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sheesherz

The porn industry is full of sex trafficking and child porn. GirlsDoPorn was a pornography company active from 2009 to 2020 and sex trafficked many girls. Some were tricked and then forced to be in pornography under the guise of doing a photo shoot. Other girls were already porn stars who agreed to do some things then were forced to do things they didn't consent to when they got to the set.

The content of these video was pretty much as brutal as it gets in terms in mainstream porn. The cameraman is behind many other companies. He likes to degrade the women a lot and has a very distinct voice. In my research I've realised he is the same guy behind Facial Abuse and MyKinkyGFs as well as others. If anyone knows his name please let me know.

The girls on GirlsDoPorn (GDP) were always young, 18-22. They were for the most part women who had never done pornography and this was because these women are easier to manipulate and control. GDP had fake modelling websites such as BeginModeling, ModelingGigs, ModelingWork, and Bubblegum Casting. GDP would post advertisements for these sites on craiglists in small towns and college towns. It's important to note that these advertisements were for clothed and nude modelling but either way, these girls were not applying for pornography.

The men at the company would use fake names whilst contacting the girls. Once the girls had applied there were two ways things could go. Here's the first way. They would inform the girl that this shoot was actually for sex on camera and that the girl would be paid $4000 - $6000 and said that these videos would only be sold on dvds that would be purchased by private clients and only sold in countries outside the US. The other way thing could go is GDP would offer women the chance to partake in pornography as well as their modelling shoot. When the women would only want to do the modelling shoot they got to San Diego only to be forced into doing pornography out of fear.

The girls when offered the chance to do porn were refereed to "reference girls". Women who were hired to lie to these girls about their experience with GDP to reassure the girls into doing scenes. Many girls recieved constant contact from the company until they agreed.

GDP employees had to sign NDAs and were forbidden from mentioning the name 'Girls Do Porn' to the girls were instead told to call the company Plus One Media and would also deny that the videos would be published online. The girls were hurried to sign contracts that also excluded the name 'Girls Do Porn'. Once at the shoot the girls would do pornography shoots that lasted hours, despite being told that it would be a 30 minute shoot (if they were told that they were going to do a porn movie at all). The sex was violent and many of the women experienced vaginal bleeding, vaginal tearing, bleeding and vomiting. If the girls looked not into it they were forced to do it over and over again. When the women would try to withdraw they were told it was too late. Many were blackmailed and told that they would tell their family about the video if they refused to continue. The door exit was often blocked by men so the woman couldn't leave.

One victim said the male model, Garcia, forced a paint sponge into her vagina and forced to film after she said she couldn't film due to menstruation.

The girls then weren't paid, with the men using excuses such as the girls not looking as good as they did in the pictures they sent or looking too old.

Co-creator Matthew Wolfe was on the FBI's Most Wanted List.

I'll leave with this: https://youtu.be/VVHJW5j7cYQ

That video is one of the victims detailing her experience. How it destroyed her relationships with her family, how she is unable to enjoy sex now, how it has trumatised her. Her and the other Jan Does who made a case against GDP now have the rights to their videos but have to keep taking videos down.

The saddest thing is GPD is not an exception. Porn is full of this stuff. So many porn videos feature underage girls, coerced girls, girls being raped on camera forced to pretend they enjoy it. And I can promise you that at some point you have contribute to this. These things cannot exist without consumers. Stop consuming porn.

Edit: extra information and things I forgot to mention. Also, typos.

The men involved in this were: Michael Pratt (co-owner), Matthew Wolfe (co-owner), Ruben Andre Garcia (performer/producer), Theodore Wilfred Gyi (camerman), Valorie Moser (bookkeeper).

Michael Pratt became a fugitive in 2019 and was placed on the FBI's most wanted list. He was found in Spain in December 2022 and is awaiting trial. Matthew Wolfe has plead guilty to conspiracy to commit sex trafficking by force, fraud and coercion but denies other charges. I couldn't find information on what his sentencing is. Ruben Andre Garcia has ben found guilty and sentenced to twenty years in prison. Theodore Gyi and Valorie Moser have been found guilty but their sentencing keeps being delayed.

taken from this

if you're addicted, you will know, stop lying to yourself, no one can stop your decisions except yourself. you have free will. use it.

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never did ^_^

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hmmmm

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does hentai count?

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Common qwerttyy w

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Nice, I need to improve since I watch 0-16 vids a month 🙁🙁🙁

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bro, i just waste my time reading and talking in VLR
what's porn?

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bro ur name is pinto.......

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lkkkkkkkkkk

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what happens with that???

