Derke
Chronicle
A 17 year old
Jamppi, who was almost out of tier 1 last year
Profek, a player who hasn't qualified to a single international event
Little confused by people constantly calling this roster a superteam and comparing it to their last year's team
shhh let us call them a superteam so the expectations are sky high for when they inevitably fumble again
One of the best duelists in the world
One of the best players in the world
One of the best initiators in the world
One of the best igls in EMEA
One of the best controllers in EMEA
In other words.
look at sayonaras stats when he played in redbull, this aint no superteam lol
Anyone that doesn’t think it’s a superteam just doesn’t know ball
Chron jampii derke is all that’s needed
Finland [#3]One of the best duelists in the world
One of the best players in the world
One of the best initiators in the world
One of the best igls in EMEA
One of the best controllers in EMEAIn other words.
Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
He is
maximumPlebus21 [#6]look at sayonaras stats when he played in redbull, this aint no superteam lol
We'll see. It was one bad game from him, but we'll see
One of the best duelists oat
One of the best flexes oat
a very good t2 prospect
two solid t1 players.
Def not a superteam, just a very good one.
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
Btw I will come back to this next year after we've seen him be one of the best initiators in the world and laugh at your face
maximumPlebus21 [#6]look at sayonaras stats when he played in redbull, this aint no superteam lol
"check out these stats from an offseason tournament almost a year ago"
Finland [#14]Btw I will come back to this next year after we've seen him be one of the best initiators in the world and laugh at your face
"i will come back to this"
So basically you're admitting you're prefiring a title on someone for no reason when they haven't done anything to show that
Finland [#14]Btw I will come back to this next year after we've seen him be one of the best initiators in the world and laugh at your face
Whatever makes you happy bud!
elpfunder [#13]One of the best duelists oat
One of the best flexes oat
a very good t2 prospect
two solid t1 players.
Def not a superteam, just a very good one.
In chronicles case it's not "one of" the best flexes
? have you watched vct at all this year?
Derke is still one of the best itw
Chronicle is the best flex itw (you could make a case for f0rsaken but in EMEA it's 1000000% Chron)
Jamppi and Profek were both absolutely insane in stage 2 emea
Sayonara is a top prospect in EMEA
how is this not a super team
shrike- [#16]"i will come back to this"
So basically you're admitting you're prefiring a title on someone for no reason when they haven't done anything to show that
He has shown it, but next year this guy will believe it as well since he doesn't yet.
Finland [#21]He has shown it, but next year this guy will believe it as well since he doesn't yet.
you can't show anything if you've never played tier 1
vqnFlips [#4]is profek and jamppi confirmed? and is sayonara playing or not
he will, but he won't play kickoff. Doesn't turn 18 till March
serro [#20]? have you watched vct at all this year?
Derke is still one of the best itw
Chronicle is the best flex itw (you could make a case for f0rsaken but in EMEA it's 1000000% Chron)
Jamppi and Profek were both absolutely insane in stage 2 emea
Sayonara is a top prospect in EMEA
how is this not a super team
if it was minny and suygetsu over jamppi/'profek i wouldve called them team homelander but its still a very solid team
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
tbf he is the future
maximumPlebus21 [#6]look at sayonaras stats when he played in redbull, this aint no superteam lol
look at sayonaras stats when he played in every game other than redbull, this is a superteam lol
Not vouching for anyone else other than chron he will be fine but when d0rke is there something is gonna bound to happen
gutterslugs [#24]if it was minny and suygetsu over jamppi/'profek i wouldve called them team homelander but its still a very solid team
Suygetsu wasnt super impressive. Hes been washed for a while
shrike- [#22]you can't show anything if you've never played tier 1
well, you'll see aswell. just remember when you see my name in your replies next year, you will know what it's about
Finland [#29]well, you'll see aswell. just remember when you see my name in your replies next year, you will know what it's about
I will not remember and I will not care
even if he does become the best initiator in the world, he is currently not one now because he has not yet played in tier 1 so your point still makes no sense
shrike- [#30]I will not remember and I will not care
even if he does become the best initiator in the world, he is currently not one now because he has not yet played in tier 1 so your point still makes no sense
No, he is already. He has shown it in tier 2.
