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VALORANT World Cup Simulation

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cloudberry

This is a project I've been working on for a while, and with the prerequisite stuff for it being wrapped up, I feel like now's a pretty good time to share what I've got.

There's been a ton of conversation over the past couple years about what a potential VALORANT world cup could look like, especially with EWC around the corner (I even made a thread about the idea myself back in October). But who would actually win a hypothetical tournament?

To find the answer to this question, I've created 32 teams (with help from many of the active users of VLR, in two different Discord servers) that I feel best represent their nations at this tournament. The rules for these teams are simple:

  1. The roles must make sense (every team has at least 1 player for each role, plus an igl)
  2. All players should be participants of either tier 1 or tier 2 (no retired players, but it's fine if they're a sub or something like that)
  3. All players must use that country's flag on VLR (e.g. I can't use jawgemo for Cambodia, nor ardiis for the UK... I will allow international flags to play for their previously used flag, though, such as SUYGETSU)
  4. Maximum 3 players who currently play for the same org can be on the same team (e.g. I can't simply use EDG for China... nor can I use DRX for Korea Republic)

With that out of the way, here are the teams I've created (igls are noted with asterisks):

🇦🇷 Dantedeu5, nzr, rubkkoide, Cebando, Saadhak*
🇦🇺 SWERL, Maple, pl1xx, Minimise, Autumn*
🇧🇾 SimonD4rk, zeddy*, 7ssk7, Winteryrook, diseased
🇧🇷 aspas, cauanzin, artziN*, pANcada, Less
🇨🇦 mada, eeiu, TenZ, Zander*, JonahP
🇨🇳 ZmjjKK, Kai, slowly*, Smoggy, CHICHOO
🇨🇱 keznit, suther, Mazino, kiNgg*, Shyy
🇨🇿 marteen, Ambi, MAGNUM, Jesse, Minny*
🇫🇷 TakaS, nataNk, CyvOph, sh1n, K4DAVRA*
🇫🇮 Derke, Famsii, H1ber, Jamppi*, hoody
🇩🇪 Click, tex, xanarchy, Felix*, al0rante
🇭🇰 riyabtw, coconut, SiuFatBB*, YOU, heybay
🇮🇳 Jerrwin, Venka, Lightningfast*, sacred, Paradox
🇮🇩 Famouz, Kushy, f0rsakeN*, Monyet, Lmemore
🇮🇹 bipo, N A I S, Z3RO, caydeN*, Tag
🇯🇵 Meiy, Xdll, CLZ*, gyen, SyouTa
🇰🇷 t3xture, stax, Munchkin*, MaKo, Meteor
🇱🇹 MiniBoo, Destrian, Boo*, ceNder, vakk
🇲🇽 Mephisto, Peloncito*, otaQ, solution, seven
🇲🇳 consz, MnFeaR*, SkyIsBlue, nex1SphiX, CXIX666
🇵🇭 Jremy, JessieVash*, PatMen, Papi, invy
🇵🇱 kaajak, kamyk, MOLSI*, PROFEK, westside
🇵🇹 tomaszy, Addicted*, Fragger, starkk, Fizzy
🇷🇺 Jemkin, Shao, Chronicle, vo0kashu, nAts*
🇸🇦 ExiT, KHaaLiD*, Moh, Fighter, Elixllo
🇸🇬 Jinggg, nephh*, STYRON, Juicy, Deryeon
🇸🇪 Zyppan, Leo, Creamydreamy, Sayf*, Meddo
🇹🇼 Spring, Nicc*, S1Mon, BerLIN, happywei
🇹🇭 Primmie, cgrs*, Killua, JitBoyS, Laz
🇹🇷 Wo0t, MrFaliN*, RieNs, Ruxic, yetujey
🇬🇧 Keiko, Lime, aNguiSt, Boaster*, benjyfishy
🇺🇸 zekken, trent, N4RRATE, valyn*, leaf

That's not the interesting part, though... this much has been done many times over. What I'm going to do is sort these teams based on projected strength, sort them into groups, and run a 32 team tournament to decide who the best team is. I will be using Valorant Simulator (thanks juni!) to simulate all matches, and the tournament will use a FIFA World Cup / VALORANT Champions hybrid format, with 8 groups of 4 teams feeding into a two-sided double elimination knockout bracket.

The plan is to simulate these games over the course of the next couple of weeks. Hopefully I'll be able to give frequent updates on how this tournament is playing out.

If all goes according to plan, the next thread will be the group stage draw! I'll be power leveling these teams and sorting them into groups in a FIFA-style draw.

That's all for now! If you have any suggestions or concerns, please let me know. 🫡

#2
toyotacamry
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job

#3
cloudberry
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Hobby

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31Raven
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pls censor trigger words next time 🙏

#88
Ryujin2K
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Watch that j-word

#104
Cyker
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mods??

