is he a top 5 player itw
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Two_Percent [#12]damn yall retarded or sum
ok please enlighten me on why I should believe Mada is a top 5 player itw?
Arun777 [#6]keep hating on him yall, he's a champs winner in his rookie season :)
mada was playing prime optic and xset on 2022 and prime sen 2021 once again i ask how the hell is he a rookie
No, he is too inconsistent and his ceiling is not very high, there are at least 10 duelists better than him in the world so he is very far from being a Top 5 player itw
dimmed [#13]ok please enlighten me on why I should believe Mada is a top 5 player itw?
i didnt say he is top 5 im just saying yall acting like he icy or governor
Two_Percent [#16]i didnt say he is top 5 im just saying yall acting like he icy or governor
He’s closer to icy than to being top 5 but definitely still an above average player
Two_Percent [#16]i didnt say he is top 5 im just saying yall acting like he icy or governor
his playstyle and role on the team is similar - he is primarily a space taker instead of a trade fragger like an aspas but he is definitely better than those 2 mechanically
glittering_yard [#15]No, he is too inconsistent and his ceiling is not very high, there are at least 10 duelists better than him in the world so he is very far from being a Top 5 player itw
I would argue his ceiling is extremely high, but he is very inconsistent yeah
akcolade [#18]his playstyle and role on the team is similar - he is primarily a space taker instead of a trade fragger like an aspas but he is definitely better than those 2 mechanically
mada is not mechanically better than aspas lmfao
Two_Percent [#16]i didnt say he is top 5 im just saying yall acting like he icy or governor
No because then we'd assume it's bait and not even comment, instead we are giving examples of why Mada isn't top 5 itw, how can be top 5 if he wasn't top 5 players at champ (his best result), he isn't top 5 in his region, and not even top 5 in NA.
So to ask if he's top 5 is WAY overrating him, again, we aren't saying he's bad just top 5 is a lot..
foythvlr [#20]mada is not mechanically better than aspas lmfao
Better than Icy/governor not Aspas
JonahPork [#19]I would argue his ceiling is extremely high, but he is very inconsistent yeah
the problem is that his "extremely high ceiling" is just randomly getting an ace in round 99 when he is already 3/14 after being useless all game
foythvlr [#20]mada is not mechanically better than aspas lmfao
honestly mada might be better than aspas mechanically - aspas is just better at everything else
akcolade [#25]honestly mada might be better than aspas mechanically - aspas is just better at everything else
Hes not
foythvlr [#14]mada was playing prime optic and xset on 2022 and prime sen 2021 once again i ask how the hell is he a rookie
literally considered a rookie in vct bro like what do u want me to say, first actual season in tier 1
JonahPork [#17]He’s closer to icy than to being top 5 but definitely still an above average player
dude worst take, dont even compare icy to a champs winner, jesus christ
Arun777 [#29]literally considered a rookie in vct bro like what do u want me to say, first actual season in tier 1
franchised rookie
Arun777 [#29]literally considered a rookie in vct bro like what do u want me to say, first actual season in tier 1
he was a top 8 player on challengers NA. he was already T1
Arun777 [#30]dude worst take, dont even compare icy to a champs winner, jesus christ
That’s all there is to mada, his team accomplishments
glittering_yard [#23]the problem is that his "extremely high ceiling" is just randomly getting an ace in round 99 when he is already 3/14 after being useless all game
Nah we saw his kickoff form was crazy
Arun777 [#6]keep hating on him yall, he's a champs winner in his rookie season :)
so was diamond1, look where he is now
Arun777 [#6]keep hating on him yall, he's a champs winner in his rookie season :)
remove brawk and odin.....NRG dont win shit
foythvlr [#32]he was a top 8 player on challengers NA. he was already T1
thats what im saying. my goat babybay for example is NOT a rookie
Arun777 [#30]dude worst take, dont even compare icy to a champs winner, jesus christ
icy is a champs winner?