Finland [#31]No, he is already. He has shown it in tier 2.
tier 2 is vastly different from tier 1
Two_Percent [#25]tbf he is the future
he absolutely looks like the future but tier 2 and tier 1 are vastly different and calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" sounds insane
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
Sayo must be the kid with whom leo was pregnant. If the superior genes are passed, we might see the birth of valorant again.
what even is their roster right now? I currently see NINE (9) players in the lineup
soapformen [#36]what even is their roster right now? I currently see NINE (9) players in the lineup
It'll be
Profek
Jamppi
Derke
Chron
Sayonara (he'll miss kickoff i think due to age, someone will be stand in for now i think)
shrike- [#32]tier 2 is vastly different from tier 1
He's one of the best players outside of tier 1 (if not the best), he's also the number 1 player in emea in valorant comp as far as i know, so yes, i think he is one of the best initiators in the world at this point. There's not many people in the world who are at his level in his role, you can't deny that
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#37]It'll be
Profek
Jamppi
Derke
Chron
Sayonara (he'll miss kickoff i think due to age, someone will be stand in for now i think)
i cant have high hopes again because vitality laid an egg last season so i will say that i think it will be exciting to watch
Finland [#38]He's one of the best players outside of tier 1 (if not the best), he's also the number 1 player in emea in valorant comp as far as i know, so yes, i think he is one of the best initiators in the world at this point. There's not many people in the world who are at his level in his role, you can't deny that
being the best in emea comp is not a big accomplishment, bro is far far far away from being near the top 5 initiators in the world
ant9 [#40]being the best in emea comp is not a big accomplishment, bro is far far far away from being near the top 5 initiators in the world
who said i'm talking about top 5 initiators? i said "one of the initiators in the world" which is a very broad statement. It could mean top 10, top 50 or top 100. But still i think that 's what he is
Finland [#41]who said i'm talking about top 5 initiators? i said "one of the initiators in the world" which is a very broad statement. It could mean top 10, top 50 or top 100. But still i think that 's what he is
One of the best duelists in the world
One of the best players in the world
One of the best initiators in the world
One of the best igls in EMEA
One of the best controllers in EMEA
In other words.
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lets lock in bub stop huffing ur can of bug spray, one of the best in the world implies he's AT LEAST top 5 because you know, the best is number 1
ant9 [#40]being the best in emea comp is not a big accomplishment, bro is far far far away from being near the top 5 initiators in the world
and btw if he is so far away from being top 5 then who are the best initiators? trent, riens, chronicle, eeiu, invy, maybe brawk? who are they all, because as far as i can see from the stats, there aren't a lot of them, and he by default should be really close to top 5 imo
Finland [#43]and btw if he is so far away from being top 5 then who are the best initiators? trent, riens, chronicle, eeiu, invy, maybe brawk? who are they all, because as far as i can see from the stats, there aren't a lot of them, and he by default should be really close to top 5 imo
Trent is better
Riens is better
Crashies is better
Eeiu is better
brawk hard clears and its not close at all
verno is better
Beyn is better
nobody is better
invy is better
off the top of my head whos better at inti
Finland [#21]He has shown it, but next year this guy will believe it as well since he doesn't yet.
