Kingg Mazino and tex have not proved themselves at all
Yet people consider them “superteam” caliber
I just don’t understand
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Why are people so high on LEV?
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333triplethreat [#4]they literally have lol
its pretty clear u dont watch them.
Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
charleshad [#6]same thing with nrg crashies victor and marved are washed
How so?
NRG qualed to all LANs last year and Marved was never given aa chance on SEN
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
I mean they have played but not with c0m who knows they are better with him or not
TheAceGamer30 [#12]I mean they have played but not with c0m who knows they are better with him or not
They played against the weakest competition in Americas though
That superdome tourney means nothing
Asuna_Yuuki [#11]How so?
NRG qualed to all LANs last year and Marved was never given aa chance on SEN
Marved was straight ass in sen Tf u mean never given a chance . If marved played good in lcq and played better against eg and won against them. they would 100% qual to champs
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
ok lol? so ur saying that starxo, bonecold, kiles, and zeek are all tier 1 players just because they won champs? zekken highest lan placement was 5-8 too, must mean hes really bad then lol
Asuna_Yuuki [#15]They played against the weakest competition in Americas though
That superdome tourney means nothing
They dominated though so what’s the harm to say they won’t do it again
TheAceGamer30 [#17]Marved was straight ass in sen Tf u mean never given a chance . If marved played good in lcq and played better against eg and won against them. they would 100% qual to champs
I agree but the reason he was bad is because SEN is a poorly structures team
Everyone in SEN was bad, but it is not because they were bad player
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
Mazino 3rd-4th at Champs 21
Kingg 5th-6th at Copenhagen 22
You don’t know what you’re talking about.These are very good players. They’ve added a top 2 player in the world, a world champion, and an ascension winner. c0m and tex are both coming off their breakout years, of course there will be hype.
Asuna_Yuuki [#21]I agree but the reason he was bad is because SEN is a poorly structures team
Everyone in SEN was bad, but it is not because they were bad player
Zekken bad???
TheAceGamer30 [#20]They dominated though so what’s the harm to say they won’t do it again
The harm is that they are going to play insanely harder competition
jaynewton [#23]very true tbh, i just changed my pickems bc of what u said lmao it makes sense, lev getting hyped for no reason at all. they did jack shit last year
i got sen and loud qual'ing
Yess
FireII [#22]Mazino 3rd-4th at Champs 21
Kingg 5th-6th at Copenhagen 22You don’t know what you’re talking about.These are very good players. They’ve added a top 2 player in the world, a world champion, and an ascension winner. c0m and tex are both coming off their breakout years, of course there will be hype.
Forgot about 2021
But still LEV are overhyped
Mazino, kiNgg and tex aren’t superteam level players
When I think about the head to match between true superteams like FNC and NRG, LEV are just very outclassed
Hyssopus1 [#26]marved,victor,crashies are washed so nrg are not a superteam aswell.
How are they washed?
2 years straight of good results from vic and crashies
Marved wasn’t given a chance on SEN
TheAceGamer30 [#7]Only aspas
i've seen kinggg cook... isn't he the sniper? if not then i am clueless
Asuna_Yuuki [#30]How are they washed?
2 years straight of good results from vic and crashies
Marved wasn’t given a chance on SEN
Stop saying marved wasn’t given a chance in sen cus he was and he fucking sucked
TheAceGamer30 [#33]Stop saying marved wasn’t given a chance in sen cus he was and he fucking sucked
Imagine throwing in a player in the middle of the season to igl a trash, failing team
He was not given a chance
Anyone would have failed in that position
Asuna_Yuuki [#32]He isn’t bad but he was bad last year
??????? Bad last year u ok? He was considered the best flex player in 2022
Riot_Valve_the_GOD_games [#34]the only nrg player who proved himself is demon1 tf you are talking about, nrg is even more overrated
6 champions
Multiple top tier LAN placements
Everyone has proved themselves
Most proven team in VAL
Unlike LEV
Asuna_Yuuki [#35]Imagine throwing in a player in the middle of the season to igl a trash, failing team
He was not given a chance
Anyone would have failed in that position
He was given the chance when tenz was ill and he only won 1/4 games when not igling and 2 of the games he did trash .even if he didn’t igl he would still sucked on sen lol
Asuna_Yuuki [#37]6 champions
Multiple top tier LAN placements
Everyone has proved themselves
Most proven team in VAL
Unlike LEV
crash viktor and marved had a single fluke tournament (navi could not play🇹🇷) most overrated players ever, lev already made champions playoffs unlike them in 2021 champs
ufc [#31]i've seen kinggg cook... isn't he the sniper? if not then i am clueless
Aspas is gonna do the same thing as what he did with loud
Ur actually insane if you think kingg is not a world class talent 💀💀💀💀
Though mazino and tex are not as good as people say i’ll admit. Hell even c0m gets a little overrated he is an amazing player at his role but he isnt really as good as he was at champs.
