“Mako is the best controller”

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Amygdala30

I’ve seen this guy in debates for greatest of all time and it’s confusing. What has he even done to deserve that? 1 regional trophy his best international placement is top 3.

https://www.vlr.gg/458824/drx-vs-boom-esports-champions-tour-2025-pacific-stage-1-w4/?game=206209&tab=overview

https://www.vlr.gg/458824/drx-vs-boom-esports-champions-tour-2025-pacific-stage-1-w4/?game=206207&tab=overview

https://www.vlr.gg/418818/trace-esports-vs-drx-valorant-radiant-asia-invitational-lr1/?game=191236&tab=overview

Mako has really good Kd but his acs is terrible, he plays kd. His adr on every agent is also below 140 so he’s not even getting enough damage to kill people if it isn’t on eco

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you think you're making think peices but you're really just a retard lol

respect mako his coach is useless and his team was full of chokers for years

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Mako is literally the only common denominator besides termi in all his placements. Admit he’s apart of the chokers.

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gamergirl

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https://www.vlr.gg/378833/team-heretics-vs-drx-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/248280/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/167391/loud-vs-drx-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-sf
https://www.vlr.gg/130691/optic-gaming-vs-drx-valorant-champions-2022-lbf

okay retard!

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https://www.vlr.gg/378822/drx-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-2024-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/365321/gen-g-vs-drx-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-2-gf/?game=176187&tab=overview

https://www.vlr.gg/167391/loud-vs-drx-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-sf/?game=113124&tab=overview

He’s not good when it matters, hope this helps!

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I'm trying to educate you, Mako literally DRAGGED his team in every one of those series I linked

you sent me a 13-5 map where ofc mako didn't play well, because his team got stomped

The only time Mako has ever played poorly when DRX needed him was at Copenhagen, and you didn't even link the Copenhagen game

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Mako is a common denominator to a team of chokers, he can drag his team there but he falls off when it matters. He can’t perform when his team needs him. It’s impossible for his team to always be chokers besides him.

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BRO LINKED A MAP FROM A SERIES WHERE MAKO went +16 LMFAOOO

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Amygdala30

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What series was it? I can easily find another where he went -30. My mistake.

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hes not like bang going -30 brother chill out

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Bang doesn’t give -30?

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neither does mako but that equation only works for individuals who have a brain to utilise

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You aren’t making sense

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nah it's all t0rmi

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nobody___100

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occasional based asf goonergirl take

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is that why buzz and stax have an international 🤔😅😳

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gamergirl

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autumn fixed their choking genes

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stats aren't everything. a good smoke that wins a round with good timing/placement won't show up on stats. clutches don't really show up on stats. he's one of those players, not a tenz frag out kinda smoker

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So his util makes him a top player while he can’t frag anything besides ecos and exits. Got it👍

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m3

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I wouldn't pick him up for his fragging, but he is T1 level without a doubt.

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Yeah he is T1 level but he isn’t where he’s hyped up to be.

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m3

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he's prob top3 smokes in pacific

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m3

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wait I just looked at ur post history.

330 posts in 6 days get me out!

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his fragging is also top tier for controller. He wins most of his 50/50s and his util is easily one of the best. name a better controller

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Amygdala30

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His fragging is not good? He plays last alive and just gets exits and ecos?

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LycheeBlade

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stop using numbers to justify ability/impact challenge (impossible)

using k/d or acs to discuss a smokes/IGL player is crazy work

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Amygdala30

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His kd and acs and add are opposites, he farms ecos and exit frags.

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notepicfailboi

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What has he done to deserve that?

Maybe watch the games.

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Amygdala30

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And watch him permanently get 5-6th place? Okay lmao…

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notepicfailboi

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“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person” - Bill Murray

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Amygdala30

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Using a quote from someone smarter than you to make yourself seem smarter😂

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Just another choker that made a career in 2021/2022 with highlights against farmers

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Mako fans need to take notes

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Why is he still making highlights then???? Call him whatever you want but his understanding on the smokes roles is unmatched, at least in pacific. He doesn't have the best aim, but he is a terrifying anchor and lurker. Not an "eco fragger". I swear all of you are watching with your eyes closed omfg.

