Alfajer > Chronicle all time

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Its insane to me how people put Chronicle above Alfajer in top 10 lists of all time.

Its objectively obvious that Alfajer is a better player than him, more impactful, more skilled and better aim for about 4 seasons already(2022-2025), and still the brainwashed masses still put Chronicle above him because of a 2021 Masters that Chronicle won with Redgar playing Reyna on Haven (dinosaur era, VCT truly started in 2022), and Alfa was too young

The same applies for Derke, Leo and even nAts to some extent (nAts didnt play with superteams for most of his career like Chronicle did, nAts made Gambit super). What exactly makes Chronicle better than Alfajer all time?

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AleAlejandro

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truth nuke

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glittering_yard

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As a community, we NEED to open our eyes to the Chronicle brainwash that infected our new generation

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I definitely agree, but I also think chron => forsaken in the flex debate

But also on gambit chron was definitely equal to nats, if u think nats was better u didn’t watch champs 21

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tonyhart

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Chronicle flex = only viper 90% times

Bro please find what is flex definition first

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Uncleben

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Every single agent he plays he’s amazing at, obviously he’s not gonna play as many as forsaken because he doesn’t have something and jingg who can only play two agents on his team

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tonyhart

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Then he is not flexing

He is just main a viper with some sentinels

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TheOnion

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He’s a flex, so if he’s playing viper that’s what the team needs. And if they need another agent he won’t hesitate to play it. To be a flex you don’t need to play different agents 24/7

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Yes but it’s exactly because f0rsaken’s agent pool is way bigger and he contributes immense impact on any role, he excels Chronicle as a flex player no?

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Uncleben

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Then forsaken will always be flex goat even if someone is way better than him because no other team that’s really good players as unversatile as prx

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serot

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For flex role alone I don’t think we will see another forsaken equivalent within a decade in terms of agent pool. But even discounting that insanely valuable skill set he is easily one of the most impactful players in every department. If you asked me who contributed more to their current teams success in the modern day forsaken easily clears chronicle and that won’t change anytime soon.

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Uncleben

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I’d say that last point is due to him being an igl
At their current roles (smokes vs sentinel) forsaken is slightly better, but all time chronicle is significantly better at the agents he plays while forsaken plays more agents (but he’s been avg or even bad at some agents, like breach)
It depends on what you regard as flex

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serot

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Chronicle all time ratings are on average lower than forsaken and with a lot more bad ratings for agents with 200+ rounds
Even the stats don’t favor him

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Uncleben

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That’s not true, you can use Val tracker to check their stats post franchising if you want to

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serot

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stopped reading when you brought up Val tracker

continue thread →

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Ameya

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He flexes when he needs to , last year in champs he played scan initiator mainly , whenever fnatic plays double initiator , he is the flash initiator

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glittering_yard

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Not equal at all, nAts INVENTED lurking in 1937 and transformed the way Valorant is played at the highest level, Chronicle just farmed high stats in a winning team that was ahead of their time

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deadass that team was so broken even sheydos had like 1.4 kd

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uwukitten

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but I also think chron => forsaken

bro is stating the obvious, anyone who thinks f0rsaken is better than chronicle is mentally ill

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tonyhart

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Give me viper or I will retire

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Uncleben

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He plays sentinel and initiator as well
Forsaken’s also mainly plays smokes this year WHEN PRX are good, should we also not consider him a flex?

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tonyhart

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Forsaken is still better flex

chronicle is better player I agree but forsaken can lock in duelist like waylay in group stage and can still top fragging while IGL

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Wolfed

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forsaken when they need a controller:

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tonyhart

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Forsaken drop 1.78 rating while 5v3

if you want to watch forsaken duelist, go watch group stage and Pacific match

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uwukitten

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f0rsaken flexing between 20 agents and dropping 0.8 rating on all of them, goat shit

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tonyhart

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just check his waylay in group stage

He literally top frag while IGL

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Wolfed

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damn youre really serious about this bait huh
ill give it a 3/8

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tonyhart

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Because this is fact lmao 😂😂😂

forsaken literally play duelist better than most dedicated duelist in VCT 😂

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Uncleben

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Probably because for 2 years he was a dedicated duelist 😂

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i think chronicle is consistently better. alfajer sometimes plays like he has brain damage. today he was constantly swapping between the best player oat and a infiltrated bronze. chronicle has a lower ceiling but he also never gets as low as alfajer does

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Alfa was terrible the start of this year, maybe terrible is a bit harsh. But definitely not good, I do agree chronicles consistently better.

Also that one round in Toronto where Fnatic were about to bonus PRX on lotus. but Alfa ran into a smoke to try and get it and died, that put his stocks down for me.

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exactly, he does this shit all the time. running smokes, going through mollies. he always does some crazy ultra aggressive things to surprise the opponent and it goes three ways: either it does, he gets the kill and become a genius; it doesn't but he gets the kill anyway because hes mechanically gifted; it doesn't and he dies and looks like a bot. but when he or his team are a bad phase he just looks insanely bad. chronicle is way more reliable and better on this way. but at their peak, alfajer is much better

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glittering_yard

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its because alfa actually tries to be impactful to save his team, you just dont notice chronicle's bad games because most of the time he is invisible in the server

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foythvlr

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thats the thing, tho. alfa tries a lot but he either carry or really brings the team down. it has its upsides and downsides. chronicle, while having his bad performances, never really weighted down the team, and besides never carrying it like alfa does, he always has consistent good enough performances with some truly great ones in the middle

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As much of nAts glazer I am, it was BOTH nAts and Chronicle that made Gambit, Gambit

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Wolfed

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you may not realize it but there is some recency bias here
there is a good reason chronicle is considered so good; if this was group stage, you wouldnt be saying this

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glittering_yard

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Group stage Chronicle: farmed RRQ(not hard), went negative when he played against a real team (MIBR)

Alfajer: carried the team down 2-10 and saved Fnatic from getting 2-0'd in the first round of playoffs

And its not recency bias at all, Alfajer was Thanos in Masters Toronto too, to the point people were questioning the f0rsaken MVP, even tho Fnatic lost

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Galactc

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This is just recency bias omg

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uwukitten

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alfajer throws half as many rounds as he wins, chronicle doesn't. not to mention having high stats on flex is way harder than on sentinel

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shrike-

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can’t throw if you don’t show up

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uwukitten

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is the brazil flag to support MIBR?

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shrike-

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Someone called me brazilian and i got ragebaited

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dazzil

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its funny how we are now arguing about goated or like top 10 players just because something, alfa, aspas or chron having good games
and after every good game by them there is many posts about each one that goes like:"aspas is goat" "something is top 10 aot"

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Yistyy

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"But chronicle farmed group stage against rrq!!"

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Curtymac7

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I think a lot of people care more about trophies than form at certain events which is why Chronicle is always brought up in GOAT convos

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pugz

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True