genuinely dont know why the debate about him against aspas is still up, chronicle obviously CANT do 20% of what aspas did with mibr, does someone with a thinking brain believe that putting chron in a team with 3 rookies and artzin-like player he would be able to to qualify to anything??
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yeah I like this analogy
It is correct to say he's the greatest as in the winningest of all time
But performance wise aspas is better (Toronto didn't happen)
But performance wise aspas is better (Toronto didn't happen)
???
performance wise (international success AND international stats) Chron is better:
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Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator)
International Events attended: 10/16
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 6
Top 4: 8
Top 8: 10
Ratings: Average = 1.16
Total Rounds: 2669
- 1.26 * (306 rounds)
- 1.19 * (356 rounds)
- 1.10 * (307 rounds)
- 1.19 * (210 rounds)
- 0.94 * (270 rounds)
- N/A
- 1.21 * (293 rounds)
- 1.13 * (419 rounds)
- 1.30 * (279 rounds)
- 1.16 * (229 rounds)
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.16................................................................................................................................
Aspas:
Role: Duelist
International Events attended: 10/16
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 2
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 7
Ratings: Average = 1.12
Total Rounds: 2525
- 1.18 (240 rounds)
- 1.04 (136 rounds)
- 0.99 (366 rounds)
- 1.11 (380 rounds)
- 1.11 (80 rounds)
- 1.15 (515 rounds)
- N/A
- 1.14 (407 rounds)
- 0.53 (71 rounds)
- 1.33 (256 rounds)
Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.12Conclusion: Chronicle is better.
results based analysis
the gold standard every analytical mind strives for
aka, 2 biggest morons on this site jerking each other off
their European minds cannot fathom the fact that its a 5v5 game and even if it was a 1v1 game chronicle has never outperformed aspas 1v1, just other players
so the best player in the game is just whoever is the best at 1v1? if thats the case then leo is the best player ever no? also in terms of a 5v5 the whole team was built around aspas, and chron is a support player? Like do you even understand what you are saying?
hello guys my stats againt bilibili are better but when i play aspas i go -20 and i drop -11 in the finals but its okay we play RRQ and im your guy!
"i know my goat, he dominates bili and rrq but when he plays aspas he goes -11 in a finals"
sage spike planter agent btw
ofc u dont watch the game and dont understand that his main role wasnt to get kills in that final
except the one aspas is playing, whatever role hes playing i promise you he will think his job is to get kills
Apas played blg and rrq to qualify to playoffs LOL, ur point? I've always seen u bringing up aspas' stats, but now that it proves chron has better stats, it suddenly doesn't matter?
okay if chronicle has better stats show me the times where chronicle didnt lose, play the worst on his team by far, while having a much better team than aspas?
lol or wait, when chronicle had a much better team than aspas, won, and still had worse stats than aspas?
U can literally see chronicle being more consistent, having better stats overall WHILE on flex, aspas' whole job is to frag. Chronicle wins rounds, that simple it's not that deep
chornicle played for 3 teams in his carrer
Gambit: won master (but also it was 1st valorant year of competitve so, you could argue its not that relevant)
m3c: trash team never got even close to winning a trophy
Fnatic: probably the best team of all time, with boaster being one of the best igls, alfa BEING THE BEST OF THE TEAM (not chronicle the "goat")
and then since fnatic is a big org and can afford their members he just stood in the confortable zone
Aspas played for 3 teams
Loud 22: World champion arguably the greatest peak of a team of all time
loud 23: great team that unfortunately never reached it peak potential, with aspas being the main star (and loud is the worst org possible, they manage to ruin their team)
Leviatán: aspas hard carried his team, while being the first time playing in english, that was not natural to him
Mibr: aspas hard carried his team, with a bunch of rookies (and some might even say MIBR without aspas is just bad), verno/art being first time igling with some minor language barriers limiting the team at the first/start second half of the year
In conclusion: Aspas is always peaking, every year, he instantly turns a terrible team in one of the bests in the world (MIBR), while chronicle just kept the same team, same roster, kept in the confort zone and just stood being good. Aspas always left his confort zone and was always the main star, chronicle never left his confort and is not even the best of his own team (alfa exists), if chronicle leaves fnatic and make his new team be the one of the best, then he could be the goat, but for now he won at 1st year of valorant when no one knew what were doing, turned irrelevant for a year, then joined the best long time team ever. aspas never was irrelevant.
