Now let me start off saying that this is a non biased take and i think the 2 of them are the GOAT duelists. Only Cned is comparable but Derke and Aspas are neck and neck for the GOAT duelist spot. Now in my opinion, Derke wins this argument solely for the facts that 1. He's Raze is infinitely better than Aspas's Raze. 2. He has been doing it for a longer time, is more consistent and has always been the best player on his team before Leo arrived (even Leo vs Derke is 50/50). Before LOCKIN he was statistically top 2 LAN player in the history of Valorant statistically. and while i don't think that changed after LOCKIN, he's still minimum top 3
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cryyBAE [#4]Aspas > Derke
It's a valid take too brother. This is just mine but i've seen Aspas play many times and i consider him as a top 3 or top 5 player in the world. I rate both VERY high. The reason i put Derke ahead of Aspas very slightly is consistency and Raze
Yessirskiiii [#2]Cned is comparable all time*. Currently Sayf imo
yay is better if we talk all time
nutab1e [#11]allat + aspas owns that bozo
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Mortadelo [#13]yay is better if we talk all time
U mean, chamber abuser?
Did you see him playing Jett in his last game? hahahahhahahaha
No, why people must be bragging about Raze this raze that, what so special abt being good at using Raze ha? If some1 always play jett and be a monster, and thats it. For now Aspas > Derke, Aspas faced so many harder enemies than Derke. I know Derke was a monster in 2021, but after the coming of Aspas, theres no more Derke, Aspas #1 (at least for now), this aspas guy is perfect on everything, game sense, movement, idk, Aspas is a perfect duelist
Yessirskiiii [#15]I have contacted the Kolkata asylum and told them that one of their residents who goes on vlr.gg by "nutab1e" has been using the asylums wifi without permission again. Do not take this personally as it will help you with your recovery
please stop advertising your business under my posts + get your monitor punching problem under control
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#16]Chamber is not duelist bro
So you're telling me historically yay is a better sentinel than nats? Idgf how Rito calls Chamber, chamber players are duelists
cryyBAE [#17]U mean, chamber abuser?
Did you see him playing Jett in his last game? hahahahhahahaha
"All time". If you say yay has never been good with our chamber you're straight up delusional
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
Mortadelo [#25]So you're telling me historically yay is a better sentinel than nats? Idgf how Rito calls Chamber, chamber players are duelists
^^^^
Mortadelo [#25]So you're telling me historically yay is a better sentinel than nats? Idgf how Rito calls Chamber, chamber players are duelists
Chamber was indeed more of a duelist than a sentinel BUT the problem is, while Yay was getting first picks, he never made space and never hard entried as Chamber (well Chambers kit isn't made for that so i don't blame him but still)
Yessirskiiii [#18]I just meant duelists specifically
I just consider yay a duelist. Idc Riot says it's a sentinel, duelist players play chamber, not sentinel players. But Ig it's fair
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#29]I've never heard of this player before
is he a pro valorant player?
hes tokyo MVP when DRX win
Yessirskiiii [#31]Chamber was indeed more of a duelist than a sentinel BUT the problem is, while Yay was getting first picks, he never made space and never hard entried as Chamber (well Chambers kit isn't made for that so i don't blame him but still)
Chamber is not an entry, I do buy that part. But his rol in the team was to take "duels", so duelist, n to entry you're right, but duelist
We should talk about this after this years championship, Aspas and Derke both have been very good this year and i am talking about only this year and Both have amazing team mates to back them up, so its too early to talk about it, as no duelist was able to dominate 2 years straight till now in valorant, like Cned who fell off after champions and this year too he is not up there just yet, and yay too fell off after chamber meta came to end, but its too early to say aspas is #1 duelist of all time or not, if he puts up same performance this year too then he is #1 of all time as no one was able to dominate 2 years in a row
Mortadelo [#34]Chamber is not an entry, I do buy that part. But his rol in the team was to take "duels", so duelist, n to entry you're right, but duelist
Yeah i agree. Just that i feel like such a big part of playing duelist is entrying and taking space
fafgt [#19]No, why people must be bragging about Raze this raze that, what so special abt being good at using Raze ha? If some1 always play jett and be a monster, and thats it. For now Aspas > Derke, Aspas faced so many harder enemies than Derke. I know Derke was a monster in 2021, but after the coming of Aspas, theres no more Derke, Aspas #1 (at least for now), this aspas guy is perfect on everything, game sense, movement, idk, Aspas is a perfect duelist
