Do they still deserve 2 slots? I need my Vietnamese brothers in VCT, please.
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Nope, give them 1 slot is enough (the only reason is free point for other team)
yeah im looking and I see a champs win and a second at masters tokyo.. when is the last time japan even made a regional final
"jap"? bro went back to ww2 era terminology 💀
Okinawa flashbacks... ☠⚰️
The greatest japanese in the franchising has currently a 0.90 rating on the year on a low tier team and isnt even japanese
I agree but their qualification was the greatest fluke to greatness story.
Was the qualification a fluke ? Probably.
Was it cool ? Definitely.
Did they capitalize off it and not let that chance down ? Hell yeah
oh this is about t1, i thought it was about vcl spots in playoffs mb
"Your region" is Japan which isn't a region of its own in T1 so I'm obviously talking about T2
if hes been under the same contract since October 2024 then he actively chose to stay in tier 2 for 3 years
if hes renewed contracts then he actively chose to stay in tier 2 for 3 years
wdym
Idk if he actually has renewed the contract or not last year tho, Japan is weird with contracts and players are often signed in contract jails. All I know is that his buyout is high asf and he was never FA this offseason afaik
You saying that japan doesnt deserve 2 slots in vct, and they should be given to vietnam is so funny, as vietnam is one of the weakest region in asia.... except crazyguy and yesican(in 2022), there is no good player from vietnam.. although pr0digy guy has potential.... but vietnamese players cant even farm in our VCL India, in 2024 rapid lofi got spanked hard in ascension by RNT.
The best viet players are in Vietnam and sea, Vietnam placed 4th in challengers sea
The best viet players in 2024 were defeated 26-6 by Indian team, and the best viet players in 2025 didnt qualify for ascension, and honestly finishing 4th in SEA this year will also be worthless when only top 3 will get a shot.
2024 brody, viet is much better now most of their best players just turned 16 this year to play challengers like kozzy and xiesta (from other t2 leagues but same logic, they were rank 1s for long time but just turned 16)
could be... I only know about pr0digy from young players in viet. But my assessment is only based off their performaces in ascension or similar tournament, which they last played in 2024.
yea most of their best players just started playing this year because Riot jaker gave some benefits to vietnam qualifier league ($ incentive) since viet is the 4th largest viewership languagevise in apac
entire fcu roster + look at some of the 2nd 3rd finishing team at viet qualifiers
by your logic, India slot should be given to Vietnam then, If we’re calling regions “weak,” India has gifted slot by Riot for years and hasnt really achieved anything not even single pro player that good enough playing in Tier 1
and tbh is not about Vietnam only, its about giving the slot to the one who deserve more, Mongolia,thai,indo,singapore etc. (whoever) even Korea could deserve more, The point is we see enough these region who get the slot and their potential. give other region a shot
GE is india's slot. Everyone knows it except you who just started watching VCT yesterday.
japan have never performed worse than vietnam at ascension iirc, who cares if vn is top 4 in sea? lol
and last i checked dfm did not do that bad in kickoff
doing well in sea =/= doing well in apac
and if slots should get removed based off poor performance APAC deserved to have like 1 slot in 2021
This is a snowball situation where to be good in ascention you need experience, and VN team have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE, so they are not good, so they dont play good tournament, so they have no experience and it's a vicious circle.
You need a full VN team for the same reason India actually need a real full Indian team if they want to achieve something in the future.
you don’t need to have experience to be good in ascension…just ask SLT and SPG/NS lol
the unfortunate truth is simply that certain regions are just not good enough yet. While there may be individuals who are talented enough for T1 there is no evidence that a team is good enough for it, especially if they have not proven themselves in Ascension for the past 3 years.
the entire point of Ascension is for tier 2 teams to prove themselves regardless of their region or lack of org or whatever. It’s a free ticket that Riot will assist you with as long as you prove you deserve it through the fairest metric of all: merit.
Are we seriously crying about not having a tier 1 slot when our tier 2 teams aren’t even hacking it?
"you don’t need to have experience to be good in ascension…just ask SLT and SPG/NS"
if u dont know what u talking abt dont even say random shit abt it, SLT/NS have the experience (they have the opportunity playing and scrims agains Tier 1 due to VCT team are all in Korea, that is a huge advantage that other region cannot have) before Ascension f0rsaken said that PRX have scrims them and when viewers ask which team goona win, he said SLT/BOOM/NS
u act like SEA teams have insane ping disadvantage to Korea when it’s 40ms to HK server lol
also the chinese teams scrim pacific teams yet they’re still bad
so why do these scrims mean so much
you guys will make excuses and cope about everything lol
i dont make excuses and cope, its a fact they are better i never doubt that
i just replay base on random bullshit that u saying ? u are the one saying SLT and NS dont have experience, which is false and not true at all
SLT and NS had probably the least amount of experience out of the teams at the Ascension they played
SPG was a premier team and had 0 real veterans outside of Persia (who barely had any experience himself) but were 13-0ing teams like Full Sense with actual ex-tier 1 players and rolling through other, more experienced teams at the tournament.
