should NA have more "fragger igls" on tier 1?

i saw several posts saying there is no serious discussions recently and i was thinking of this the other day i was watching vcl NA.
Note: by fragger igl i mean players who constantly end positive while igling no matter how much rounds they play.

We got several igls on NA tier 1 who achieved big things but im a bit afraid of the future of igls, as all people know LOUD won champions beating optic and the igl (saadhak) got positive on most matches and generated a lot of impact not only because of his decisions and comms but also his firepower, now while NA got the title of best team of the year (optic) lets take in count that before separating away it didnt finished that well for them since they were trying hard to beat loud on the final and the smart igl formula didnt seem to be enough to make a difference on that game.

As you know we have igls who can get value on comms while bomb fragging (stellar, laz, saadhak, kingg, redgar, stax) and since there´s plenty igl fraggers on tier 2 NA (zander, johnqt, valyn, runi, nillyaz, paincakes, dazzle) and ofc there will be rosters where the igls doesnt frag that much (c9/nrg/sen) i want to know your opinion.

Should teams imitate loud or 100t formula of fragger igls who can call at tier 1 level and also even clutch and top frag maps in case things doesnt seem to work on the ol´ smart igl way?, or maybe keep changing cores around igls who struggle to get a lot of kills since they decide to concentrate on bringing impactful util support, comms and ideas to their teammates (this ofc also worksout for some teams since ange1, FNS, Benkai and others got a lot of impact this year without a need to aggresively win gun fights or clutch, but it also hasnt worked that well for teams like fnatic, xset, kru and others who lost to teams like drx, zeta, 100t, loud and lev who have in fact igl fraggers).

Not reading all that

Jonaaa6 does not igl, nillyaz does ☝🤓

But it is not easy to find igl who can constantly drop good performance in fragging tho...

TSM hazed very underrated imo, constantly frags well as an igl

Igl ability is way more important than the ability to frag.
Therefore it's more beneficial to get the best calling igl regardless of their firepower

it's pretty hard to find these kind of igl even in cs. I think from this year this (igl who can frag) will be the tendency, even if you need to hire a fragger and teach how to igl

It's harder to find in CS, Valorant will be way harder since IGL need to proper deal with skills usage to rotate, etc.
There's just too much things to focus, you need to be talking most of time. Do you see other players playing? When they're holding angle they're all focus waiting for enemy, now imagine it as IGL where you need to do all mid calls for your tell, rotate, decisions, etc. Everything while holding an angle.
Of course IGL firepower will drop, is not like their firepower is bad or anything. It's just IGL job that requires too many attention in everything during mid round.

Also for knowing too much, they start to play more safer for their team.
You need to support your team's motivation when losing as well, and many other things.

When a team has a second shot caller is gets a little more easier overall, but many of second shot callers doesn't want to get this job as "fix" since they do not want to take responsibility for their actions.

Also, many IGL need to focus too much into strategy stuffs with coach during free time, while other players ended up training kovaak, aim, or some other stuff.

People doesn't understand how hard is to be a proper IGL overall, is not like at T2 scene at all. Or when you're playing ranked and someone start giving calls.
Is way way way more harder than that.

NA should have more players with the winning mentality than just making the bag and the region will give good competition consistently

In my opinion, depends on a team's PlayStyle.
If you're heavily based on setting up one (or two) players and everyone else just plays around it then there probably would be more calling, less gun fights to be taken. Optic, FPX and to some extent even PRX are good examples of this.
Then you have the 100T, DRX play it all disciplined strategically till the end where the IGL mainly calls the mid round shots but also relies on info given by teammates.

The thing is someone like vanity could be a "fragging IGL" but why would he position himself and his team into situations where he is taking fights as the wincon when he has yay and leaf on his team, something to consider.

yes. every igl should have elite aim and game mechanics at the franchise level

Tell me one fragger igl who has won something important with his team ??

this is wild when emea has boaster and it took them 2 years to get bonkar out of tier 1

IGLs should be judged on win rate not stats.

It’s so hard to quantify their nondirect impact, so much so that in some cases even when they appear to be holding their team back, they’re actually the reason the other players are doing as well as they are. FNS is the prime example. When he did better statistically, that was usually indicative of when optic as a whole was playing worse. It’s hard to tell whether that was because by him focusing on individual performance, he wasn’t doing his igl duties as well as usual, or whether the other players playing worse gave him more opportunities.

That distinction is besides the point though.

fragging IGL is the meta

Boostio 🎣🐓

IGLs in Val frag a lot more than IGLs in CSGO that dont awp. But i agree with zardinez IGLs should be judged on win rate not stats.

Vanity Stellar and Boostio all frag very well in comparison to many EU IGLs

as said before fragging igl heavily overrated. if you take 5 players without an igl they will perform like shit. also as others have said before they have to focus on a lot more. if your holding an angle with an op, would you be actively thinking about other players across the map and calling out to them. also most of your time is tooken up strat developing and vod reviewing vs dm and aim labs/kovaaks.