Look at stats. Derke has better stats in every tournament him and aspas both played together in
Darkhunter [#35]We should talk about this after this years championship, Aspas and Derke both have been very good this year and i am talking about only this year and Both have amazing team mates to back them up, so its too early to talk about it, as no duelist was able to dominate 2 years straight till now in valorant, like Cned who fell off after champions and this year too he is not up there just yet, and yay too fell off after chamber meta came to end, but its too early to say aspas is #1 duelist of all time or not, if he puts up same performance this year too then he is #1 of all time as no one was able to dominate 2 years in a row
Aspas and Derke are definitely 1 and 2 all time imo
Yessirskiiii [#36]Yeah i agree. Just that i feel like such a big part of playing duelist is entrying and taking space
That's true, but yay was also a good entry back when he played Jett. Anyway Ig it's fair
Yessirskiiii [#6]It's a valid take too brother. This is just mine but i've seen Aspas play many times and i consider him as a top 3 or top 5 player in the world. I rate both VERY high. The reason i put Derke ahead of Aspas very slightly is consistency and Raze
yes bro aspas jett> derke jett (aspas is really confident on jett he do be feelin it 24/7)
derke raze>aspas raze (aspas creates space but not as good as derke)
GreyDaze [#37]Look at stats. Derke has better stats in every tournament him and aspas both played together in
Ofc, just like i said. Aspas facing so many harder enemies. And 1 thing, Loud is all-aimers team, while Derke carrying Fnatic so hard
Number_1_Sheydos_Fan [#28]Aspas fans talking about him having won champs while forgetting that he dropped the ball in every single game at last years champs i coming in 3... 2.... 1....
Aspas: 1 champs
Derke: 0 champs
debate is over
GreyDaze [#37]Look at stats. Derke has better stats in every tournament him and aspas both played together in
at the end of the day after many years looking back people will remember the tournament winners (majors/champions) not the stat leaderboard
Mortadelo [#39]That's true, but yay was also a good entry back when he played Jett. Anyway Ig it's fair
Facts but imo i still put Cned ahead of him all time Jetts
Yessirskiiii [#38]Aspas and Derke are definitely 1 and 2 all time imo
nah bro, its too early to say that, what if Cned suddenly picks up and wins another champion this year, it might not be possible but what if it happens?? with 2 champions he will become #1 ,Until now in Valo no one has ever dominated 2 years in a row consistently and it is too early to say if aspas will do that or not, so far he is showing signs that he will do it and wont be slowing down anytime soon.. but you never know in Valo , anything can happen as devs can buff/nerf any agent at any time....
ExCPt [#43]Aspas: 1 champs
Derke: 0 champs
debate is over
kiles: 1 champs
Aspas: 1 champs
kiles = aspas
fafgt [#42]Ofc, just like i said. Aspas facing so many harder enemies. And 1 thing, Loud is all-aimers team, while Derke carrying Fnatic so hard
Derke not even the best player in the team tho😂. Leo was the mvp in lock in did u forget. Only boaster has worse aim than derke. Everyone else are pretty equal. Also how has aspas faced harder teams?? That's not an argument. We look at stats
whoagain [#44]at the end of the day after many years looking back people will remember the tournament winners (majors/champions) not the stat leaderboard
That's like saying no one will remember neymar since he didn't win wc cmon
GreyDaze [#52]Derke not even the best player in the team tho😂. Leo was the mvp in lock in did u forget. Only boaster has worse aim than derke. Everyone else are pretty equal. Also how has aspas faced harder teams?? That's not an argument. We look at stats
U dumb or what, look at lock in, loud vs nrg, drx. Compared to fnatic so much easierrrr
MaTrix96 [#51]By paper, Aspas edges Derke. But come on be honest, if LOUD didn't choke that 11-3 lead, we would call Aspas the GOAT rn. Not taking anything away from Fnatic but LOUD's success is heavily influenced by Aspas.
Maybe so but that comeback was heavily also influenced by Derke. Aspas was fucking incredible on icebox also
patuj [#8]Brazilians with their superiority complex incoming
funny seeing this coming from an european
Yessirskiiii [#58]Maybe so but that comeback was heavily also influenced by Derke. Aspas was fucking incredible on icebox also
Point given. But when was the last time Fnatic pulled a run like that though? I feel like Fnatic is heavily structured that's why Derke excels in what he does best. I still think individually, Aspas is more creative and a better duelist overall.
