is sayonara even good

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themaniel

never seen him play, seen a ton of glaze though, is he better than kaajak?

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Divine_Thunder

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oh boy! even if u are glazing sayonara, he would still be underrated

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The stats speaks, may or may not be better than kaajal since kaajak was frying t2 and is still frying Y1 but for sayonara there is only data on t2

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he played a few games in japan with FNATIC, he wasnt hard carryinng but was meh altough he had 1 stinker which is very uncharactaristic of him
https://www.vlr.gg/424022/fnatic-vs-g2-esports-red-bull-home-ground-5-r3

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why are we only taking a look at the bad games and not at his great performances at the very same period on the very same team? And the kid is 16 and had a lot of nerves at that moment, it was clear if you watched the games. Exact same thing happened to Kajaak and now everyone is glazing him. It just makes no sense to doubt every single analyst/scouter/coach in the scene who says he is the biggest propect in the region when we look at how good the rookies are in general

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KINGMANNY42

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he said he only has data on tier2 abnd in proved him wrong

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Uncleben

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Jeezus Christ leaf doesn’t get nearly enough glaze

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sayonara is never good😔

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laeDLaer

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hes better than any rookie we have ever seen

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No.

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Katharize

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hes good but people expect too much, like he won't be second coming of donk

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hes amazing. he hasnt even had the chance to play in a good team yet

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gamergirl

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hes literally played in very good teams lol

if anything kaajak was the one stuck on shit teams for a long time

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patuj

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You mean Apeks? They won Ascension and were good for tier 2 due to experience. Don't know the teams he played before that.

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apeks was the first good team kaajak has played on,

kpi and dvm are much better than a lot of t2 teams,

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kfan4238173

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but b0sk

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gamergirl

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b0sk carried vs barca, sayonara sold two maps

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b0sk

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hard to compare because sayonara has only been on mid tier 2 teams while kaajak was on apeks and then got onto fnatic so his teammates have always been way better. sayonara deserves a top level team for sure though hes always been a hard carry

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gamergirl

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Kpi and dvm were in contention to win ascension, kaajak is 21 and has spent years in t3/2 on shit teams, he got one good team and brokeout

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it aint like he broke out after he won ascension or anything ?

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unfake better than him

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mrbloombloom

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sayo will literally be on your team next year why are you harsh on him?

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delighted

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VIT's coaching staff doesn't do unfake justice

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mrbloombloom

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sure but Sayo is way better than unfake and he's getting on the team fs

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delighted

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yeah, honestly unfake is being done dirty in the long run

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Congo1

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Sayonara has had the best T2 career in EMEA history by far. Nobody is close.

He was the best player in every competition he has ever played in since he came straight out of ranked at 16.

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gamergirl

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he wasnt the best player in ascension or split 1 spain, and honestly sevire and starxo are just as good in france

bit hard glaze here, hes really not that much better than kaajak keiko or lar0k for example, its just that hes never faced actual competition in tier 2

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mrbloombloom

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isn't being Kajaak tier fucking insane? Same for Keiko and lar0k (lar0k isn't as good btw as much as it pains me) why are you acting like it's something normal?

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im referring to him saying t2 career, kaajak has outperformed his tier 2 career in tier 1

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angel98

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Kaajak is a top 3 player in the world in his rookie season, what even are you saying?

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Congo1

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And kaajak reached that level at 18-19. Sayonara was that from 16 on.

Guy has the potential to be the best. And as you said even if he just matches Kaajak that would be massive.

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delighted

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yeah but I feel like FNC having a proper approach on how to guide a rookie is better than any other team, and that seemed to help kaajak massively

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angel98

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For sure but Kaajak might also be the best mechanically gifted player in the world

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delighted

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I mean, it definitely doesn't discredit FNC's incredible coaching staff and scouting (ignore the Elmapuddy bullshit)

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angel98

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Yeah, imagine if he stayed in FNC, their linup with him instead of Crashies would go crazy (even tho Crashies is playing really good)

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greed of biblical levels + crashies is overrated af

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angel98

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Exactly, if he reaches Kaajak level he would be starting in any team in the world. VIT might go crazy next year

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Kalina

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He looked really insane, like unbelievably good in T2. Had a few game stint on Fnatic where he looked average to slightly above average.

Clearly has the potential, but not sure if the mental is all there yet.

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seems like a weird ego guy from his streams, cant even watch it without cringing every other round tbh, but i hope its just a ranked thing and hes different in an actual team environment

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mrbloombloom

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he's good friend with boaster afaik so he must be nice

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patuj

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Well Kajaak popped off in tier 1 so he is definitely better right now. You never know how players end up performing in tier 2. But for me closest comparison to Sayonara is likely Wo0t. Pretty much young player who can flex and has consistently performed in tier 2 and shown bunch of potential. Type of player most tier 1 teams have interest on.

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jst keep him off sova https://www.vlr.gg/424022/fnatic-vs-g2-esports-red-bull-home-ground-5-r3/?game=193729&tab=overview

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Jayde

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Hes one of the best in t2 rn, sad that he had such a bad event at the red bull one

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delighted

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he's one of the best T2 EMEA players

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wait i have a question, vitality basically made him sign a contract that he has to join VIT once hes 18 right? or am i wrong? and if im right then why isnt any NA teams doing that with canezerra? unless im just wrong about the vit contract thing

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Pusakabo0

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sayonara

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https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VIT%20Sayonara%23gud/overview?platform=pc&playlist=competitive&season=ac12e9b3-47e6-9599-8fa1-0bb473e5efc7

hes the goat