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is penis in portuguese

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xd q random

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nop just in brazil Pinto in Portugal its a name or a animal

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ain’t reading allat

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ACTUALLY very intestering and informative

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While the issues highlighted about the GirlsDoPorn company and its exploitation of young women are deeply troubling and raise important concerns about the porn industry, it's essential to present a balanced view and consider the following counter-arguments:

Not all porn is exploitative: While it's true that there have been cases of exploitation and unethical practices in the porn industry, it's crucial to recognize that not all porn falls under this category. There are many adult performers who enter the industry willingly, with proper consent, and work in safe and regulated environments.
Consenting adult performers: There are adult performers who engage in pornography as a consensual career choice. They have the agency to make their own decisions and are not forced into the industry against their will. It's important to differentiate between consensual adult performers and those who are exploited or trafficked.
Regulated and ethical companies: There are porn production companies that prioritize the well-being and safety of their performers, adhere to legal standards, and enforce strict consent protocols. The actions of a few unethical companies shouldn't be generalized to the entire industry.
1. Focusing on criminal elements: The focus should be on addressing criminal activities, such as sex trafficking and exploitation, rather than demonizing an entire industry. Law enforcement should investigate and prosecute those responsible for such crimes.
Personal responsibility: While it's essential to hold individuals and companies accountable for their actions, it's also crucial for consumers to exercise responsible choices. Engaging with ethical and consensual adult content can help support a more ethical side of the industry.
1. Addressing root causes: To combat exploitation and trafficking, society should address the root causes that lead individuals into vulnerable situations, such as poverty, lack of education, and social inequality.
2. Stigmatization and harm reduction: Stigmatizing porn consumption may lead to more harm than good. Instead, promoting harm reduction strategies, comprehensive sex education, and open dialogues can create a more informed and aware society.

It's important to recognize the gravity of the issues raised and take action to protect individuals from exploitation while also acknowledging that not all aspects of the adult industry are inherently problematic. Striving for a balanced understanding is crucial when discussing complex and sensitive topics like this.

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sheesherz

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ai generated. what does AI know about the exploitative industry, and whose information, is funded AND favours it? it just regurgitates what they feed it. And there's plenty of misinformation about porn on the internet.

personally, im more concerned that you're defending this degeneracy.

Fight The New Drug.

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Dear sheesherz,

I hope this message finds you well. I want to address something that has been on my mind since we last spoke. I must admit that I didn't handle things properly, and I feel the need to be honest and apologize.

When I received your long text, I made a mistake in how I responded. Instead of being upfront and engaging with it, I used AI to generate a reply, and for that, I am deeply sorry. My intention was never to disrespect you or disregard your thoughts, but I realize now that it was not the right approach. I should have taken the time to read and understand your message fully, and I regret not doing so.
The truth is, I felt overwhelmed by the length of your text at the moment, and instead of being upfront about it, I took the easy way out. I realize that was a mistake, and I should have communicated my feelings more openly with you.

I want you to know that I have learned a valuable lesson about the importance of open communication and respecting your efforts in sharing your thoughts with me. I sincerely apologize for not treating your text with the attention and consideration it deserved.

If you feel hurt or upset by my actions, I understand, and I want to make amends. I promise to be more mindful of my behavior and ensure that I don't repeat such a mistake in the future.

Thank you for understanding and giving me the opportunity to explain myself. I hope we can move past this.

Sincerely,

Hard2Decipher

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lmao

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sheesherz

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ok.

Sincerely,

Sheesherz

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Porn is bad for mental health I know it and i believe it.
I expect that internet has weirdos and if you're defending pornography then you're one of them

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It is bad for physical health too.
If you watch it and do the act before sleeping I tbh wake up tired (like today)
Whereas if you refrain from doing that in 2-3 days you'll just feel more energetic and rejuvenated.
Also refraining for long periods also helps improve focus (my local doctor told me this)

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Nrg_Finesse_

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Same bro same fucking shit when I used to wake after doing the act the whole day was ruined bro.
Focus grows , self confidence grows and most important of all, Porn promotes weird expectations from sex

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great research👍

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I got confused when

In my research

lmao

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Thank god i only watch r/valorantrule34

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same we safe with Sage

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This is kind of old news. Anyway....

You have to realize and admit that not all porn and/or sex work = GirlsDoPorn (or other similar endeavors) and their horrible trafficking practices

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They think everyone that works in that scene are like Andrew Tate using Loverboy method to "force" someone to do it.

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sheesherz

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"not everyone"

just because tons of other companies in this shady industry didn't get caught, it doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility, at the same time. its just irresponsible to just carry on as if nothing happened, its a thing and it should be one of the reasons people stop, as well as a copious amount of harms and terrors this habit entails.

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The thing is, the top actress in the industry are treated well. The top companies usually treats their workers right. But there are also a lot of girls still being exploited that we just don’t know about. A lot are still being forced to do it. It definitely still happens sadly

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sheesherz

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I just thought of this

"this is like saying, just because covid didn't kill everyone, doesn't mean we should take the vaccine" 🔥🔥🔥

this is an exact metaphor, because, covid is porn, and it is being influenced everywhere, whether you watch it or not, and some people contract the disease, and some people don't. (like covid)
I am spitting fr

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did you just compare sex work with a virus?

wow... and I was taking you seriously for a moment there. Nobody said to carry on watching content provided by such comapnies, sex trafficking is horrible, absolutely, but your take is completely braindead.

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sheesherz

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unironically yes. porn is a disease, and even non porn watchers are affected by it. These harms manifest in multiple ways, from shifting societal norms to impacting intimate relationships. im sorry you don't see the nuane in my argument, but try and look at it from a different perspective.