You know you are getting cooked when Strike is somehow winning the argument
ant9 [#44]Trent is better
Riens is better
Crashies is better
Eeiu is better
brawk hard clears and its not close at all
verno is better
Beyn is better
nobody is better
invy is better
off the top of my head whos better at inti
nobody is not better
beyn is not better
crashies is not better
verno is not better
stop the act bro. out of these, maybe verno because he was the igl and had a 1.03 rating this year, but everyone else had 1.01 and lower. and you think these players are better than sayonara who has an overall 1.20 rating in tier 2? give me a break man
Finland [#43]and btw if he is so far away from being top 5 then who are the best initiators? trent, riens, chronicle, eeiu, invy, maybe brawk? who are they all, because as far as i can see from the stats, there aren't a lot of them, and he by default should be really close to top 5 imo
i want to believe in the hype around sayonara, but ur statement literally says he is one of the best players in his role? he hasnt proven anything yet. its the same thing with kaajak. people thought it was the worst thing possible, not because he was bad, but because who he was replacing. we've seen that t2 players can win shit in t1 and be the best in their role, but that still doesnt mean they will. youre practically disregarding all the current t1 players in his role. which shows youre just blinded by favouritism instead of basing off actual facts.
Finland [#46]nobody is not better
beyn is not better
crashies is not better
verno is not betterstop the act bro. out of these, maybe verno because he was the igl and had a 1.03 rating this year, but everyone else had 1.01 and lower. and you think these players are better than sayonara who has an overall 1.20 rating in tier 2? give me a break man
nobody has a champs trophy and ur guy hasnt done anything
beyn has actually gone to champs twice while ur guy has done nothing
crashies won a masters while ur guy did nothing
verno is just way better im ngl
emea t2 is just not that impressive bro, being good down there means nothing if everyone else sucks
OldIGN [#47]i want to believe in the hype around sayonara, but ur statement literally says he is one of the best players in his role? he hasnt proven anything yet. its the same thing with kaajak. people thought it was the worst thing possible, not because he was bad, but because who he was replacing. we've seen that t2 players can win shit in t1 and be the best in their role, but that still doesnt mean they will. youre practically disregarding all the current t1 players in his role. which shows youre just blinded by favouritism instead of basing off actual facts.
well, you can compare how well the current tier 1 initiators did when they were in tier 2 compared to sayonara
Finland [#49]well, you can compare how well the current tier 1 initiators did when they were in tier 2 compared to sayonara
???? actually what
ant9 [#48]nobody has a champs trophy and ur guy hasnt done anything
beyn has actually gone to champs twice while ur guy has done nothing
crashies won a masters while ur guy did nothing
verno is just way better im ngl
emea t2 is just not that impressive bro, being good down there means nothing if everyone else sucks
none of this shit matters bro, were talking about current individual skill level here, not what they have achieved with their teams in the past
and these players btw are the worst ones in their teams, it's not like it's thanks to their ungodly skills that they won something
well derke and chron should go without saying
sayonara is a REALLY hot prospect, obviously time will tell how he performs in t1 but expectations are high for a reason
jampii and profek, even though they didnt get to any internationals, performed very well last year and there is also a lack of igls in emea so to find one that can call at a good level is a good thing + jampii has a lot of experience in general
but i would say that just derke and chron alone make it almost a superteam, and then all of the other players are very good and so it for sure warrants the title of a superteam, it is a team made to win trophies and dominate
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#37]It'll be
Profek
Jamppi
Derke
Chron
Sayonara (he'll miss kickoff i think due to age, someone will be stand in for now i think)
im pretty sure kicks is still signed and he plays similar roles to sayonara so it would make sense if he was playing in kickoff
ant9 [#50]???? actually what
i guess you ran out of arguments, or you just suddenly can't read anymore?
Chazzicle_ [#52]well derke and chron should go without saying
sayonara is a REALLY hot prospect, obviously time will tell how he performs in t1 but expectations are high for a reason
jampii and profek, even though they didnt get to any internationals, performed very well last year and there is also a lack of igls in emea so to find one that can call at a good level is a good thing + jampii has a lot of experience in generalbut i would say that just derke and chron alone make it almost a superteam, and then all of the other players are very good and so it for sure warrants the title of a superteam, it is a team made to win trophies and dominate
If derke + chronicle = superteam you could say fnatic with leo was a double superteam
Finland [#54]i guess you ran out of arguments, or you just suddenly can't read anymore?
dude u are so retarded omg how are alive
Finland [#49]well, you can compare how well the current tier 1 initiators did when they were in tier 2 compared to sayonara
you cant compare a current t2 player to a current t1 players t2 career/stats and it be an accurate result? its a much more difficult thing to measure than just: "oh this t1 player was ass in t2, so surely this player in t2 who is good will be very successful in t1" no its just not that simple.
