ages

How is that shit so upvoted? I swear Brazilians are the most delusional people

not like Aspiss is any better

b0tnicle

@ari how much did this baitpas glazer paid you for the upvote bot???

nice ragebait. just watch vlr gambit final vs envy. nats got carried by chronicle. lockin chronicle was third not fourth/fifth.

Holy freaking analysis

all facts, dogshit player

glad we're seeing the end of his career today !

Truth nuke

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