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are they supposed to be taken seriously or not? Like when people talk about it all they ever say is "oh yeah that podcast is full of ragebait and delusion and biases and they dont take themselves seriously so you are stupid if you do!" but when i watch it, its not like that at all

they very clearly do debate seriously and analyse the games, they try to be convincing and shit, they arent really ragebaiting. The only one there who doesnt really give a fuck and try to debate a lot is TMV, the other ones are clearly taking their own opinions very seriously.

So why does everyone act like taking platchat seriously is stupid? Is that not what they want?

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people are retards.

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vlr is just brain damaged

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wow its that time of the week again huh? bunch of mindless threads about platchat

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Every Monday

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yah like everyday there's a champs preds thread smh

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it’s entertainment brochacho they admit they’re rage baiting most of the time u seem to have fallen a victim of it

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i thought their job was analyze valorant but apparently they are professional ragebaiters

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They do both, you just gotta get when they're ragebaiting and when they're serious

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They analyze when riot pays them on official broadcasting

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they literally do both and the ragebait is so obvious

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except when ragebait is right (prx)

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They literally say every time that they're stupid and shouldn't be taken seriously as well as often ragebaiting, I think they make that very clear. But yes, of course they do try to seriously debate it sometimes, I don't think people realise how unpredictable this game is compared to others, it's very hard to know what is going to happen

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It's because they disagree with the opinions so they have to be stupid it's really not that bad at all and you can just not watch too

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Ragebait is just an expression for idiot people to try to hide their idiot opinions

Ever since they invented this expression, no one is ever just dumb anymore

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Veri

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its like they say this word and magically you cannot criticize anything they are saying. Like isnt that your job? Analyze Valorant?

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They are good at analysing Valorant, their job isn't to predict Valorant, it's incredibly hard to be good at that with this game

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Veri

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i dont want nor would ask them to be perfect, i just want a fair debate to happen, but its simply impossible because when i criticize their opinions im just met with a hord of retards saying im "falling for ragebait". Like, when they are right they are the professional analysts who know a lot about the game, but when they are wrong they are some internet trolls doing ragebait.

Its just not how it works, you are either a serious professional or you arent.

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They are allowed to be serious and unserious, it's insane to expect anyone to be one or the other, especially on a YouTube podcast that's primarily just for entertainment. But you are also completely allowed to criticise their opinions if you disagree, you've just got to realise that they do sometimes say things that are intentionally rage-bait (mainly Bren)

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Veri

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they can joke all they want, i just cant stand this crowd of minions they have who instantly appear to defend them whanever you criticize or make fun of one of the members

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well that depends what you mean by make fun of, but yeah you can criticise but people are also allowed to disagree or defend the person's opinion, works both ways man

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i agree with you but it gets to a point, they are literally rage baiting and look it’s working on everyone here 😭🥀

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Veri

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they are just not in a position to do so bro. We as random vlr users can ragebait all we want, but they are "professionals", they are literally paid to do it. If a football journalist starts emmiting shit opinions on his youtube channel and tries to justify it "because its ragebait", he is gonna look bad. its just the truth.

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But thats the thing. They ARE in a position to do this. This is platchat not the desk.

If they were ragebaiting on the desk (aside from the segments designed to just have fun on there too), Id get it, but this isnt that. They are on a show designed to entertain first.
The name "Platchat" isnt an accident.

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Its crazy that people expect them to be completely serious when on their podcast just because their job is to analyse Valorant, the podcast isn't their job, it's for entertainment

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nah man, i understand the point, i really do, but i just cannot agree. They shouldnt be calling teams/players/fanbases etc shit as a "joke", regardless of if they are in the broadcast or not. It just detracts from their analysts status and harms the subject of their conversation. They can joke about stuff of course, but when it involves the careers of others and shit, as professional analysts who have their opinion taken seriously by the public (for the most part), i just dont think they should do it

its whatever thou, they wont stop anyway

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And now youre at the point why the core assumption with platchat is always "theyre not being serious"
That way its not "professional analysts who have their opinion taken seriously by the public", but "platchat".

