Wo0t is underrated imo

It’s also because sen fell off after he left (stage 1 and stage 2 don’t exist)

I didn’t reply to you brotha that’s ok

No one’s saying meteor didn’t have impact during Bangkok and Shanghai, I personally believe that Izu and texture were more impactful.
Sacy was good in 24, but he was still the overall worst on sen. He wasn’t really a fragger, and had some questionable deaths/moments throughout the year, but still brought a lot of impact with experience/midrounding.

Meteor didn’t exactly show up and hard carry when t1 slumped, whereas even when loud slumped less was still carrying them. Meteor plays well when his team plays well and poorly if they do, he’s just had better teams than less has since the loud fall off.
Sacy as well didn’t exactly have a great year in 2023 when sen were shit. My point being is that sacy and meteor aren’t better than less, they’ve just had better teams, which is why trophies only matter so much.

Nah they absolutely do matter, otherwise bias and “aura” takes over
Stats favor passive players, eye test favors aggro players

You need to take both into account

A player getting an ace in one round and no kills for 3 rounds after is extremely memorable and looks amazing in the eye test, but a player that gets 1 kill 4 rounds in a row is probably way more impactful but not something that is noticeable on the eye test

South Korean fan talking about teams ruined by internal issues when t1 exists 🥀 🥀

Yay got offers after dsg, I guarantee you multiple orgs would be willing take him (as long as they are down for English speaking roster)

Winning trophies is a team game though, you can’t really give the player a huge amount of credit unless they absolutely popped off (which meteor definitely did at Shanghai)
Meteor was not t1’s best player when they won, but he was maybe geng when they won (I personally had texture higher). However, if you also look at his entire career outside of the those two tournaments I don’t think he’s as good as less or Alfajer for an example.

Sacy was insane on loud but he was arguably sen’s worst player in 2024 and mid in 2023.

I think neither is top 5 if you look at them from a purely individual standpoint actually
If derke or Aspas had never won anything I would still have them top 10 but if sacy and meteor hadn’t won twice most people wouldn’t have them even top 20.

High CP count is definitely extremely concerning

Nah because chichoo was a massive part of the reason why edg won upper finals and he played phenomenally in both groups and playoffs. Kk was the hard carry during finals but the TOURNAMENT mvp was definitely chichoo, who also wasn’t abusing prime neon. Also champs kk didn’t really feel like that guy until grand finals if you actually watched the entire tournament.

Played really well at Tokyo, lock-in, and Berlin, but I think nats had slightly more impact and Berlin, and Leo and Alfa are better at Tokyo. He still played phenomenally at both and was individually the best player itw at champs 21 the same way Alfajer was at Toronto

Disagree because tenz made no lans in 2023 and 2022 and didn’t even play for portions of 23 and those were some of my favorite years to watch vct

I don’t think so, he had some inconsistency and wasn’t really that much better than izu in finals
Izu also flexed to many different roles and was still the more consistent of the two, feel like meteor gets too much credit because people know he’s a good player while Izu is less well known (kinda of like the “aspas effect”)

I predict people will disagree with champs 22, champs 21, Shanghai, and champs 24 😂

A lot of events didn’t have official mvps so this is my list. I’m not going off only stats btw, kinda mixture of stats and impact

Reykjavik 1 - Tenz
Berlin - Nats
Champs 21 - Cned (most consistent on rewatch compared to zeek)
Reykjavik 2 - Yay
Copenhagen - Shao
Champs 22 - Less (surprisingly, looking back I think he was more consistent than sacy and pancada even though they had better stats)
Lockin - Leo
Tokyo - Alfajer
Champs 23 - Demon1
Madrid - Zekken
Shanghai - texture (better playoffs than meteor imo)
Champs 24 - chichoo (better overall other than finals)
Bangkok - Izu (most consistent and didn’t shit the bed in finals like buzz)
Toronto - Forsaken

Sato can play neon and yoru, doesn’t make sense to take him off duelist

Whose the Igl

Tdawg about to fuck up his satchels and then mald and beat ions ass to get his anger out

Whose playing raze dawg, caneszerra and demon1?

I agree with this
I think generally letting him bait is better but sage on icebox is so annoying to play so on that map he should be duelist

Leaf will fall off if he plays sentinel on another roster imo and I’m a big leaf fan
Duelist I agree with you

I generally think European regional leagues are worse than NA because the talent is more spread out due to the number of leagues if you get my meaning
NA is kinda of the equivalent of 2 EU leagues combined

My next prediction for fall offs is if anyone on g2 tries to leave the roster and play for another team (specifically Trent and leaf, their best performers)

It’s so funny that after watching the tenz falloff in 2021, I was so absolutely confident that yay wouldn’t fall off in 2022, and after watching his fall off in 2023 I was so absolutely confident that Aspas would never fall off

On the other hand I was absolutely confident that demon1 would fall off and I was proven right

Spikezin is a flex duelist though, if you make him play more passive initiators as well, your not really getting the most out of him
And Robbie is a worse initiator for sure than vora but he’s igl so you can’t replace him

Never really thought rrq winning was unexpected
I’ve been high on them ever since they picked up jemkin, honestly surprised it took them so long to be contenders

I would also like to see him off initiator potentially, but I think the one role he prolly won’t play well on is duelist

EG as flash init maybe? Could replace brawk as well if nrg struggle and brawk doesn’t do well. Could go to Leviatan if they struggle and com struggles too, could go to loud to replace cauanzin if they want to continue English speaking roster.