#4
akimb0_
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you say this

All players should be participants of either tier 1 or tier 2 (no retired players, but it's fine if they're a sub or something like that)

but then add this

🇨🇦 mada, eeiu, TenZ, Zander*, JonahP

make it make sense

#5
cloudberry
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I got peer pressured into adding him since he subbed for Cubert LMAO

#6
akimb0_
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getting peer pressured in the big 2025 ....

#7
cloudberry
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https://i.imgur.com/IkNKzGs.png

#16
Frogger0_0
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lol

#11
Prancer
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Peer pressuring is not what happened

#12
cloudberry
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Hello Mr. Peer how are you doing today

#15
Prancer
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It's thundering I can't leave

#17
Frogger0_0
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oh mb i'll make it stop

#9
Philidor
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I think Ion2x would be better than Paradox for India.

#10
cloudberry
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Hm maybe. I wasn't really sure who to put as sentinel for India tbh

I'll try to tweak things 👍

#33
Invic_Deep
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just go for Rawfiul or Deathmaker I guess both of them are good at senti and are all time top players in India you can check it out if you want . I guess Rawfiul was highest rated Indian senti in VCL SA split 1 too not sure though.

Infact I don't think you should use jerrwin, ion2x or sacred for India it's like putting Tenz as Vietnamese or Zekken in Philippines none of them are citizen of India infact afaik they were born, raised and have spent all their lives in US only their parents were Indian . I believe Venka on duelist , Rawfiul on intiator/senti flex, Lightningfast as Controller , skrossi on sentinel/2nd duelist flex and R1sen/Psy igling as Initiator main would be best Indian team but its your wish to proceed with your original idea or use this suggestion. I am excited for your simulation results regardless given Riot is probably never making this happen in reality.

#49
cloudberry
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You make a very good point. I'll definitely try to change the India roster around a bit 👍

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Katharize
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psy in big 2025?

#103
Invic_Deep
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great igl him and marzil are only IGLs in India I have seen who can win you round just with their reads and calling , we have a serious dearth of good igls

#110
Katharize
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bruh wtf 🤣

#13
theiceman
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egypt 🇪🇬: fair-avez-yassien-shniider-depyro

#14
cloudberry
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Egypt would've been my 33rd but I kept myself at 32 so the format would make sense. Is there any team I listed that you would take out for Egypt?

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theiceman
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i would probably remove hong kong

#20
cloudberry
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Will keep that in mind 👍

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31Raven
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would agree if fair stopped matchfixing

#69
cloudberry
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You say that as if you know any of Yassien Shniider Depyro

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31Raven
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uhhhhhhhh

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theiceman
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have some respect bro shniider and depyro are the best egyptian duo and as for yassien i hope he gets to franchising when he turns 18
you could also add players like sand/chrollo*/shalaby if u want 🇪🇬

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cloudberry
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Sand is a must for me if Egypt has a roster tbh, other than ZE1SH and Avez he is the most accomplished Egyptian in professional VALORANT

#76
theiceman
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egypt is a very underrated country when it come to valorant i hope they get more tryouts and more players emerge from there not just avez

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cloudberry
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I hope so too! Not just Egypt, of course, but MENA in its entirety :)

#18
allestedsnaervaerende
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:o

#21
Mortadelo
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At our peak with 5 players at Ascension and we ain't even make it

#23
cloudberry
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What's your team for Spain?

#28
Mortadelo
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Probably something like

Michel duelist
Guardy flex
Fitinho Ini
Ease/Quick IGL smokes
Kiles Senti

#41
cloudberry
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I like the team but I unfortunately wouldn't be able to put Kiles in because he has Ukraine as his VLR flag (see roster rule #3)

#46
Mortadelo
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Fair enough although he's been asked that question and answered he would play for Spain (Tbf spanish people asked so maybe not the best)

But it's okay just do Saiz instead. We beat Italy at the very least

#47
cloudberry
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I'll keep it in mind 👍

#22
Congo1
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I disagree with most of the european teams selections

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cloudberry
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Curious as to what your teams would be, then

#24
mysc_
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no alfajer is crazy

#26
cloudberry
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Imma be honest, Türkiye's sentinel was one of the hardest choices for me. It was between Alfajer, yetujey, and Elite. You could honestly go for any of the three and it would still be a very solid team

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mysc_
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tbh i prefer the one who has actually won something

#29
catmeister
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still not choosing Alfajer out of these three is mental

yetujey and Elite are both heavily underperforming

#30
bonkashi
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multi-time lan and regional winner vs coughing baby 1 and coughing baby 2 what are we on about

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Wolfed
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I think yetujey is a better sentinel, alfajer is a better player overall - either of the 2 is fine by me, I dont think choosing yetujey as sentinel is a weird call, the only reason I would pick alfajer might be because he has more international experience. Both are hype players for their teams, and the team already has insane firepower.

