Now let me start off saying that this is a non biased take and i think the 2 of them are the GOAT duelists. Only Cned is comparable but Derke and Aspas are neck and neck for the GOAT duelist spot. Now in my opinion, Derke wins this argument solely for the facts that 1. He's Raze is infinitely better than Aspas's Raze. 2. He has been doing it for a longer time, is more consistent and has always been the best player on his team before Leo arrived (even Leo vs Derke is 50/50). Before LOCKIN he was statistically top 2 LAN player in the history of Valorant statistically. and while i don't think that changed after LOCKIN, he's still minimum top 3
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Do you even know what a duelist means? A duelist clears space and entries for the team. Good luck doing that with Chamber. Chamber was an overpowered sentinel who was great for holding down sites but taking space with him was very hard.
Just because your favourite pro player started playing Chamber doesn't mean he's a duelist, his utility cannot take space effectively, yes he can take aggressive peeks and duels but that's all, you definitely need a duelist in your team along with a chamber to have some meaningful impact.
"All time". If you say yay has never been good with our chamber you're straight up delusional
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
What aspas was doing while "Derke lost to t0nz"
https://www.vlr.gg/17616/sharks-esports-vs-slick-champions-tour-brazil-stage-2-challengers-finals-ubqf
Wym "barely" top 5 in eu. 1.Derke, 2.Sayf, 3. cNed. He is infact comfortably top 3. Scream, twisten and qw1 are not better than him. Did you see how hard he diffed scream in the second map while missing bunch of close range shorty/classic kills. Also, if you havent watched all the games, he is still stats-wise better while bottling games on omen in lotus.
i though you were talking h2h. but no, you are throwing stats unrelated to the topic.
having more kills overall on the game means nothing on derke x aspas. he farmed on other unrelated to the topic loud players, not on aspas. i appreciate you mentioning that loud lost, because i think it only proves my point. even losing, even having less kills overall, aspas was still superior h2h.
ACS on the tournament again means nothing since they faced different oponentes and fnatic hadn't loose a map before facing loud
still, h2h aspas won. and i think actually he being only +1 point how close they are.
that being said... i don't think stats from one match proves shit, i was just baiting you. so easy to bait emea fans lol.
this whole discussion is idiotic and both of them are the GOATs
No, why people must be bragging about Raze this raze that, what so special abt being good at using Raze ha? If some1 always play jett and be a monster, and thats it. For now Aspas > Derke, Aspas faced so many harder enemies than Derke. I know Derke was a monster in 2021, but after the coming of Aspas, theres no more Derke, Aspas #1 (at least for now), this aspas guy is perfect on everything, game sense, movement, idk, Aspas is a perfect duelist
We should talk about this after this years championship, Aspas and Derke both have been very good this year and i am talking about only this year and Both have amazing team mates to back them up, so its too early to talk about it, as no duelist was able to dominate 2 years straight till now in valorant, like Cned who fell off after champions and this year too he is not up there just yet, and yay too fell off after chamber meta came to end, but its too early to say aspas is #1 duelist of all time or not, if he puts up same performance this year too then he is #1 of all time as no one was able to dominate 2 years in a row
nah bro, its too early to say that, what if Cned suddenly picks up and wins another champion this year, it might not be possible but what if it happens?? with 2 champions he will become #1 ,Until now in Valo no one has ever dominated 2 years in a row consistently and it is too early to say if aspas will do that or not, so far he is showing signs that he will do it and wont be slowing down anytime soon.. but you never know in Valo , anything can happen as devs can buff/nerf any agent at any time....
they're coping, it does matter
but most teams were testing comps and not tryharding like flukenatic
let's remember DRX even dropped fracture, their second best map, to talon, simply bcuz they were testing comps.
if shitmea fans really think flukenatic will be dominant on international stage, sorry, they won't. Actually the fact there's almost no competitiveness for them at shitmea will make them weaker. something like Loud in Copenhagen. They dominated the weak teams in Brazil, and when they arrived on the international stage they had a reality check and got grouped.
My first introduction to Aspas was him on Raze vs OpTic in Masters Reykjavic 2 on Bind in the grand finals where OpTic could not deal with his raze in showers and I was like, this guy is insane. I think Saadhak plays raze over Aspas because of double duelist comp and not because of comfort and therefore we don't get to see much of Aspas Raze but I think Aspas Raze is on par with Derke and his Jett > Derke Jett
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