Genuine Question About Leo

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NotDelicious

Why do people always have Leo like top 3 in GOAT lists? He is an incredible player no doubt but what has he really done to outshine the other players in the conversation? He was a decent player on Guild, but not world class. At his peak he was top 1 ITW but that only lasted for about half a year. He was still great during FNC's falloff in Champs 2023 and the next year until he stopped playing, but he wasn't at his prime. I feel like Alfajer and Leo are very close in terms of legacy, they both peaked around the same time and remained consistently great for a long time. But in GOAT conversations or top 10 lists, Alfajer doesn't come close to Leo AT ALL.

Imo he is undoubtedly top 10 and there is a good argument for top 5, but what has he really done to the point where people just put him top 3 without hesitation?

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name the 3 who clearly outclass him (I will give you Chronicle)

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nats
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s0m0n keke

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simon was better than leo in his champs form

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....????????? tell me your new without telling me your new

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maybe his util but hell nah for everyth else

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nah i feel like his util was decent but it was heavily micromanaged by his team from what all the EDG players have said.

again leos util was alsao insane, i think people js forget about leo's sova(bro used to get at least 5 kills a map with just his shocks or fade or gekko.

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he single handedly turned edg from a bomb out of every international team into winning champs + 3rd place back to back - no other team has ever made a single adjustment and had their performance change so much. as soon as he leaves, edg fail to qualify to an international for the first time since vct cn started. leo stopped playing and fnc still looked decent.

his 1v2 clutch on lotus is probably the greatest play oat (maybe minus the boi ace vs rise)

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are u stupid

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am i wrong

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yes

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i mean if baiting was a championship you would finish a close third to HenbabyH and 1234

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ty

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he single handedly turned edg from a bomb out of every international team into winning champs + 3rd place back to back

That wasn't S1Mon, that was Muggle

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he was the best util breach itw in a breach neon meta with psycho entry on team, he brought the whole playstyle of the team together
his entire team got so many free kills off him
the 1v2 clutch on lotus is the greatest single play oat
like sure there's a lot of set stuff but his improvised utility is probably the best i've seen. jieni on breach is night and day.

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bro started watching VCT this year 🥀

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sorry started in 2023, perhaps he was better in 2022?

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I know it's chinese bias that you have those 3 up there.

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I'd say Aspas for obvious reasons and Chronicle makes sense since he just has hella trophies. But how is Leo any different from say, Meteor, Yay, Derke, Less, or Alfajer? What does he have that makes him very clearly above the rest?

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yay is washed and has less trophies and was god tier in the plumber era also had way lower lows.

Meteor has not as high peaks, also has not same longevity as Leo (only really was seen in 2024).

Derke sure

Less hell no won one trophy and has done ass crack all since 2023

Alfajer just not as good as him idk what to tell you

Also he was the best player on the best team ever, and considered one of the best (if not best by some) of all time on INITIATOR (not falshy at all for the TenZ fans)

Also none of these CLEARLY are better, and only Derke is a hard call

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NotDelicious

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I don't really like the "plumber era" argument. Like saying that Tenz's peak at 2021 was not that good because everyone was bad. Thats PRECISELY why its so impressive, he was that good when no one else was. Same with Yay. Many argue he "abused chamber." Everyone was trying to abuse chamber but none had the success as Yay. He didn't have an advantage over others, he was simply better. You can't discredit his ability to maximize the potential of the agent and bring the best out of it. And Yay was also just as good the year before, when he was playing pretty much all Jett.

But yeah thats my point. You can make a strong case for Leo being top 3, but I'm just confused as how people are able to put him there with no hesitation, like its obvious that grass is green. He isn't CLEARLY better.

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lowk I agree but I like rage baiting TenZ and Yay glazers

But also Leo IS clearly better, yay has high peaks but maybe the lowest low out of any player ever, Leo had consistently been a top player on the best team of all time (can't call him a good team merchant if Yay is in the picture bcuz Optic was the best team oat until FNC 2023) and has more acheivments then Yay WITHOUT the biggest low maybe ever.