It sets unrealistic expectations and standards, fuels harmful attitudes towards sexuality and consent, and can contribute to a culture that normalizes exploitation, abuse and degeneracy.. These effects are similar to the 'second-hand' impacts of a virus, impacting individuals who are not directly involved. oral sex has become widespread, more wild and disgusting kinks and deprave acts have also become widespread because it takes a whole lot to get turned on now, the normal stuff doesn't cut it for them. cheating has also become normalised, men get insecure, women aren't satisfied as they were used to, men become unsatisfied because they want their women to become like pornstars leading to cheating. all of this affects society, and the way we view things subconsciously, sex is on peoples mind more, more degenerates hide in sheep's clothing. huge reform is needed. this is why I compare it to a disease, white blood cells are needed.

not to mention that cocaine addicts and porn consumers' brains have the same patterns if not worse; what kind of effect does that have on society if they are all dirty minded and dopamine fuelled? why kind of horrors do people like your sister and mother have to go through?

women are speaking up against it: https://www.reddit.com/r/PornIsMisogyny/

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As someone that studied psychology, you're completely incorrect. Substance vs Porn is actually quite different. While porn interacts with similar parts of the brain as cocaine, it's not activation that causes someone to be addicted. For porn to be addictive, a compulsive or obsessive behavior is required. For substances, simple consumption is what's necessary, because substances actually change the chemical compound in the brain circuits.

For many, simple porn consumption can be normal, or even healthy part of their lives (and this is scientifically proven, assertion supported by medical professionals). The problem occurs when behavior changes from its normal/moderate parameters.

TL;DR: You're dumber than rocks bruh, don't try to sound smart when you're clearly not.

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you can go ahead and clearly dismiss my argument simply for the fact that you are apparently much more smarter than I am. you still have not answered an ample part of my argument,

sure I may not have studied psychology, but it won't change the evidence; it does effect your brain in a negative way.

5:06: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1CkUhfHSxQ he is literally a medical and Harvard professional.
he said "porn addiction is the closest to substance abuse"

Pornography addiction is a targeted way to activate the brain.
Downstream from porn use, sexual dysfunction is observed due to physical, neuroscientific, and psychological aspects.

I don't care if you're right and im wrong, the fact of the matter is, its a thing and its not due to "obsessive behaviour" and its very easy to get addicted.

and btw, there are no benefits to porn use, all "research" you mentioned was probably funded by porn companies to hide the blaringly abundant evidence there was against it. please stop spreading misinformation. just ask real people instead.

here are further evidences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qJHRvHU8IM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gNHeZkUx80

just think about who is the loser if porn gets abolished. its a 97 billion dollar industry.

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You need to learn what confirmation bias is. You're simply coming with evidence that is specifically tailored to support your narrative, while ignoring the fact that all of it is centered around the scenario which I previously called: "compulsive behavioral usage of porn content".

It is very easy to return with an argument that similarly only looks at one part of the subject in question and give you this scientific paper: https://academic.oup.com/book/39816/chapter-abstract/339938700?redirectedFrom=fulltext , but this would again be disingenuous and would not tackle the subject in-full.

Even in the two videos you provided, both professionals admit at the beginning of their interviews that they're not saying that porn in general is bad... give that a thought, ask yourself what that means. Actually this is addressed in one of the videos you shared, here you go have a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=641&v=y1CkUhfHSxQ&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=ChrisWilliamson

But reality, as previously mentioned, is that in itself normal consumption of porn is not inherently negative, with the only possible exception being exposure to a developing brain (since it alters the learning process of sex ed), nor does it have any provable negative effects on the brain. This is simply a FACT (that you have a hard time understanding or coming to terms with), outlined, ironically or not, even by the resources that you thought will prove you right.

You can be genuine to yourself and actually research this more in-depth rather than look for arguments that support your narrow view. I'm done wasting time trying to educate adolescent incels on here. Later

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you called it sex work 😂 😂 😂

youre missing the point tho, its not just about sex trafficking, its about the decadence and wickedness of the industry as a whole.

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I'm not calling it that... that's what it is called.

I get your point, but it's a dumb point that is subjective and quite irrelevant. That same point can be made by many things in live that an individual can find to be harmful. The attributes that you listed can be applied to stuff like religion, acting, politics, etc, etc. Your normality can be someone else's decadence and vice-versa. This industry doesn't work in a vacuum like you're trying to portray it.

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OF is sex trafficking? ok 🙄

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the dudes a swerf the idea of consensual porn is too complex for his ilk.

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damn, i kinda wanted to watch NA vs EMEA

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allat.....

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allat
10 words

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ALLAT

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Who asked

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Not my problem so who cares

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Imagine if someone you cared about, like a friend or sibling, were deceived and abused in the way these women were and others dismissed it with 'not my problem, so who cares.' Even if you personally are not affected, concern for others are what hold us together as a society and allow us to tackle injustices.

consider this: imagine you're in a new city and you lose your wallet. You're alone, without any means of getting back home or even buying food. It's not the responsibility of the people around you to help you out – after all, it's 'not their problem.' But wouldn't you hope that someone, recognizing your distress, would step in to assist or at least express concern? Similarly, just because the exploitation and harm happening in the porn industry doesn't affect us directly, it doesn't mean we should dismiss or ignore it. Our silent acceptance and indifference is also a direct consequence.

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also, im not replying to you now, im just using your response as a scapegoat rn dw:

On another note, consider the reaction to the announcement of the European Super League. Many people, including some who weren't directly stakeholders, rallied vehemently against it. They viewed it as a threat to the sport they love - a form of entertainment - and voiced their concerns loudly. Media personalities, fans, and even people who weren't typically invested in football joined the chorus of opposition.