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He makes 1 highlight every 4 games he can’t frag and his highlights are all him last alive.

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Maybe because he was igling for half a year?

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So is sayf and he gets highlights, so is valyn, so is Johnqt, so is stax

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Sayf has put up shit numbers in the last half a year on vitality as igl. Stax has been igling since 2022. Valyn and johnqt are amazing players. But mako is consistently fragging out for the team. Watch the kill board when drx plays next. He is always good for one or two on lurks and is there to trade his team, or to clutch up which is exactly what the smokes players do on the team. It doesn't change the fact that mako has high impact in the server.

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Sayf has not been putting up shit numbers and mako is farming ecos and exits. His damage per round and acs prove that.

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zuhazuhazyhazyha

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which part of afghanistan u from

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rashid khan

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MathMaterial

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0/8

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0/8

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Amygdala30

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What does 0/8 mean

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mako is a bad caller idk why hes so hyped. ever since stax left even with his star rosters hes done virtually naught

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5-6th place merchant

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Pretty sure mako hasn't been the igl lately. and he was never the main caller in the past either. Only igled briefly after stax left in some games.

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x_knowitall39_x

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free1ing called for the offseason and mako aint like it so he took the igl role back

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buyprxclassic

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yeah and now estrellas igling and has been for the past 2 games

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mongu

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HenBabyH’s throne might get stolen if Amygdala30 keeps on doing this!

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Doing what?

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You've taken the place as the dumbest sen fan in a matter of 1 week.

You have only started watching vct recently otherwise we woudldnt be HAVING this conversation

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Amygdala30

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“Dumbest fan” and I’m just saying my opinion, if you wanna debate I’m open but I’m not gonna just let you insult me.

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aquaa018s_alterego

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i agree with the other guy

could you name me a better controller than mako over the course of his tenure?

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Amygdala30

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Marved, Karon, bang, tenz for the short time, pancada

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Marved fell off 23-25
Karon was good for 1 season only
bang has less success than mako
tenz only played omen
pancada fell off 23-24

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Amygdala30

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Pancada didn’t fall off 23-24 he got benched because of roles. Bang has the same amount of trophies as mako
Karon is good this season aswell
Marved didn’t fall off his teams just sucked

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Pancada and Marved both took turns bottom fragging in 2023 on sen
Bang has made 2 internationals and gotten 4th and 7th
A 2 season wonder isnt better than a player who has been good his whole career

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Amygdala30

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2023-2024 Sen had like 3 controller players and a senti that had fnd current fnd numbers. And neither played smoked it was sacy.

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aquaa018s_alterego

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Sacy never TOUCHED smokes are we serious????
He was literally the only initiator on the team

marved played brim/astra the entire time

you have GOT to be a new vct watcher

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foythvlr

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sacy played smokes briefly when d0phh was on the team that was funny

continue thread →

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Amygdala30

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https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3

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pancada didnt even play smokes in 23 🤣🤣 barely even played in 24 as well
karon is the best player on GenG and depending on the rest of the year will become the best smokes in pacific undeniably
tenz only playing omen is a naught issue

know ball before you talk twin

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aquaa018s_alterego

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tenz played smokes for 1 season
karon being the best player on geng is irrelevant to the fact that mako is better than him
if pancada didnt even play smokes for a season how is he the goat smokes?

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I never said tenz is better than mako so don't bother arguing it, I just said how your reasoning was irrelevant.

karon clears mak0, sorry to spoil

that pancada point is so brain dead i'm not even going to argue it

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Tenz was technically a flex player, but played omen most of the time so yeah ig hes a smokes but not really

ur a geng fan so no point arguing with ur karon point

pancada just ISNT the smokes goat. idk how to explain it but it just is to me

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Amygdala30

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And during that one season he peaked higher than mako ever has.

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this is nitpicking. just go to his all-time stats. all the controllers he used are positive rating + great kast + really high APR number. his KPR, ADR and ACS is overall not even bad too.