So I would say that both were super consistent (probably 2 most consistent players ever ignoring yay after 2022) but Leo did it ina more competitive era and for longer with more to show for it on INITIATOR and not a broken agent like Chamber

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I agree and can see your point, but the last part makes it seem like you didn't read my last post at all

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I meant that as in like chamber meta

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2023 wasn't as competitive as you make it seem

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i would not say leo had been constant all the time he just had a phenomenal single year that doesn't mean he is the best itw
back when he was in guild he choked a lot
he is not doubt a top5 player but only considering he only played for somewhat 8 months doesnt make him the goat
if he returns back to val and prove that he still has it then he will be the greatest oat but right now his return is uncertain and no point in glazing him if he will not return.

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Peeking him is the same as going against an op, also watch th vs fnc breeze in emea gf

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Meteor Buzz Stax

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Derke aspas chronicle tenz (debatable) sacy and tbh yay was dominant over a longer period of time so i would deadass put him above Leo

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mini and sliggy call him the perfect player or some shit and that platoon video that came out is basically why

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He is a perfect player I agree, but shouldn't we attribute some of the credit to his team? There's a reason why FNC was able to draw out his full potential as a player. Also, being a perfect player and being considered a "GOAT" are two different things, what has Leo done that makes him CLEARLY a top 3 candidate?

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he is just shao with a superteam around him, also I don't have him top 3

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NotDelicious

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Whats your top 5?

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aspas
chronicle
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alfajer

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tenz in top 5 smh

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2 trophies with different rosters on different roles, his records remain unbroken, has never lost a BO5

he will slowly fall out of top5 and top10 because he cut his career short but for now there are not a lot of players that can compare to his achievements

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TenZ can def be taken into consideration for Top 5 of all time. Even tho his duelist fell off, him on flex role was insane

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mate as much as i hate tenz dickriders, he did win two trophies on two rosters while playing 2 different roles for the team. that does deserve some credit

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NotDelicious

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Why Alfajer over Leo? In your opinion

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in contention for best senti oat, has reached the same peaks and has been competing at the top for longer

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NotDelicious

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Thats kind of what I was thinking. But a lot of people say Leo clears cuz he is more "perfect" of a player than Alfajer (or any other player in the conversation like Yay Meteor Derke etc), that Alfajer has flaws that Leo doesn't have. He has more impact than Alfa. What do you think about this?

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it's just a narrative, it usually starts when someone with a following throws an insane hyperbole like "x player is perfect because he is disciplined and never makes bad decisions" and then gets parroted in reddit/tiktok/vlr until it becomes the truth

with that being said Leo is the greatest initiator to ever grace this game and could easily become the goat if he comes back and continues playing like himself

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this is how we know you've never watched leo play cause there's genuinely no way you can possibly come to this conclusion otherwise

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they're equally skilled idk what to tell you

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That platoon video stats are soo boosted lmao. It is only playoff and international tournaments and leo has only 2 sample tournaments, 7 matches to get stats. Even if you know these are small sample, Leo has boosted stats because he had so many exit kills in EMEA playoffs. You just have to watch the breeze game against KC to understand what I am saying

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oh boy

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yikes 0/8

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just watch his games

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Why? Because I studied bro

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NotDelicious

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Yall are missing my point. I agree Leo's one of the best players we've seen, but I personally just don't understand why people consider him a clear top 3. Why is it Leo and not Yay? Why is it Leo and not Meteor? Etc. What has Leo done that makes him so clearly better than the rest?

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No 2024 team or any team from previous years will single handedly reverse sweep team heretics to bomb out of Shanghai! But Leo did! Hell yeah!!