Kiko [#39]thats what im saying. my goat babybay for example is NOT a rookie
this is like saying 2024 was supamen rookie season. like no mf he was fucking around for a long time. hes 28. look at his face. you call that a rookie
foythvlr [#42]this is like saying 2024 was supamen rookie season. like no mf he was fucking around for a long time. hes 28. look at his face. you call that a rookie
exactly
barely top 5 duelist in his region, let alone a bitw level player but when he locks in he plays tremendously well and he has great chemistry on NRG
Pototo [#37]remove brawk and odin.....NRG dont win shit
remove the most impactful player and a team that won a tournament wouldn't win that tournament 5head
milflover92 [#46]remove the most impactful player and a team that won a tournament wouldn't win that tournament 5head
nope....just remove the odin and ur "most impactful player" is not even top 10 in the tournament 0head
Pototo [#47]nope....just remove the odin and ur "most impactful player" is not even top 10 in the tournament 0head
remove a gun from the game and this one team who uses the gun that everyone has access to wouldn't win 5head
milflover92 [#48]remove a gun from the game and this one team who uses the gun that everyone has access to wouldn't win 5head
yep....all spam no strat or aim
akcolade [#25]honestly mada might be better than aspas mechanically - aspas is just better at everything else
Hes not
dimmed [#21]No because then we'd assume it's bait and not even comment, instead we are giving examples of why Mada isn't top 5 itw, how can be top 5 if he wasn't top 5 players at champ (his best result), he isn't top 5 in his region, and not even top 5 in NA.
So to ask if he's top 5 is WAY overrating him, again, we aren't saying he's bad just top 5 is a lot..
hes a top duelist in his region second to aspas and defo one of the best duelists in the world rn
Pototo [#49]yep....all spam no strat or aim
Prx fans are genuine brainlets I wonder if any of you are above gold, only reason you hate on anyone that plays the game uniquely
Pototo [#47]nope....just remove the odin and ur "most impactful player" is not even top 10 in the tournament 0head
remove raze and jingg is a bottom 10 player
Pototo [#49]yep....all spam no strat or aim
you clearly didn’t watch nrg play on abyss if you think they’re “all spam”
Two_Percent [#51]hes a top duelist in his region second to aspas and defo one of the best duelists in the world rn
In a world where Zekken, Jawgemo, Sato, OXY and Cryo didn't exist, then yes I'd agree with you, Mada would be the 2nd best duelist in his region.
Calling Mada the 2nd best duelist in Americas is bit much but isn't completely deluded I guess, but regardless that doesn't contradict my point that he still isn't close to being top 5 in the world. I can confidently say that if we are talking about being one of the best duelist itw Mada doesn't crack top 10.
dimmed [#55]In a world where Zekken, Jawgemo, Sato, OXY and Cryo didn't exist, then yes I'd agree with you, Mada would be the 2nd best duelist in his region.
Calling Mada the 2nd best duelist in Americas is bit much but isn't completely deluded I guess, but regardless that doesn't contradict my point that he still isn't close to being top 5 in the world. I can confidently say that if we are talking about being one of the best duelist itw Mada doesn't crack top 10.
Zekken is good, but in 2025 even when sen were better than nrg on an individual level mada was about as good as zekken, and at the end of the year mada completely took off
jawgemo is great but hella inconsistent, either hes clip farming or having a terrorist game no in between its a 50/50
sato is new on the scene, very small sample size and while very good yes, still not substantially better than mada
oxy is mechanically the best player on the scene but cmon he was on c9 other than that almost run to champs in stage 2 oxy wasnt allat
cryo isnt even a full duelist player, he just played yoru/jett and while I think he is overhated and actually a good player, he plays more of a flex role compared to madas entry duelist
catNmouse [#54]you clearly didn’t watch nrg play on abyss if you think they’re “all spam”
nrg loses an 11-1 lead when they don’t have their odin crutch to carry them
JonahPork [#52]Prx fans are genuine brainlets I wonder if any of you are above gold, only reason you hate on anyone that plays the game uniquely
nope.. , D3..... without the use of spam...but sure...u keep justifying ur noobness XD
catNmouse [#54]you clearly didn’t watch nrg play on abyss if you think they’re “all spam”
read the reply above XD
catNmouse [#53]remove raze and jingg is a bottom 10 player
used to be...not anymore....probably still better thn brawk even if he plays initiators XD
Pototo [#60]used to be...not anymore....probably still better thn brawk even if he plays initiators XD
he ain’t f0rsaken
catNmouse [#61]he ain’t f0rsaken
thats my point.... jinggg is enough even not on his main
forsaken is in a whole different league
Pototo [#37]remove brawk and odin.....NRG dont win shit
remove aspas and mibr don’t win shit
remove alfajer and fnc don’t win shit
remove f0rsaken and prx don’t win shit
remove meteor and t1 don’t win shit
need i go on?
