Kaajak is what ppl thought primmie would be like

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Y’all agree w this take?

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They're both mid yet very overhyped

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Effluxi

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so true bro reaching masters grand final with everything stacked against you and an absolute domination in regionals as a rookie js super mid and overhyped

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Yep kaajak was totally responsible for alfajer going nuclear

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Kaajak was Fnatics best player by far before he got food poisoning

He was the highest rated vct player excluding Chinese players (rating wasn’t there during kickoff)

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Your stats also depend on your teammates too especially how experienced they are and how successful they were previously.
Kaajak has a great support system for him to perform to his potential.
Primmie does not have that luxury.
I am not defending Primmie in any way. Just pointing out why the comparison is skewed.

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that's not false but given people insist Derke is goat status despite that (and that he's not properly shown up since cuz sayf is a joke) and Kaajak is on par with an even sometimes outperforming Derke (particularly in regionals), it's still a pretty ridiculous notion to claim that this in any way discredits Kaajak rather than just being copium for Primmie fans.

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Derke got his goat status due to consistently performing in a longer time frame. There are many players who did super good for sometime. But derke, chronicles, aspas all are consistent that is why. If kaajak maintains his dominance then ofc he tops.

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Consistent performance backed up by this same core, that Kajaak is also performing better with.

Using long term consistency as an argument against a rookie who has played half a year in T1 and reached a grand finals is also crazy.

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That is dumb from me. But also you assuming kaajak > derke without considering consistency is also not valid.

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I want to add to Lordtachi's points:

Derke did so much even before the current support system of Chronicles and Alfa arrived at fnc. Fnc's support system is built around setting up dualist/entry as best as they can and is much better than other teams that also do the same. So, that should indeed take away some credit from derke or now kaajak

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So what you've done here is successful discredit Derke, not so much Kaajak. Coming into a good team and being better than a player some people (not me, for clarity) rate one of the all time greats is still an impressive feat even if the team is a big part of it.

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yes the comparison is skewed because one carried his team is ascension, the other was simply just hyped because of his ranked clips LOL

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he didnt have everything against him, he had an experienced igl, and 3 other well seasoned players with him prolly the best team any rookie player would want

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Effluxi

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the team had everything against them man not the individual player im not saying his team sucks obviously that'd be literally insane

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But did he win the trophy?

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KClaw

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Yeah yeah true but what abt ur super team?

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Coming from a Failed VIT fan Lmao

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more downvotes than I get

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lets be honest nobody thought GREAT of primmie,he did so well lets not lie but it aint like he was smashing tier 2 he came from ranked and all the hype was their coach talking big of him

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nobody what??? people were overhyping him before and after the ts game

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yes but he was ranked player his frist match was aginst TS i think so he did good as a rookie but team did not know how to play with him in champs they gave him comfort pick like jett clove and team comp become shit

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and that's why the coach should be held accountable

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How does FrosT even communicate with people like Primmie who don't speak english? Does Crws translate?

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most likely crws is the one translating

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To be fair, they got to champs mostly because of that Primmie debut match against TS.

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I think most people don't realize how cracked primmie is just yet. Just watch a random ranked vod of him and you'll see him do shit no one else does. He's just been on a poo team for a year so he couldn't do shit, but he's at least Canezerra tier cracked. He's just playing a different game

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canezerra tier cracked??!!

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MrBlooBloom

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Yeah you know the 16 yo who's been shitting on grown ass T1 veterans for several years already

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CaxTonYT

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yeah i know who he is but i dont think primmie is that cracked yet

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That's bc you haven't watched him play properly

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CaxTonYT

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of the 3 games he has played ( sarcastically ) i can confirmed i have watched him and hes cracked but NOT canezerra cracked

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Brother you got it twisted, canezerra isnt primmie level cracked

At this point im just convinced vlr is baiting primmie fans but on a real note just watch a primmie highlight and you will understand every piece of hype this guy gets, he even got praised by tenz and aspas what more do we want

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canezerra tier? so he's a t2 farmer at best who will never perform at the top level?

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ninjaturtle

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Buddy we've never even seen canezerra in tier 1, are you good?

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tjabo

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he's gonna be in jail before he has a chance to play ascension

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nah he's gonna get banned, he NEEDS to get pr trained

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Ahnri

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I mean yeah if you’re retarded…

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Effluxi

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who cantzerra or you

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Ahnri

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Any one who thinks a T2 farmer wont also perform in T1

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angel98

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Better to farm tier 2 than ranked

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Uribaba

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kaajak got the best eu team around him while primmie got talon

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fair point tho, ppl were thinking that Primmie can 1v5 the best teams in apac but he can only do so much and the coaching staff have no idea how to utilize him properly, give him Potter or Mini and he would become one of the best in no time

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Yea but holy shit he was putting up numbers sometimes man. Wasn't there a match against loud where he was the only person on his team in double digits at like 20+ kills on sage on ascent or something.