"but he farms against plumbers!!"

just go look every international he went to. decent to great numbers in every single on of them since 21. you can question why he havent left drx yet and how he might be a problem on team building, but his individual consistency is really great

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All time stats are irrelevant because they include random farmers leagues and off season against tier 3 teams. I’m not counting all time.

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foythvlr

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Ok. Then i will copy and paste: just go look every international he went to. decent to great numbers in every single on of them since 21

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We don’t claim this guy

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Amygdala30

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We? We don’t even have the same flair? You have a gen.g flair.

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TheAceGamer30

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I rep the sen fans we don’t claim you . Please stop 👍

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Amygdala30

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I’ve never seen you before so I don’t think Sen fans know you.

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aquaa018s_alterego

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you dont know ace gamer ???

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Amygdala30

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I have no clue who this guy is.

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Ace gamer is an elysium alt

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Amygdala30

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Is everyone an elysium alt now? People keep Saying that.

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You are an elysium alt

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Amygdala30

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You’re an elysium alt

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Its insane to me that this guy has a like a cult of personalities following him. Anything adversive or objective you say about him is met with extreme reactions. Which means they know you what say is right lmao

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Lmao, nobody on here proves me wrong they just insult me until they feel they are right.

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Mako is great but not the goat. The issue with finding a controller goat is because there have been no consistent controllers. For example, Tenz only smoked for one year. Pancada did not play for a year. Marved has not been good since 2022. And so on so forth. My personal goat would probably still have to be Pancada, but Mako´s consistency is what puts him in the goat convo.

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guys i’ve been thinking recently and imo, the moonlight greatsword (bloodborne version) has the most aura of any sword ever

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foythvlr

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master sword?? cmon now

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ludwig cutscene clears

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Amygdala30

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Idk what that is but I agree because it sounds cool

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You're not escaping the baiter allegations with this one bud

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Amygdala30

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“Bait” and it’s just an opinion you disagree with.

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You can keep saying this but I refuse to believe you're dumb enough that you don't know what you're doing, but I could always be wrong

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Amygdala30

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What is it and people believing I’m dumb, nobody here wants to actually prove me wrong or find stats or games of their own so they just insult my intelligence and call me dumb???

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Hey I said "I refuse to believe you're dumb", it's not my fault you keep trying to prove me wrong! For your sake I sincerely hope you're just baiting cause otherwise this is just sad
I'd also like to say that I don't expect you to admit to just be baiting, I know that ruins some of the fun

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Believe whatever you want and keep insulting me because you’re too ignorant to actually argue against me. You can’t admit I’m right because it would ruin your perfect world where mako is the best controller.

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Okay that's what I thought. Thanks man, I needed a good laugh

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What?

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did you name yourself amygdala because you dont have one

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Amygdala30

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No I just thought it’s a cool name to have, and the 30 is because I watch the nba and the warriors are my favorite team. I like Steph curry.

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Nitpicking not even series but MAPS is some of the dumbest shit ive ever seen. You can do this for any player. No other controller has been at the top as long as he has. Of course his acs and adr arent high he plays his life like a controller should. Controllers should die the least out of anyone on their team trying to use this as a reason why he is "bad" is dumb asf

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Mako inernatioan finals:0
Karon and pancada international finals each: 2
Karon pancada trophies: Karon=3 pancada=2
Mako trophies=0 not even a regional

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pANcada has 1 trophy champs 2022
Karon has 1 trophy masters 2, 2023
no one gives a shit about regionals.
Mako has been to almost every international since 2021, pANcada was not there 2023 or 2024 even if 2023 was not fully his fault due to role issues. Karon might surpass him, but he's played for 1/5 the time mako has and they've missed the same amount of international. And its not like DRX consistently boom out of those. Equating skills to trophies is stupid as shit. Bang isnt a better controller than mako because he won a regional trophy once. CNed isnt as good as aspas because he won champs 2021. There is no controller as consistent as mako in the world. That is why he is the best controller aot

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Why is the argument always no one gives a shit about regionals” when we talk about a player with no regionals😂 mako still has no internationals finals appearances. His two teamed left his team and won a tournament their first event without him. Maybe mako is the problem on why they can’t win.