shrike- [#63]remove aspas and mibr don’t win shit
remove alfajer and fnc don’t win shit
remove f0rsaken and prx don’t win shit
remove meteor and t1 don’t win shitneed i go on?
lmao....looks like u need comprehension lessons
aspas is not a spammer ...dude is consistently good at multiple duelists with multiple guns
same goes for alfa....
same for forsaken..
same for meteor....
u better not go on cuz u not makin any valid points n just embarrassing urself XD
Pototo [#64]lmao....looks like u need comprehension lessons
aspas is not a spammer ...dude is consistently good at multiple duelists with multiple guns
same goes for alfa....
same for forsaken..
same for meteor....u better not go on cuz u not makin any valid points n just embarrassing urself XD
players are removable you know that right?
Pototo [#64]lmao....looks like u need comprehension lessons
aspas is not a spammer ...dude is consistently good at multiple duelists with multiple guns
same goes for alfa....
same for forsaken..
same for meteor....u better not go on cuz u not makin any valid points n just embarrassing urself XD
i’ll go on because you’ve decided to make a non-argument
i’m not taking about the quality of the player themselves, point is that none of these teams win anything or make any runs without the players i mentioned, they would get significantly worse
same can be said for:
heretics and riens
g2 and jawgemo
drx and flashback
gx and ara
sentinels and zekken
shrike- [#66]i’ll go on because you’ve decided to make a non-argument
i’m not taking about the quality of the player themselves, point is that none of these teams win anything or make any runs without the players i mentioned, they would get significantly worse
same can be said for:
heretics and riens
g2 and jawgemo
drx and flashback
gx and ara
sentinels and zekken
its not about the player himselff.....its just about how much they spammed that one gun that one event
but sure keep going...its hilarious XD
Pototo [#68]its not about the player himselff.....its just about how much they spammed that one gun that one event
but sure keep going...its hilarious XD
well your point is that without brawk and odin NRG don't win anything
sure, i'm also saying that without certain players, other teams also don't win anything
at this point you're not even trying to make an argument i think
shrike- [#69]well your point is that without brawk and odin NRG don't win anything
sure, i'm also saying that without certain players, other teams also don't win anythingat this point you're not even trying to make an argument i think
nope m saying just remove the odin and see the difference...
they lost a 11-1 lead just cuz they couldnt spam on abyss XD
come on u gotta admit he abused the odin
Pototo [#70]nope m saying just remove the odin and see the difference...
they lost a 11-1 lead just cuz they couldnt spam on abyss XD
come on u gotta admit he abused the odin
Oh i'm definitely not saying brawk didn't abuse the odin
i'm just saying the argument of "remove this player or this gun and they don't win anything" is kind of silly because like... yeah? but they did in fact have the gun and that's why they won. it's not like rito is gonna just remove the gun because NRG won, it's always gonna be there
if waylay yoru was removed drx would've gotten grouped
shrike- [#71]Oh i'm definitely not saying brawk didn't abuse the odin
i'm just saying the argument of "remove this player or this gun and they don't win anything" is kind of silly because like... yeah? but they did in fact have the gun and that's why they won. it's not like rito is gonna just remove the gun because NRG won, it's always gonna be there
if waylay yoru was removed drx would've gotten grouped
its just that the degree of its impact was massive.... thats all m saying
well.... anyway.... atleast we came to some kinda agreement after all that debate XD
31Raven [#67]barely top 5 on his team bro
he’s better than ethan let’s be fr
Pototo [#70]nope m saying just remove the odin and see the difference...
they lost a 11-1 lead just cuz they couldnt spam on abyss XD
come on u gotta admit he abused the odin
they lost that lead because of mada and s0m
shesh_ [#57]nrg loses an 11-1 lead when they don’t have their odin crutch to carry them
“I love you guys” 💀
serot [#43]everyone is just a better FNS
nobody whiffs shots like FNS
Maniacwolf [#75]“I love you guys” 💀
mada kills team vibes by professing his love for them while up 11-1 in champs grand finals
s0m used to offset mada's bad vibes with his good vibes
nrg dead team now because no vibes guy
foythvlr [#14]mada was playing prime optic and xset on 2022 and prime sen 2021 once again i ask how the hell is he a rookie
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foythvlr [#32]he was a top 8 player on challengers NA. he was already T1
that mf lost to Shroud bro.
catNmouse [#73]he’s better than ethan let’s be fr
do you suffer from severe cognitive issues or are you just ragebaiting?