MaTrix96 [#60]Point given. But when was the last time Fnatic pulled a run like that though? I feel like Fnatic is heavily structured that's why Derke excels in what he does best. I still think individually, Aspas is more creative and a better duelist overall.
Hey i got zero problem with someone saying Aspas is better. Thats 100% a valid take as they're both so close to each other in my eyes. They're the only 2 duelists that are on that level
eszett [#59]funny seeing this coming from an european
Brazilians act like the world is against them and how they are the underdogs while having the most biased superiority complex fanbase out there
patuj [#62]Brazilians act like the world is against them and how they are the underdogs while having the most biased superiority complex fanbase out there
and the most of europeans always act like they're the bests in everything and can't even recognize other's merit
i don't think you have some place of speech here
you have to choose, m8: or brazilians act like they have superiority complex, or they act like they're underdogs
Pengu12 [#7]Man I like Cned, but he is barely top 5 duelist in eu, I would say derke, sayf, scream and maybe qw1 are just as good/better
He is best awper eu tho
I agree with you but scream isn't better. Derke, sayf, qw1 and twisten are better than cned.
eszett [#64]and the most of europeans always act like they're the bests in everything and can't even recognize other's merit
i don't think you have some place of speech hereyou have to choose, m8: or brazilians act like they have superiority complex, or they act like they're underdogs
Says the one defending braziL
grenji [#14]
- Aspas
- Derke
__ BIG GAP- Zekken
- Sayf
- Foxy9
this is a good list idk why its downvoted, maybe dgzin should be there
Yessirskiiii [#36]Yeah i agree. Just that i feel like such a big part of playing duelist is entrying and taking space
when chamber meta happened kayo became a duelist which means victor almost always had the entry role while yay was an oper
cryyBAE [#5]Derke lost to T0nz
Whole of Brazil was dog shit during that time as well Sharks Vikings but right now Brazil owns lol
nutab1e [#22]please stop advertising your business under my posts + get your monitor punching problem under control
somehow you have made yourself look even worse, the warden might send you to the white room again if this behaviour becomes a pattern.
snper [#65]I agree with you but scream isn't better. Derke, sayf, qw1 and twisten are better than cned.
Scream looked very good vs navi when he didnt have to igl, i would expect more from him going on
fafgt [#57]U dumb or what, look at lock in, loud vs nrg, drx. Compared to fnatic so much easierrrr
That's coz fnc was too good lmao. Fnc faced Sen,furia,100t and navi. Navi is the team which beat lev comfortably BTW.
Pengu12 [#7]Man I like Cned, but he is barely top 5 duelist in eu, I would say derke, sayf, scream and maybe qw1 are just as good/better
He is best awper eu tho
Wym "barely" top 5 in eu. 1.Derke, 2.Sayf, 3. cNed. He is infact comfortably top 3. Scream, twisten and qw1 are not better than him. Did you see how hard he diffed scream in the second map while missing bunch of close range shorty/classic kills. Also, if you havent watched all the games, he is still stats-wise better while bottling games on omen in lotus.
AKIRA1988 [#70]somehow you have made yourself look even worse, the warden might send you to the white room again if this behaviour becomes a pattern.
what is white room? some place in yessirskis neighborhood clinic in kolkata? he threw a nice temper tantrum when i exposed him 😂
veyyyyron [#78]If you're considering playing more than one agent as being the "GOAT", yes, derke is the GOAT. But if you're considering entering a site, anchor a bomb so hard your enemies will jumpscare everytime, killing time even getting flashed or stunned and being handsome, then you might reconsider
"being handsome" got me hahaha
mrGoudas [#71]Scream looked very good vs navi when he didnt have to igl, i would expect more from him going on
yeah, empty headed go kill scream is scary..
Mortadelo [#25]So you're telling me historically yay is a better sentinel than nats? Idgf how Rito calls Chamber, chamber players are duelists
Do you even know what a duelist means? A duelist clears space and entries for the team. Good luck doing that with Chamber. Chamber was an overpowered sentinel who was great for holding down sites but taking space with him was very hard.
Just because your favourite pro player started playing Chamber doesn't mean he's a duelist, his utility cannot take space effectively, yes he can take aggressive peeks and duels but that's all, you definitely need a duelist in your team along with a chamber to have some meaningful impact.