Still kingg has been the bright spot in lev since forever and has been able to pull more than his weight to make lev seem like a functional team.
Lev needs to prove they have this caliber to me. Team mental and coordination is a major key for any team Esport and if aspas wanted to play with nzr but then got denied that opportunity I'd be pretty pissed.
On paper, they definitely have a chance at being a superteam, but again, that needs to be proven in an official match.
I think it comes down to your parameters for super teams:
What recency do players need to have preformed in, in your opinion, for them to be eligible for "super team" players?
Do they have to do well in the last year or is it two or even longer? Is it teambased or is it individual based (so is it enough for their team to do well last year or is it fine if the team doesnt make it to any internationals if the player preforms well)
How many teams' players do you have to mix? (e.g. would NaVi have counted as a super team?)
How many of the players need to fulfill the above criteria (e.g. is it fine if its 4 "superteam" players and 1 t2 superstar)
Depending on how you answer each question Lev could easily be a super team, but you could also answer them in a way that not even Fnc or Nrg qualify
Riot_Valve_the_GOD_games [#40]crash viktor and marved had a single fluke tournament (navi could not play🇹🇷) most overrated players ever, lev already made champions playoffs unlike them in 2021 champs
Are you trolling brother. Optic got 2nd place at champs 2022, higher than fnatic has ever placed at champs
i kind of agree, even disregarding prior accomplishments
kiNgg can aim but i’ve yet to be convinced that he’s actually a great IGL, and them bringing in the coach from KOI doesn’t give me much hope
mazino and tex are good players but definitely not the best in their role
i’d expect them to end up around 3rd-4th in the league
TheAceGamer30 [#17]Marved was straight ass in sen Tf u mean never given a chance . If marved played good in lcq and played better against eg and won against them. they would 100% qual to champs
i mean, he had to igl with no igl experience, he did a lot better when he wasnt igling
Dokka [#53]Tex just won ascension and was a top four player in ascension
C0M just won champs
Aspas
Kinggg was incredible in Americas despite Lev being average
Mazino has been consistent and has been shown to have a very high skill ceiling
Aspas
TheAceGamer30 [#39]He was given the chance when tenz was ill and he only won 1/4 games when not igling and 2 of the games he did trash .even if he didn’t igl he would still sucked on sen lol
Im not denying that
Im just saying his performance at SEN is not indicative to his true skill because literally everyone at SEN has been trash for the past two years regardless of how good they really are
TheAceGamer30 [#36]??????? Bad last year u ok? He was considered the best flex player in 2022
First of all he was never considered best flex
Secondly, last year was 2023 and he was pretty bad
Targu1n [#45]I think it comes down to your parameters for super teams:
What recency do players need to have preformed in, in your opinion, for them to be eligible for "super team" players?
Do they have to do well in the last year or is it two or even longer? Is it teambased or is it individual based (so is it enough for their team to do well last year or is it fine if the team doesnt make it to any internationals if the player preforms well)
How many teams' players do you have to mix? (e.g. would NaVi have counted as a super team?)