"derke was better than aspas" he left fnatic, he is nothing now. we need to see chronicle out of this core to see if he is all of what is said to be.
Conclusion: Aspas is the goat.
the greatest at WHAT though
you people keep saying shit like this
he does nothing special, he never carries, and in losses he rolls over and does nothing
chronicle is greatest of all time at finding a way to win trophies
aspas is the best of all time at Valorant
finding a way to win trophies is just being at the right place at the right time
give fnatic sheydos at lockin and tokyo and they take those trophies home
at finding a way to win trophies
but like...how?
Gamb0t won because nAts went unpunished on lurks for the whole tournament
Alfajer carried Tokyo
what are you crediting Chronicle with other than BEING there?
See this is what I'm talking about
No argument, no credibility
"well his team won twice so he's the GOAT"
braindamage
Also, TenZ and Sacy BOTH have the same amount of trophies and you can give them more weight on their teams while they did it
Copy and pasted from you in #17
chronicle is greatest of all time
What do you think goat stands for goofy
chronicle is greatest of all time at finding a way to win trophies
are your eyes so narrow that you can only finish first part of a sentence?
but TenZ and Sacy have the same amount
so wouldn't TenZ and Sacy be the GOATs too?
We're counting Tier 1 events bucko
I will not be entertaining lock in as a valid discussion point in the GOAT debate or really any debate for that matter
That's not what u'd say if LOUD won lock in lol. Lock in is recognized as a legit tournament like any other
single elim
no qualification
0 matches played in the previous 6 months
if that's a tournament that you'd put up with Champs or Masters, that is your mental shortcoming, not mine
boaster is the best at finding ways to win if thats your criteria, made a GF with that fnatic team, and has anchored fnatic since then
yes, to win trophies boaster
chronicle literally had the least impact on fnatic in their trophies
they blessed his bumass life and CHOSE him to be the backpack, he didnt find it
not saying he wasnt the best backpack of all time, but still least impactful fasho
because hes a good support player, reliable and consistent
boaster is the foundation tho, chronicle is just another piece, no more important than kaajak or alfajer
The greatest at owning you lil bro
the impact he brings to a losing team is what gets them to tournaments. Doesnt matter the team environment he always brings the best in his team. Chron won trophies but with trophy winning rosters mate. He cant bring that impact to a low tier team what aspas does
I mean, I'd say Aspas is by far the best mechanically, but there is much more in a team game other than fragging power. Maybe Chronicle brings to the team something Aspas can't. Also they play different roles so the impact is just different.
Correct answer
chron has the most accolades but aspas is just the better player
I agree but you have to understand that your recency bias (just like everyone elses) is through the roof rn
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EMEA fans are just desperate to pretend they have world class talent
the closest thing they have to claim from their region as a "generational" player, is someone who has been here so long that he managed to get lucky with 2 trohpies (the same amount as TenZ and Sacy btw)
so they just cling onto that so they don't have to admit that the best teams and players of all time have all come from North and South America
I think you need to check his champs stats the entire team was shit for stage 2 and toronto
he either carries the game or fully throws it, and he throws more than he carries
na this analogy is kinda extreme he doesnt truely carry he i very good just this game maybe under the pressure he crumbled which is natural for a player of his level of experience and this is the first time he had a solid team around him if MIBR stick around and keeps all their pieces . I think all of the players will improve including artzin and wud be contenders for americas
bro, nobody really believes that Chronicle comes close to Aspas’ level. That was clear throughout the whole tournament, but in the end the best team wins, and fnatic is better, it is what it is '(
as i said elsewhere, mibr looked really good for a rookie-majority roster and if they keep this form up through next year, they're 100% gonna be champs contenders
not without aspas lmao, and he is going to play for another roster the next year, he wants to play in a pacific team.