DBStudios [#78]rook·ie
/ˈro͝okē/
noun informal
a new recruit, especially in the army or police.
which he wasnt
AhhhYuhhh [#79]that mf lost to Shroud bro.
how does that contradict what i said
foythvlr [#83]how does that contradict what i said
No top 8 player is losing to SEN Shroud
Elby56 [#81]do you suffer from severe cognitive issues or are you just ragebaiting?
where’s the lie? he has been better than ethan all year
foythvlr [#82]which he wasnt
Yes he was lmao, first year in tier 1. This argument that he "played against OPTIC and xset in 2022 and prime sen in 2021" is stupid because a lot of no names played against them already lmao. Like if some random guy like Deimos joined tier 1 he wouldn't be considered a rookie because he played against prime sen back in 2021? He also attended 0 LANs making the challengers he played no different than tier 2 currently.
serot [#43]everyone is just a better FNS
everyone is just a worse aspas
foythvlr [#42]this is like saying 2024 was supamen rookie season. like no mf he was fucking around for a long time. hes 28. look at his face. you call that a rookie
Pablo Prigioni was an NBA rookie at the age of 35 lmfao what does age have to do with this.
DBStudios [#88]Yes he was lmao, first year in tier 1. This argument that he "played against OPTIC and xset in 2022 and prime sen in 2021" is stupid because a lot of no names played against them already lmao. Like if some random guy like Deimos joined tier 1 he wouldn't be considered a rookie because he played against prime sen back in 2021? He also attended 0 LANs making the challengers he played no different than tier 2 currently.
deimos played vs sen on a open qualifier. mada played vs sen on a challengers playoffs. pretty far from each other to me
making 0 lans also makes it no different than cloud 9 since franchising started. doesnt mean c9 is not tier 1
DBStudios [#90]Pablo Prigioni was an NBA rookie at the age of 35 lmfao what does age have to do with this.
no one gaf about NBA
He wasn't at his full potential in champs i think. He definitely has the potential to be top 5 in the world
foythvlr [#91]deimos played vs sen on a open qualifier. mada played vs sen on a challengers playoffs. pretty far from each other to me
making 0 lans also makes it no different than cloud 9 since franchising started. doesnt mean c9 is not tier 1
making 0 lans also makes it no different than cloud 9 since franchising started. doesnt mean c9 is not tier 1
C9 also plays against the entire region, Mada played in NA lmfao.
deimos played vs sen on a open qualifier. mada played vs sen on a challengers playoffs. pretty far from each other to me
Okay then same situation with Seb then lmao
foythvlr [#92]no one gaf about NBA
"no one gaf about NBA" 🤡
Me when someone gives a solid argument and my only response is to say no one cares about it 🤡
DBStudios [#95]"no one gaf about NBA" 🤡
Me when someone gives a solid argument and my only response is to say no one cares about it 🤡
yeah no one does
DBStudios [#94]making 0 lans also makes it no different than cloud 9 since franchising started. doesnt mean c9 is not tier 1
C9 also plays against the entire region, Mada played in NA lmfao.
deimos played vs sen on a open qualifier. mada played vs sen on a challengers playoffs. pretty far from each other to me
Okay then same situation with Seb then lmao
NA is a entire region. And yeah idk who this seb guy is but seeing his carrer i wouldnt count him as a rookie either
foythvlr [#97]NA is a entire region. And yeah idk who this seb guy is but seeing his carrer i wouldnt count him as a rookie either
LMAO and then where were you when Reins was considered one of the best rookies in 2024 despite playing against FUT, KC, and VIT back in the days
And NA vs NA + LATAM + Brazil is crazy lmao, not the same thing
DBStudios [#98]LMAO and then where were you when Reins was considered one of the best rookies in 2024 despite playing against FUT, KC, and VIT back in the days
And NA vs NA + LATAM + Brazil is crazy lmao, not the same thing
riens was playing in a minor region. vitality, KC and FUT were all irrelevant
NA was the most relevant region in the game at the time (prob still is). SEN and OPTIC were world champions. XSET was top 5 itw
JonahPork [#52]Prx fans are genuine brainlets I wonder if any of you are above gold, only reason you hate on anyone that plays the game uniquely
I mean, I am a Paper Rex fan myself, they're the only VCT team I bought a bundle for, and I recently peaked immo2. As you may also see I am arguing against this guy because this take is braindead as fuck. Odin is a great gun. Abuse it when you can.
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