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#1
Demi

Based on the leaks, it is almost 90% possible that Sinatraa might return to the Sentinels team. Are they really gonna do that to damage their org's reputation due to the allegations ??
Also I think that people might start turning on his teammates for supporting him.

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feelsbadboaster
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i hope not he doesnt deserve a platform

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Depressed_TSM_Fan
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Why and how? You a lawyer or some shit?

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feelsbadboaster
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if you have to ask why, you need to seek help

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Depressed_TSM_Fan
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Nah I just wanna know what inside info you have that states legally he’s guilty! Please feel free to dm me!

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kevshare
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he doesnt have to legally be guilty for people to believe he is guilty! dickrider alert xD xD

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Depressed_TSM_Fan
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Thanks bro but innocent till proven guilty

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kevshare
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yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.

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Depressed_TSM_Fan
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I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her

#32
queueK
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weirdestchamp

#35
jawn
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incel detected

#39
kevshare
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how does starting an onlyfans invalidate her accusation? disregarding your perception of onlyfans and probably sex workers, was the audio clip was just not enough for you?

#40
ncijk3131
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I still love how no one brings up the literal CLIP of her saying "No stop" "No" and he keeps going but Ok

#42
dino_brains
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Bro don't you know if a woman has an OF she's asking for it? Why would she have an OF if she didn't want to sleep with every man she sees bro? /s

#114
JustHunter
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I think the whole respecting sex workers is being misunderstood here. It is definitely not just another laymans job thats just not true and it definitely cannot be seen that way. It should be normalized yes but it most definitely isnt a job that doesnt entail anything. I dont think she is wrong in starting one and it definitely shouldnt be a REASON as to why she shouldnt be believed but it most definitely makes it hard to believe her considering her claim as to what her reaction was to the experience she had and how its very closely related with what onlyfans entails. Im not saying dont believe her, im just saying that she might not be telling the whole truth especially due to her not providing the claimed "irrefutable evidence" that was and still is in her possession, because "they didnt ask her for it". That is absolutely the dumbest reason for not fully convicting a man that has abused you

#57
wiki
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I agree with you overall but this point is so degrading...

#146
SENneedstacpausetowin
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thats the weirdest way to look at things, and? So what. She's just trying to get money and provide for herself, just becuase she does onlyfans doesnt mean she's lying that she got raped. Like what the fuck is wrong with you

#88
mystbz1
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so many downvotes sadge

#93
kevshare
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ikr looks like so many people just fully trust the law to determine whats wrong and whats right haha shitty ass world

#133
IndiraGandhi
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People like you who judge others and take the law in their own hands are worse than Satwant and Beant Singh!

#151
kevshare
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how am I taking the law into my own hands, also im not judging based on absolutely nothing, im judging based on the evidence ive seen. that evidence might not be enough to legally implicate him but its enough for me to believe it.

#150
EXEL
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good to know basic standards of procedure are thrown out the window in favor of "well bro its just obvious" lmfao.

#103
wellinever
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unless you're O.J. Simpson

#47
Gamer1234
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average vlr user

#51
Sugo
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bro its not about whether hes guilty or not. Its been made clear multiple times his main issue is not cooperating with the investigation

#53
Free
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Because there wasnt any relevant evidence hence the dropped charges.

#54
Sugo
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???? holy you sinatraa simps are empty in the head. Your explanation for him actively not cooperating is because there was no evidence?? If you know you are innocent you have 1000x more incentive to cooperate with the investigation...

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Free
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Im not defending him for not cooperating he served his punishment for that. Hes now eligible to play professionally you disagreeing with that is way more you being a hater than me accepting it being a simp. Youre delusional and projecting grow the f up.

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Sugo
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I also never said he isnt eligible to play? I think you're the one projecting here. I was merely responding to other ppl saying hes not guilty of anything.

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Free
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Whats the point of bringing up the failure to cooperate when thats in the past and over with. Focus on the present, he would improve pretty much any team he joined in NA.