Yet when it comes to the porn industry - a sector often designed to exploit individuals and involving real, significant harm - there's often a chilling silence or a dismissive 'not my problem' attitude. This stark contrast highlights a concerning inconsistency in our societal response. We need the same energy that was directed against the Super League to be used in confronting all forms of exploitation, including those happening behind the scenes of the content we consume.

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bro made an article about porn in VLR

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Ain't reading allat, hentai is the best🗿

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feel like the thing you should be targeting here is exploit and coercion for profit-seeking instead of simply porn, no?

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Hasn’t Barbie taught you anything?

Doesn’t the fact that thousands and thousands of mediocre looking woman make a living on only fans and porn prove that the industry is GOOD for woman?

Your toxic masculinity is disgusting! 🤮

Acting like every liberated woman who does porn is a lost soul that is “taken advantage of”

Talentless and average looking woman deserve to make good money! It’s their asshole! They can show it to whoever they want.

We don’t need some white knight savor “man” telling us we can’t handle our selves.

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try to breathe lil bro

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sheesherz

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I would love for you to take a look at this buddy, and they are justified in their thinking, albeit, emotionally hurt. and rightly so, it ruins everyone around the person. it destroys everything it touches. its a poison, just because you consume it with your eyes, doesn't mean it isn't going in.

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btw I can't tell if this is satire, it reads like it hahaha

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I need some water
Something came over me
Way too hot to simmer down
Might as well overheat

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i only fap to pirated of content so im good

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bro, just because you consume it with your eyes, doesn't mean it isn't going in. its poison/drugs, in the form of visual content.

this is a porn consumer's brain on porn, vs a literal drug addicts brain on drugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gNHeZkUx80

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but how does this affect lebron’s legacy?

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Internet is getting weird and weird everyday

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explain in fortnite terms pls

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I only get off to EMEA dominating NA in tactical shooter sadly

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I read hentai so I'm safe
also yeah most mainstream porn is pretty unethical but there is lots of ethical porn today compared to even 10 years ago

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LMAOOO
why does u read hentai bro :l

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cuz the animated shit looks like cardboard being rammed into each other
I like to have a story to get me going, more invested, and way better art

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424960

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vanilla with good art?
Based bonkers flair as always, thank you OrangeKatsu

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the fact that you're praising vanilla in the midst of the most degenerate content that this stuff has, just shows you how depraved this whole industry is.
its like the standard has a become so low nowadays, and its getting lower and lower.

pedophillia and incest is becoming normalised, people are reading more and more weird mangas, making memes, detaching themselves from the horrifying situations that these innocents have to go through.

its not just western and Japanese content, its everyone who contributes, its needs removal, and people need reformation, its not an excuse.

please, wake up for your own sake, I tell everyone reading this from the most vulnerable part of my heart.

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wait how is pedophilia getting normalised

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You don't gotta entertain him. Hes just a malding swerf. These people are unable to comprehend the idea of consent or non-exploitative porn properly.

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imagine addicted to porn KEKW

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allat

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vou ler nao mano, ver sacanagem é gostoso demais e ajuda na mira

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Kkkkkkkkkkk q porra eh essa mlk tu fica com mira cansada demais

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to this I say, care about your brain at least, there is no difference between a coke addict and porn consumers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gNHeZkUx80

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Who hurt you

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How about hentai

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allat

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Is this a copypasta joke or something that i don't get? or actually SERIOUS PORN discussion on VALORANT forum????
wtf?????

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nah I figured most people here are guys and would also watch porn so I posted it here.

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You don't want people to bust a nut in a stressful, predatory, dehumanizing capitalist system? We spend the majority of our lives doing shit we don't want to do and your worried about people looking at butts on their phone 🐊

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you're actually crazy to blame your perceived problems and then justify watching exploited teenage girls, as "looking at butts on their phone". can't have a hint of empathy for people who were literally raped, imagine if it was your sister or mother! read the horrors of this post fully, and realise what you're dealing with. your pride is not above this blaring problem.

I know we're all against misoginy here so just take a look at these women experiences against it: https://www.reddit.com/r/PornIsMisogyny/

every time you watch it, I want you to think about one of your female family membesr in the same situation that these women go through.

you can't and you won't, because its absolutely disgusting. lower your ego and your desires. be better.

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I'm not talking about the victims of whatever operation you're referring to. Like others stated there's plenty of porn that isn't exploitive. You linked a video of some religious dude doing a cat scan on a 70 year old who's cognitively impaired and claimed that's evidence that porn causes severe brain damage lol. There's mass shootings in Florida and Texas every week because you don't even need a permit for an assault rifle and all you post about on here is anime and porn bad. If you want to make a difference in the world, try evaluating the severity of current problems and start from the top. Mental health, the environment, the economy, and readily available military weapons for the average joe are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger problems.