How many of the players need to fulfill the above criteria (e.g. is it fine if its 4 "superteam" players and 1 t2 superstar)
Depending on how you answer each question Lev could easily be a super team, but you could also answer them in a way that not even Fnc or Nrg qualify
Imo a team is a superteam if it can be argued that at least 4/5 players are the best player in their role in the region
Or at the very least everyone has to be top 2 in their roles in their region
Noodle [#51]i kind of agree, even disregarding prior accomplishments
kiNgg can aim but i’ve yet to be convinced that he’s actually a great IGL, and them bringing in the coach from KOI doesn’t give me much hope
mazino and tex are good players but definitely not the best in their role
i’d expect them to end up around 3rd-4th in the league
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People are forgetting how bad and predictable LEV were last year
And I love tex but I feel like he was the least important player of THE GUARD
Mazino is one of the players who have attended the more international events in Valorant history and 1 round away from being champs finalist. And tf you mean Kingg is not proven, I hope you mean as IGL cause individually he has been top statistically on international events aswell
Other than Tex the other 4 players are as individually proven as it gets
Mortadelo [#61]Mazino is one of the players who have attended the more international events in Valorant history and 1 round away from being champs finalist. And tf you mean Kingg is not proven, I hope you mean as IGL cause individually he has been top statistically on international events aswell
Other than Tex the other 4 players are as individually proven as it gets
I mean igl wise for kiNgg
LEV were so bad and predictable last year in terms of their playstyle, comps, and overall gameplan
I also heard they don’t believe in antistratting
The igl needs to take a lot of the blame for issues like this which is why I don’t have very high hopes for kiNgg
And I also just don’t think Mazino is that good
He was the second worst player on LEV besides taco last year
Asuna_Yuuki [#62]I mean igl wise for kiNgg
LEV were so bad and predictable last year in terms of their playstyle, comps, and overall gameplan
I also heard they don’t believe in antistratting
The igl needs to take a lot of the blame for issues like this which is why I don’t have very high hopes for kiNgg
And I also just don’t think Mazino is that good
He was the second worst player on LEV besides taco last year
That was most due to their coach onur that left
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]Forgot about 2021
But still LEV are overhyped
Mazino, kiNgg and tex aren’t superteam level players
When I think about the head to match between true superteams like FNC and NRG, LEV are just very outclassed
U didn't learn anything from EG winning champs last year, back then if you went by big names and compared players one by one, teams like LOUD, PRX or FNATIC would've thrased EG on paper and yet didn't and EG won. Ur just another clueless big name merchant tbh.
michaelisupset [#65]I agree with you that those three aren’t proven but I would be shocked if they aren’t great
I’m not saying they will be bad
I’m just saying they do not deserve the title of “superteam” until they prove themselves
As for a team like NRG, I think they deserve to be called a superteam because they 6 winners who have proved themselves multiple times
ionlyHave1Zuni [#63]That was most due to their coach onur that left
We don’t know that though
Can you really blame ALL OF LEV’s strategic problems last year on Onur?
I don’t think so
Onur is being scapegoated here
Some of the blame needs to be taken by the igl
ValdemieGC [#67]Dumb thread. Lev shits on every single NA team
I mean LEV are pretty much an NA team now after all XD
Asuna_Yuuki [#68]We don’t know that though
Can you really blame ALL OF LEV’s strategic problems last year on Onur?
I don’t think so
Onur is being scapegoated here
Some of the blame needs to be taken by the igl
I was referring to not anti stratting
ValdemieGC [#71]South NA if you will
2/5 American players and they speak English
Basically a North American team
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
🚨🚨 THIS IS BAIT, NO ONE IS THIS DUMB 🚨🚨
Asuna_Yuuki [#72]2/5 American players and they speak English
Basically a North American team
My boy Ian Botsch, murican pride 🇺🇲🇺🇲
Asuna_Yuuki [#62]I mean igl wise for kiNgg
LEV were so bad and predictable last year in terms of their playstyle, comps, and overall gameplan
I also heard they don’t believe in antistratting
The igl needs to take a lot of the blame for issues like this which is why I don’t have very high hopes for kiNgg
And I also just don’t think Mazino is that good
He was the second worst player on LEV besides taco last year
Well Ig that is fair but it’s very hard to judge an IGL from the outside anyway. That being said, NRG had the exact same issue if not worse
Asuna_Yuuki [#66]I’m not saying they will be bad
I’m just saying they do not deserve the title of “superteam” until they prove themselves
As for a team like NRG, I think they deserve to be called a superteam because they 6 winners who have proved themselves multiple times
"proved"
they were at better teams at the right time, nothing else.