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You can't compare Leo with yay or meteor, Leo almost never bottom frags, one of the most if not the most consistent player out there, insane gamesense, util usage, understanding of the game, he almost never makes mistakes, you can't even say the latter about 99% of players let alone yay/meteor, he literally is the perfect player (at least for his role)

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He is a perfect player and really consistent, I never disagreed with that. But you can't really use the stat that he never bottom frags to justify putting him top 3 goat itw though, cause its due to his role and FNC's system as a team. Yay and Meteor play duelist/senti, which is just completely different. Also Yay has been consistently good throughout 2021 and 2022, just like Leo, and some can argue Yay's prime > Leo's prime. In that case, is Leo only better because of Yay's falloff? Is that the criteria?

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A few players have recognised Leo as aspas level, Derke/mada/Ethan. And that’s cause of his impact in rounds, he’s always good in the clutch, will trade you, will call for you, has a strong mental (boaster said the reason they bet heretics stage 1 2024 was because of his drive/determination despite being sick) also has incredible utility, good positioning, great awareness. But you would know all this if you watched him play so idk why I’m telling you. He also saved Fnatic from possibly going OT Vs 2023 EG in Tokyo, getting massive kills on Jawg and Ethan. Also lock//in MVP. Was also the most steady player in a massive declined 2024 Fnatic while he was still active. Also consistently at least top 5 in events he’s played which not even aspas has done.

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I've been watching val for many years so I have definitely seen Leo play. I get your argument of his high impact in rounds, which I definitely agree with. I don't really like how you cherry picked specific rounds to use as your argument, since I'm sure I can do the same given 30 mins of research, for players like Alfajer Yay Meteor Derke etc, and how they saved their teams countless times as well. Leo was consistently top 5 in events he's played for 2 years straight, but the same can be said for someone like Yay.

Everything you mentioned is very valid, but I was more looking for a response to my question what differentiates him from the other players in the conversation. He is undoubtedly an amazing player. So you're saying it's his high impact in rounds that puts him above the rest?

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Nobody has the reliability and value that he has, at least from who you’ve named. Meteor has drastically decreased in skill at least for stage 1, in kickoff and bangkok he was good. And yay was way back then. He did not play competitively in 2023 and should I even count his stint in 2024?

And if I’m describing his impact am I not allowed to pick a standout round? It’s not cherrypicking it’s just one that’s memorable. And I also named a lot of other things than just his impact.

What differentiates him is that meteor, yay and even aspas. Will not be able to take control of their team and be able lead them at the same level as boaster. Boaster himself has complimented Leo’s skills for leading. I just simply do not believe any of those players will be able to do that.

Along with also the impact value and near perfect utility.
You’re asking what makes him stand out from the rest? The fact that it’s hard to find a FLAW

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Ok good point, it is hard to find a flaw.

However, although players like Meteor Yay Aspas have flaws that Leo doesn't have, you could also argue that they have strengths that Leo doesn't have. Like insane mechanical skill, the ability to single-handedly carry rounds, etc. Not saying Leo has bad aim or he can't win rounds singlehandedly. But players like Prime Yay, Aspas, etc, just are special and gifted in that way. So I think it ultimately comes down to who's strengths you value more highly

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Well that depends, because of Leo’s role he can single handedly carry a round without shooting i.e sova darts pinging for spam kills for his team. Also I sure hope you’re not saying Leo is not insane mechanically. There is many moments where he’s shown his insane understanding of valorant.

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He definitely is insane mechanically. I'm just saying different players have strengths and weaknesses so I think it's a bit unfair to say Leo is way better cuz he has ABC which other players in the conversation don't have, when they have XYZ. Probably could've used better examples

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But each player is going to have their standout strengths that’s the thing, everyone’s going to point out XYZ about the player they believe is the best. And its need to be pointed out. Because if we didn’t compare like this then nobody would be the best.