Finland [#51]none of this shit matters bro, were talking about current individual skill level here, not what they have achieved with their teams in the past
and these players btw are the worst ones in their teams, it's not like it's thanks to their ungodly skills that they won something
LOL bro sayonara is a complete bum hes not even a t1 player yet how are you saying hes better than a champs winner and a masters winner?
gold2peak [#55]If derke + chronicle = superteam you could say fnatic with leo was a double superteam
well they won 2 titles so i honestly wouldnt argue with that lmao
ant9 [#56]dude u are so retarded omg how are alive
you really think an igl is better than one of the best talents we have ever seen just because he won a tournament with his team, NOT because of his mechanical skill but perhaps because of his leading skills (which is completely irrelevant in this situation, were purely talking about the ratings here)
Finland [#60]you really think an igl is better than one of the best talents we have ever seen just because he won a tournament with his team, NOT because of his mechanical skill but perhaps because of his leading skills (which is completely irrelevant in this situation, were purely talking about the ratings here)
why is finland beefing with dudes on vlr 😭😭😭
OldIGN [#57]you cant compare a current t2 player to a current t1 players t2 career/stats and it be an accurate result? its a much more difficult thing to measure than just: "oh this t1 player was ass in t2, so surely this player in t2 who is good will be very successful in t1" no its just not that simple.
alright so well see next year what happens. i think i'm gonna be right and we'll see, but i think i'm right.
wololo___ [#61]why is finland beefing with dudes on vlr 😭😭😭
idk, i'm getting tired of arguing at this point
If u know ball then u understand why this team is incredible, from the coaching staff to the players. Sure, if u look at achievements they have a couple players who havent achieved much and a rookie but if u have actual insight to the EMEA scene u would know that this lineup is very well thought out and these are some of the most highly rated individuals among players/coaches in the scene. Specially Sayonara, this kid is probably the biggest t2 talent ever and imo just from eye test he is already a top15 EMEA player, could very well be the best player in the region already but he is yet to prove it so we gotta be conservative but he was literally farming international players and some of the best EMEA players in pro 10 mans during champs
Finland [#62]alright so well see next year what happens. i think i'm gonna be right and we'll see, but i think i'm right.
thats not the same thing as what you said. you shouldve just said that you think "sayonara will become one of the best initiators itw next year" instead of saying he is currently one of the best. its a title given to the players who play the best of the best and do insane, not players who play at a significantly lower level and do insane. sayonara definitely has the potential to become one of the best, now that he has 2 good&elite/veteran players who played his role at the highest level to guide him that potential will probably become a reality.
Its kinda like the Falcons superteam in cs, they also have 2 star players, a highly anticipated rookie and 2 decently expirienced tier 1 players
Finland [#38]He's one of the best players outside of tier 1 (if not the best), he's also the number 1 player in emea in valorant comp as far as i know, so yes, i think he is one of the best initiators in the world at this point. There's not many people in the world who are at his level in his role, you can't deny that
Image of 2 lions shouting at each other, both thinking they are the nonchalant monkey
Finland [#60]you really think an igl is better than one of the best talents we have ever seen just because he won a tournament with his team, NOT because of his mechanical skill but perhaps because of his leading skills (which is completely irrelevant in this situation, were purely talking about the ratings here)
this guy thinks rating is all that matters LOL, yes i think someone who won champions is better than a t2 emea initiator player who wasnt done anything.
also he is NOT "one of the best talents we have ever seen" this is some insane levels of glaze, you need to get ur throat checked i think someones dick is down it
derp64 [#67]Image of 2 lions shouting at each other, both thinking they are the nonchalant monkey
oh no im not the monkey it worked
serro [#20]? have you watched vct at all this year?