Leo or Alfajer didn't win any major before joining fnc, yet we knew it was a superteam well before they 'proved themselves". for example
Aspas is the best duelist in the world, and kiNgg is the best flex. They are clearly superior
Asuna_Yuuki [#58]First of all he was never considered best flex
Secondly, last year was 2023 and he was pretty bad
Ok u don’t Know shit he was not bad at all in 2023 being the only consistent player in sen 😂
Asuna_Yuuki [#57]Im not denying that
Im just saying his performance at SEN is not indicative to his true skill because literally everyone at SEN has been trash for the past two years regardless of how good they really are
That doesn’t mean he isn’t trash though I’m sure if he was better sen could’ve made playoffs for sure
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]Forgot about 2021
But still LEV are overhyped
Mazino, kiNgg and tex aren’t superteam level players
When I think about the head to match between true superteams like FNC and NRG, LEV are just very outclassed
I'd take kingg over any other IGL in terms of ability to frag. Could be better flex players in Americas, but mazino would be up there with the best of them. I think c0m is pretty mediocre, would have kept nzr instead of signing c0m tbh.
Ultimately, any 'stacked' roster always seems to get jinxed. Only exception I can really think of is the current iteration of fnatic, and all their players are at least top 3 in their respective roles (except for maybe boaster).
Imo, if comms aren't a huge problem, and the org/team put in the work to develop a good team culture, LEV could be fantastic.
Either way, pre-season speculation is fucking pointless. Find some other shit to do instead of theorizing about this, especially when you base that speculation on individual tournament placings. That kind of logic would have resulted in demon1 not getting picked up by EG. Imagine that?
Shuaaa [#82]I'd take kingg over any other IGL in terms of ability to frag. Could be better flex players in Americas, but mazino would be up there with the best of them. I think c0m is pretty mediocre, would have kept nzr instead of signing c0m tbh.
Ultimately, any 'stacked' roster always seems to get jinxed. Only exception I can really think of is the current iteration of fnatic, and all their players are at least top 3 in their respective roles (except for maybe boaster).
Imo, if comms aren't a huge problem, and the org/team put in the work to develop a good team culture, LEV could be fantastic.
Either way, pre-season speculation is fucking pointless. Find some other shit to do instead of theorizing about this, especially when you base that speculation on individual tournament placings. That kind of logic would have resulted in demon1 not getting picked up by EG. Imagine that?
Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
TheAceGamer30 [#78]Ok u don’t Know shit he was not bad at all in 2023 being the only consistent player in sen 😂
Being the most consistent player in SEN is not a high bar at all 😂
TheAceGamer30 [#79]That doesn’t mean he isn’t trash though I’m sure if he was better sen could’ve made playoffs for sure
SEN weren’t making playoffs regardless
EG c9 and LOUD were just clearly better teams overall
They were never going to win
Mortadelo [#76]Well Ig that is fair but it’s very hard to judge an IGL from the outside anyway. That being said, NRG had the exact same issue if not worse
NRG did not have that issue
They were one of the most flexible teams and actually had some good results domestically and internationally
Asuna_Yuuki [#86]NRG did not have that issue
They were one of the most flexible teams and actually had some good results domestically and internationally
I mean their new roster, they do not have a proven IGL at all
Asuna_Yuuki [#72]2/5 American players and they speak English
Basically a North American team
Org is south American, 3/5 players are South american. Both coaches are European. But yeah NA team fo sho 💯
Using ur logic Sentinels was a Brazilian team when they had both Sacy and pancada playing. Such stupidity lmao
AlexSMTx [#88]Org is south American, 3/5 players are South american. Both coaches are European. But yeah NA team fo sho 💯
Using ur logic Sentinels was a Brazilian team when they had both Sacy and pancada playing. Such stupidity lmao
Br and LATAM are separate regions in VAL
2/5 NA players
2/5 LATAM
1/5 BR
The tiebreaker is that they speak the language of the North Americans therefore they are now a North American team
Asuna_Yuuki [#89]Br and LATAM are separate regions in VAL
2/5 NA players
2/5 LATAM
1/5 BRThe tiebreaker is that they speak the language of the North Americans therefore they are now a North American team
Not again with the separate regions thing
ValdemieGC [#67]Dumb thread. Lev shits on every single NA team
no because of the eu spies goked and itopata will make sure that wont happen
Asuna_Yuuki [#89]Br and LATAM are separate regions in VAL
2/5 NA players
2/5 LATAM
1/5 BRThe tiebreaker is that they speak the language of the North Americans therefore they are now a North American team
FNATIC also speak english to communicate, it doesnt make them any more Northamerican lol. Method of communication isn't relevant, go look at their socials and tell me what region they are from lul.