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man you really are deflecting and dismissing SO MUCH huh. are you denying evidence from a Harvard qualified psychiatrist?. this stuff is prevalent for the current generation, over 50% of kids aged 12 are exposed to this degenerate content. it fries their dopamine receptors, and you can probably what kind of effect that has on a child, who just discovered the next sugar high. 41% of kids watch it at school!! think about that. it is a 97 BILLION DOLLAR industry, that is no small achievement, and unfortunately, this issue will only become more prevalent with how society progresses, it seeps into mental health, and it will become much harder to avoid anyone who is innocent, and was never exposed to porn, which, in this day and age, is a crazy thought. this effects society as a whole and is a MUCH bigger problem than those you mentioned, since everyone has a phone and a private space nowadays, which is all you need.

have you even seen the horrific content that Hentai produces? let alone the industry as a whole? peoples limits are further being challenged becoming more and more depraved, women who do not want nothing to do with such kinks are being peer pressured since its so normalised, because the industry promotes such extreme stuff that men and women can't even think about intimacy without pornographic acts. its become numbing, pushing boundaries to terrible limits.

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Dr. K has no idea what he's talking about which is why he's a twitch streamer rather than an actual clinical psychiatrist lol. "This is a much bigger problem than those you mentioned" oh, watching porn is worse than innocent people dying to mass shootings? So much for that whole empathy thing you were talking about huh?

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If you think all porn is exploitative or predatory it's just an insane self report as to what you're actually watching 💀. Yes the company you originally brought up is predatory but an inability to conceive of consensual porn is just a self report... Amateur porn exists OF exists plenty of porn exists divorced from the capitalistic system in which we live in. Voyeurism is a thing. All I'm hearing is "I only watched studio produced porn like Bangbros and now insist that all porn is exactly the same." If anything it just goes to show that you never considered consent when watching porn to begin with 💀.

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read my other replies, we are vehemently against ALL whether it be cam girls, OF, amateur, hentai, and all the in-between. anything that is a poison on the human mind is a threat. protect yourself.

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And read my other comment. It's good you're showing your true colors now you're just a puritanical malding swerf.

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so basically all you're saying is that I am against porn for the wrong reasons? that's pathetic, and you know it. its like saying people who give charity give it to feel good instead of helping the poor.

its an amalgamation of reason, and if it didn't effect people's minds, it would still be exploiting woman, meaning, your sister, your mother, your daughter, and that is a reason to fight for. if it still was ALL consensual, it would create unrealistic standards for women since men would want to try out the acts, and they would be peer-pressured by other women. and if still this was solved, it would create mental health problems in men/women, anxiety, guilt, etc, and if this was solved, it would increase in violence, why? because of porn acting, different extreme genres, etc, people watch and try and reenact and someone would be an uneasy victim. but I know that no amount would satisfy you tho since you already called me a swerf, first time im hearing of the term lol.

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Read the other comment I just posted (and lets just talk there its far easier than switching b/w threads) you don't care about the people affected by the ideas you put forth nor do you take their wishes into account. Your views on sex work are fueled by ego religion and an overall level of brain rot.

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another problem is how easy teenagers and kids can access porn online, shit is unbelievably fucking easy, something gotta change man

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"1 porn company is bad so all porn is bad" wow there's a lot to unpack there.

Sex work (including porn) is not inherently exploitative or misogynistic. Yes the company you bring up is horrific evil and a lot of those dudes should probably be in jail. This is true for a lot of porn studios (and don't even get me started on JAV that shit is shady asf) but that is not the entirety of porn. Solo produced porn exists. OF with consenting couples exists. Amateur porn exists. To imply that to enjoy porn is to consume child sex and rape is wildly disingenuous and if anything just goes to show that you were watching a lot of evil shit without using your brain.

To imply that everyone who consumes porn is contributing to this issue is again simply an insane self report 💀. Just because you never considered the consent of the models involved in the porn you were watching doesn't mean that no one else did either. Just because you only consumed studio produced porn doesn't mean everyone else does either.

Finally lets not kid ourselves. You don't actually care about porn addiction it's pretty clear your issue with porn isn't the fact that some people are addicted to it it's that it exists in the first place. Just like with all other things in life porn can be consumed with restraint and without addiction. You're using the standard SWERF tactic of "Oh no porn companies are generally bad so lets stop porn" ignoring that this will guaranteed deprive women of jobs and income that are not exploitative. There's a reason the vast majority of actual sex workers (yes including porn stars) will tell you that they are against the outright removal or banning or porn. Instead of looking at the issue and attempting to advocate for actual reforms that would help these women exist and do their jobs without facing potential exploitation or rape you decide to go nuclear and say "Oh no we've gotta stop this who cares if that leaves you unemployed and without a source of income and who cares if it was possible for this to exist in a fully consensual an ethical manner."