#69
Free
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Bro what argument did i lose lmao? We literally agree on the topic, are you that lost? Im just lauging at the fact that you cant see that focusing on his cooperation which he served his punishment for already is moronic.

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Coolcapsicum
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This is such a brain dead argument. People do not cooperate in giving some evidences cus their lawyers told them to in so many different cases . It may provide the wrong notion or change the picture in many cases when it's not actually true . Not providing evidence is not a crime in any way .Sinatraa did not provide some piece of evidence cuz his lawyer told him not to. I think it's better to listen to his lawyers then some random vlr user telling otherwise. The women herself did not even provide the required details to start a case and u expect him to give the public everything for no reason .

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asdfghjkl
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dumbass alert, any lawyer would've told sinatraa to not cooperate SINCE ITS RIOT NOT THE LAW

#74
jawn
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he said he would fully cooperate but lied multiple times during the investigation

#92
VinceVioVN
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Probably whatever he said was an instruction by his legal team. Do you really think Sin would talk to Riot about such a crucial topic by himself? Of course not without his legal team breathing down his his neck. Whether he wanted to fully cooperate or not, we will never know and it was likely not up to him.

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jawn
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if he was as innocent as he claims his legal team has no reason to not fully cooperate with an investigation by his literal employer lmao

#98
VinceVioVN
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True, but from a legal standpoint, why talk when you don't need to. Riot isn't the law so why risk saying something stupid by accident, as your words can be used against you. Also the fallacy of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," is a really bad to live your life on :P

#152
hellohello139
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you are the same type of person who would had pussyrided amber head and called Mr dep a mysogynist

#95
LitMess
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you are going through hell to defend sinatraa and I really respect that. but you have to consider that his reputation is destroyed regardless of being guilty or innocent.

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JustHunter
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thats true and thats what sucks about this whole thing. Both parties are probably in the wrong at certain places but at the end of the day the person that benefits from this more is cleoh seeing as she doesnt have a massive online following that she has to maintain a reputation for while she could have single handedly ruined sinatraas entire existing and potentially future careers

#153
kevshare
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bro what, there are way more sinatraa fanboys and his twitch career is at an all time high. he is now returning to pro play, that career path is also opening up for him.

#102
Typical_NA_Fan
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downfragged bad, but you're right. Too bad average VLR user can't use brain and think why would and innocent person refuse to cooperate in an investigation and not openly speak out against sexual assault if they weren't a sexual assaulter.

#118
JustHunter
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Legal team would most likely tell him to not cooperate seeing as the law wasnt involved. Sinatraa is not obligated to cooperate with Riot since its within his rights not to, and so following that most likely his legal team was the one telling him to not just spew whatever he wanted to say cause he might have let out something that could be used against him

#106
jam205x
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The fact this is so downvoted just shows that this forum isn't full of trolls, but actual slow fucks with no human decency.

#110
Coolcapsicum
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The fact that u do not even know the full evidence or what happened but support a girl who claimed shit and never showed up with an actual case, the fact that u support a girl who came out after just before his main event , the fact that she never persued the case afterwards shows the number of brain cells u have. I think u should give the benefit of doubt atleast to someone who put allegations on a person and then never persued it and probably never will . Was her motive to make Sinatraa look bar in front of the whole world or actually legally do something. From the incidents which happened so far i think anyone can tell what's her motives.

#111
vandam
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the amount of downvotes alone shows how fucked vlr and valorant community is. disappointed but not surprised.

#3
verse
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doubt sinatraa is going to do more harm to SEN's brand than zombs is going to do after beating a Brazilian team again tbh

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dino_brains
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They downvoted you because you spoke the truth

edit: They upvoted you because you spoke the truth

#37
Taramissu
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Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him

#65
Free
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Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly.