Every player has different things and comparisons are a must. Regardless though I still feel what I said is maybe somewhat of a reason to believe why he’s in so many Top 3s

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him never bottom fragging is more to highlight his consistency, yay's prime was mostly because of chamber, he fell off as soon he got nerfed, and his current level is an even greater reason on why he cannot possibly be above Leo, which is why I disagree with ranking players based on their "prime" as being good on one agent in a specific meta doesn't make you a goat player imo, Chronicle is a great example of a player who's been on top no matter the meta, Leo has been insane since Guild, and we clearly saw the impact he had on FNC when he left, these are players who are just objectively good, they can adapt and don't have to rely on the right time and the right meta to pop off for a tournament or 2 and then fall off. Meteor was not even the best player on Gen G and is not doing the greatest on T1 atm, can't compare them imo

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Chamber definitely did help Yay, but one could argue that everyone was abusing chamber at the time, so why weren't they as good as him? Sure the agent was busted, but you can't discredit Yay's ability to maximize the potential of the agent and bring the best out of it. And Yay was also just as good the year before, when he was playing pretty much all Jett. Also I think it's unrealistic to expect players to be consistently good for MANY years, since meta evolves and new talents emerge and etc. The fact that Yay and Leo were able to stay at the top for 2 whole years in itself is already a huge achievement. Should we discredit Yay from his insane 2 year performance just because he wasn't able to maintain it year 3? If we're saying Leo is so good cuz he's been at the top for 2 years, why shouldn't we say the same for Yay?

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No one’s denying that yay’s prime was impressive, just like Demon1’s and countless others who popped off before eventually falling off. The difference with Leo is that he hasn’t fallen off yet, he’s maintained an insane level of performance for 4 straight years, you're comparing that to a 2 year peak followed by a huge collapse, yay was god awful on Disguised and BLEED and now he’s just average on EG. Leo’s been farming since 2021:
https://www.vlr.gg/10931/wieca-vs-guild-esports-champions-tour-europe-stage-1-challengers-2-open-qualifier-ro64
https://www.vlr.gg/12924/team-bds-vs-guild-esports-champions-tour-europe-stage-1-masters-decider-b

And I'm sure if Leo didn't get sick he probably would’ve kept going like this. People only started labeling it his “prime” because he started winning trophies with FNC but individually he’s always been that good. yay's prime on the other hand was defined mostly by his individual performances, big difference imo

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"Insane level of performance for 4 straight years" may be a stretch, plus you're just cherrypicking some games. But I agree, Leo has always been good, even before joining FNC. Yay was also good when he was on Andbox at the start of his career, too. Both have been good throughout their entire careers, but their "prime" was about 2 years each. The difference is Yay got to play through a 3rd and 4th year where his performance fell off, while Leo never had the chance to prove if he could maintain that insane level beyond two years. So it feels a bit unfair to compare their legacies directly when Leo left at the top, since we don't know what could've have happened. That missing “what if” makes the conversation tricky.

But I guess for now, since we don't know and may never know, it is fair to put Leo over Yay due to Yay's falloff

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yay is definitely up there for me but until Leo falls off it's a no brainer to me that he's top 3, Leo has always been playing like this too so what prime are we actually talking about? Him having a better team and actually win trophies while individually being the same player? Because if a player's prime is individual based, then he's been in his prime for 4 years, obviously he's improved but his numbers are not that different from 2021, I didn't even cherry picked I actually clicked on random games from 2021, you can go check them out if you want you'll see that his numbers are almost identical to his current numbers on FNC

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Well being on FNC and the team system definitely brought out the best of Leo. He was always a good player but FNC helped him reach higher peaks and unlock his potential

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to give u a genuine answer, i think it's because of the way he "went out"
during his dominant time in like 2023, he was the best in every way- and ppl could see that. not just in the clutches in games, but also in stats, which people LOVE looking at. (always top of score board, no first deaths, etc.) but how did he leave his time at the top? health reasons. it is much harder for people to shit on health reasons versus in your examples, yay had a very clear drop off, and meteor too (now +t1 seen as fluke win). because leo doesn't have a very memorable drop-off, the image of him in people's heads is still that perfect player from 2023 who has unfortunate health issues and cannot continue playing. + he is also glazed by like mini and other people so yeah

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cuz peaking him is same chance as peaking op

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Most overrated player of all time, left after having an incredibly mid Shanghai

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leo was top 5 in practically every event he's played since 2022, you say he wasn't in his prime in 2024 yet he dragged fnatic to shanghai with the rest of the team under performing if anything, he was only getting better.

