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#1
PuGGey

How can anyone seriously entertain the idea that T1 NA is gapped by T1 EU lmao. Liquid wouldn’t even be top half in NA LCQ let’s be real. At the very least how do people think EU is a more competitive region than NA. NA’s rankings are always in contest, it’s A tier really big compared to every region. There seems to always be about 5 or 6 A tier NA teams at any given moment since Champs last year basically. Definitely can’t say the same for EU, who have basically only a competitive B tier fighting for rankings, and a A tier filled with about 3 teams max at any given moment

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ValdemieGC
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🤓

#80
wohe
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the real goat of vlr

#93
sentinelmain377
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GUILD FAN
LARGEST W Ive ever seen

#94
BroStop
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holy shit you killed him LMAOOO

#3
Nollihd
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Where na 1st seed master 1 and 2 ? 🤣

#13
PuGGey
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same places as masters 1 and 2 EU first seeds. LCQ and Qualified. wym 💀

#47
ConsistentCycles
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did you notice that both g2 and fnatic actually won games at lan

#4
jimjam789
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such a shit bait, not worth your time everyone just move on

#29
eSBee
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ty for the heads-up

#5
Panic
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EDG > NA.

#65
AirbusLover
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Agreed

#6
Mortadelo
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xD

Dude forgot about XSET and the Guard pretty quick

#19
Pengu12
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A lot more of ppl hate on TGRD for no reason they had a rlly hard bracket, they faced the teams that played 1st and 4th, they def would have beat liquid and G2

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trola
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i think its fair for people to criticize them because they were 1st seed from NA and Optic was their second seed and they lost to PRX 0-2. Its make sense for people to think they should do better especially rn they fell off so hard

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PuGGey
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ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?

#14
babysasuke
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EMEA rats exposed after 1 tournament, this is the way

#28
BananaBread
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They did bc they dropped bonecold and zeek which were stupid moves

#89
alexxx
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acend still would 26-0 sentinels

#100
pokez
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sentinels fell of harder

#8
akproxx1
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Last time i check best na team by far lose to top 5 eu xD

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Pengu12
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NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea

#26
NG1nS
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wut? get of that shit, it's gonna ruin ur brain

#98
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hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha what are you smoking? optic won only 1 map against EMEA teams let that sink in.

#9
jackb2016
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Brain check? Please?

#10
GENZAMAN1235
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Thanks for you're 100iq opinion but you might need to see this and go to bed.
https://www.vlr.gg/51274/team-liquid-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-winners-b

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AllMight
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Worst bait ever
Liquid won against sentineLs
We have more champions titles
Other regions literally come to our region to bootcamp to keep up with the game since their inferior

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babysasuke
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NA is where strats are made

SHITMEA is where strats are countered

No shit they do the work in NA where there are actual players, then take strats to SHITMEA to see how it measures up against 5 silver “tier 1 EMEA players” sitting in corners and ratting off angles zzzzzzzz

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Glycoroldas
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So what you are saying is that NA strats are so shite, that they are not up to the task to win against ratty playstyles, judging by the current head to head score? damn that's kinda sad for you guys, all this effort just to get fucked by an EU noob camping a ratty angle, sucks to suck, git good I guess

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babysasuke
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You’re either twisting my words or whole ass braindead

SHITMEA plays the game wrong, think it’s CS or sitting in a corner simulator so strats that work against teams that WANT to play the game don’t work the same against teams that sit and do nothing and wait

Keep coping SHITMEA Stan, never winning another tournament

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Glycoroldas
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damn, this game must suck ass if all these elaborate big brain NA tactics get easily countered by a mere corner sitting. It's as if these EU players have figured out the superior way of how this game is supposed to be played judging by the current head to head score

#35
babysasuke
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Not reading all that keep crying and cope more

#36
Glycoroldas
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It's not that deep, no need to take it personally

#37
sentinelmain377
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Gly such a W. This baby guy is crying too much. Can't accept emea>na

#40
nutab1e
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and at LANs when there are games everyday they don't have time to counter and they just crumble. The classic SHITMEA LAN experience

#41
ezypoe
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stfu clown

#43
nutab1e
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y-yes sir 😳

#16
ezypoe
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Dogshit region would never win a thing without an advantages, reminds me of how little val community were back then when SEN win their first Iceland, and how pathetic FLOptic run was.

#17
babysasuke
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Don’t cry brother it’s just a game

#18
ezypoe
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Keep crying about it u slag.

#20
stewie2k
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EU flag.
Ignored

#25
ezypoe
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lad with washed player name talking

#87
LegacyKnight
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exactly. shut up ezypoe

#22
xiphon
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I feel like this conversation is pointless but i would love to see a NA x EU rivals group stage (never gonna happen) but it would be very fun to see how non-lan qualifiers do against eachother, or smthn like a international LCQ (also not gonna happen) just would be fun to watch.