#66
dino_brains
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Nadeshot literally said 100T won't work with Sinatra because of the allegations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xAOJFKTt2Y

#71
Free
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Him saying that it wouldnt work doesnt mean he doesnt belong on a top team. Not every team and player can work. Youd understand that if youd ever been in any professional setting.

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dino_brains
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"Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him"

"Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly."

You can rewatch the clip, the founder and CEO of 100 Thieves made a public statement saying that his organization would not work with Sinatra specifically because of the allegations. You were wrong on the internet, take the L.

#132
Free
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2 completely different things youre just too much of a child to understand nuance

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JustHunter
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if anyone is the child here its you. Its very clear the reason why nadeshot doesnt want to and will never negotiate with sinatraa and he even mentioned "brand image" in there, so its very clearly the controversy not the actual player himself. Nadeshot also said that as a player sinatraa could make any team he is a part of better.
To not be able to understand intent and implication is what makes you childish, not the person you were replying to

#138
dino_brains
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Cry is free

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GLN321
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I don't think it's 90% especially now that he has to complete that training

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Caliburn0723
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Their org reputation was nothing pure from start. They were a toxic org.
Not bad, but neither super positive org.
They will do what ever they can to stay relevant in the two or 3 games they play good in.
But Sen will be stronger, if that happens

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delusional_sentinels_fan1
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There is a difference between an org playing a villain role and the org having an alleged rapist on the team

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Caliburn0723
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Yes, isn’t that what I was saying. They are not a good team to consider all those shit. They kept him on team, all this time. That is when you know it is an L org. I donot support him in pro valorant scene.
I was just saying why Sen don’t mind.
Also shaz is just a rat, can’t see him saying no to Sin.
Sorry, if this tweet came the wrong way.

#33
dupreeeeeehalt
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^ people forget about g2 sometimes

#8
Mortadelo
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I feel like he has way more supporters than haters. They will win even more fanbase, all the one he has been farming all this months, plus -the zombs hate

Plus they are not really risking anything since as far as we know the case is archived so unless it reopens he is clean (which doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, just that since you can’t prove he did do it you can’t just assume he did)

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mclife20
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it's impossible to that case to be reopen when that girl said she has mental health, this world is fck that "mental" thing can be used on everything

#30
Ultimate6989
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"that girl" made a fking onlyfans acct, obviously she knows what she's doing and was only accusing him to ruin his career and get attention

#44
dino_brains
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lmao touch grass

#46
zardinez
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If she was lying, then why tf did Sinatraa not comply with the Riot investigation??

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wsnek
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Why did the guy facing a legal investigation, which can land him life in prison, not comply with Riot- the PRIVATE investigator who paid out 100million dollars for gender discrimination not even 5 years ago, who can hand over evidence (as much or as little as they want) to the police? Even if you're innocent, do NOT say anything to the police or private investigators without a lawyer present, there is a reason they spend 5 years in university and have to pass insane exams to protect your innocence.

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dino_brains
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Drama Frogs will try to stir up trouble tho. Let's be honest, theirs going to be a wave of YouTube videos saying that Sentinels support rapists, and if these hypothetical videos get some steam the criticisms could cause big troubles for the orgs

#131
Kuragari_
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Ong, which is weird since SEN members play with Sinatraa most of the time how tf does that not affect the reputation of the org but when Sinatraa goes back as a pro player for SEN it does? Plus Sinatraa is a "CONTENT CREATOR FOR SENTINELS" why are ppl ok with this but when Sinatraa might go back to the main roster it affects the reputation?

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dino_brains
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Now that Sinatraa is coming back to pro-play he's more relevant to the entire valorant community, previously unless you were a diehard sentinels fan or a Sinatra viewer it was pretty easy to forget him

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Kuragari_
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Sinatraa is literally the meme of valorant everybody knows him even if ur not a diehard or a Sinatraa fan. He's still relevant af even if he's not gonna go back to pro play and ALSO SEN PAYS HIM AND PPL KNOW THAT, HOW TF SOME OF YALL SWITCH UP WHEN HE'S GONNA GO BACK TO PRO PLAY LOL.