PSxUchiha [#84]Do you even know what a duelist means? A duelist clears space and entries for the team. Good luck doing that with Chamber. Chamber was an overpowered sentinel who was great for holding down sites but taking space with him was very hard.
Just because your favourite pro player started playing Chamber doesn't mean he's a duelist, his utility cannot take space effectively, yes he can take aggressive peeks and duels but that's all, you definitely need a duelist in your team along with a chamber to have some meaningful impact.
he doesn't play the game so he doesn't understand roles 💀
unedit lil bro 💀
thx 💀
Yessirskiiii [#31]Chamber was indeed more of a duelist than a sentinel BUT the problem is, while Yay was getting first picks, he never made space and never hard entried as Chamber (well Chambers kit isn't made for that so i don't blame him but still)
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teilwal [#10]Masters Tokyo will be able to give us the answers we seek
tbf lockin gave us the answer. Tokyo will give the updated answer.
PSxUchiha [#84]Do you even know what a duelist means? A duelist clears space and entries for the team. Good luck doing that with Chamber. Chamber was an overpowered sentinel who was great for holding down sites but taking space with him was very hard.
Just because your favourite pro player started playing Chamber doesn't mean he's a duelist, his utility cannot take space effectively, yes he can take aggressive peeks and duels but that's all, you definitely need a duelist in your team along with a chamber to have some meaningful impact.
"Just because your favourite pro player started playing Chamber doesn't mean he's a duelist" What Lol
A duelist are all agents whose sole purpose is to look for duels and take them, as simple as that. Because if not, illuminate me, how does Reyna create space?
Mortadelo [#27]"All time". If you say yay has never been good with our chamber you're straight up delusional
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
You're forgetting one BIG detail here:
This tournament took place back when Jett was still OP and the dash wasn't nerfed.
Just look at Jett pick rates, Jett was the Chamber back in that tournament.
Yay hasn't played Jett consistently after the nerfs and has relied on Chamber after that.
PSxUchiha [#90]You're forgetting one BIG detail here:
This tournament took place back when Jett was still OP and the dash wasn't nerfed.
Just look at Jett pick rates, Jett was the Chamber back in that tournament.
Yay hasn't played Jett consistently after the nerfs and has relied on Chamber after that.
So it was nerfed for everyone and Op for yay? Because unless I'm seeing this wrong he was better than any other Jett in the world
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#29]I've never heard of this player before
is he a pro valorant player?
He's part of DRX.
That should be enough intro I think.
Yessirskiiii [#6]It's a valid take too brother. This is just mine but i've seen Aspas play many times and i consider him as a top 3 or top 5 player in the world. I rate both VERY high. The reason i put Derke ahead of Aspas very slightly is consistency and Raze
I don't know why they say Aspas doesn't play Raze. In the champions, he played half the games with Raze.
cryyBAE [#5]Derke lost to T0nz
What aspas was doing while "Derke lost to t0nz"
https://www.vlr.gg/17616/sharks-esports-vs-slick-champions-tour-brazil-stage-2-challengers-finals-ubqf
nutab1e [#76]what is white room? some place in yessirskis neighborhood clinic in kolkata? he threw a nice temper tantrum when i exposed him 😂
Why does it sound like you hate me man... I'm just bantering around i got nothing against you...
Yessirskiiii [#96]Why does it sound like you hate me man... I'm just bantering around i got nothing against you...
I don't hate you either you just had a mental breakdown when I noticed ur from india 😂
kanyefan4238173 [#94]Aspas better in 2023.
I also think this is more of a jett conversation, to me sayf is in the best duelist convo
derke is dominating EMEA (best region) while shitpas can barely beat c9 and mibr😂😂😂
reycac [#98]derke is dominating EMEA (best region) while shitpas can barely beat c9 and mibr😂😂😂
funny when 100t won fut
leviatan won vitality
EG won heretics
NRG won giants
only Flukenatic and NAVI beat americas teams on fluke-in
americas > shitmea
TheHowling02 [#87]tbf lockin gave us the answer. Tokyo will give the updated answer.
correct https://freeimage.host/i/H8C8nmQ
alitmanus [#99]funny when 100t won fut
leviatan won vitality
EG won heretics
NRG won giantsonly Flukenatic and NAVI beat americas teams on fluke-in
americas > shitmea
lock in doesnt matter according to bronzilians i thought
reycac [#101]lock in doesnt matter according to bronzilians i thought
they're coping, it does matter
but most teams were testing comps and not tryharding like flukenatic
let's remember DRX even dropped fracture, their second best map, to talon, simply bcuz they were testing comps.
