Do they deserve to win Masters Toronto? I believe they do. Dominated EMEA and they've showed more discipline than all the other teams in this tournament. If they don't win, the only other team that should win is Wolves, they've been performing well enough, as much as I dislike SiuFatBB.
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I dislike SiuFatBB. He's a tad arrogant and his family is rich. I prefer humble players
its just hype and trash talk that aint arrogance litteraly half the player this tourney been standing up and shit talking
is zellsis arrogant?nobody is t alkin bout that
I mean... I think Zellsis is the perfect example of arrogance lol glad u brought him up
You shouldn't be trash talking if you can't back it up. FNS and Zellsis are two great examples of players who do that. I remember one game when FNS told Loud "you guys are trash!" and then they lost a championship. Trash talking is just a a way to be disrespectful, sometimes it's funny, other times it's just disrespect, specially when ur calling people names.
A good example of fun trashtalking (in that case it's not even talking) is when Boaster stands up and dances like a stupid troll. He's being funny, and making fun of the other team, but not acting like a ranked player.
I agree but sulfat is on track to back it up so it's no issue.
Z0llsUs is a joke though yes
Fns won that tournament against the very team that he called trash
A good example of fun trashtalking (in that case it's not even talking) is when Boaster stands up and dances like a stupid troll. He's being funny, and making fun of the other team
You are a child
blz vira-lata, continua mamando os gringos e achando q tá certo kkkkkkkkkkkkk tira essa bandeira de BR q tu não merece ser chamado de brasileiro
vira-lata é vc irmão. mamando a piroca de BOASTER. a vai se fuder. deixa os caras xingar e que se foda. bem melhor que ficar de viadagem rebolando pro adversário
deixa de ser burro krl, tô falando que a porra do Boaster é engraçado, o cara tá dando a vida pra valorizar o FNS acima da Loud, animal
krl 2025 e tem gente que odeia o FNS por trashtalk ainda kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
vc tá tendo um problema pra entender que é os gringos contra o Brasil e sempre foi. toda vez q vc defende esses comportamentos deles, vc dá mais motivação pra eles continuarem falando mal do Brasil. vai falar também q eles terem falado um monte de merda do Brasil depois do Lock In foi só opinião tbm? Os caras chamando brasileiro de selvagem, falando que é um país sujo, que aqui a gnt não tem educação.... acorda pra realidade, os caras odeiam o Brasil krl
saying it mid game is just mind games if they were constantly mentioning that other players are shit in the post match interviews/press/any other thin basically just like demon1 was doing back in 23 i would call it arrogance
jesus christ it really isn't that deep. why fans take pros trash talking so personally is something i'll never understand
actually based, every trash talk is just a disguised way of expressing disrespect, grudges and bad feelings towards the players from the other team. But in FPS culture that goes way back from whiny kids screaming in LAN houses ,this behaviour was normalized as "just having fun"
Já, e já joguei em LAN houses, trash talk é só desrespeito disfarçado de diversão, o gamer médio de ranked em jogos de FPS é normalmente frustrado e quando compete no computador sente essa necessidade de se sentir superior e "humilhar" o adversário
I don't feel like zellsis is arrogant or anything but rather he prolly knows that he isn't as good as others also the point is trash talking makes the matches and tournament interesting on an overall fanbase of the game level and attracts audience cause u don't want all 10 of 10 people sitting there being non chalant cause that won't be fun but i understand ur point u don't like zellsis for trash talking which is completely fine since even I don't like trash talking
are we watching the same games? when has he ever shown arrogance lmao? and why the fuck would you dislike him because his family is rich????? 💀💀💀invalid af ngl
he doesn't have to win shit. his family is rich and no one depends on him. he has it easy, simple as that. matter of fact, being rich, he has an obligation to perform well in anything he does, he had extra resources and people to back him up all the way
Sounds like you’re mad u ain’t rich what does being rich affect? Mate some people just have it better but why does that encourage hate from you? Also being rich doesn’t mean you automatically perform better are u dumb?