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dino_brains
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Nah bro, if you watch valorant streamers you're a die hard fan, average esports viewers watch the grand finals, there favourite teams games. Like if you're posting on VGG you're I the top 1% of valorant fans

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deathlyclaws
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Whatever if they just do -zombs I am back on Sen copium

#12
373washoooi
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Putting sinatraa in is no big deal but taking zombs out is a whole different story #zombsnation

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Unclebenmehover
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  • zombs sick to sentinels and dapr to smokes with Sinatraa playing sicks role? Sick already plays sage and astra, I’m sure he can learn kj or whatev
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jackb2016
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Shouldn’t it be sick to controller and then Sinatraa fills in sicks role? Or

#18
Unclebenmehover
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Dapr is a better controller than sick imo
He’s a good viper
Sick was ok on astra but I think he’s have more leeway to play aggressive on sentinel

#21
MastoOG
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I think Dapr will still play Viper on maps like Split, Bind, Icebox, Fracture, and Split will play Astra, Omen, Brim, etc.

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jackb2016
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oh ye ik hes a better a viper

#15
kevshare
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oopsies

#19
mclife20
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btw where's cle0h twitter? she goes private?

#77
Ultimate6989
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the bitch got banned lmaooooo

#78
DogeForPres
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actually? lmaooooo

#79
DogeForPres
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she privated after I ratioed her in 3 different hate comments

ez impressions farming

#20
bradbreach
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Sentinels was/is in what games besides Valorant? I've never heard of the org before Valorant but seems a big thing on NA, so I don't know about that reputation that you guys talk about

#22
Ryuji
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bruhh fortnite world champion bugha is from sentinals

#24
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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Halo and Fortnite are their biggest games outside valo. They used to have an LCS team called Phoenix1 but they were shit. I'm also pretty sure they used to have an OWL team but don't quote me on that.

#25
bradbreach
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thank you bro

#105
turkey
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p sure zombs was on their OWL team or maybe it was apex

#23
trola
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you act like sentinels is the purest org ever LOL

#26
KyLZi
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I always thought Faze would be the org to pick him up. They seem to fit each other.

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jawn
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just another scandal for them lol

#38
dino_brains
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I feel like from a business perspective it's a bad decision, just looking through the comments on this post shows that Sinatra and the allegations are still a controversial topic. But from a pure in-game perspective Sinatra is an obvious upgrade from Zombs, and iirc he was very good in the server before he was benched.

Feels risky, especially when you have other orgs passing over Sinatra over the risk to their reputation

#125
JustHunter
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yea for their business it might be a small hit in the short term, but the amount of popularity they could garner if this team works out and theyre able to put NA back on top. The amount of money and publicity they would get would far outweight the negative

#128
dino_brains
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I think that's a big if, plus if they return to the centre of the Valorant people they'll also attract more haters who will undoubtedly use it against them

#48
camosoulja
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Feels bad how cruel and unforgiving this world is. They would literally destroy someone's life for something they "believe". Please stop imposing your shitty opinions on others.

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frake_monster
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Don't care about the rape situation but since there is no proof it is all empty talk. I think sinatraa is a great player, don't know his personality, don't know him irl but if he is not found guilty why would it make him not play in any team. He already couldn't play a year? It is like you have your job but you can't do it. Don't hate or like sinatraa, just saying for me he can play professional valorant

#124
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agreed, if she didnt finish him off then dont stop him from coming back to valorant. If she doesnt want him to comeback then provide riot with that "irrefutable evidence" that she has of the "rape" and then we can finally stop talking about the whole situation

#55
GooberBoy
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Sinatraa defenders gotta be the most stubborn dickriders of all time

#58
habibti
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what leaks?

#59
clutchzero
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If you think sinatraa did nothing wrong after those records, you are the worst kind of person.