He’s the biggest baiter in tier1 (not an insult, he will admit it)
He’s a player that makes plays when you give him space, not a player who makes space

He’s such an underrated player, why don’t people bring him up when talking about t2 talent? Initiator isn’t a role Americas is strong at either, I hope he joins a tier 1 team next year. EG (with Derrek as sentinel maybe?) would be a cool move. C9 to replace Xeppaa or Mitch might be good as well.

I have a hot take that less actually has fell off and gotten worse and it’s not just the system, but the system definitely doesn’t help
We will see when he leaves vit

Saw a video of Aspas constantly laughing and smiling on loud and now he’s always so sad and serious 😭
Lost his whimsy

He should have never left LOUD, less and Aspas would be what people say about derke and Alfajer now

I hope Aspas doesn’t give a shit but after seeing what happened to yay the pressure has to be immense
It’s not just hate from fans but also pressure from himself, he likely expects to always play well himself

Yes, and and also how much systems make players
Outside of eg 23, only jawg has looked good. Outside of t1, only meteor and buzz have looked good.

Fnc with Leo, derke, Chron, and Alfa struggled more than when they replaced Leo with hiro. Sentinels with tenz, Zekken, grand finals mvp sacy, and champs mvp pancada struggled.

EG 23 and t1 25 rosters are some good examples of this, on the flip side fnatic 2024 (with Leo) and sen 2023 are some examples too.

I agree people overestimate his impact, but it doesn’t justify invalid criticism/hate either. The people that glaze him that much usually are mibr fans/Brazilian fans, while people hating on him are nearly everyone else. I understand the point ur making is that the same way popular players get unjustified credit, they also get unjustified hate but I still don’t think it’s acceptable.
I personally never felt like Aspas carried mibr (with Verno) and CERTAINLY not loud (despite that being a real narrative at points during 22/23)

Thanks to years of y0y, I actually feel hella bad for Aspas on the other hand 😂

People still shat on him when mibr was doing good, saying he was baiting or statspas, and verno and artzin (for calling) also got a lot of credit. The only time people were saying he was carrying was on lev (a bit unjustified) and mibr pre verno, where he kinda was hard carrying

It’s absolutely hilarious how much shit Alfajer got in stage 1
People were calling for him to be dropped every time fnc lost, Toronto happened and he’s now the best player in the world. He struggled first 2 matches at Toronto too
If he was on a shit team, he never would have gotten that opportunity to redeem himself

I understand that, but it’s still really sad to see it happen to Aspas too (as a fan of yay)

It’s the same shit that happens with yay and tenz too
People have genuine hatred over fucking professional video game players it’s insane
I swear the worst thing you can do in this game is be actually good, it’s all the players one step below GOAT level that get all the love because they are “underrated”

It should fall on him and everyone else on mibr
But people are shitting on him specifically
If the team is struggling so badly and everyone is taking solo fights, Aspas is just stuck on eco weapons or rotating or with no util half the time, peeking into a stack
Not exactly the recipe for a good performance

Yet another player like Ethan who because he is smart and understands the micro of the game or has good game sense they can call and gets a rude awakening

Appreciate our non fragging IGLs in big 2025

Was lev really dysfunctional? Com has great supportive utility, Mazino is a genuinely incredible flex player when he has a good team, king’s calling is mid but his fragging was great last year too. Tex struggled but was able to adapt to sentinel role well too.
I agree Aspas is falling off a bit but genuinely if you put any other player here and I think there struggling too.

It’s just annoying when you try to explain how team matters and people bring up how chronicle, derke, or Alfajer never fell off when they have always historically been in good teams. Aspas form now is similar to chrons form in 2022 for an example.

It’s fucking insane how every single time he plays people just spam statspas, call him a horrible player, etc etc
There’s pro players who are shit people (or have been accused of it) in real life that get no where near that amount of hate

If it wasn’t dead it definitely is now
They were always quiet even when they were good, you can tell the comms are almost silent
Wouldn’t be surprised if Verno just gets benched midway through split of his own accord

Someone definitely about to say derke never fell off, but derke looked worse than Aspas in stage 1 because vit was worse than mibr. Now mibr is definitely worse than vit and derke is outperforming Aspas. It’s a team game