So just work your way around from the back. Everything is them being silly, unless you can hear their reason as to why it isnt.

(As a sidenote this isnt exclusive to esports either. The entertainment podcasts are everywhere in traditional sports too. Its just more fun to have lighthearted conversations instead of every talking point being backed with 300 pages of data.)

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You would be right if the opinions and takes they give on PlatChat werent the same takes(just a little more contained) that they say in the main VCT broadcast (the serious ones, not the "funny segments"), but people dont pay attention to that because they're all in watchparties

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(Aside from the fact that the desk has to intentionally create narratives... cause in an ideal world that shouldnt change their points being taken seriously)

But those are the parts of platchat you can engage with.
See my full comment (#14). Ofc theres actual opinions and analysis in there, but they are wrapped in weird segments, for fun narratives and just jokes/baits.
You can (and imo should) extract those opinions from the shows.

Entertainment first doesnt mean theres nothing of substance beneath it. But you have to do the extra step to get past the fluff.

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dont get me wrong, i find platchat funny and you're right, it is a mix, but its weird how "Ragebait" became an umbrella expression for everything dumb anyone says

its like: I can say whatever I want, no matter what it is, but its okay, I am just the Light Yagami of real life manipulating and baiting you guys into raging !

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Well no. Its an umbrella expression for everything dumb someone says with the intention of making people upset.
Ya dont really need to get hung up on people misusing it, theyre just being stupid themselves.

Platchat has a ton of jokes and wrong takes aside from ragebait too. Like compare Brens NRG take from "VCT Stage 2 Predictions and Power Rankings!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XdLzHyvco&t=9508s) last month, them ranking KRU 3rd in the same episode and Brens spreadsheet from this episode.

Theres ragebait - tried to be right but were horribly wrong - wrong but everyone knows its wrong so its clearly just a joke.
If someone labels the KRU take as ragebait theyre just wrong.

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Their job is to get views that earn money, sybau

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perfectly said, same thing happens in VLR and its "baits"

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targuin

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Well because its a mix.

You will have intentional ragebaits (e.g. the failed Leo one from bren at the start that no one responded to xD)

And then you will have the segments where they try to actually analys... BUT intentionally designed to never be accurate (e.g. "way too early rankings")

Lastly you have power rankings and pickems where they do just try to create accurate rankings, but obviously have to make a list that is a middle ground between all their individual opinions

So nah, as long as you watch the episode taking their serious segments seriously is fine - but for the explanations and not the resulting lists. But it is primarily entertainment and most segments are constructed with that in mind

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people dont like when other people have their own opinion

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Lil bronzilian got mad coz 'Valorant Analyst' have stopped validating their shitcan washed players like Asspas and garbage orgs like LOUD (who took advantage of no CIS-EMEA) have won 1 game out of their last 12 lmfao??

Did you forget ASSpas had a whopping 0.57 rating at the last event? He actually happens to be top 10 worst performers ever in an international VCT event, and don't worry he's nowhere near the top 10 when it comes to being the best lmfao

Keep crying and coping

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lmao

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If they are ragebaiting, then maybe they're better than I thought.

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Fuck Sideshow he was against PRX the whole run up to Toronto saying they would just be a wasted slot and things like that. People can claim “ragebait” all they want, that guy is a loser and a hack.

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THIS

i swear to god it anyoned me so fucking much seeing everyone online DEFENDING SIDESHOW ON THIS.

He literally called PRX exactly that: A waste of a spot in Toronto. Then, the PRX fans go and make fun of him because of his shit take and THEY ARE THE ONES IN THE WRONG??? THE PRX FANS???

lmao bro how, how can people can so mindlesly defend someone like that even when they say the most stupid shit ever

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just wanna know how old are you? serious question.