#61
Free
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Youre just naive, easy af to manipulate you with a single bs clip. Start making your own inferences instead of blindly following media outlets

#86
Flumplestiltski
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LOL

#123
JustHunter
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i mean if it was the "conclusive evidence" she claimed of having then maybe this whole situation wouldnt be the way it is. The audio clip she provided was the most vague shit ever that could have either been literally anything, or just having regular sex. The reason riot isnt able to come to a conclusion is simply because that clip doesnt prove anything cause it could just be them playing taken out of context.

#63
hazard25
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washed team washed player who cares ?

#68
MoonshineRB
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sentinels dont car they're known for shit pr anyway

#72
TheGodkira7
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Everyone deserve a second chance and sinatra definitely deserves one because he is not proven guilty.

#75
BadlandsChugs
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do we seriously need a daily thread about this guy?

#85
LouBag
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Win for Sen

Win for innocent until proven guilty

Win for personal growth and change

L for Cancel culture

#134
IndiraGandhi
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Exactly - Kids think black & white.

#89
n0namer123
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Heard it's closer to 92%, but those are my sources

#122
JustHunter
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wait are you sure? My sources say 88%

#91
wisawis
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When i'm in a d1ckriding competition and my opponent is a sinatraa fan

#96
Slashyiguess
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surely sinatraa busted a nut with the amount of dickriding in this thread LMAO

#97
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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Cleoh surely made at least 10 grand from the pussy licking in this thread too

#121
JustHunter
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you missed the other 0 in the back

#143
DogeForPres
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can't be certain, but i did hear him say "I'm close"

#100
brado
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fun fact, future us will simp 4 sen for being FORGIVING OF HUMAN BEINGS ERRORS.

forgiveness is more important than simping for whores

#101
AverageJoe
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nah SEN fans will love sinatraa even more so because of the incident. Kids like to be edgy for the sake of it (and a lot of valorant fans are young)

#113
redlight
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This is unironically true.

Maybe not all SEN fans, but the diehard ones that are stuck in the early days before Masters 2: Reykjavik.

#120
JustHunter
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yea its a true shame what the internet is

#107
yaiima0
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This comment section makes me scared for the future…lol

#108
AverageJoe
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they didnt cut off Sinatraa when the news came out, so is no suprise

#119
JustHunter
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Its dumb how much damage it will cause for such a messy and rushed case with some of the weakest evidence. Its a shame that its inevitable regardless but yes im sure sentinels has talked to sinatraa and hes willing to work with them to better his image and to revert public perceptions back to what they were before

#126
tinted
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they have nothing to lose at this point, so they probably will. i'm a firm believer that innocent until proven guilty is the right mentality, but i still don't like sinatraa simply because he's cringe.

#129
damsi121
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Sinatra trash bro

#130
Kuragari_
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It doesn't make sense how their reputation as an org will be ruined when they let their players stream with a "sexual offender" (HE ISN'T LOL)
so saying that if Sinatraa goes back to the main roster will ruin their reputation as an org is weird because Zombs and Dapr usually play with Sinatraa on stream as a duo

#136
JustHunter
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zombs and dapr arent a business its different. Ofc the world are gonna look at them in that light simply because there was a chance in which sinatraa was a sexual offender and honestly none of us can say he was but none of us can say he wasnt. Thats the biggest thing that annoys me is the fact that people claim one or the other as fact and thats what is ruining sinatraas career and the internet most likely will never let him live it down

#139
bagagarbage
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Only on VLR, a group full of men that would openly welcome and support Sinatraa, a sexual offender. I'm sick of you mfs

#141
Jav7FM
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Cry more bozo. In America you are innocent until proven Guilty

#142
Ashh
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facts bro if hes proven so called "guilty" wheres the evidence? his ex has fucking only fans u degenerates

#145
AWPACADEMY
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Everybody deserves a second chance.
Not gonna speak on nothing else.

#148
zzzzzzzzz
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Why do people keep talking bout this when nothing new has even happened.

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