Derke is still one of the best itw
Chronicle is the best flex itw (you could make a case for f0rsaken but in EMEA it's 1000000% Chron)
Jamppi and Profek were both absolutely insane in stage 2 emea
Sayonara is a top prospect in EMEA
how is this not a super team
i think its more the 3 unknowns. when FNC made their team in 2023, it was literally: the best igl in EMEA/top 5 itw, the best duelist in EMEA/top 5 itw & one of the best flex players itw, then they added both of the best probably 1st and 2nd initiators in EMEA. Team Vitality have a talented rookie from t2, a newish IGL who has been ok throughout the year. and finally PROFEK who is probably top 5 maybe top 3 controller in EMEA.
ant9 [#68]this guy thinks rating is all that matters LOL, yes i think someone who won champions is better than a t2 emea initiator player who wasnt done anything.
also he is NOT "one of the best talents we have ever seen" this is some insane levels of glaze, you need to get ur throat checked i think someones dick is down it
ofcourse rating is all that matters, it has all the stats included in it. obviously an igl will not be as good mechanically and rating wise because he's the brains of the team and has to focus more on leading. and i guess that's why you also don't think nobody is better than trent just because he won a champs, do you?
looola [#64]If u know ball then u understand why this team is incredible, from the coaching staff to the players. Sure, if u look at achievements they have a couple players who havent achieved much and a rookie but if u have actual insight to the EMEA scene u would know that this lineup is very well thought out and these are some of the most highly rated individuals among players/coaches in the scene. Specially Sayonara, this kid is probably the biggest t2 talent ever and imo just from eye test he is already a top15 EMEA player, could very well be the best player in the region already but he is yet to prove it so we gotta be conservative but he was literally farming international players and some of the best EMEA players in pro 10 mans during champs
What matters more is the chemistry tho, ofc it is easy to build a superteam in a way, but the main thing is if the players in the superteam will mesh well with each other. Look at this year's vit, sure, they had a superteam on paper, but it all went poorly due to lack of synergy.
looola [#64]If u know ball then u understand why this team is incredible, from the coaching staff to the players. Sure, if u look at achievements they have a couple players who havent achieved much and a rookie but if u have actual insight to the EMEA scene u would know that this lineup is very well thought out and these are some of the most highly rated individuals among players/coaches in the scene. Specially Sayonara, this kid is probably the biggest t2 talent ever and imo just from eye test he is already a top15 EMEA player, could very well be the best player in the region already but he is yet to prove it so we gotta be conservative but he was literally farming international players and some of the best EMEA players in pro 10 mans during champs
I know all about emea and these players, i like them all but this is simply not a superteam. A great team? Sure
looola [#64]If u know ball then u understand why this team is incredible, from the coaching staff to the players. Sure, if u look at achievements they have a couple players who havent achieved much and a rookie but if u have actual insight to the EMEA scene u would know that this lineup is very well thought out and these are some of the most highly rated individuals among players/coaches in the scene. Specially Sayonara, this kid is probably the biggest t2 talent ever and imo just from eye test he is already a top15 EMEA player, could very well be the best player in the region already but he is yet to prove it so we gotta be conservative but he was literally farming international players and some of the best EMEA players in pro 10 mans during champs
Theyre still not a super team though. Theyre objectively just a worse version of 23/24 fnatic.
Yuniee44 [#75]Theyre still not a super team though. Theyre objectively just a worse version of 23/24 fnatic.
A superteam is putting together some generational talent to create a titan of a team not doing something thats been done before but worse
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
I am perfectly fine with you hating him. Wasnt different with kaajak and woot. Everytime you hype up a super rookie other regions get butthurt about it just because they haven't seen him do his thing themselves yet.
Time will prove us right. Dont really care
Congo1 [#77]I am perfectly fine with you hating him. Wasnt different with kaajak and woot. Everytime you hype up a super rookie other regions get butthurt about it just because they haven't seen him do his thing themselves yet.