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based. in his replies he called porn a disease lol hes just moralizing

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Hes not moralizing hes a swerf. He doesn't give a shit about actual sex workers (just the people most directly affected by this stuff 💀) or their thoughts. Standard brain rot. Crazy to see it here tho 💀

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true. bro should be against eating food too since farming labour is extracted similarly

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no way you're calling me misogynist. go read my other replies, I answered your point about the 1 company thing. also this "self report" thing makes no sense. you're attempting to call me a hypocrite, when I in fact do not deny that I didn't watch porn at one point, but after seeing the copious amounts of research + evidence that was suppressed against it, including what effects it has on our society AS A WHOLE, changed my view.

again, I advise you to read the women here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PornIsMisogyny/

a recent very thoughtful post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PornIsMisogyny/comments/15cwisj/no_compromises_fighting_against_pornography_and/

they are victims of this stuff, who have nothing to do with porn or being exploited.

and the problem of porn is that its so free and easily accessible, it is very similar substance abuse, like Dr. K mentioned in his interview I linked above.

stop deflecting and embrace the problem. denial is the first step to acceptance.

and stop trying to make it a real "job" it feels desire, and you cannot sugar coat it by putting "ethical" and "consensual" next to it.

this "job" is being advocated against by former P Stars!! evidence

I know that any amount of evidence will result you in saying "not all companies" but the evidence is clear, read it, the denial can only go on for so long.

just because tons of other companies in this shady industry didn't get caught, it doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility, at the same time. its just irresponsible to just carry on as if nothing happened, its a thing and it should be one of the reasons people stop, as well as a copious amount of harms and terrors this habit entails.

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"no way you're calling me misogynist" never did you're just making stuff up now.

"also this "self report" thing makes no sense. you're attempting to call me a hypocrite" nope not calling you a hypocrite just a dumb ass who never thought about the state the models of the porn he consumed faced. Not my fault your only experience of porn is non-consensual porn.

"again, I advise you to read the women here" and i suggest you read the women
here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1016/S0968-8080%2809%2934469-9
and here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/05/sex-worker-activist-laura-lee-northern-ireland-law-challenge-interview
and here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/camgirlnotesfr/tits-and-sass-getting-away-with-hating-it-consent--t4054.html
and here: https://thinkprogress.org/sex-workers-rally-capitol-ask-new-york-lawmakers-to-pass-legislation-to-keep-them-safe-9e8213a484c7/
and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLcedaIWzc&t=24s
and here: https://www.nswp.org/sites/nswp.org/files/norway_sex_workers_cedaw_shadow_report_pion_-_2017.pdf

You don't care about sex workers you just want to enforce a puritanical world view that actively hurts women.

"a recent very thoughtful post" yeah I don't give a shit what a random man thinks about sex work while having never interacted with existed within or even met someone who works within the sex work industry. That guy does not have a place at the table in this discussion.

"stop deflecting and embrace the problem" I was pretty head on and unlike you am not the one avoiding the thoughts and wishes of actual sex workers.

"and stop trying to make it a real "job" it feels desire, and you cannot sugar coat it by putting "ethical" and "consensual" next to it." it is a very real job with merit in our society. "if feels desire" is not a complete sentence but I imagine you meant "it fuels desire" which again is just using puritanical religious rhetoric to try and act superior. And your inability to conceive of consensual porn is pathetic at best.

"this "job" is being advocated against by former P Stars!! evidence" your evidence is women criticizing the porn industry because there is very good reason to do so. However, criticism is not the same as calling for its removal all together (what you're doing). No where in this article are the women actually calling for the end of the porn industry (which is crazy btw since it uses out of context quotes and is a SWERF website but that just goes to show you how flimsy that argument is).

"I know that any amount of evidence will result you in saying "not all companies" but the evidence is clear, read it, the denial can only go on for so long." never said that and never will I quite outwardly criticize studio produced porn in my original comment but you pretend like that is the only porn in existence. Your only counter argument to the existence of amateur porn OF and solo porn is simply pasting a SWERF subreddit.

"just because tons of other companies in this shady industry didn't get caught, it doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility, at the same time. its just irresponsible to just carry on as if nothing happened, its a thing and it should be one of the reasons people stop, as well as a copious amount of harms and terrors this habit entails." agreed but again you pretend like studio produced porn is the only porn to exist. And

Have a read through the NSWP's website (a group run by actual sex workers instead of that swerf website u sent) and educate yourself: https://www.nswp.org/who-we-are

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If sex work was truly empowering then men would be the ones pressuring women from not doing it and insist that sex work is a man's job.

If it is so empowering why don't more men participate in porn/prostitution?

The customers are men so that is who you are serving and who you are relying on for your income, you have to meet their needs, or you are out of work. Who is in control? How is that empowering?

The porn industry/sex industry is specifically known for targeting the most vulnerable girls/women specifically to groom them into the sex industry. They are taking advantage of the feminist movement to once again have women giving men exactly what they want. It’s not empowering, it’s a scam to feed into patriarchal ideals.

If it’s so empowering, why don’t we bring sex workers career day for children?

If it’s so empowering, how would you react if your 13 year old told you they wanted to be a SW when they grow up?

If it is empowering why do men look down on sex workers? Why don’t they want their partners to be sex workers?

Does the woman make the full value of labour?

Does she have a say in the conditions scenarios the studio may put her in or must she just accept it?

50% of the videos on pornhub are taken down each year because they either had child sexual abuse material or revenge abuse material

Why is it that people are concerned that their sneakers might have been stitched together by a 12-year-old in China, yet so unconcerned that the ‘consensual sex act’ they’re viewing online might actually be a very non-consensual act of child rape?

this is not a me vs you situation, its an us vs them situation , and we are not on the winning side if we keep fighting on this.

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"If sex work was truly empowering then men would be the ones pressuring women from not doing it and insist that sex work is a man's job." Yes men actively do that currently (ahem you ahem). There is immense stigma around sex work. Men actively shame women who do OF. You just closed your eyes to the world.