I’m curious why you picked wo0t as duelist (who doesnt like the role) over xeus

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beaverboii
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xeus might be the most inconsistent player i've seen

#31
Wolfed
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My top 5 prediction

  1. South Korea
  2. Russia
  3. USA
  4. Turkey
  5. Brazil
#34
USCK
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Current Yetujey over Alfa?

#35
archetype
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2 igls on team korea is definitely a choice when free1ng, ivy, and izu are available for the recon initiator spot

also where's russia?

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cloudberry
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Korea Republic was one of the teams it me the longest to draft, because there are so many unbelievable players that deserve a spot. I decided to have stax play recon initiator (as he's kinda doing right now), with Munchkin as flex igl. The controller spot was between Karon and MaKo, but I went for the latter since he'd theoretically play even better without having to hard igl

Russia's listed (between Portugal and Saudi Arabia alphabetically). This is what I have:
🇷🇺 Jemkin, Shao, Chronicle, vo0kashu, nAts*

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I would say iZu is a better fit than Stax (hypothetically) because iZu has flexed to every role in the game, whereas Stax was always locked into initiator roles.
Guy has never touched an agent that was an initiator. iZu puts up good performances on Yoru/Raze, Viper, Sova, Cypher, etc.

Ivy has also demonstrated a similar level of flexibility as well.

#79
cloudberry
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I agree with what you're saying but I have stax on recon and not flex so we should be fine 👍

#81
archetype
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idk, i personally feel like iZu/Ivy would be the better fit for that hypothetical roster, even if he were to be locked into recon initiator. Shit, if the role doesn't require flexibility then free1ng would probably the best candidate for it.

you have to understand that stax has mostly played flash initator during his career (Skye, KAY/O, Breach). Recon initiator was filled by Rb and Zest.

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cloudberry
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Ok I get what you're saying

Do you think it'd be better if I have MaKo igl, stax play flash ini, and put someone else on recon?

#85
Tempest24
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Yes that would deffo be better

#86
cloudberry
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I thought you were saying d3ffo would be better for a second 😭

#101
Tempest24
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honestly considered putting the 3 in there

#87
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why not just keep everyone else the way they are and swap Stax out for one of free1ng/iZu/Ivy? Is stax a must-have pick for the roster?

t3xture as duelist is great
meteor as senti/flex is great
Munchkin as IGL is the best, you cannot get a Korean igl better than him imo
MaKo/Karon whoever you pick will be insane at their role
i don't really see a reason to kick any of these 4 off their spots

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cloudberry
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Fair enough, I just really like stax, I guess

Would you go for Rb, Zest, or iZu?

#90
archetype
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No Rb, Zest has been out of the scene for a year, and iZu just won Bangkok as the fans' MVP - I'd pick iZu.

my sleeper pick is Ivy though tbh, guy is underrated af

#91
cloudberry
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I'll leave it up to you tbh, you seem to know a lot more abt this than I do

#36
M4rble
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Why isn’t ardiis on this??? He should def replace some of these more unknown players

#43
cloudberry
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See roster rule #3

#37
Pedri_isTheGoat
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Lmemore is fell off lil bro hes not even in tier 2, better swap with Delb or xffero

#52
cloudberry
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You might be right. I'll see who works best 👍

#38
SuperRoss
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? why not make the best italian team you can make

#44
cloudberry
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If you have a better draft, definitely let me know!

#56
SuperRoss
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i'd say something like:
bipo
koalanoob
tag
cayden
enzo/nais/basic

also i was gonna do something similar if anyone else wasn't so go nuts king

#57
cloudberry
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I like the roster but I can't use koalanoob or Enzo (see roster rule #3)

Thank you btw :)

#58
SuperRoss
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damn, kinda sucks as a rule tho

#60
cloudberry
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It definitely makes things a bit harder for myself, but the way I see it, since players can choose their own flags on VLR, it's kinda like how in international football dual/multi nationals can choose which country they play for (for example, jawgemo choosing to play for Cambodia instead of USA is kinda like Erling Haaland playing for Norway instead of England)

#63
SuperRoss
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i don't think it's like that at all,
most players don't give a shit about their flag on vlr, they don't actually represent their country

#65
cloudberry
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It makes things more fun when making rosters, at the very least

#80
Aayan
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i agree

#102
SuperRoss
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thank you aayan

#39
Flame4Game
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This is so cool cloudberry just wanted to say

#45
cloudberry
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Thank you! :)

#40
MrHyphon
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Poland dark horses destined to lose in the round of 16

#53
cloudberry
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Can 100% see that, but I can also see them squeaking into the top 8

#48
tiyoe
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are like the only options to win the tournament like
cn, ca, cl, kr,pl, tr, or us?