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Veri

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how old do you think i am

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alright bro the 6 year olds have feelings you can't be comparing them to ts

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gng, they're defending him bc the PRX fans took it way too seriously, he was just having fun on stream. TMV and sideshow pick random ass teams to become superfans or superhaters just to be able to banter and make bets with each other (ie wolves and xlg). He just did this to be antagonistic towards sliggy and get a good laugh. Y'all genuinely be taking the man that covered himself in butter for xi lai gaming too seriously.

people just get mad when he makes fun of their favorite teams as if its a personal attack, like TMV and SEN. its not that deep gng, its just banter

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ok but what is "way too seriously"? Saying he doesnt know shit about the game? That he is bad at his job? If thats what you think is "way too seriously" then you all are such softies. If they called him and his family insults, threatened his safety and shit like that, then THAT is taking it way too seriously. Anything other than that is biting but not liking to be bitten back.

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Firstly, the actual serious shit did happen to some extent. Sencondly, while I dont think the first ones are serious, I personally think they are unwarrented considering that the PRX "hatewatch" was just for shits and giggles on stream and it had nothing to do with his actual professional career. Like some poeple actually have a profound hatred of him just bc of this, which is totally unnecessary gng.

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i just think people are way too defensive on these casters and Valorant influencers. Suppose a PRX fan calls Sideshow a "waste of a spot in the casters desk", thats fucking hilarious and shouldnt be viewed as that PRX fan "hating on Sideshow" or taking shit too seriously, he is just provoking the guy that badmouthed his team first back

On football this happens all the time with journalists and rival fans, and there is zero problem with that. As you said, its just sports banter.

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I'd say it's the oppposite, the fans are too defensive of their org and see any banter as an attack. At the end of the day, you gotta undestand that these streamers like to start shit to bait engagement (on the sideshow PRX train vid TMV is literally talking abt how SEN and PRX make him more money if he clickbaits). You should be able to differentiate between the streamer personality and the actual professional aspect of it. I agree that it's just banter, but people hating on his professional side just because of the streamer entertainment aspect of it is unnecessary.

But at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want as long as its not extreme like threats and shit, I just think that this whole situation is a nothingburger and that the mfs that actually dislike him for it are stupid.

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wow man. my deepest condolences, it really must have sucked to go through that. words cannot express the sorrow in my heart from finding out about this tragedy, you're telling me he spoke badly about prx?

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wow man. my deepest condolences, it really must have sucked to go through that. words cannot express the sorrow in my heart from finding out about this tragedy, you're telling me I spoke badly about sideshow?

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i swear to god casters/youtubers fans are way worse than teams/players fans at this point

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you got some issues bro

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holy pressed

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i fall for this bait every time but are vlr users genuinely just autistic? i feel like with even a little bit of social awareness you can tell the difference between when they are doing serious analysis vs completely trolling

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they aren't and unironically that's the problem we need more of it

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I legit don't think people have social awareness anymore, it baffles me how often people struggle to tell when someone is clearly joking or being sarcastic

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vlr users that comment the most are usually braindead and call anything that goes against their shitty takes ragebait

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"are they supposed to be taken seriously or not?"
Both, sometime they will troll to be fun and content, and sometime they will give banger analysis, just analysis everything with a critical mind and we are all good

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They're analysts. Ones that run a comedic podcast where the main draw is just that they talk about the game, are passionate about it, and have fun. They're mostly serious with their analysis, but they're not trying or claiming to be 100% accurate in their predictions or power rankings, and it isn't—nor should it be—a big deal if they're wrong at times or are clearly biased/playing things up. Some people take the shit they say and predict way to seriously, and that's where a lot of the hate comes from tbh.

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or more like sliggy and mini is the analyst, others are not really.

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I only find mini doing analysis for some reason

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everyone knows sliggys the goat. argue with a wall.

i dont understand platchat