"If it is so empowering why don't more men participate in porn/prostitution?" "The customers are men so that is who you are serving and who you are relying on for your income, you have to meet their needs, or you are out of work. Who is in control? How is that empowering?" You are right the demand for sex work mostly (but not entirely) comes from men (hence why there are fewer male sex workers). As for the second point you didn't read the sources I linked. Go ahead I'll wait it is not my place to speak for sex workers or their own views on this topic so I suggest you go back and do some reading.

"If it’s so empowering, why don’t we bring sex workers career day for children?" "If it’s so empowering, how would you react if your 13 year old told you they wanted to be a SW when they grow up?" "If it is empowering why do men look down on sex workers? Why don’t they want their partners to be sex workers?" Again go back and do the reading that I linked you it's not my place to speak for women here (like you're doing).

"Does the woman make the full value of labour?" Thats just not a coherent sentence.

"Does she have a say in the conditions scenarios the studio may put her in or must she just accept it?" Go back and do that reading. For gods sake dude 10 minutes worth of reading would've made 80% of this comment irrelevant.

"50% of the videos on pornhub are taken down each year because they either had child sexual abuse material or revenge abuse material" Yes child sexual exploitation is bad. You again are unable to address OF, solo porn, and amateur porn.

"Why is it that people are concerned that their sneakers might have been stitched together by a 12-year-old in China, yet so unconcerned that the ‘consensual sex act’ they’re viewing online might actually be a very non-consensual act of child rape?" because unlike your shoes you are able to easily consume porn that is not non-consensual child porn. Just because you don't do your research before consuming porn doesn't mean others don't. But ofc many many many people are concerned about exploitation within porn but unlike you they are able to understand that consensual porn exists.

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do you work for the NSWP? it seems like the Dutch fund this cause quite a bit.

https://robertcarrfund.org/funding

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what's the dutch have to do with anything

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he saw the flag of Luxembourg and thought it was the dutch flag.

*edit saying flag of the netherlands is more accurate in hindsight

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nope I'm not dutch (I just clicked a random flag when i first made this acc since i didnt think id ever really use it but oh well) nor do i work for the NSWP I just care what actual sex workers think about this issue unlike you.

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here's my full response:

Thank you for your input. However, I believe that the fact men shame women who engage in sex work supports my point that this industry is not empowering. If it were truly empowering, it would be universally accepted and not stigmatized.

The issue is not only about the number of men participating in porn/prostitution. My point is that relying on a customer base, which is predominantly male, puts the sex workers in a vulnerable position where they may have to compromise their boundaries to meet the demands of the customers. This is not a reflection of empowerment.

The question regarding the 'full value of labor' was about whether a sex worker gets compensated fairly for their work. Studies indicate many are not, and this exploitation further challenges the idea of empowerment in the industry.

The potential lack of control over scenarios is another concern. Many sex workers do not have the privilege of setting their own boundaries, leading to physical, emotional, and mental harm.

Lastly, even if some forms of porn are consensual, the presence of child sexual abuse material and revenge porn on porn platforms taints the entire industry and indicates its problematic nature. Comparing this to our concern about unethical labor practices elsewhere, it's hypocritical to dismiss these serious issues in the sex industry.

To me, these aspects don't depict empowerment. Instead, they suggest exploitation and harm. While I respect your right to a different perspective, I can't support an industry with such inherent problems.

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Thank you for your input. However, I believe that the fact men shame women who engage in sex work supports my point that this industry is not empowering. If it were truly empowering, it would be universally accepted and not stigmatized."

You didn't read the articles this is directly addressed multiple times.

The issue is not only about the number of men participating in porn/prostitution. My point is that relying on a customer base, which is predominantly male, puts the sex workers in a vulnerable position where they may have to compromise their boundaries to meet the demands of the customers. This is not a reflection of empowerment

You didn't read the articles this is directly addressed multiple times.

The question regarding the 'full value of labor' was about whether a sex worker gets compensated fairly for their work. Studies indicate many are not, and this exploitation further challenges the idea of empowerment in the industry.

No they don't but this is not an argument for the end of sex work it is an argument for the end of or regulation of capitalism. No workers get paid the full value of the labor they produce under capitalism. Although independently run sex work is pretty damn close for still existing under capitalism.

The potential lack of control over scenarios is another concern. Many sex workers do not have the privilege of setting their own boundaries, leading to physical, emotional, and mental harm.

You didn't read the articles this is directly addressed multiple times.

Lastly, even if some forms of porn are consensual, the presence of child sexual abuse material and revenge porn on porn platforms taints the entire industry and indicates its problematic nature. Comparing this to our concern about unethical labor practices elsewhere, it's hypocritical to dismiss these serious issues in the sex industry

Alright first things first you finally admit that consensual porn exists which is a big step for you. Agreed child porn and revenge porn are bad. The reason there is a difference between concerns over international labor practices and porn is because unlike when you buy your shoes it is extremely easy to confirm that the porn you consume is ethical and does not involve minors.

To me, these aspects don't depict empowerment. Instead, they suggest exploitation and harm. While I respect your right to a different perspective, I can't support an industry with such inherent problems.