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MrHyphon

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Vs Lev last year

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yeah it was last year against lev. people just expect too much of him. i especially remember that match because he was 18/12 at some point in the first map and people were still shitting on him cus they expected him to go nuclear.

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egann

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tbf kaajak has crashies 👅 in his team

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kyro1

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primmie is now slept on because of all the people like you who think hes some bum. hes such a young player his team will eventually be successful and individually hes a monster.

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common kyro1 W

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CaptainMasterOfGod

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Atleast Kaajak is Ascension Champion
What primmie do to get the hype? farm ranked to post Tiktok?

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angel98

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Exactly my thoughts, if Primmie had Kaajak resume this sub would be debating if he is the goat

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Ahnri

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Maybe you’re all just plat but some of you severely undermine how hard is it to consistently top leaderboards in ranked. Theres a reason envy owns NA tier 2 and likely tier 2 in general.

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CaptainMasterOfGod

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"Tier 2" the word say it self. If you really own Tier 2 You not just win some match you must win Ascension or they all Level below Kaajak still

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Ahnri

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You're basis is something that he simply hasn't made it to yet??? lol what? This is like say oh well Primmie > Kajaak he's qualified for champs... when kajaak hasn't even been given the chance to do that yet...

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CaptainMasterOfGod

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are you stupid? He qualify to champs by played 1 match against team secret Old roster did the most of the work collect point to get to Playoffs
Players prove them self by playing full tournament not one match. Kaajak play all year to bo Ascension Champion

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Ahnri

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You just missed the point completely… how he made it to champs is not the point at all… but sure? If you wanna argue semantics. Kai from trace has been to champs kai > Kaajak…. That analogy work for you?

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CaptainMasterOfGod

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They make it to Playoffs by the point that's all work done by Old roster in playoffs they just have to win 1 match that's it. That's why 90% of work already done by former team it's whole year point 10 matches to get to playoff. that win against secret just to closer to very long journey.

and Why is Kai > Kaajak? I wonder how your brain actually work. just think about what players achieve all their career. Kaajak is Ascension champion and Masters Finalist is that hard to process?

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Ahnri

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Again there is no basic for comparison… envy has not been given the chance to play in ascension because it hasn’t even happened yet. That’s a retarded way to demonstrating players abilities.

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swf

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you have to be the braindead guy ive seen in a while on this site

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Ahnri

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Yet you can’t disprove my point retard

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At least primmie is T1’s daddy

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mulyondoindon

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nah, the team hold Primmie potential. Like dude, imagine if Primmie is playing with old Xerxia....

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TDR3000

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Prime Surf clears him on duelist

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mulyondoindon

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debatable

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flor aim>pr0mm00 aim

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jixk

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ngl put primmie on a non bum team with coach that can understand him and he cooks not living to the hype since tnez is one of the people that hyped him up but i think he wouldn't disappoint

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Jayde

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primmie is more of a movement and kajaak an aim demon

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sw4gman

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pr0m00 was never really allat thank fuck the hype died, shit was insufferable

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Astar

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primmie plays with bots
kaajak plays with alfajer

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without a doubt Kaajak is already better than primmie - role-wise, agent pool, everything. SEA dogs just like dragging him up and it's obvious to not follow a mindless shitskin like them

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username

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Karbonat_Erol

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Persia supremacy

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all it takes is just better teammates and you'll see primmie dogwalking the west teams

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xineFso

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couldn’t agree more however the “west” wasn’t really necessary since pacific is undoubtedly the strongest now but yeah

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Miyuky

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Wait thats actually real

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Kyorzo

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put kajaak in the hardest region with a mid ass team and lets see how well he performs

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primmie has a higher ceiling he just needs a better team

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angel98

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Not a higher ceilling for sure, Kaajak is much better and is a rookie

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SuperRoss

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yes, but not that much higher

if primmie wasn't surrounded by bums he'd be in the goat convo

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hey, are u calling Crws, thyy, killua and Jitboys bums??

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SuperRoss

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primmie does not have a good enough team around him

https://imgur.com/a/Mp9ULXM

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femboyhater

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nvm those are bums

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I mean Primme had Ban and Govenor on his team when he made his debut and they've been on his team for most of his time their and a coach who thinks that South Korean teams were leaking Vods and hasn't been great overall. While Kajaak came into a team with one of the best and most sucessful cores, crashies which has some of the best util of almost any player, and a staff.

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Hakujitsu

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Primmie is just unlucky most every time
Bro debut with g0vern0r and still can't do shit with full Thai roster cuz coach can't speak Thai

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primmie is very good, but it's just unfortunate he is on a mid team. i honestly think his mechanical ability is much better than kaajak, but kaajak is better overall.

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Only TenZ and few other people hyped him up