sociology what's the point besides understanding the societal mechanisms that cause you to be unemployed
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this is a good thread idea mr unfertile, but im too young to know anything about degrees
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A circle has 360 degrees. Imagine how smart a circle would be if it could talk
I must say there are some art degrees more useless tbh, sociology can be useful when u work for institutions
We are talking about degrees, not the subject in itself. Art is not necessarily useless, however the degree is best left unpursued.
Well it’s kinda useless compared to other degrees if in terms of job prospects and potential career paths but a lot of people who say that these degrees are useless also mean that arts and humanities are stupid and useless in and of themselves
Its hard for people to conceptualize the use since the degree doesn't translate immediately to a necessary tangible service or good like engineering or sciences do, and people heavily weigh hard concrete skills like mathematics as a result due to its real-world applications. There are definite valuable use cases for arts and humanities but they don't necessarily need to be obtained within college only nor are other majors excluded from taking those classes (in fact i think a lot of colleges require some kind of liberal arts core as part of their curriculum). These majors also usually require a second advanced degree as a supplement if they want to pursue their field of study as a living, as compared to engineering degrees which usually requires a bachelors to enter the workforce for their intended fields of study.
Like policy making and social sciences are very important to the populace, but since they don't immediately turn into revenue and are often underserved (very poor salaries unless you're a high-ranking government official) its hard for people to really pay attention to them. And of course people mostly pay attention to the negative impacts of decisions that their government makes so everyone usually thinks that these people are incompetent anyways.
That being said your field of study isn't necessarily your career, and theres a ton of people in arts and humanities that goes into finance, law, management etc which has widespread impact on this world, so I wouldn't consider arts and humanities to be something that people should neglect, especially when its weaved into the social fabric of society.
Most people only care about the money you can make with it and not the value it can give in other aspects, I wouldn't listen to anything they say
hot take but any degree outside Engineering , Medical , Finance and tech is useless and not worth 4 years let alone paying for it
bro most of the job itw are related to these 5 fields idk why this is a hot take like this should be a really common take like realistically how many jobs are there which require a liberal arts, language ,political science or history degree or anything related to those fields hardly any so ya and even if there are jobs they arent as high paying as compared to jobs in any field related to engineering , medicine / medical , finance , law or tech so ya
very interesting think to think about.. i myself am currently taking a humanities degree and i really only chose it because i'm really passionate about it, without thinking too much about future job prospects etc (which may reeeaally bite me in the ass in the long run)
but of course i do agree that the general goals in life after college are to have a good career, a stable income, achieve your personal goals in life (which may be much easier if you do have a well-paying job, which--yes, will most likely come from those major fields you mentioned), etc. etc.. so i totally understand your point actually
for me though i currently have my sights set on staying in the academe (which may change..i still have 2 and a half years left in my degree)
I’m just gonna say something that might hurt your feelings, but if you can, I think you should switch your course or learn a high paying vocational/freelancing skill on the side if you cant change course or if u just wanna learn something new . Imagine a Venn diagram with pay, passion, demand, and prospects (future-proofing and stability fall under prospects). You should choose a course that falls in the intersection of that Venn diagram . If you go with the with the second option I suggest you to wait it out and see if u get good paying jobs as well .
so climatology and biology are useless? anthropology shouldn't be studied? historians shouldn't hone their craft in an institution? geology's just rocks so it must be shit!
Bro, climatology, biology, anthropology, and geology are actually pretty important. I just didn’t articulate myself well earlier. What I meant is that anything outside science, tech, and finance usually shouldn’t be studied if your goal is good job prospects.
Like you mentioned with historians tell me how many jobs actually exist for them besides being a school teacher, a college/university professor, or some government roles? Almost none. So yeah, I still think pursuing a degree in history is mostly useless because there aren’t many jobs, and even the ones that exist usually aren’t high-paying enough for someone to comfortably start a family or buy a house.
I’m not saying there are zero high-paying history related jobs, but they’re way harder to find compared to high-paying tech jobs. So yeah. I think it’s important to find a passion, but I also think you should find a passion within those fields, because you’re more likely to stay motivated, learn more, build skills, and eventually get paid better.
yes cuz i didnt articulate myself rly well im saying anything outside science , finance , tech and law is pretty useless cuz the job market outside these fields suck + the avg pay aint as high there are exceptions but in general its ture . How many historians make an above the median wage prolly lesser than the ppl in these particular fields . so ya .
just read #41
still a dumb ahh take bro, the fact it doesnt make as much doesnt mean we dont need them, that the first and the second is that you are acting there is no pay besides these fields
bro the pay is significantly less I am gonna take the data from netherlands just to prove my point
1)Historian – €58,000/yr
2)Archaeologist – €57,000/yr
3)Linguist – €55,000/yr
4)Sociologist – €60,000/yr
5)Anthropologist – €56,000/yr
6)Political Analyst / Policy Researcher – €42,000/yr
7)Diplomat / Foreign Service Officer – €38,000/yr
8)Journalist / Editor – €45,000/yr
9)Humanities Professor / Lecturer – €87,000/yr
10)School Teacher (Humanities subjects) – €38,000–€42,000/yr
Vs
1)Software Engineer- €83,000/yr
2)Electrical & Electronics Engineering - €92,000/yr
3)Mechanical Engineer- €87,000/yr
4)Chemical Engineer- €83,000/yr
5)Aerospace Engineering- €66,00/yr
6)Doctor - €148,000/yr
7)Psychologist -€ 66,000/yr
8) Lawyer - €107,000/yr
9)Pharmacist - €83,000/yr
10)Investment Banker - €122,000/yr
11)Quantitative Analyst - €83,000/yr
12)Financial Analyst / Equity Research Analyst - €85,000/yr
13)Portfolio Manager / Asset Manager - €82,000/yr
14)Financial Manager / Corporate Finance - €106,000/yr
Bro ofc nobody works for free but half of these humanities based jobs are under 60K/yr
vs the fields I mentioned like most of them make 80k/year
Also in a lot of these jobs which I mentioned , or are related to these fields u can easily push €120k+/year with 8+ years of experience so ya
(source : salaryexpert)
Aight but still dumb take since with a study in history you can still become other jobs such as consultant and a lot of other jobs. ur forgetting that with a language degree u can do much more then just be a teacher etc. and besides, ur forgetting the part where you still need all these jobs from the above part to have a functioning society and international political system. so ur take is dumb yes they might make money, doesnt mean other fields dont. that u study something doesnt mean u go to work in the same field. and without for example spatial planners, historians and diplomats your country, your view of your country and international politics would be very different
Yes, but so can STEM grads AND they have STEM fallbacks with higher salaries.