SLT were a similar case except they weren't a premier team but the second academy team, and they also beat ex-tier 1 pros in BOOM Esports at Ascension.
experience doesn't mean anything when you can steamroll everyone else who has more experience than you
sounds like you're the one talking bullshit, you don't even know how ping works. You know a lot of Pacific teams scrim CN teams? You know any team based in Korea can scrim SEA teams with 40 ping on HK? What about when the KR scrim sharing allegations came out and it was rumoured a lot of teams weren't even scrimming KR teams because of it?
What a fcking moron thinking noone in pacific is scrimming outside of korea
Ironic considering vision stikers were the ones who elevated the sea region through scrims in 2020 21
SLT and SPG plays against T1 player everyday in soloQ, SLT and SPG play everyday against player that have experience in T1 during their T2 game. Experience trickle down on the whole scene, wish isn't the case for smaller scrimpool like OCE and India.
"merit" doesnt exist, people coming from bigger region have just way more opportunities than people coming from smaller region, thats why children coming for rich family tends to have way better job then people coming from poor family. Meritocracy is an illusion to maintain the status quo of an unfair world.
Look at India, in 2021 their best team was at the same level of seed 3, 4 and 5 Korea. Now, I'm not even sure top Indian team could beat an up and down T2 KR team. What did changed ? KR had 5 years of T1 experience and a scrimpool full of T1 player while India had almost none. Even tho India is the playerpool is the fastest growing, the trend should got on the other side and thats not the case.
SEA players also play against T1 players in soloqueue…have you not heard of HK servers? they even meet CN pros there as well. there are multiple vods of Korean players playing with people like Primmie etc lmao
so it’s just cope lol
BME and FS had more experience than SPG at Ascension 2023 and still lost. what are these excuses lol
I admit my argument stand more for OCE and India, butit's still working for VN.
Well, scriming T1 if it's China... Isnt the same wiegh than APAC or AMER lets be honest.
Other problem of not having a T1 team is that they are no outlet foryour player, your player that are worth T1 will play into T1 as "pseudoimport" (When you play for a team that isnt from your country, but that is from our region).
The last argument is the marketing one, by having a T1 team, you bring attention of VN people on the valorant scene and it's helping to recruit new player that will play the game.
Not being good is usually a vicious circle that need to be break one day or another, and we cant reduce that by "get gud lol"
BME and FS had more experience than SPG at Ascension 2023 and still lost. what are these excuses lol
It's not "Who have more", it's "Who have enough to be on the list of potential winners"
i kind of dont get your second argument
third argument is fair but with that logic you want a team for every subregion which just isnt sustainable
there are lots of factors behind developing a healthy scene but it is not riot’s fault if subregions do not want to or do not put in enough effort to develop their valorant esports scene through talent development, management, infrastructure, etc. korea and china for example are willing to invest in esports and develop infrastructure but if other subregions don’t want to that is no one’s fault but their own.
My 2nd point is that I think VN have enough good player to fill a 5 team roster that is worth T1, the fact they are import doesnt help the region to grow, they are a decent darkhorse in EWC qualifier
there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claim that VN can field 5 players to fill a tier 1 ready roster. zero. what they have achieved since 2020 in VCT does not come close to justifying a spot in tier 1. Shit, they probably don't even have an org capable of staying economically relevant enough to be in tier 1, especially so if we want them to replace another T1 org.
Individual SEA countries simply do not have the esports infrastructure down to a fundamental level with a high interest in mobile gaming over PC gaming. They do not have a developed esports ecosystem by country. Their biggest strength is importing talent from different countries within the region to assemble stronger teams. PRX are the best example of this, shit they even imported a Russian guy.
there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claim that VN can field 5 players to fill a tier 1 ready roster. zero.
You forget the diaspora
Shit, they probably don't even have an org capable of staying economically relevant enough to be in tier 1
We are talking about a Riot based game, they have at least 2 structure they trust.
Individual SEA countries simply do not have the esports infrastructure down to a fundamental level with a high interest in mobile gaming over PC gaming.
VN is the only SEA country among the big 4 (TH, ID, PH, VN) to not have one...
Why Korean being selfish and not want to VN and OCE play in VCT? 5 Korean teams are not enough? Want all teams are Korean?
get off my dick bro and use your brain, OCE is a dead league, Riot literally closed it, so they can't be in VCT. VN does not have any significant factors right now to warrant a spot in VCT either through actual achievements or investment.
face reality. the fact that you'll talk about Korean teams even though I never mentioned them just shows you're not thinking rationally and you'd rather attack me because of my flag and not my points.
i get that you're vietnamese based off your post history but you guys did not perform well in the last 3 Ascensions, why are you complaining?