being rich enables you to be better at everything in life. you don't have to worry about a job or studying that much like 99% of people in this site. also, you're Chinese, ofc your opinion on this is going to be biased lol gtfoh
Actually brain dead bro what does my ethnicity have in this you’re such a child grow up my family didn’t come from wealth we came from poverty and are still grinding mate I went to school that almost provided free lunch because our area was poor and I myself went to school with a sandwich and never had lunch money not all Chinese are rich
Also you sound like the type that’s mad at your own family for not being rich mate rich has nothing to do with drive and hunger and how it affects you as a person there are a lot of rich people who’s shit at what they do or turns out shit at everything they do cry more fucking kid
apparently you also can't read LMAO first of all, I don't give a shit about my family not being rich. second, I never said being Chinese = being rich, I said you're biased because SiuFatBB plays for a Chinese team and is from Hong Kong. I never said you were rich, never said your family is rich, and you're the only one who's mad here. Your double comment being angry because of absolutely nothing got a good laugh out of me. you need some therapy
you're either baiting so hard rn or are the only one in this thread that ACTUALLY needs therapy lmfao
oh my god please shut up you are blatantly misdirecting your own anger for uncontrollable factors in your own life towards random valorant players who you don't know and vice versa
and you're projecting LMAO you don't know a single thing about me, and yet you immediately jump to conclusions. it is what it is: rich people have it easier, whether you like it or not. what "anger" have I shown? you and the other guy here probably don't know the meaning of "anger", all I did was state the obvious (rich people have it easier) and you think I'm "angry". your comments are funny lol
Crying about trash-talk, then calling a mfker out for being Chinese 😭
Fucks your problem
What a loser mindset. Such a materialistic view about life tthat's sickening.
How miserable can you be to hate on a person just chz he or his family are rich. Be better bro
Deserve? Maybe yes , will they win it tho? Don't think so like they play kinda shaky rn and there are better teams basically all teams rn are better than them I think so but not by huge margins tho, but they can win since they have experience on their side
G2 and Paper Rex keep choking, I've never seen Fnatic lose a huge lead. I don't think these two teams are any better than Fnatic. Paper Rex almost lost to TL being up 11-1 and G2 almost sold the match against Gen G.
G2 didnt sell, first map they won, second map they lost with a 3 round lead and then last map they had a massive comeback, if anything geng sold.
Last map was 11-4. G2 won because Gen G was making a lot of dumb mistakes and their IGL was tilted, but they were way closer to elimination than they should be. I thought they were strong candidates to win Masters Toronto, but apparently they're not as good as I thought they were
yeah so if they arent as good as you thought then them almost losing wasnt them "selling". If G2 were obviously a better team than Geng and G2 lost then that would be them selling but the odds actually favoured geng to win for that match
Idk how people dont believe me.
3/4 of the community thought geng would win.
G2 have never choked firstly, t1 won that match but u should have seen G2 was in it as well, prx may choke tbh but they could have learned to be better , G2 almost lost to geng but made the comeback this is completely opposite to ur point as it complements they have what it takes to pull rounds in matches when it's desperately required also prx did almost choke to liquid but tbh thr fact that they atleast closed it out was something to appreciate since I could never anticipate old prx closing it out
I don't think their map pool will be the difference between winning and losing. there may be some maps where they're worse, but I think they're prepared for all maps
Pearl and sunset are guaranteed losses and they have to play them since they are from the lowers
I feel like if they end up in the finals their mental resilience could end up being a factor that outweighs map pool. Neither prx or especially wolves have as much of highest pressure game experience as most fnatic players.
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Its better in bo5 than bo1. One map being autoloss doesn't weigh as heavily in that type of series. If they keep improving their sunset a little bit like they did for the sen match they just have to eat the pearl loss. The rest is good
what makes it interesting is that g2 and fnc have many maps which they are both good in, not one sided like prx's pearl and sentinel's sunset
Just dont overrotate,dont play close angles on that braindead stinger rounds and most importantly dont be relaxed until the game over even its 12-0.I trust Boaster with full of my heart
just need boaster to realize that on eco rounds, u CAN GO FAST AND JUST 5 MAN HIT A SITE
I’m really happy to see Crashies playing his best Valorant in years. I wouldn’t be upset if they won.
That aside, them or wolves would be the dark horse, most impressive winners considering their lack of experience & the team not really being together all that long. I want G2 to win, but they’re always a contender.
also true, Crashies has been playing like he was when he played for Optic, good for him if he wins this one
Largue de ser fresco e deixe... deixe os China...
meu problema não é com a China, mas o SiuFatBB é um rico mimado q não faz mais que a obrigação dele ganhando prêmios, tá retribuindo o dinheiro que os pais dele investiram nele. pega um player como o Cauanzin que nem PC próprio tinha até uns 14/15 anos, o pc que tinha não era bom, monitor não era bom, trabalhava pra comprar pc bom, vendeu chup-chup na praia, e só conseguiu montar um setup pq o irmão juntou dinheiro do trabalho pra ajudar ele.... aí vc vai entender do que eu tô falando
89% do VCT é filho de papai man.
Cauazin é um caso a parte, e ainda assim, ele não era um favelado pardo que teve que escolher entre crime ou o Sport como no futebol. Cara querendo ou não já tava acima de 50% da população Brasileira.