Time will prove us right. Dont really care
People will always be doubtful about rookies, but I think looking at recent trends its a lot more likely than not that he ends up being great. Theres always the "what if he doesnt perform in T1" narrative and its almost never true, the only exception maybe being comeback and even he wasnt that bad, so he might perform up to his level on a more functional team next year. Imo Saya is the last thing people should worry about for VIT. I dont think this team is a superteam but I highly doubt they will flop like last years vitality. Seems like a team with good vibes and thought out roles (which chron obviously helps with a lot). The only concern I might have is between sayo and jamppi since they both probably want to play scan initiator but it shouldnt be difficult to make one of them play senti.
Finland [#3]One of the best duelists in the world
One of the best players in the world
One of the best initiators in the world
One of the best igls in EMEA
One of the best controllers in EMEAIn other words.
One of the best prospect you shall say
Nats_2nd_biggest_fan [#72]What matters more is the chemistry tho, ofc it is easy to build a superteam in a way, but the main thing is if the players in the superteam will mesh well with each other. Look at this year's vit, sure, they had a superteam on paper, but it all went poorly due to lack of synergy.
You are 100% right, I think with Jamppi, Chronicle and Pal they will create a nice enviorement since they bring proper leadership unlike last year
gold2peak [#73]I know all about emea and these players, i like them all but this is simply not a superteam. A great team? Sure
idk what superteam even means, its such a stupid label imo but its one of the most stacked rosters I have ever seen in terms of potential so I could consider it a superteam
sw4gman [#2]shhh let us call them a superteam so the expectations are sky high for when they inevitably fumble again
EMEA getting gazlighted by APAC is crazy T.T
But to be fair, my expectation for Vitality are really low, it's a Mid-ass team everything they touch become mid or ass, even the greatest player
(I like Chron and Jamppi in the same team, we needed a femboy superteam)
Conceit [#9]Bro Saya hasn't even played a T1 game yet and we're calling him "One of the best initiators in the world" 😭 😭 😭
This is how you get people to hate on him btw
won a champs game doodoo head
https://www.vlr.gg/247089/funplus-phoenix-vs-t1-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-elim-b
Yuniee44 [#75]Theyre still not a super team though. Theyre objectively just a worse version of 23/24 fnatic.
That Fnatic superteam was just illegal on paper but I think this team comes close, Jamppi > Boaster as IGL imo and in this team u have 0 weak spots individually. Also think the roster makes much more sense on paper, mental wasnt always great in that Fnatic roster. For me it all depends on the level Sayonara plays at, we know Derke and Chronicle are two of the goats while Jamppi is on his way to becoming one of the goat IGLs, profek we know he is really good but not crazy so it all depends on Sayonara, if he plays like a tier S player like kaajak then its a roster with 3 superstars, one of the best IGLs in terms of leadership, calling and firepower and a player like profek who isnt a superstar but always delivers. If having 4 best player itw candidates in each role + a very strong player like profek doesnt count as a superteam then I think you are setting the bar too high
Anguibok [#82]EMEA getting gazlighted by APAC is crazy T.T
But to be fair, my expectation for Vitality are really low, it's a Mid-ass team everything they touch become mid or ass, even the greatest player
(I like Chron and Jamppi in the same team, we needed a femboy superteam)
they're doing an NRG impression and nothing can save it short of +sayf -sayf fns impression next year
Elixiiir [#66]Its kinda like the Falcons superteam in cs, they also have 2 star players, a highly anticipated rookie and 2 decently expirienced tier 1 players
Yeah. Both teams have really good head coach, a young promising IGL, 2 GOATs, the two most highly anticipated rookies and a bitch player with strong mechanics that will fill the gaps like Teses/profek.
localkoolkid [#83]won a champs game doodoo head
https://www.vlr.gg/247089/funplus-phoenix-vs-t1-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-elim-b
TRUE, he's the true joat
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