The problems you listed are real in no way did you prove they were inherent to sex work however. Unluckily for you your opinion is about as valuable as the dirt under my shoe. You are not a sex worker you do not face the consequences of the actions/legislation that you advocate for. You do not get a say.

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even if the act is consensual, exposure to it is not. If you post a sex video on the internet, you are putting it on a public forum where billions of people, including children, can potentially access it. It’s true that some of those people will be adults who intentionally seek it out. But many will be children who do not have the capacity to consent to this exposure, even if they do seek it out.

If an adult has sex with a child, we call that rape, no matter if the child agreed to the act or not. That’s because we have correctly determined that children do not have the psychological development or emotional maturity to make informed and healthy decisions when it comes to sex. So if a child cannot consent to engage in a sexual act, it logically follows that he cannot consent to participate as a third party witness. If you post a sex video online and a child sees it, the fault lies with you, not the child.

STOP DEFLECTING TO MAKE THIS A PROBLEM OF SEX WORK, WHEN THIS IS A PROBLEM OF PORN.

sex work in itself is a 180 Billion Dollar problem in itself. + the 97 million dollar industry of porn.

sex work has its own dangers, including:

For the Sex Worker:

Physical Violence and Abuse.
Sexual Health Risks.
Exploitation and Coercion.
Mental Health Issues.
Legal Consequences.
Substance Abuse.
Stigma and Discrimination.
Economic Instability.
Unsafe Working Conditions.
Limited Access to Healthcare.

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even if the act is consensual, exposure to it is not. If you post a sex video on the internet, you are putting it on a public forum where billions of people, including children, can potentially access it. It’s true that some of those people will be adults who intentionally seek it out. But many will be children who do not have the capacity to consent to this exposure, even if they do seek it out.

Which public forum. YT where you have to actively search it up and it will never be recommended or shown without effort and prior knowledge from the user and will not be shown to a minor if the account is set up properly? Twitter where if your account is actually set up properly for a minor it won't be shown? IG where again if your account is properly set up for a minor then it wont be shown? Vast majority of social media sites are 13+ and will restrict the access to nsfw material to accounts below 18. If a child finds porn on Twitter IG or YT then its an issue with the parents not the people posting the porn. All of those cites also by default censor and warn users about nsfw material before showing it. If you're finding uncensored porn its because you decided to enable it 💀.

If an adult has sex with a child, we call that rape, no matter if the child agreed to the act or not. That’s because we have correctly determined that children do not have the psychological development or emotional maturity to make informed and healthy decisions when it comes to sex. So if a child cannot consent to engage in a sexual act, it logically follows that he cannot consent to participate as a third party witness. If you post a sex video online and a child sees it, the fault lies with you, not the child.

Again wrong. The blame would lie with the hosting site the ISP and the parents.

STOP DEFLECTING TO MAKE THIS A PROBLEM OF SEX WORK, WHEN THIS IS A PROBLEM OF PORN.

Legislation that affects porn inevitably affects all sex work and porn is simply a type of sex work. Not to mention in your other replies you bash sex work too.

sex work in itself is a 180 Billion Dollar problem in itself. + the 97 million dollar industry of porn.
sex work has its own dangers, including:

Immediately proves my point lol. Yup all the points you bring up are problems. None of them, however, are reasons to remove sex work but are instead reasons to decriminalize it and protect sex worker's rights. The fact that you see problems with an industry and chose to blame the worker not the societal structure that impose things like access to healthcare and unsafe working conditions is telling. And again this was addressed in the articles I posted.

If this was yesterday I'd say this is simple laziness to read opposing views but at this point it seems to be intentional ignorance to protect your fragile ego.

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The staggering figures associated with the global sex and human trafficking industry, amassing $150 billion, along with the $180 billion from the sex work industry, underscore the alarming magnitude of the issue at hand. We would be naive to believe that these industries operate in entirely separate realms without any overlap. These are interconnected spheres, driven by the commodification and exploitation of human bodies. Countless individuals are forced into this grim reality of sex work due to duress, manipulation, or an utter lack of alternatives. Although a fraction of consensual cases exist, these are exceptions rather than the norm and should not blind us to the nightmare that significant numbers of sex workers are coerced into.

On a global scale, the situation becomes more disconcerting when considering millions in developing nations, pushed into this industry due to their dire socio-economic circumstances and the sinister industry of sex tourism preying on impoverished communities. The narrative of 'consensual adult sex work' may hold true for a select few, but it dangerously oversimplifies the issue, overshadowing the exploitation and suffering of countless individuals. Our focus should not be on normalizing this industry but aiming for its abolition and addressing the socio-economic imbalances that push people into this exploitative trap in the first place.

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crazy how you dismiss everything by just once sentence. I digress, I have my own view and you have yours.

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ion have to counter with anything since the luxembourg guy with the long name blew your points to kingdom come

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you can use > to create quotes like this

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hello

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There is no free will
P addiction is same as game addiction, kpop addiction, anime addiction etc.

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idk how people can fap to hentai 99% of them created by a fat otaku guy from jp

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from one such person to another right

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lmaoo ya
people fapping to another man imaginary creation

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yep. couldn't be me

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Really weird fapping to 2 people u don't know have sex.
Its just really weird fapping while watching animations

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not to mention how weird it is.

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wtf why do you guys like so much to talk about porn '-'-'-'-'

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bro this is vlr.gg

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