#24
Zyius
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Its takes balls to post this during EU hours

#42
PuGGey
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nothing else to do. sitting here in a office chair getting paid 16$ a hour to supervise a triathlon practice team swim, and watch this boring ass NAVI vs G2 game. might as well spread some truth

#44
babysasuke
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Too based

#79
X_ae_A_12
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Very based.

#27
Elcatsu
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mocking

#31
Pengu12
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NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea

#48
ConsistentCycles
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optic would be #2 emea easily. the problem is all the other na teams cant do shit

#50
ezypoe
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#2? Dogshit team with fluke run is #10 max in EMEA.

#57
ConsistentCycles
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my bad sorry

#32
craxfps
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t3 eu = t1 na

#38
sentinelmain377
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Fattest W

#39
ezypoe
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.

#45
jonazzy
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🤓ackshually let me try to bait them really quick

#49
patuj
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The fact that NA always has 6+ teams fighting for 2nd spot just shows inconsistency. While EMEA always has the same strong teams fighting who are actually good and consistent. OpTic feels like miles away better than rest of NA while could any day lose to top 3 EMEA. That doesn't show me competitiveness. Also half of the teams you think are "A tier" are actually B tier.

#51
babysasuke
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Braindamaged take

  1. XSET beat Optic
  2. 2-6 NA teams clear FlukePX and Lnatic
  3. Top 20 NA clears the rest of SHITMEA
#55
patuj
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If OpTic played like they did vs XSET they wouldn't have won single game in Masters 2

#52
Ricegum
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It would be boring if the same teams won everytime, I think it actually shows the region is super competive, atleast among themselves. To each their own I guess.

#54
PuGGey
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this is what i mostly wanted to get at with this post

#56
patuj
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Yeah put theres difference between being competitive regionally and being competitive internationally. Tier 2 teams are competitive against each other but that doesn't mean they will be competitive against tier 1 teams.

#64
babysasuke
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Yeah like how Navi OG Fokus TL G2 are competitive in EMEA but would get rolled in APAC challengers

#53
a2_lex
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FPX solos NA bozo cry about it

#58
PigeX
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I mean, while EU used to have fewer top-tier teams than NA, looking at this LCQ, I think it has caught up. Like, I think any team in NA LCQ and EU LCQ could potentially achieve something at champs. However based purely on the peak of teams in both regions I think EU is slightly ahead, as only Optic has really been competitive on international LAN events lately (last masters).

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PuGGey
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holy shit. an actual conversation.

internationals is a whole different conversation, im more talking regions in the long run.

NA is hyper competitive rn, personally I dont see the same in EU, its pretty stagnant to me but to each their own. If you WERE to combine the current LCQ's i think more NA teams than not would fall between Liquid and the top. comparing #1's in the regions ofc comes down at the internationals, but personally I think internationals in the scene's current state dont really matter for longer than 2 months and arnt worth more than opinion pieces. esp cuz eventually our CCP overlords will eventually take over the scene in rankings and finance; and teams/spectators will look back at these games in 5 years and wonder how players this shit won an international

#73
PigeX
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Fair take. I still think NA and EMEA as regions are really close. But you are right, the scene is changing a bit too quickly imo.

#78
PuGGey
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oh no i agree. this "gap" that some people thinks exists just dosnt. they are close, its all very comparable

#59
BuiltDifferent
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EU > NA every fps games

#60
trola
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Sen fans talking KEKW

#61
PigExe
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This is a hot take but
NA has way more talent then EU, not better teams
NA talent:
TenZ
Yay
cryocells
bang
trent
bdog
Babybay
etc
(i only listed one star from each tem)
EU talent:
nukkye
cNED(fell off hard)
Scream
nats
SHao
Boaster

In this you can see that NA has a lot more talent and better talent than EU
You can't just call SEN's championship nothing, and then say yeah Optic's run is pathetic, while going on and saying yeah our championships matter way more because we think it is not pathetic.
When you look at it, NA and EU aren't too far apart, considering NA gets less spots at each LAN, have 2 championships compared to EU's 3 isn't too bad.

#62
PigeX
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Why u steal my name? :(

#68
PigExe
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had my ign for around 7 years now lmao
my friend who i lost to suicide gave me the name

#74
PigeX
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Why does every comment that I write, that tries to be slightly entertaining end up like this. I am very sorry man. I didn't know.

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Glycoroldas
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I unironically agree with your take. While NA (arguably) has a deeper individual talent pool, EMEA is able to compensate through better teamwork and tactics that most likely can be attributed to superior practice methodology.

optic were on track in terms of having EMEA levels of improvements that can be achieved through practice, but most likely got capped by lack of competitiveness in NA T2 scene. Therefore, partially explaining why they fell off in the last tournament.