I don't think you understand how impressive it is to be one of the best for 2+ years straight. aspas is good but he was never indisputably the best duelist itw at a single point of time, while leo was for more than a year.

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Yay was top 5 in every event he played in both 2021 and 2022. Just like Leo, he was one of the best for 2 years straight. In fact many could argue that Yay at his peak clears Leo at his peak, and Yay carried his team through many games as well. Why then, do we see Leo placed so much higher than Yay without hesitation? I'm not even a yay fanboy, just using him as an example because I'm genuinely curious.

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probably because of how awful yay has been in the past 2 years lol
I agree yay should be placed higher but these lists always have recency bias. as seen by people placing kangkang and jawgemo in their top 10

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I agree about the recency bias part, and I think its due to Leo taking a break from val at the perfect time. His team was crumbling and he was still looking good, so now when we think of Leo all we think about was his prime. If Yay retired after 2022, he'd probably be regarded higher than Leo

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Leo 1.3 rating on over 2000 rounds on Sova. No one comes close im sorry

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https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=61&region=all&min_rounds=500&min_rating=1550&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all

Leo #2 is closer to #10 zekken than he is to Aspas, having played less than half of the rounds Aspas played . How was Aspas NEVER the best duelist itw at a single point of time?

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thats an insane stat, I didnt know this
my faith in the cult grows everyday

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LEV aspas is extremely disrespected these days

When in truth its arguably the best form of a player in Valorant

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its funny because LEV aspas is the best he's ever been I think

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*top 5 in every event he's played since 2022 except for Masters Shanghai

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He had the benefit of quitting before everyone else caught up to him

I'm sure if he was playing now he would just be a great player

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But he didn’t quit tho, idk much recently but he was Ill (long covid) and that ish is nasty (eg Physics girl on yt)

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just another overrated player by western fans

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overrated player hes top 15 at most

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to anybody wondering the 3 players that are better are
Aspas
yay
demon1
All better than mid europe

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Aspas? ok. Other than that just shut up

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no troll i agree with you

He was the best player in the world and I know there was unfortunate circumstances preventing him from playing, but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't at the top for very long. He is insane no doubt, but because he left at basically his peak, we never really saw him "fall off" if that makes sense and that leads to many fans overrating him. Chronicle is much more impressive than him imo (ik he played when he was sick, but I'm not including those game in his peak performance obv)

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Definitely agree. Leo never had the chance to prove if he could maintain that insane level beyond two years. So it feels a bit unfair to compare his legacy directly with other people in the conversation since Leo left at the top and we don't know what could've have happened. That missing “what if” makes the conversation tricky. Solid top 5 imo, but a little overrated.

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outside of the stats n everything he played the game and understood it to a great level to maximize the chances of winning the round on deeper level than just if i kill more here we are better off. just recently mini did a vod review of geng.g vs rrq ill link it go to 57:27 and listen to him talk about how he likes to play the round and what he coaches. he gives an example to why leo was better than others. obviously mini is going to be biased to it but that way of thinking clearly holds some value due to FNC winning alot. along with his team being great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbZ-mo9_org

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leo played 2 years on high level and guys put he on top 3 oat, for me doesnt make sense

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Leo’s ability to play Valorant is something that we see once in a blue moon. His disciplined gameplay and being able to sometimes call plays on the spot while fragging insanely is rare. Mini also points out his game sense being almost unreplicable.

In Commend’s recent video, peeking Leo is equivalent to peeking someone who has an OP. Also only having 5 first deaths in Lock-In during his prime was insane.

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LOL bro made a new alt just for this post

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I agree that we can't rank him in the top 3 right now but I think what makes people put him there is the fact that he was easily the best player on one of the best teams in VCT and he could would make impossible plays possible, he would win FNC rounds they never should have won, he was pivotal in almost every FNC game, you could almost always rely on him in any situation, and in almost every game he had more impact than almost every other player in the server. Basically, Leo was so good that without him FNC probably wouldn't have won any trophies.

