never seen him play, seen a ton of glaze though, is he better than kaajak?
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is sayonara even good
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kfan4238173 [#8]hes amazing. he hasnt even had the chance to play in a good team yet
hes literally played in very good teams lol
if anything kaajak was the one stuck on shit teams for a long time
ConsistentCycles [#9]hard to compare because sayonara has only been on mid tier 2 teams while kaajak was on apeks and then got onto fnatic so his teammates have always been way better. sayonara deserves a top level team for sure though hes always been a hard carry
Kpi and dvm were in contention to win ascension, kaajak is 21 and has spent years in t3/2 on shit teams, he got one good team and brokeout
IGotAnswers [#3]The stats speaks, may or may not be better than kaajal since kaajak was frying t2 and is still frying Y1 but for sayonara there is only data on t2
he played a few games in japan with FNATIC, he wasnt hard carryinng but was meh altough he had 1 stinker which is very uncharactaristic of him
https://www.vlr.gg/424022/fnatic-vs-g2-esports-red-bull-home-ground-5-r3
Congo1 [#13]Sayonara has had the best T2 career in EMEA history by far. Nobody is close.
He was the best player in every competition he has ever played in since he came straight out of ranked at 16.
he wasnt the best player in ascension or split 1 spain, and honestly sevire and starxo are just as good in france
bit hard glaze here, hes really not that much better than kaajak keiko or lar0k for example, its just that hes never faced actual competition in tier 2
gamergirl [#10]hes literally played in very good teams lol
if anything kaajak was the one stuck on shit teams for a long time
You mean Apeks? They won Ascension and were good for tier 2 due to experience. Don't know the teams he played before that.
KINGMANNY42 [#15]he played a few games in japan with FNATIC, he wasnt hard carryinng but was meh altough he had 1 stinker which is very uncharactaristic of him
https://www.vlr.gg/424022/fnatic-vs-g2-esports-red-bull-home-ground-5-r3
why are we only taking a look at the bad games and not at his great performances at the very same period on the very same team? And the kid is 16 and had a lot of nerves at that moment, it was clear if you watched the games. Exact same thing happened to Kajaak and now everyone is glazing him. It just makes no sense to doubt every single analyst/scouter/coach in the scene who says he is the biggest propect in the region when we look at how good the rookies are in general
Kalina [#14]He looked really insane, like unbelievably good in T2. Had a few game stint on Fnatic where he looked average to slightly above average.
Clearly has the potential, but not sure if the mental is all there yet.
seems like a weird ego guy from his streams, cant even watch it without cringing every other round tbh, but i hope its just a ranked thing and hes different in an actual team environment
Well Kajaak popped off in tier 1 so he is definitely better right now. You never know how players end up performing in tier 2. But for me closest comparison to Sayonara is likely Wo0t. Pretty much young player who can flex and has consistently performed in tier 2 and shown bunch of potential. Type of player most tier 1 teams have interest on.
fictional [#12]unfake better than him
sayo will literally be on your team next year why are you harsh on him?
gamergirl [#16]he wasnt the best player in ascension or split 1 spain, and honestly sevire and starxo are just as good in france
bit hard glaze here, hes really not that much better than kaajak keiko or lar0k for example, its just that hes never faced actual competition in tier 2
isn't being Kajaak tier fucking insane? Same for Keiko and lar0k (lar0k isn't as good btw as much as it pains me) why are you acting like it's something normal?
u [#19]seems like a weird ego guy from his streams, cant even watch it without cringing every other round tbh, but i hope its just a ranked thing and hes different in an actual team environment
he's good friend with boaster afaik so he must be nice
mrbloombloom [#22]isn't being Kajaak tier fucking insane? Same for Keiko and lar0k (lar0k isn't as good btw as much as it pains me) why are you acting like it's something normal?