Like listen
I’m not saying humanities jobs shouldn’t exist or aren’t valuable to society.
I’m saying that if someone is paying €40k–€100k and 4+ years of their life, the financial ROI matters, and STEM/Finance/Tech/Law offer significantly higher median salaries, bigger markets, and better long-term career ceilings.
That’s not me trying to discredit humanities degrees that’s just economics.
okay so when u take the dutch as an example please also use dutch uni prices, these prices are dumb and not even true unless u maybe go to a fking private uni or something.
the thing ur saying is just dumb that all those degrees are useless. also ur point is that it isnt worth paying for it or even worth 4 years. so compare the pay of someone who didnt study with those 4 years extra to someone who did a humanitarian study or whatever. then youll find that it actually is worth it. ur not even keeping to ur point since that was 4 years and costs isnt worth getting a pay difference of having a degree and shit
Bro, you’re missing the entire point. How many or what percentage of teachers earn above the average median pay? Probably very few, definitely lower than most science-related, tech, finance, or law fields. Yes, there are some exceptions.
I like to think of it this way: pay, prospects, demand, and passion are the four categories of a Venn diagram, and anything that lies in the middle of that diagram is the ideal job or degree to pursue. You can read my other replies to understand my perspective better.
In your venn diagram you have passion, yet you completely ignore it and say “if you’re not in stem it’s useless”
Bro those fields have more sub fields and like uk stick to those subfields in those fields which u like say u like mechanical engineering then u choose that . Like passion in the sense passion in those fields .
If everyone listened to your advice society would collapse
There is more to life than making an above average salary
ofc not everyone is gonna listen to me neither I have a yt expressing my opinions to you its more important to be happy and stuff but for most ppl who want financial freedom / they would want to do jobs from the fields I mention so that they can dream of financial freedom and an above average lifestyle .
I’m not saying humanities jobs shouldn’t exist or aren’t valuable to society.
Like what im saying
I’m saying that if someone is paying $60k–$200k and 4 years of their life, the financial ROI matters, and STEM/Finance/Tech/Law offer significantly higher median salaries, bigger markets, and better long-term career ceilings.
That’s not disrespect to these degrees that’s just economics.
I mean most degrees aren't useless per se but there are definitely some that feel like art where its like "why did I pay all this money for a degree just so I have to work at McDonald's and take online commissions from random gooners online."
most useless gotta be 361 degrees like bro just say its at a 1 degree angle atp
If you think thats is useless then you might struggle with the unit circle if you haven't learnt it already.
Yall really need to stop seeing college degrees as just means to get a job. A lot of people do it because they want to learn.
Everyone ends up jobless these days
Economy is so cooked we’re not even showing the public unemployment data anymore
I got a degree and a job this year in this "horrible economy" so it's not everyone despite what people want you to think.
And unemployment data is public so I'm not sure where u are getting this from
maybe comp sci engineers because of oversaturated job markets, but other engineering fields are doing just fine
Thank fucking god someone said it. What’s the point of living if it’s just for work
Art degree is not useless, it just doesn't get you a job very easily. You still gain a countless amount of experience pursuing a field of study with resources and people you couldn't find anywhere else, and you grow immensely as both an artist and a person by attending an institute that supports your passions. Yes, you will have trouble finding a job or making good money, but an art degree is far from "useless"
People have to learn to realize that college is more about the experience than the degree, it's about the things that you do and the people that you meet that turn you into an interesting person, not some piece of paper.
Fahrenheit for sure...
Celcius and Kelvin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fahrenheit
kelvin is mad overhyped. Never once have I given af about absolute zero
Fahrenheit no diff
Kelvin have a HUGE role in numerous scientific studies that have enabled us to advance in the fields of medicine and pharmaceuticals.
Celsius is scientifically more practical because it’s based on water’s freezing point at 0 °C and boiling point at 100 °C, creating a clear and intuitive 100-degree scale. This makes measurements and calculations simpler and more consistent than with Fahrenheit, which uses less natural reference points and a narrower interval.
No degree is useless if you have a clear goal in mind; No degree will guarantee you anything if you dont have any plan
check your mail, you've got an email from sweet baby inc. just paint your hair blue for the interviews
Im a social sciences student (aka sociology) and it is most certainly not useless, its just that it doesnt have as many routes to follow, i myself want to graudate and get a PhD so i can be a political science professor, the wage is good and i love teaching and politics, but other than the academy route you dont have much else to do that i know of, you can either become a politician, writer or a political analyst, each of those requiring you to be a 1 in a 100.000 to "do well" (which by itself is a relative term, not to jordan peterson the text but what does one mean by doing well in life), but yeah, if we are talking about importance, without social science/political science/sociology we would not be able to understand society, the economy and how to do better as a civilization
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