Why shouldn't we have the right to complain just because our performance is poor? Unless no one plays Valorant in Vietnam or OCE anymore, we still have the right to call for clearer opportunities to go better. That's a legitimate right.
It's a huge market, so i'll say yes, Japan deserve 2 slot, you are not looking in the right direction.
To me the main problem there is that, China have too many spots (No need to explain), Amer have too many spots (Asking more slot to NA while they have 5 would be the equivalent of asking a 6th lane to fix traffic problem), EMEA have the exact right amount of spot (-1 EU + 1 RU)... AND APAC NEED LIKE x1.5 slots.
- Korea need AT LEAST 3-4 spot (No seriously, they-are currently more KR team premier than NA team, NA have 8 slot, KR got 3, this is insane)
- Japan deserve 2 slot (Still a huge market that you don't want to lose)
- OCE deserve 1 spot
- PH deserve 1 slot
- ID deserve 1 slot
- TH deserve at least 1 spot
- VN actually deserve 1 slot
- PRX deserve 1 slot
- India deserve 1 slot (Maybe even 2 given the huge market that India is, in 2025 act 6 India was before Turkey, LAS, Japan and really close from Brasil)
And you can even question Mongolia and Taiwan needing a slot, or even a proper eastern russia team (And split East and West Russia residency), you can also argue that Gulf belong to APAC and need 1 spot.
Riot talked about reducing the number of partner team in 2027, if thats happen it would be horrible fo APAC staying one region and we will need 2 region.
Also APAC see a huge groth of Valorant Fanbase in APAC and a decline in AMER, I see the APAC split in 2031 unavoidable (Maybe later if we go to 12 partner team), but it's too early in 2027 so VN will probably have no spot. (People calling for AMER split, without calling for APAC split are not aware of the situation in APAC, the only T2 that need more slot in AMER is LAN)
OCE deserve 1 spot
How? The playerbase is almost dead. No reason to give them a slot other than wasting your money. Wouldnt be surprised if riot removes the server from OCE region.
OCE have no T1 team
--> They are no outlet for OCE player.
--> Player stop play.
--> The player base is dying
This is a vicious circle that need to be broken.
I will be blunt on that take : Every scrimpool need a Tier 1 team, if you dont, the playerpool of this scrimpool will die.
Yes even the worst scrimpool that ever existed (Cape Town) need a T1 team
(A scrimpool is geographical region where people can play with each other with a decent ping, in AMER they are 3 or 4, Chicago-NA, Miami-LAN, Santiago-LAS, SP-BR, EMEA have 3 : Franckfurt-EU-TR-CIS-Maghreb, Dubai-ME, Cape-Africa, China have 1, APAC have 4, Tokyo-KRJP, SG-SEA, Sydney-OCE, Mumbai-SA)
do you know how much money goes into developing an esports ecosystem
what you're wanting is like when a child wishes for world peace. yeah this shit would work in make believe land but real life has something called logistics, growth potential, and investment and because of those three things your dream simply cannot come true.
- logistics : That's why I talk about scrimpool, that's literally the backbone of logistics.
- growth potential : That's exactly the point of my plan, based on growth potential
Literally, what I said is based by data, and marketing goal.
So far depending how you count they are only 1 scrimpool that isnt represented : OCE (SA have GE even if they are trolling, LAN may be considered the same scrimpool than NA, and... Cape doesnt count yet). Giving a team to OCE isn't unrealistic or "child wishes for world peace",
India has GE, LAN will probably have Lyon in 2027, and Africa will receive something when the continent becomes stronger economically even if 2027 is definitely too early for them (Hard to beat Africa when you spoke about "growth potential")
yeah and you forgot about investment, are you currently aware that esports is INSANELY unprofitable and most of the biggest esports orgs are running in the red? To the point where even orgs in tier 1 struggle to fucking pay their players (BLEED, TALON, ULF, KOI, etc.)?
and you somehow believe that it is worth investing in unproven regions with unreliable viewership and player pools (like OCE, VN, South Africa) versus investing in regions with developed infrastructure, supportive fans, and proven talent (China, Japan, Korea)? To even go so far as to invest heavily in mobile gaming dominated regions like SEA? No single entity can change the fundamental gaming culture of an entire major region.
this is what is unrealistic.
Giving a team to OCE isn't unrealistic
it absolutely is. OCE has no orgs, OCE has barely any players, OCE lacks a dedicated player ecosystem, they don't have the viewership, shit they don't even have geographical closeness to any other region.