AlexSMTx [#93]FNATIC also speak english to communicate, it doesnt make them any more Northamerican lol. Method of communication isn't relevant, go look at their socials and tell me what region they are from lul.
Im talking about the team not the org
Also all of FNATIC’s players have always played in the EMEA region so they are EMEA players
ValdemieGC [#77]"proved"
they were at better teams at the right time, nothing else.
Leo or Alfajer didn't win any major before joining fnc, yet we knew it was a superteam well before they 'proved themselves". for exampleAspas is the best duelist in the world, and kiNgg is the best flex. They are clearly superior
kiNgg is a bad igl though
And LEV have a really bad team atmosphere
Imagine dropping a player on Christmas eve to sign a new player and then your best player tries leaving but he isn’t able to
I know my GOATs at NRG wouldn’t have drama like this
AlexSMTxx [#64]U didn't learn anything from EG winning champs last year, back then if you went by big names and compared players one by one, teams like LOUD, PRX or FNATIC would've thrased EG on paper and yet didn't and EG won. Ur just another clueless big name merchant tbh.
I agree I am not denying that LEV could hypothetically be the best team itw
I am just saying that RIGHT NOW they do not deserve the title of superteam
Maybe if they prove themselves later they can be a superteam
Asuna_Yuuki [#97]kiNgg is a bad igl though
And LEV have a really bad team atmosphere
Imagine dropping a player on Christmas eve to sign a new player and then your best player tries leaving but he isn’t able to
I know my GOATs at NRG wouldn’t have drama like this
I know my GOATs at NRG wouldn’t have drama like this
mate chet is coaching this team
ValdemieGC [#99]I know my GOATs at NRG wouldn’t have drama like this
mate chet is coaching this team
I don’t know any internal drama chet has had with his team
Could you please elaborate?
Asuna_Yuuki [#100]I don’t know any internal drama chet has had with his team
Could you please elaborate?
yes, google benzema 15 for more info on this
ValdemieGC [#101]yes, google benzema 15 for more info on this
kkkkkkkk
You really have no rebuttal
Further proving that I am right
Asuna_Yuuki [#83]Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
Navi last year
333triplethreat [#18]ok lol? so ur saying that starxo, bonecold, kiles, and zeek are all tier 1 players just because they won champs? zekken highest lan placement was 5-8 too, must mean hes really bad then lol
Reading comprehension check?
I never said LEV were bad. I said they weren’t superteam caliber
Zekken is also good but he isn’t superteam caliber
Also even though Acend won champs they haven’t had any results since
NRG’s players have had consistent results all throughout VAL
The two situations aren’t even comparable
Asuna_Yuuki [#102]kkkkkkkk
You really have no rebuttal
Further proving that I am right
chet owns me fr
Liem [#105]won ascension and played great the whole last year
Winning ascension isn’t even close to what most players have done in franchising right now
Asuna_Yuuki [#104]Reading comprehension check?