if shitmea fans really think flukenatic will be dominant on international stage, sorry, they won't. Actually the fact there's almost no competitiveness for them at shitmea will make them weaker. something like Loud in Copenhagen. They dominated the weak teams in Brazil, and when they arrived on the international stage they had a reality check and got grouped.
alitmanus [#102]they're coping, it does matter
but most teams were testing comps and not tryharding like flukenatic
let's remember DRX even dropped fracture, their second best map, to talon, simply bcuz they were testing comps.
if shitmea fans really think flukenatic will be dominant on international stage, sorry, they won't. Actually the fact there's almost no competitiveness for them at shitmea will make them weaker. something like Loud in Copenhagen. They dominated the weak teams in Brazil, and when they arrived on the international stage they had a reality check and got grouped.
maybe you should ask why LOUD always bootcamp in EMEA hmm
reycac [#103]maybe you should ask why LOUD always bootcamp in EMEA hmm
bcuz it's literally the region with more teams, it's easier to find teams to scrim against
lol
alitmanus [#104]bcuz it's literally the region with more teams, it's easier to find teams to scrim against
lol
amount of teams doesnt matter,LOUD could get any scrim they want ,you really think tier 2 NA teams are turning LOUD down?
reycac [#105]amount of teams doesnt matter,LOUD could get any scrim they want ,you really think tier 2 NA teams are turning LOUD down?
bootcamp = scrimming without stoping
it's not easy to find scrims lil bro, not everyone is free all the time. More teams = easier to find scrims.
alitmanus [#106]bootcamp = scrimming without stoping
it's not easy to find scrims lil bro, not everyone is free all the time. More teams = easier to find scrims.
i mean ur just a bit delusional,emea wins the most internationally,everyone wants to scrim here,and is the most diverse competitively but americas is better ggs
reycac [#107]i mean ur just a bit delusional,emea wins the most internationally,everyone wants to scrim here,and is the most diverse competitively but americas is better ggs
yeah americas are clearly more competitive than EMEA
flukenatic is literally 2-0ing everyone
you can cope and say they're just too good, but this is not true. Loud and DRX map pool is better than flukenatic, they just won that finals bcuz loud was testing comps.
Flukenatic cant even play pearl and they're picking their best map almost every match (Icebox)
GreyDaze [#53]That's like saying no one will remember neymar since he didn't win wc cmon
this ain't no football lil bro again it's only me i'm just saying
alitmanus [#108]yeah americas are clearly more competitive than EMEA
flukenatic is literally 2-0ing everyone
you can cope and say they're just too good, but this is not true. Loud and DRX map pool is better than flukenatic, they just won that finals bcuz loud was testing comps.
Flukenatic cant even play pearl and they're picking their best map almost every match (Icebox)
every team with a brain has a perma ban map,loud practicing every map is dumb and hurts them longterm
reycac [#110]every team with a brain has a perma ban map,loud practicing every map is dumb and hurts them longterm
Actually loud won champions bcuz they had the best map pool at the time
if your map pool sucks, you won't win shit.
DRX understands this, and they went from getting destroyed on Pearl by Loud and cUck9 to having a decent pearl.
alitmanus [#111]Actually loud won champions bcuz they had the best map pool at the time
if your map pool sucks, you won't win shit.
DRX understands this, and they went from getting destroyed on Pearl by Loud and cUck9 to having a decent pearl.
loud had 2 free bans against optic at iceland and still got destroyed,map pool isnt why they win
reycac [#112]loud had 2 free bans against optic at iceland and still got destroyed,map pool isnt why they win
they got destroyed at iceland bcuz their map pool sucked at the time
split was their permaban they got destroyed by Team Liquid on Haven and by Optic on fracture, they had to ban both maps, but their breeze wasn't that good as well
They fixed their map pool and at champions they had the best breeze and haven itw
alitmanus [#113]they got destroyed at iceland bcuz their map pool sucked at the time
split was their permaban they got destroyed by Team Liquid on Haven and by Optic on fracture, they had to ban both maps, but their breeze wasn't that good as well
They fixed their map pool and at champions they had the best breeze and haven itw
the only maps loud could beat fnc on were split (just added back) and lotus (newest map) , by tokyo fnc map pool clears louds by a mile
Shownu [#114]All you need to know is Derke was playing in Masters Final with a bad team while Aspas was in tier 2 Brazil Challengers dropping 0.8s
all you need to know is Aspas won champions with 18yo, while Derke with 20yo only won fluke-in
reycac [#115]the only maps loud could beat fnc on were split (just added back) and lotus (newest map) , by tokyo fnc map pool clears louds by a mile
the only maps Flukenatic could beat loud were ascent (they were testing double controller comp in it), and icebox (they were testing skye comp), they aren't using those comps anymore, by now they clear Flukenatic by a mile.