I think its also hard for people to compare active players and inactive players accurately since we only have the past to go off of for the inactive players vs being able to see the active players play in multiple meta's.

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You could argue the same for prime Yay, Aspas, Derke, Alfajer, TenZ, literally any other player in the conversation. That without them, X team wouldn't have won any trophies. Take the example of Yay. In his prime, he would win rounds for OPTIC/ENVY that they never should have won. You can rely on him in any situation. Would often take over the entire server. To use your words, he was easily the best player on one of the best teams in VCT at the time. And he did this for 2 years straight, just like Leo. You can make similar arguments for other players in the conversation.

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Nah, Leo been putting up basically same ACS numbers as Yay on support agents lol. With higher rating too. They are not the same.

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He is without a doubt the most consistently dangerous player to take a fight against and if it wasn't for his illness FNC would've had an even longer dynasty.

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Diffed by Lakia OMEGALUL
https://www.vlr.gg/348466/fnatic-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-ubqf/?game=all&tab=overview

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he was sick you melon

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So was Lakia 😂😂

Lakia of valorant >>> le0

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still remember his dumbass stat, in a 1v1 against him, he will kill you with as much efficiency as an op or sometimes maybe higher
basically meaning, you have a higher chance peeking into a op and winning compared to peeking into leo and winning

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Just watch the games and look at the stats for the first 2 thirds of 2023. As someone who watched almost every game that year, I can say for certain who was the best

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alfajer was their best player in 2023 tho

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Now i will give rationale answer to ur question. The reason why he is being consistently placed in top 3 despite being sick cuz

He is THE best initiator player oat. Period.
Has incredible firepower. As platoon said in his video, Peeking Leo is almost like peeking an AWP, almost most of the time u get shut down by Leo instantly when u peek him even though he has rifle with him
He is doing all of this while being a secondary caller for Fnatic. which is why Sliggy even rated Leo above aspas cuz if we look at all rounder perspective(can able to frag, mid round when needed, have the best util) he is better than aspas but i would like to say when it comes to ONLY firepower department, Aspas takes over him but in all rounder department? Leo takes that
additional point, he also did all of these 3 things in a grand final whilst having Headaches and being sick. Just proves even more like why people praise him so high.

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Unrelated perhaps but I do thing prime FPX Shao was on par with Leo but Leo's longevity was more and he was more consistent for a longer period

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Look at it this way, leo outplayed heretics to bring on the 0-2 comeback in last year stage 1 grand finals , and he did it without comming much and just killing everyone while he was heavily sick , also mini is undoubtedly one of the best coaches of all time with a great understanding of the game , he said he has never seen any player with mechanics or game sense as leo

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Guild Leo was world class though. Many ranked him as top 5 EMEA even back in 2021/20. Fnatic was just first team that he could win events with. He has been one of the most respected and highly rated EMEA players since forever pretty much and has shown over and over again how good he is and has won events.

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Just look at the stats? I can't find a player with better stats than him. Also two trophies on top of that. And the eye-test of just watching the man play.

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If Leo has the best stats why not put him over Aspas and Chronicle? Are you saying stats are all that matter? You replied to this post 3 times only talking about stats and not addressing any of my other points

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who cares man SAKA GOAT

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Also I do not understand the argument of "peeking Leo = peeking an op". Leo does have world class mechanical skill, but it's not like he's unanimously everyone's #1 for best aim itw. Whenever that conversation comes up we often see names like Aspas, Demon1, TenZ. Meteor, Primmie, Jemkin, Something, etc, along with Leo. So why can't we say "peeking aspas is like peeking an op"? Or anyone else on this list? Why is this argument only ever used to justify Leo's greatness, when there are several players with equal or arguably even more threatening raw aim? Why do we bring this up as if it's unique to Leo?

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Peeking aspas is just straight peeking an op