I never said LEV were bad. I said they weren’t superteam caliber
Zekken is also good but he isn’t superteam caliber
Also even though Acend won champs they haven’t had any results since
NRG’s players have had consistent results all throughout VAL
The two situations aren’t even comparable
Yeah just because they placed high, doesnt mean they are superstars. Clearly we see that from ascend and just because you dont do well in a lan doesnt mean u cant make a team a superteam. A superteam isnt from past team results, its from their personal results
Asuna_Yuuki [#108]Winning ascension isn’t even close to what most players have done in franchising right now
Its actually insane how confident you are even tho you are so wrong and have no clue what you are talking about
donkkomong [#110]tex is actually tier2 quality dont be delusional
tex was one of the best 5 tier 2 players last year and he was insane at ascension tournament. what more does he needs to do in order to deserve to play in t1?
Asuna_Yuuki [#108]Winning ascension isn’t even close to what most players have done in franchising right now
most of the players in franchise would have not won it
Liem [#112]tex was one of the best 5 tier 2 players last year and he was insane at ascension tournament. what more does he needs to do in order to deserve to play in t1?
bro all he did was diff koalanoob and koalanoob is tier3 quality. tex always gets shit on by better teams and players since NRG and every team he played on.
donkkomong [#115]bro all he did was diff koalanoob and koalanoob is tier3 quality. tex always gets shit on by better teams and players since NRG and every team he played on.
which player who is not already on a team would be better than tex?
LilRickyy [#111]Its actually insane how confident you are even tho you are so wrong and have no clue what you are talking about
Its true though
Qualifying to an international LAN and doing decent in franchising is much more impressive than winning Ascension
You underestimate the gap between t2 and t1
Eltioconcho [#118]Kingg, third best rated player in the regular season of the americas league, the second best rated player in the lcq. You even watched the games last year?
What about tex who has never played an international LAN
What about mazino who was the second worst player on LEV last year behind taco?
And what about kiNgg’s predictable fraudulent igling that lead to LEV losing every single game in the second half of Americas?
Asuna_Yuuki [#119]What about tex who has never played an international LAN
What about mazino who was the second worst player on LEV last year behind taco?
And what about kiNgg’s predictable fraudulent igling that lead to LEV losing every single game in the second half of Americas?
Mazino was the best player of latam in 2022, then onur made him reroled to smokes and he started to have bad performances, but he has the potential, lev dindt loose because kingg's igling, was because the coach vision of the game and taco performing really bad, they dindt have a good duelist what is one of the most important thing in a team, Tex was really good in ascencion, tier 2 is not far away from tier 1, that was demostrated in this offseason. So stop hating and 100thieves and asuna are shit btw
Eltioconcho [#120]Mazino was the best player of latam in 2022, then onur made him reroled to smokes and he started to have bad performances, but he has the potential, lev dindt loose because kingg's igling, was because the coach vision of the game and taco performing really bad, they dindt have a good duelist what is one of the most important thing in a team, Tex was really good in ascencion, tier 2 is not far away from tier 1, that was demostrated in this offseason. So stop hating and 100thieves and asuna are shit btw
I like NRG more than 100t anyway
But still
100t 2-0 LEV
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]Tex coming from ascension
Never played an international tourney
Mazino and Kingg’s highest placement ever at LAN was 5-8th
This just isn’t a superteam calibre team
You forget where fnatic leo and optic yay come from
And also you forget where all EG player come from
m11lan [#122]You forget where fnatic leo and optic yay come from
And also you forget where all EG player come from
Sure, everyone comes from nothing
But it isn’t fair to call LEV a superteam until we actually see them do something
Asuna_Yuuki [#69]I mean LEV are pretty much an NA team now after all XD
llamar una organización con solo 2 jugadores no latinos "NA" es tremenda cagada hermano
beaver_man [#48]Are you trolling brother. Optic got 2nd place at champs 2022, higher than fnatic has ever placed at champs
optic and fanatic both getting absolutely fathered by LOUD
Asuna_Yuuki [#83]Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
nrg literally had the most successful core of 2022 and added s0m which ended being the best controller of the year and ardiis which was a top 3 duelist on 2022 and got bombed out by bili bili.