Also you're forgetting they didnt play haven and pearl
Fnatic almost lost haven to Furia kekw
needed lucky clutch to beat furia
alitmanus [#117]the only maps Flukenatic could beat loud were ascent (they were testing double controller comp in it), and icebox (they were testing skye comp), they aren't using those comps anymore, by now they clear Flukenatic by a mile.
Also you're forgetting they didnt play haven and pearl
Fnatic almost lost haven to Furia kekw
needed lucky clutch to beat furia
fnc shit on loud so much on fracture they started banning it ,doesnt sound like they're very confident
reycac [#118]fnc shit on loud so much on fracture they started banning it ,doesnt sound like they're very confident
Fracture was literally Loud's permaban on champions
DRX also shitted on loud at fracture, lmao flukenatic fan
they are banning fracture to save strats
YeaUrMum [#77]How tf are you saying aspas raze is shit did you not seem him play raze at champs? Brain dead idiots
no one said Aspas is shit on raze, i still remember his clutch against optic in bind at champs. It is just that Derke is better at raze than aspas
alitmanus [#119]Fracture was literally Loud's permaban on champions
DRX also shitted on loud at fracture, lmao flukenatic fan
they are banning fracture to save strats
alright man for sure ,they are saving fracture to see if sadhak can drop 5 kills next time , you will see at tokyo
reycac [#121]alright man for sure ,they are saving fracture to see if sadhak can drop 5 kills next time , you will see at tokyo
as I said they were testing comps, saadhak won't play raze anymore on fracture
and aspas will play neon
how I know? he spams neon when he plays fracture on rankeds
https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/LOUD%20aspas%23LLL/overview
alitmanus [#116]all you need to know is Aspas won champions with 18yo, while Derke with 20yo only won fluke-in
Alfa won Lock In at 17. Your point?
My first introduction to Aspas was him on Raze vs OpTic in Masters Reykjavic 2 on Bind in the grand finals where OpTic could not deal with his raze in showers and I was like, this guy is insane. I think Saadhak plays raze over Aspas because of double duelist comp and not because of comfort and therefore we don't get to see much of Aspas Raze but I think Aspas Raze is on par with Derke and his Jett > Derke Jett
SigmaMale [#49]kiles: 1 champs
Aspas: 1 champskiles = aspas
Never seen such hardset facts in this site
makewar [#100]correct https://freeimage.host/i/H8C8nmQ
Hahaha yes lets ignore that derkers acs was higher in that game + fnc won + derker had higher average acs in the tournament.
TheHowling02 [#128]Hahaha yes lets ignore that derkers acs was higher in that game + fnc won + derker had higher average acs in the tournament.
Oh and derker had more kills that game.
nutab1e [#97]I don't hate you either you just had a mental breakdown when I noticed ur from india 😂
Me speaking Finnish with PatuJ = me being from India?
PSxUchiha [#90]You're forgetting one BIG detail here:
This tournament took place back when Jett was still OP and the dash wasn't nerfed.
Just look at Jett pick rates, Jett was the Chamber back in that tournament.
Yay hasn't played Jett consistently after the nerfs and has relied on Chamber after that.
Wow so everyone had the nerfed jett except yay?
TheHowling02 [#129]Oh and derker had more kills that game.
i though you were talking h2h. but no, you are throwing stats unrelated to the topic.
having more kills overall on the game means nothing on derke x aspas. he farmed on other unrelated to the topic loud players, not on aspas. i appreciate you mentioning that loud lost, because i think it only proves my point. even losing, even having less kills overall, aspas was still superior h2h.