#50
unfertile
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Check out what I did https://www.vlr.gg/493571/actual-simulation-vlr-worldcup

#51
cloudberry
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This is genuinely super cool! I love the UI :)

Does this just look at player rating and roll with it? Or do you have other things built in?

And also is it possible that user input gives bias toward/against certain players?

#54
unfertile
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I also scraped vlr to get the players data, such as their ACS on top of their overall rating, yeah users can do that but I've made sure to include what they did when they publish their run (so if they changed a player's rating to 0 we'll know) I don't really know what would be best though!

#55
cloudberry
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Definitely very cool. I have my own rating system in place but I love the idea of user input so I'm gonna wait a few days for more people to trial and test and then input those new ratings as part of the formula I'm using 🤍

#62
unfertile
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I just realized that it would maybe be better to separate the runs with user inputs from the default ones so I added tabs to navigate between the two and not get conflicted

#59
Muratg_7
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Fraudujey instead of Hiro?

#61
wuk1nGg
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🇨🇳 ZmjjKK, Kai, slowly*, Smoggy, CHICHOO

How does this work role wise. Supposedly:
KangKang- Duelist
Kai- Duelist/Senti?
Slowly- Flash init?
Smoggy- Smoke?
CHICHOO- Smoke/Senti

Who is the recon player

#64
cloudberry
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If double duelist, then ZmjjKK Kai double duelist
If double controller, then Smoggy CHICHOO double controller with Kai sentinel
If double sentinel, then CHICHOO Kai double sentinel (or CHICHOO ZmjjKK with ZmjjKK on Chamber)

In all cases, slowly is solo initiator (most likely recon, but maybe they run solo Breach on a map or two idk I haven't made comps yet)

#66
wuk1nGg
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So are we just ignoring double initiator comps where you can perfectly set up a world class duelist?

Slowly becomes flash initiator
You have a lot of options for controller: Smoggy, Flex1n, Rushia etc. Would go for Smoggy here since you mentioned double duelist comps.
CHICHOO can play either sentinel or controller
KangKang stays
AAAAY for recon initiator

#67
cloudberry
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Makes sense, I'll see about that change 👍

Also go back to your main bud

#71
cloudberry
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Bump!

Changes to be made shortly:

  • 🇪🇸 Spain to replace 🇲🇳 Mongolia (thanks Mortadelo)
  • 🇪🇬 Egypt to potenitally replace 🇮🇹 Italy (thanks theiceman)
  • 🇹🇷 Alfajer to replace yetujey (thanks... uh... basically everyone tbh)
  • 🇮🇩 deLb/xffero to potentially replace Lmemore (thanks Pedri_isTheGoat)
  • 🇮🇳 India roster to be rebuilt (thanks Invic_Deep)
#72
Katharize
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bro add ion in Indian roster

#82
GambleNats
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I remember this back in the day, good work mr berry

#84
cloudberry
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Thank you :D

#93
NoobGamer12354
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russia looking stacked

#94
cloudberry
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Glad you think so! Definitely one of the rosters I spent the most time tinkering with

#96
archetype
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i feel like trexx would be a better replacement for one of vo0kashu or nAts given that those 2 play the exact same agents and roles

maybe vo0kashu because nAts can igl

and consider grumble for SG (if he counts lol)

#98
cloudberry
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Yeah he counts 👍

I'll think abt it :)

#99
Layne
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mta>suther on spotter for Chile (even LEV erde could be promising as spotter)

#100
cloudberry
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I can see erde over suther, thanks for the tip 🫡

#105
cloudberry
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Final bump!

Full changelog (yesterday to today):

  • 🇪🇸 Spain to replace 🇲🇳 Mongolia (thanks to Mortadelo) ✔️
  • 🇪🇬 Egypt to replace 🇮🇹 Italy (thanks to theiceman) ✔️
  • 🇹🇷 Alfajer to replace yetujey (thanks to many people) ✔️
  • 🇰🇷 iZu to replace stax (thanks to archetype) ✔️
  • 🇨🇱 erde to replace suther (thanks to Layne) ✔️
  • 🇸🇬 grumble to replace STYRON (thanks to archetype) ✔️
  • 🇮🇩 xffero to replace Lmemore (thanks to Pedri_isTheGoat) ✔️
  • 🇸🇦 str1keR to replace Elixllo ✔️
  • 🇮🇳 India roster to be rebuilt (thanks to Invic_Deep)

Working on polishing the data and finalizing rosters right now, please let me know if you have any more suggestions! I'll be doing the group stage draw sometime later today or tomorrow. 🫡

#107
theiceman
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nice

#108
cloudberry
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I can see Titan tbh, thanks for the tip

#106
SENfns
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wheres skrossi bro

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