Fr, last year he wanted to go to Japan bc of his wife, but bc of bleed he couldnt, so he might be going to japan fr this year
This is such a bs narrative because fucking Boo got put in a team with 4 rookies and made grand finals does that make him goat caliber?
theres different types of rookies man, you cant compare rookie season xenom and rookie season woot and say that they have the same impact in the game man
verno and cortezia are definitely goated, but xenom and artzin arent trophy contenders in my opinion
Nobody would put benjy, patitek or miniboo as trophy contenders on their own either. Im not disagreeing that Aspas is a great player but the whole aspas effect and aspas made mibr narrative is so whack lmao rookies can be great, rookies are usually some of the best players itw.
Boy you are desperate. Aspas ain't touching Chron
Come back when he wins something again and maybe then you can consider him being even close to Chron
thats what i been saying man , you can build a team around aspas and it will be at champs but cannot say the same for cron
I've never seen a Chronicle highlight or clip and thought "Wow this guy is the goat". He just doesn't pass the eye test like Aspas does. Not to mention Chronicle always had better players carrying him.
yeah no chron was the mvp and had goat impact in every single tournament he won definitely, although i remember that chron had alfajer derke leo and boaster in 2/3 of these trophies and in the other one players like aspas were learning the multiplication table still
A MF can break his own kill record OVER and OVER and OVER again on mid to shit tier teams and FNATIC fans will STILL think trophies is what makes 1 singular player better than the other, as if those trophies were won by a single dude
Again, do not engage in these stupid repetitive threats that lead nowhere. If aspas is ur goat fine, Chronicle is ur goat fine. Dont starts debating shih every 2 days.
Do you believe that putting Aspas on the flex role he could have won anything?
you are stupid tho they are pro players u cant have 5 duelist on the team u wont win.
someone is supposed to get kills and someone is supposed to set up the kills simple.
It's the same for f.e football everyone thinks the goats of football are the strikers cause they get goals but every one of these goats thanks their teammates for setting them up
flashy plays always garner more fans.
Each players does what they do best and chron is best at doing what needs to be done to win aspas is best at killing. Both are great players but your argument is like put an f1 racer in a rally race and or the other way around and expect them to perform just as good. Zidane Pirlo Zanetti Kevin de bruyne and many others they were not the best goal scorers (like aspas best killer) yet they are considered one of the greatest players because of their other abilities and ability to win thropies.
No… which is exactly my point idiot… why are we comparing them by the same metrics when they’re two completely different types of player who do two completely different things. Use your head Jesus.
Sure aspas ceiling is higher than chron but still this guy plays like 5-6 agents per torunament and still ends top 5-15 stats wise at the end of almost every international not to mention that teams play to setup aspas ofc because he is good but when u get dropped guns gifted orbs swinged for first droned for and flashed for with an agent that is meant to kill dashes stuns flashes tp's you will be fragging. Aspas is mechanically gifted but i still think there's a fundamental difference in knowing how to get kills and knowing what to do to secure a round and playing multiple agents on the highest level
I think both players are valid for different reasons in the goat debate. And i wouldn't mind to call both of them so far the goats like ronaldo and messi
so far, but the others are also more out of meta than ever regardless im talking about his past
that weird narrative of aspas not performing at lans has officially been put to bed. Chronicle is on mt rushmore but he aint better than peak aspas imo
Chronicle is the most successful/decorated player of all time(so far) but aspas is the best of all time
We all know u'd glaze the shit out of these tourneys if ur team won it. I guess an officially recognized tournament isn't a tournament, keep up the cope
Chron is the goat due to consistency and trophy count.
That being said, aspas is the best player to ever touch this game so far and I would rather have him on my roster than chronicle
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