ACS on the tournament again means nothing since they faced different oponentes and fnatic hadn't loose a map before facing loud
still, h2h aspas won. and i think actually he being only +1 point how close they are.
that being said... i don't think stats from one match proves shit, i was just baiting you. so easy to bait emea fans lol.
this whole discussion is idiotic and both of them are the GOATs
Yessirskiiii [#6]It's a valid take too brother. This is just mine but i've seen Aspas play many times and i consider him as a top 3 or top 5 player in the world. I rate both VERY high. The reason i put Derke ahead of Aspas very slightly is consistency and Raze
I have been saying this for awhile bow. Aspas jett is slightly better then Derkes jett but they are comparable, Derkes raze is significantly better than Aspas raze. Derke provides more value being able to play both at an extremely high level.
Mortadelo [#91]So it was nerfed for everyone and Op for yay? Because unless I'm seeing this wrong he was better than any other Jett in the world
No he wasn't lol.
makewar [#133]i though you were talking h2h. but no, you are throwing stats unrelated to the topic.
having more kills overall on the game means nothing on derke x aspas. he farmed on other unrelated to the topic loud players, not on aspas. i appreciate you mentioning that loud lost, because i think it only proves my point. even losing, even having less kills overall, aspas was still superior h2h.
ACS on the tournament again means nothing since they faced different oponentes and fnatic hadn't loose a map before facing loud
still, h2h aspas won. and i think actually he being only +1 point how close they are.
that being said... i don't think stats from one match proves shit, i was just baiting you. so easy to bait emea fans lol.
this whole discussion is idiotic and both of them are the GOATs
so easy to bait emea fans
He says while also sending a massive paragraph XD. Oh the irony. I agree there close but head2head doesnt mean shit this isnt COD. The reality is derke helped FNC win 3-11 on icebox which is invaluable.
TheHowling02 [#138]so easy to bait emea fans
He says while also sending a massive paragraph XD. Oh the irony. I agree there close but head2head doesnt mean shit this isnt COD. The reality is derke helped FNC win 3-11 on icebox which is invaluable.
my bait was 1 word, the other reply wasn't it. i have always been prolific.
i still think they are equally goated and this whole discussion is childish and idiotic so i really don't care. bye
makewar [#139]my bait was 1 word, the other reply wasn't it. i have always been prolific.
i still think they are equally goated and this whole discussion is childish and idiotic so i really don't care. bye
Then why are you still talking????
ExCPt [#43]Aspas: 1 champs
Derke: 0 champs
debate is over
Aspas 1.02 rating in the event he won meanwhile derke 1.15...
Cope loser
Number_1_Sheydos_Fan [#141]Aspas 1.02 rating in the event he won meanwhile derke 1.15...
Cope loser
Aspas: 1 Champions
Derke: Mickey//IN
Debate is over
GreyDaze [#73]That's coz fnc was too good lmao. Fnc faced Sen,furia,100t and navi. Navi is the team which beat lev comfortably BTW.
"Downfall" Navi
snper [#67]this is a good list idk why its downvoted, maybe dgzin should be there
Good list??? He's got Zekken ahead of Sayf and Foxy9 who's barely played in top 5 lol
ExCPt [#142]Aspas: 1 Champions
Derke: Mickey//IN
Debate is over
If LOUD had won lockin would it have been mickey tourney too?
Achlys [#145]Derke is way more consistent than aspas imo
But when aspas pops off he pops off much harder than derke
thats a great analysis
aTastyCook1e [#46]Aspas better
- Made 3 finals in international championships with less career time than Derke.
- Champions > Lock in.
- Aspas didnt need GOATs Chronicle and Leo to win an international trophy.
- Aspas's raze is insane:
Btw i love Bald Derke! 💅
So you are saying Less isn't a GOAT level player? Plus Sacy and Pancada and super fraggy Saadhak more than makeup for Chronicle and Alfajer.
lorenzopajaroFC [#74]Derke was the better player during lock in and it’s not even a debate
On the other hand ever since he lost that final aspas has been playing this game some 15h a day and his last performances are his best ever, will be interesting to see how they match up again in Tokyo
OK nvm
Yessirskiiii [#144]Good list??? He's got Zekken ahead of Sayf and Foxy9 who's barely played in top 5 lol
Foxy9 has played every map in the regular season. I agree with Sayf>Zekken but its still a good list.
Yessirskiiii [#144]Good list??? He's got Zekken ahead of Sayf and Foxy9 who's barely played in top 5 lol
actual 20iq cant pull up DRX vlr page. EU education ig.
hanafuuji [#153]kkkkkk aspas got fucking rekt by a dude who play on knights weekly a couple months ago kkkkk
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