Asuna_Yuuki [#84]Being the most consistent player in SEN is not a high bar at all 😂
nah I can’t with you man. You called zekken bad during 2023 that’s just horrendous take . I know I say some bad takes but that take was genuinely the worst take I’ve heard
lev last year was maps away from qualifying to both masters and champs, they had taco who had -10 kd all matches and now they have aspas who barely has been negative on any maps this year, they got tex in place of shyy which isnt necesarily an improvement but i think he will be important af now that the team might play double duelist more efficiently, they have c0m which might not be a improvement over nzr if we talk about stats, but its better if we take in count they communicate in english now and c0m is a great caller and an impressive impactful player who clutches unwinnable rounds ( i forgot to mention c0m is better on sova and fade and they might be meta now in place of skye so its also better because of agent pool now), and mazino isnt even bad idk why you think he was bad last year but he carried some important maps on important matches like againt sentinels on lower of lcq when he lost against kru where he literally match mvped clearing zekken pancada and sacy which are all players that just by name you´ll argue they all above mazino, and he was also very important on the victory against c9 on lower final of lcq because he carried with harbor on the last map to take the comeback (they were 0-2 on maps starting the match and ended 3-2 with him being a menace on the last map you should never count mazino out) and i think we shouldnt even talk about kingg he is smart in terms of individual plays, he is an insane fragger and now he´ll have more help with the communication, if this isnt a super team idk what is (i still like kru more tho).
and then you have nrg which by names is better player by player but they also had a better team last year and fell apart by china number 2, and the only improvement this team has is demon1 in place of ardiis, because marved was worse than s0m last year and he peaked on masters of 2022 not even on champs 2022, also ethan over fns is just the same on util, worst on comms but ill give him the fact that he is 20 times better than fns in aim, but will he frag as much as he did last year now that he has to igl against teams with top igls on his first year with a lot of pressure on his shoulders? i dont think so.
tldr: lev has roles figured out this time unlike last year and they have some better players in place of their last year roster which was good enough already to be 5th of americas on regular league and 2nd on lcq (maps away from masters and champs) they also swapped the worst duelist of americas for the best duelist which is the best signing of the entire off season.
koromast [#137]lev last year was maps away from qualifying to both masters and champs, they had taco who had -10 kd all matches and now they have aspas who barely has been negative on any maps this year, they got tex in place of shyy which isnt necesarily an improvement but i think he will be important af now that the team might play double duelist more efficiently, they have c0m which might not be a improvement over nzr if we talk about stats, but its better if we take in count they communicate in english now and c0m is a great caller and an impressive impactful player who clutches unwinnable rounds ( i forgot to mention c0m is better on sova and fade and they might be meta now in place of skye so its also better because of agent pool now), and mazino isnt even bad idk why you think he was bad last year but he carried some important maps on important matches like againt sentinels on lower of lcq when he lost against kru where he literally match mvped clearing zekken pancada and sacy which are all players that just by name you´ll argue they all above mazino, and he was also very important on the victory against c9 on lower final of lcq because he carried with harbor on the last map to take the comeback (they were 0-2 on maps starting the match and ended 3-2 with him being a menace on the last map you should never count mazino out) and i think we shouldnt even talk about kingg he is smart in terms of individual plays, he is an insane fragger and now he´ll have more help with the communication, if this isnt a super team idk what is (i still like kru more tho).
and then you have nrg which by names is better player by player but they also had a better team last year and fell apart by china number 2, and the only improvement this team has is demon1 in place of ardiis, because marved was worse than s0m last year and he peaked on masters of 2022 not even on champs 2022, also ethan over fns is just the same on util, worst on comms but ill give him the fact that he is 20 times better than fns in aim, but will he frag as much as he did last year now that he has to igl against teams with top igls on his first year with a lot of pressure on his shoulders? i dont think so.
tldr: lev has roles figured out this time unlike last year and they have some better players in place of their last year roster which was good enough already to be 5th of americas on regular league and 2nd on lcq (maps away from masters and champs) they also swapped the worst duelist of americas for the best duelist which is the best signing of the entire off season.
the issue isn't about the players skill but rather the chemistry, I say this as it is an english roster and a lot of the team's first language is not english which might affect comms and other things but it's also with the recent drama that happened and how aspas' mentality might be affected by it and also the rest of the players and staff.