im referring to him saying t2 career, kaajak has outperformed his tier 2 career in tier 1
patuj [#17]You mean Apeks? They won Ascension and were good for tier 2 due to experience. Don't know the teams he played before that.
apeks was the first good team kaajak has played on,
kpi and dvm are much better than a lot of t2 teams,
mrbloombloom [#18]why are we only taking a look at the bad games and not at his great performances at the very same period on the very same team? And the kid is 16 and had a lot of nerves at that moment, it was clear if you watched the games. Exact same thing happened to Kajaak and now everyone is glazing him. It just makes no sense to doubt every single analyst/scouter/coach in the scene who says he is the biggest propect in the region when we look at how good the rookies are in general
he said he only has data on tier2 abnd in proved him wrong
gamergirl [#10]hes literally played in very good teams lol
if anything kaajak was the one stuck on shit teams for a long time
but b0sk
KINGMANNY42 [#15]he played a few games in japan with FNATIC, he wasnt hard carryinng but was meh altough he had 1 stinker which is very uncharactaristic of him
https://www.vlr.gg/424022/fnatic-vs-g2-esports-red-bull-home-ground-5-r3
Jeezus Christ leaf doesn’t get nearly enough glaze
gamergirl [#16]he wasnt the best player in ascension or split 1 spain, and honestly sevire and starxo are just as good in france
bit hard glaze here, hes really not that much better than kaajak keiko or lar0k for example, its just that hes never faced actual competition in tier 2
Kaajak is a top 3 player in the world in his rookie season, what even are you saying?
angel98 [#31]Kaajak is a top 3 player in the world in his rookie season, what even are you saying?
And kaajak reached that level at 18-19. Sayonara was that from 16 on.
Guy has the potential to be the best. And as you said even if he just matches Kaajak that would be massive.
gamergirl [#11]Kpi and dvm were in contention to win ascension, kaajak is 21 and has spent years in t3/2 on shit teams, he got one good team and brokeout
it aint like he broke out after he won ascension or anything ?
Congo1 [#33]And kaajak reached that level at 18-19. Sayonara was that from 16 on.
Guy has the potential to be the best. And as you said even if he just matches Kaajak that would be massive.
yeah but I feel like FNC having a proper approach on how to guide a rookie is better than any other team, and that seemed to help kaajak massively
mrbloombloom [#21]sayo will literally be on your team next year why are you harsh on him?
VIT's coaching staff doesn't do unfake justice
delighted [#37]VIT's coaching staff doesn't do unfake justice
sure but Sayo is way better than unfake and he's getting on the team fs
mrbloombloom [#38]sure but Sayo is way better than unfake and he's getting on the team fs
yeah, honestly unfake is being done dirty in the long run
delighted [#36]yeah but I feel like FNC having a proper approach on how to guide a rookie is better than any other team, and that seemed to help kaajak massively
For sure but Kaajak might also be the best mechanically gifted player in the world
angel98 [#40]For sure but Kaajak might also be the best mechanically gifted player in the world
I mean, it definitely doesn't discredit FNC's incredible coaching staff and scouting (ignore the Elmapuddy bullshit)
Congo1 [#33]And kaajak reached that level at 18-19. Sayonara was that from 16 on.
Guy has the potential to be the best. And as you said even if he just matches Kaajak that would be massive.
Exactly, if he reaches Kaajak level he would be starting in any team in the world. VIT might go crazy next year
gamergirl [#10]hes literally played in very good teams lol
if anything kaajak was the one stuck on shit teams for a long time
b0sk
delighted [#41]I mean, it definitely doesn't discredit FNC's incredible coaching staff and scouting (ignore the Elmapuddy bullshit)
Yeah, imagine if he stayed in FNC, their linup with him instead of Crashies would go crazy (even tho Crashies is playing really good)
angel98 [#46]Yeah, imagine if he stayed in FNC, their linup with him instead of Crashies would go crazy (even tho Crashies is playing really good)
greed of biblical levels + crashies is overrated af
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