Entendo oque se tá falando, mas você tá caçando cabelo em ovo, é burguês vs burguês, Valorant é um Esport de privilegiado, deixa os cara.
os próprios jogadores nem aí pra isso e o cara se contorcendo pqp ta parecendo usuário de twitter
eles não estarem nem aí e não se manifestarem contra é justamente o motivo pros gringos continuarem sempre falando mal do Brasil. o problema é exatamente esse, aceitar tudo calado q nem puta
eles não tão nem aí pq eles fazem igual cara kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk isso é normal
cara, vc tá fazendo a mesma coisa que um maluco fez contigo anteriormente. que ódio do chinês só por ele ser rico. não precisa odiar ninguém por isso. ele teve mais oportunidades, teve mais conforto. isso eh fato. mas pq caralhos tu precisa desmerecer o trajeto dele? lá na riot tá todo mundo com os melhores PCs, fones, teclados, mouses. não é isso que tá fazendo ele ganhar, mas sim seu esforço e dedicação. acho que vc tá só projetando sua inseguranças no cara. pqp hein
que insegurança porra? Corinthiano falando esse tipo de merda e defendendo rico é uma coisa q eu nunca esperava, ainda por cima defendendo rico gringo
onde caralhos to defendendo gringo rico? só falei que o cara merece estar lá. kaká mereceu toda sua carreira de futebol e ele sempre teve boas condições de vida. tu tá nervoso com o sucesso dos outros
e quando eu disse que ele NÃO merece estar lá? manda a aspas da frase exata onde eu disse isso. o que eu falei é que por ele ser rico, ele tem a OBRIGAÇÃO de honrar o dinheiro dos pais e se sair bem em QUALQUER COISA q ele faça na vida dele. é o MÍNIMO que se espera de quem não passa por dificuldade financeira
mesma coisa na faculdade, se teus pais são ricos e pagam mensalidade e moradia, o MÍNIMO que se espera de vc é que vc tire notas boas. é o mesmo conceito
o mínimo que seus pais esperam é que vc use a internet que eles pagam pra alguma coisa melhor que ficar buscando atenção na internet
eu moro sozinho filho kkkkkkkkkkkk não preciso de papai pagando nada pra mim, pelo visto é o seu caso, é o Corinthiano Palmeirense kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
com ctz tu tbm acha engraçado quando argentino e falante de espanhol chama brasileiro de m44cac0, eles dizem que é só piada e trashtalk e os brasileiros são mt sensíveis, então tu deve concordar c isso, fala aí
to all the brazillians:
Pô, galera… sinto mó falta de vocês que andam sumindo cada vez mais. Hoje em dia, raramente tem tanta gente junto. Amo vocês, viu?
All 4 teams remaining deserve to win this tournament and they all have a sweet storyline
I want them to win without crashies but lately I’ve been accepting his presence in the team so idm if they win
As long as it isn't bedge2 in finals I like all the other teams. Wolves and PRX have had great 3rd seed runs and FNC is absolutely back.
Jesus please don’t go outside if you’re getting upset by people standing and talking shit lol it’s just fps culture and you saying they can’t back it up is funny lol they are all T1 pros why don’t you go pro and be super respectful bro, these players know what they are doing and it generates clicks and interest into games
what you all fail do understand is I don't feel emotions because someone said something. I'm standing up for something I believe in, no emotion involved. "they can’t back it up is funny lol they are all T1 pros why don’t you go pro and be super respectful bro" you can criticize people, you don't need their skill to say some players are just bad. NBA players keep being criticized by people who understand the game, but wouldn't beat them in a 1v1. it's only esports fans who have this weird idea that "you can't say nothing if you're not as good as them".