If you're Riot and you're paying these teams, orgs, TOs, and sometimes even players out of your own pocket at a point in time where the economy is difficult what the fuck would bring yourself to justify paying even more for regions who have demonstrated zero ability to produce sufficient returns within a reasonable timeframe, or even the innate potential for said returns?
Like I said, it's like a child wishing for world peace.
it absolutely is. OCE has no orgs
Fly Quest
OCE has barely any players
They have, they even have good T1 player
OCE lacks a dedicated player ecosystem
Because no T1 team (And a bad TO)
shit they don't even have geographical closeness to any other region.
THATS EXACTLY MY POINT, they cant scrim against other team sso their best player doent have outlet and have no way to improve. Everys crimpool (Based on "geographical closeness") need a T1 team to give outlet to their player, if not the playerbase will die.
Fly Quest
they are literally an american org owned by american people who are owners of an american sports team
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlyQuest
They have, they even have good T1 player
they have exactly one person in T1 and that is Autumn.
Because no T1 team (And a bad TO)
yeah, you think Riot is going to handle the costs of operating a circuit in OCE with no dedicated player ecosystem in this economy? You think they're going to guarantee financial stipends to a willing org that is confident AND competent in their ability to reliably field 5 players capable of playing at a tier 1 level despite the other setbacks? How naive are you?
Everys crimpool (Based on "geographical closeness") need a T1 team to give outlet to their player, if not the playerbase will die.
Yeah, in a perfect world where people have infinite money and you can blow loads of it on high risk endeavours like fucking artificially seeding the growth of a fucking unpromising region that cannot stand on its own. Not every country is built to have a sustainable esports ecosystem. Those regions will inevitably die. That is reality. You cannot have a global fucking esport, literally the biggest sport in the world is not sustainable in every country, i don't know what makes you think a niche esport like Valorant is capable of doing what football/soccer cannot.
Childish, immature, unrealistic mode of thought. I want all poor people to not be poor, just give them money! I want people starving in third world countries to not feel hunger anymore, just give them money! otherwise they will die!
atp it's not even like a childish fantasy you're just straight up delusional and cannot face reality
they are literally an american org
And they have a huge fanbase in Oceania thanks to cs, they have enough tie to the region to be the face of Oceania in val (This gonna chock you, but in LoL TL is one of the main face in NA)
they have exactly one person in T1 and that is Autumn.
Swerl ? pl1xx ? Minimise ? Take a roster with Swerl and Autumn, take 2 young player, (For the last spot probably pl1xx to add experience) and you might have a decent team
Not every country is built to have a sustainable esports ecosystem.
I never said that. I said every scrimpool need one T1 team. Replacing Zeta by Fly Quest Oceania will not make Riot Banckrupt.
The reason they don't have T1 team is because there are not enough T1 level players which is mainly because the playerbase is small. I have heard stories about queuing for hours to get a match in immortal+ rank. And i don't see why riot should invest in this region more than what they are doing now. I mean the cost factor is a huge metric in their decision to invest in this region. And I highly doubt after 6 years of valorant the playerbase will suddenly start rising in any region until something drastic happens. What I'm trying to say is that the product's (Valorant) lifecycle has come to a mature stage, they have to now focus on keeping their playerbase invested in the game. They can't waste money on acquiring new customers (players) because the cost to acquire them is simply higher and the revenue generated might not justify it.
Thats why i'm saying it's a vicous circle, they are no player at immo+ cause they are no outlet, they are no outlet cause no T1 team, no T1 team cause no player immo+ and it go in circle (And to be frank you can have an OCE superteam that would be T1 worth)
Which is why investing in them is not worth it, is my opinion. They don't deserve that 1 spot as you suggested. We sometimes have to accept that we can't save a dying region in business and try to diversify and invest somewhere else
Yes in short term, no in long term.
Sure having more team will mecanically make the level down, but giving outlet to some new region will breing more fan and increase the level of region in the long term. For exemple thats how rugby did get developed in Japan, give them spot before they become good, until they become good.
It's in the interest of the game to become a world game where everyone is represented, so it's the interest of the game to give outlets to everyone
U just said maybe India should get 2 slot omfg not even 1 single Indian player in pacific and theyre small market compared to sea the amount of viewers of India is not even big and also just make relegate system atp some region is just that ass and cannot improve especially Japan they been big since valorant launched, some thing is cannot changed ass is ass same to Japan in LoL it's not rugby thing they here only because market and wont improve anyway
it's all about money and viewership. most viewed pacific team is literally prx>>>japan>>>>>>>>>>>>rrq
I hate that JP t2 is more lucrative than t1 but I don't see JP losing 2 slots. Maybe one of the orgs gets replaced by Fennel?
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