I almost never see him mentioned, sometimes as low as 5th place
Is he not a good mix between the achievements of chronicle and the skill of Aspas?
Has won trophies
Has put up great numbers internationally countless times
Has had memorable highlight moments
Has played multiple roles
Passes the eye test
Has shown up in big games
The only things he hasn't done is win champs, and perform on multiple teams
Even if you don't think he's better than Aspas, surely he should go above chronicle?
the goat is Alfajer
if u value igls, he should be at least 3 and saadhak/fns are in the top 20 for sure
if u dont, he shouldnt be on the list
it is personal preference
Goats IGL should be ones that consistently performed and not fall off the map after they won 1 event
which those 3 did?
Boaster - 2021-present
FNS - 2021-2023
Saadhak 2021?-early 2024
Are we really going to talk about pre franchise? Then might as well put Yay in there if you wanted to do that
gng wtf ??
who the fuck is making goat player lists not including pre-franchise?
vlr is so cooked bro wtf am i reading rn
Bro use common sense. Most list has 10 players if you put all 3 IGL in that leaves only 7 slots for players of all time like Aspas Forsaken and alfajer
"Let me ignore the argument against what I just said in the previous post and say something else"
also i said those 3 should be in the top 20, not top 10. and also this list is a GOAT list valuing igls
you are free to make GOAT lists that do not value igls
look at their name
i can't tell if it's bait or brain damage but their name tells you all you need to know either way
of course the assific fan doesn't wanna talk about pre franchise results 😂
Valyn is a better igl than boaster. Your list is purely EMEA nostalgia for the “glory days” and it’s insanely biased
why???
Boaster has literally had more success than him throughout Valorant and beaten Valyn in every official they faced off:
https://www.vlr.gg/378832/g2-esports-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/498633/g2-esports-vs-fnatic-valorant-masters-toronto-2025-lr3
Because he can call and shoot. Boaster can call, sure, but he’s a walking ult orb 9 out of 10 matches
gng u are comparing something different from me
u are comparing fragging ability of the igl and not the calling ability of the igl
ur definition of igl for the goat list is different than mine. that doesnt invalidate my goat list lmao
I’m comparing as two complete players. You’re comparing using only one part of them
Position in the goat debate is a non existent difference that's made up of peoples biases tbh
Because in order to push the "Chronicle GOAT" narrative you have to pretend his teammates were bums. Can't pretend he's the greatest if you acknowledge his teammate is a better player than him
He’s from the worst region in Valorant. Being in EMEA auto disqualifies you from being the goat
Cuz everyone agrees he's top 10 but no one thinks he's #1 so no one talks about him at all.
Because Fnatic fans preferred to dick ride b0tnicle instead of Alfajer
Before Chronicle, they used to call Leo the GOAT of Valorant. Leo retired, they started to call Derke the GOAT of Valorant. Chronicle is invisible in the server, always in prime positions for statpad, so he looks more consistent, even tho Derke played a more risky role
Derke left them, so they started pushing Chronicle GOAT of Valorant
Now it should be Alfajer''s turn to fuel pointless GOAT debates against Aspas
lets be real here europeans will never say a turkish guy is better than a blonde russian
That's why Fnatic fans have been glazing Chronicle Leo and Derke for years, clowns like Sideshow are very effective on the clueless Valorant fans
in order
if chronicle was still in fnatic, alfajer would be 4th just above boaster
FNC players always lower for me. Barring chronicle. Leo Derke and Alfa youd only ever put in goat/top 5 debates because of that time period where they all played on the same team. And yeah fair enough more trophies more success but again it’s all based on that team. And that year.
Derke has been good since 2021, Alfa since 2022
u dont know what ur talking about gng
chronicle has the skill of aspas so this post doesn't make much sense to me
btw Chron is actually better than Aspas no debate. But vlr wont understand this so I have to put him lower on my lists to keep them agreeable.
Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator)
International Events attended: 10/17 (M3 21, C 21, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, EWC 25, C 25)
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 6
Top 4: 8
Top 8: 10
International Ratings: Average = 1.15
Total Rounds: 2893
- 1.26 * (306 rounds)
- 1.19 * (356 rounds)
- 1.10 * (307 rounds)
- 1.19 * (210 rounds)
- 0.94 * (270 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.21 * (293 rounds)
- 1.13 * (419 rounds)
- 1.30 * (279 rounds)
- 1.07 * (453 rounds)
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.14967507777 -> 1.15
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted WITHOUT EWC: 1.13400816452 -> 1.13................................................................................................................................
Aspas:
Role: Duelist
International Events attended: 10/17 (M1 22, M2 22, C 22, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, C 25)
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 2
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 7
Ratings: Average = 1.12
Total Rounds: 2525
- 1.18 (240 rounds)
- 1.04 (136 rounds)
- 0.99 (366 rounds)
- 1.11 (380 rounds)
- 1.11 (80 rounds)
- 1.15 (515 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.14 (407 rounds)
- 0.53 (71 rounds)
- 1.33 (330 rounds)
Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.12092673267 -> 1.12Conclusion: Chronicle is better.ya.. vlr can be and is very stupid typically
i'm not gonna say aspas is a bad player but i think a lot of his glazing comes from bandwagoners tbh, they see someone call him the goat and show one clipdump and are like "oh okay ur point is valid then" and never get out of that mindset
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