kaajak is insane so he might win it for them but as a team I dont think they deserve it, insane vibes and good chemistry but they play bad outdated valorant and it shows with how many rounds they fail to transition from their shitty defaults where they do nothing to the explosive execs needed to compensate and they just end up losing the rounds to time, their defaults make no sense, they dont take map control, they dont manipulate rotations properly and they just end up gambling a late exec into one site (they cant even split properly), the biggest problem however is how they dont explode after taking an unexpected opening kill and just give time for the other team to rotate one more player, also their execs are just really slow in general, feels like nobody wants to go in and they just freeze/slow it down mid exec and thats why they lose so many rounds to time, they dont manipulate rotations properly so they just late exec as 4 or 5 into a stack/full set up and their little explosivity makes it even worse, they might have insane individuals and decent chemistry but the valorant they play is not good, the macro and calling from Boaster is not t1 level, double standards from when Sayf was igling, at least Vitality had some really good macro in kickoff, this fnatic is just wank tactically and Boaster is getting bailed out by individuals as per usual
Yeah, I don't think Boaster deserves it that much either tbh, as harsh as it is. The rest of them do imo, all of them are cracked
you might think Boaster is useless or cringe, cuz you see him do those dances on stage but in game hes more serious than you have ever been in your life thinking about your career, he might not have a good aim like the others but he is the best igl in the entire vct, he knows how to lead a team, he has been doing tons of great work and qualifying for champs and masters, winning back to back regionals with different players, and its not easy
Jesus half of this is bullshit and any analyst like sliggy or sideshow will confirm it, they literally cooked up a new ascent comp, their icebox comp is an under rated pick, so ur old meta things go out of the window , also that's how just Fnatic calls their main thing is they slow down rounds to make the enemy confused, why? Since majority of the igls and players don't have a shit ton of clue abt how to mid round and so they play into that and take advantage, I can agree tho that their time problems still exist to some extent because of this, vitality had decent mid rounding in kickoff definitely but their case is exactly like kc 2024 wherein initially they had some stuff cooked up and without any kind of previous footage on them the teams couldn't win not to mention the effect of the super team that it has 5 super star players also takes toll on mental. Their defaulting is passive in comparison to active space taking like other teams , it's not necessarily bad. Also I don't know how u got the idea but exploding into site after getting a kill isn't always the best option and they do take space and create pressure elsewhere. I feel like majority of the problems u mention are primarily existing on sunset map of fnc and I can agree those problems exist on that map of theirs
old style of play I mean how they approach and view the game, not comps, I couldnt give a shit about comps, comps are always secondary behind macro and fundamentals
"after getting a kill isn't always the best option and they do take space and create pressure elsewhere" Agree, I should have clarified it, I meant when the CTs take the A line in Haven and leave that player holding that info so they can rotate one of the A players to B/C, there are plenty of rounds like this but the one that shows this best is against GenG when kaajak gets timing and catches t3xture offguard while he is holding A line with operator, if u are smart enough as an igl u would understand that a team like GenG will always rotate at least one player if t3xture has the A line so if u freeze and u dont make enough pressure in garage or C u wont be able to pin the defence and u will face one more player than you would have if u explode together getting the opener, this also isnt an occasional mistake, its something sistematic with Boaster, he just doesnt have the fundamentals or understanding of tac fps game theory
"Their defaulting is passive in comparison to active space taking like other teams , it's not necessarily bad" its not that bad depending on how u execute it and what your goals are, the way fnatic plays is very easy to counter since they dont change it, it relies on opponents not understanding how they play and making some dumb mistake but the thing is that they are not doing anything macro wise, they dont have info, they dont have map control and ultimately they end up going for 5 mid splits which is something that u can never do in tac fps and end up in very unfavorable situations where they often just lose to time or get bad duels, if u not biased and u analyze their games its easy to tell that they win most rounds due to individual quality not because they did something good macro wise, if you think this style of play that it relies solely on a stupid mistake where an enemy solo pushes your spawn is good then its small team/loser mentality, u are not playing the game but just hoping the opponent makes some very specific mistakes which the best teams dont make, I say this as a european but we havent got a fucking clue of how to play valorant, a lot of people say asian teams are braindead but with the exception of heretics last year and liquid this year they outclass us every single time in terms of macro/fundamental understanding of how valorant should be played, we need to be way more proactive, this style of play that we have is what I would call standinavian CS but the truth is that not even in CS which is a game that favours passive play way more than valorant you will see top tier1 teams play like this, sadly this style of play is the inheritance we got from t2-t3 CS rejects becoming IGLs/coaches in european valorant
"you might think Boaster is useless or cringe, cuz you see him do those dances on stage but in game hes more serious than you have ever been in your life thinking about your career, he might not have a good aim like the others but he is the best igl in the entire vct, he knows how to lead a team, he has been doing tons of great work and qualifying for champs and masters, winning back to back regionals with different players, and its not easy"
I give arguments you are just a butthurt Boaster fanboy
Yeah agreeablez the Fnatic haven macro was atrocious , they werent taking A main too much and when they took it they hardly left behind a player to keep the pressure since geng only has texture and the viper molly to retake a main late into the round. Their 5 man going mid is kinda bad tbh and not the best play to make definitely and it's really slow as well, and I do know that how their entire play Is on letting the opponent make a mistake and that got exploited by loud in playoffs in 2023 champs wherein loud never pushed them. And the individual ability to bail them out is real but that's the thing abt them they somehow have the ability to comeback so much and also not lose their shit when it gets tough unlike so many other teams that start losing it and thus their chances of winning goes dramatically up
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Honestly all 4 teams deserve the win but in order it should be prx first bcoz they’ve lost twice. I want to say g2 second but they’re not showing a continuous dominance so instead I’ll say Fnatic the team was built to win trophies and boaster is def the greatest igl of all time, then g2 redemption arc and last wolves only coz they’ve lost twice are on some very lucky run ATM
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