Zerphyr1 [#139]the issue isn't about the players skill but rather the chemistry, I say this as it is an english roster and a lot of the team's first language is not english which might affect comms and other things but it's also with the recent drama that happened and how aspas' mentality might be affected by it and also the rest of the players and staff.
i think the comms issue was a huge issue until they decided to move their player with worse english (nzr) for arguably the best 2nd caller of americas (c0m)
btw fuck lev all my homies support nzr, even if everyday that i think about the change it makes more sense progressively
Asuna_Yuuki [#85]SEN weren’t making playoffs regardless
EG c9 and LOUD were just clearly better teams overall
They were never going to win
SEN weren’t making playoffs regardless
what a dumb statement to make without knowing the points table. eg and sen was 4-5 on w/l in americas league. they still had chance.
nvm, don't expect much from a delusional kid
Asuna_Yuuki [#104]Reading comprehension check?
I never said LEV were bad. I said they weren’t superteam caliber
Zekken is also good but he isn’t superteam caliber
Also even though Acend won champs they haven’t had any results since
NRG’s players have had consistent results all throughout VAL
The two situations aren’t even comparable
It is actually more of a superteam caliber just bcz u took the most powerful people on Latam, one of the better duelist in the competition and a last year champion, maybe it works maybe doesnt, but on paper they are a superteam
Asuna_Yuuki [#83]Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
Liquid last year?
koromast [#133]nrg literally had the most successful core of 2022 and added s0m which ended being the best controller of the year and ardiis which was a top 3 duelist on 2022 and got bombed out by bili bili.
Cmon bro NRG weren’t stacked
koromast [#140]i think the comms issue was a huge issue until they decided to move their player with worse english (nzr) for arguably the best 2nd caller of americas (c0m)
btw fuck lev all my homies support nzr, even if everyday that i think about the change it makes more sense progressively
c0m wasn’t even second calling on EG
He was literally the lurker so he was likely speaking the least
Ethan was the second caller after Boostio
Watch EG comms videos
Asuna_Yuuki [#83]Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
Fartinels
Asuna_Yuuki [#83]Most “stacked” rosters succeed
I seriously can’t think of stacked rosters that haven’t succeeded
Tell me which stacked rosters haven’t succeeded
Cloud9 with yay
ionlyHave1Zuni [#147]Cloud9 with yay
Lowkey that team is the most overrated
Leaf vanity and xeppa did nothing in 2022
Zellsis did barely anything in 2022
yay was the only proven player
I don’t think that team was “stacked”
Asuna_Yuuki [#148]Lowkey that team is the most overrated
Leaf vanity and xeppa did nothing in 2022
Zellsis did barely anything in 2022
yay was the only proven player
I don’t think that team was “stacked”
U can cope all u want but that was a stacked roster
ionlyHave1Zuni [#150]U can cope all u want but that was a stacked roster
It just wasn’t
Tell me what all of those players besides yay have done in their career
People throw around the word “stacked” too much
Asuna_Yuuki [#151]It just wasn’t
Tell me what all of those players besides yay have done in their career
People throw around the word “stacked” too much
you so braindead i cant bro take the win 💪🇹🇷😱🐐
ionlyHave1Zuni [#152]you so braindead i cant bro take the win 💪🇹🇷😱🐐
Im open to having my opinion changed
Tell me how c9 was “stacked” it just makes no sense
Asuna_Yuuki [#153]Im open to having my opinion changed
Tell me how c9 was “stacked” it just makes no sense
NA theacegamer30 😮💨😐
pessi_41 [#141]SEN weren’t making playoffs regardless
what a dumb statement to make without knowing the points table. eg and sen was 4-5 on w/l in americas league. they still had chance.
nvm, don't expect much from a delusional kid
Yeah if sen got one win which they would’ve qualified for playoffs
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