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no_noise_979
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EU talent:
nukkye
cned
scream
nats
shao
suygetsu
leo
hoody
trexx
sayf
alfajer
derke
chronicle
cloud

#83
PigExe
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NA: dapr, sick, sayaplayer, Asuna, zellsis, shaz, shroud, neT, vanity, curry, Xeppa, leaf, FNS, crashies, marved, zekken, dephh, bcJ, supamen, etc
EU is not gonna beat out NA in talent, i didn't rename anyone from my other list

#84
no_noise_979
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we could do this forever, a lot of those are really arguable so all im gonna say is i disagree!

#85
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN
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Half of the players you listed are literally dogshit 💀💀💀

#86
PigExe
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which one is worse than emea's talent pool?
TenZ - Still cracked as ever(team chemistry is an issue)
Asuna- carried his team past a very competive LCQ with almost no blowouts.
zellsis- right there with tenZ
FNS- still one of the best igls

GO ahead tell me what players are dogshit
(don't put ur own user we already know ur dogshit)

#91
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN
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Not those, you sneaked in shroud, net, curry, dephh, bcj, vanity, shaz and dapr as "talent" like we wouldnt notice 💀💀💀

NA delusion at its peak

#92
PigExe
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dapr is still one of the best clutch players, i'll still take him over almost any of the ones in ur list, shaz is still a great igl, maybe have fallen off but cned fell off harder, tell me shroud's performance wasn't impressive for someone that has been back after 5 years of no competeing and minimal prep. neT is still one of the reasons why Guard made it to finals, some of this stuff don't show up in stats, if you would actually watch the games you'd realize Na has way more talent than EU, just not good team chemistry.

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DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN
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Holy the copium is unreal 😹😹😹

Also what list, I didnt make any lists

#102
PigExe
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what am i even coping for? champions hasn't even started.
sorry not ur list no noise's list.
More people living in NA just means more talent, you cannot deny facts.
let's say 0.01% of people is talent.
NA has around 130 million more people living there, therfore there will always be more talent. EU fans can be biased and think their players and teams are better, but NA will ALWAYS have more and better players than EU. and EU will have to try to work toghter as a team to beat that out

#103
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN
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Bro what

Since when does NA have a bigger population than EU 💀💀💀

Wtf am I even reading 💀💀💀

#90
WinterZ20
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Aint no way you put curry, shahzam, neT and dephh on this list

#67
DannyBananas
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JUST TO BE CLEAR SINCE THE US IS IN NA WE ARE FAR BETTER BACK TO BACK WORLD WAR CHAMPS

#95
PigExe
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u can say NA got better aim

#70
Daniveus
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worst EMEA LCQ team > best NA LCQ team

#71
KyLZi
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Caveman grunts and noises fallowed by "NA > EU" and ended with a bat chest.

#72
TheHowling02
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So i dont want to spread hate I honestly think that both regions are great and im kinda tired of all the toxic children. Here are some stats which hopefully will calm both sides down (probably not though).
Here are all the NA v EMEA matches in officials i could find (might have missed some)
SEN 2-0 FNC
V1 2-1 TL
FNC 2-0 V1
SEN 3-0 FNC
100T 2-1 GMB
SEN 2-1 G2
G2 2-0 SEN
100T 2-1 ACE
GMB 3-0 NV
ACE 2-0 NV
TL 2-1 SEN
FNC 2-1 C9
TL 2-0 C9
GLD 2-0 OPTC
FPX 3-1 OPTC

NA has 6 wins and EMEA has 9. We can see that at the beginning of valo NA seemed very good but EMEA definitly catched up. EMEA has 3 international wins and NA has 2 so its clear that EMEA is a better region but both are at least in the top 3 regions when it come to valorant in my opinion.

#76
PigeX
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These are actual facts. That's ballsy.

#107
TheHowling02
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Yeah ik pretty rare for vlr.gg

#82
xB3NW0
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If we're talking modern day you should care more about the latest results. I don't think you can compare 2021 V1/SEN to 2022 FPX right? W take btw, the only person in this mf thread who doesnt just stop EMEA BEST or NA BEST

#106
TheHowling02
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Yeah for sure. When looking at recent results it is clear which one is the better region. I forgot to add that EMEA has had at least 2 teams in the top 4 in four international competitions out of 5 so thats impressive af as well. NA has had 2 in the top four only once if im not mistaken.

#75
Dentondabest
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this man genius fr fr

#77
yungbasel
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lmao

#88
SilentNight
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The only good team on NA is Optic. 100T has yet to prove it

#97
wellinever
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best team in NA is optic.
Optic has yet to beat a team from the EMEA region.

Essentially what you have done in compare La Liga to the premier league.

La Liga has 3 teams of note (Barce, Madrid, and Athletico)
Premier League other than City and Liverpool, all of the teams in the league on any given day can beat anyone.

However, Real Madrid for example have won the biggest prize more times in the past 10 years than anyone else.

Just because youre region has more depth, doesnt make the teams better on the big stage.

#99
BackoxyXD
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who cars?

#101
Quagmire
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PuGGey
More like PuSSey

#108
deathlyclaws
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bad baiter alert

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