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No, no one has ever cared about regionals. No one says aspas has 2 trophies, he has one champs 22. Its also 1 of the reasons people say he isnt the goat. And, yes the rest of his team wasn't shit that's why they were consitently top 6 in internationals. Its a team game, but it wasnt just buzz and stax on the team, Rb, Foxy9, and zest havent won since. And, quick math 2<3. So, no Mako isn't the only reason they haven't won again its a team game.

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Fox9 Just left and 1 tournament has been played since, terrible point. Zest doesn’t have a team. Terrible point, and rb went to China but I will count him.

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Foxy9 on a team that didn't make Bangkok, and Zest played on Bleed and Bleed were the worst team in pacific when he was on the team. Rb did go to China and China is good he just hasn't performed anywhere near the level that Mako has since leaving. While playing in an easier region.

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Zest joined the team after a couple games he wasn’t there form the start. Fox9 didn’t make Bangkok because they lost to the winners of the event buzz and stax. And rb is not on a good team he still performs well.

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Rb has been in China for 2 years now performing ok at best. Zest was still on a dysfunctional team and played like shit. And, you cannot compare Kickoff T1 to Bangkok playoffs T1; 2 completely different teams. If you think they are close to the same level of gameplay you havent watched the games or are just braindead. DRX beat T1 2x in kickoff.

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Kickoff T1 was still a top 8 team in the world so I can compare them

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He won kickoff

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Well according to everyone else that’s still zero trophies. Regionals don’t matter. Karon and pancada still have more trophies than him.

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Do you think lakia is a better initiator than riens?

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No? This is a terrible example because Riens has actually made international finals unlike mako.

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registered may 1st 2025

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https://www.vlr.gg/482002/new-to-vct/#1

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don't worry, with time you will understand what "goat contention" truly means

try not to look at stats too much, and watch the game more

unless ur in high school, then DONT FUCKING PROCRASTINATE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wise words as always from nuthoneycheerios

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<333

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you cherrypicked 2 games against boom where they had 0 practice time with flashback suddenly taking a leave of absence and so everyones roles were messed up and you didnt even choose a game from the actual vct season for the last

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Why is it always a cherry-pick? Why can’t people just admit mako isn’t the best controller?

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everyone can admit that he is infact a good controller.

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He is, but he’s not best

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113 messages??? in the last 2 hours??? yall we need a job

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Amygdala30

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Me when people have freetime

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guys what does this mean, im employed

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Mako not good

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mako is the greatest controller this game has ever seen, I'm guessing ur silver

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I’m bronze right now

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Agreed, Mako does not deserve the "best controller" title, not to mention the GOAT title

But that doesn't mean you should bring out 3 underperformed games, including one off season match. Mako is for sure top 10 controllers OAT he is not bad.

Also W ragebait u made like 3 of these each with 100+ replies

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I appreciate the compliment and you’re right I need to use more proof if I want to make my point clear. So I will leave with this, how can you be the goat, if you’ve never been the best in your role for a year?

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MaKo deserves GOAT of smoker rn, better you watch his gameplay not by data

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I’ve seen his gameplay, he’s not the goat. How can you be the goat but you’ve never been the best in your role?

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He is the best in his role

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Mako is the goat controller, but he's never been the best one
2021: only arguable year, but nats on viper >>>>>>
2022: year of pancada and marved, unlucky (mako's peak year)
2023: demon1/jawg, also lowkey boaster
2024: karon smoggy, kinda tenz
2025 so far: valyn, sylvan, dos9 in regionals

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How can you be the goat if you’ve never been the best in your role?

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Aspas is the goat duelist, but he's never been the best
one
2021:
2022: Yay
2023: Demon1, Jawg, Something, kangkang
2024: Kangkang, T3xture, Zekken

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Bait or retard

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Neither

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I personally would have prime s0m, kar0n or pAncada over mako but he's definitely should be in the conversation at least for now.

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prime s0m???

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You must be really new to valorant.

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league

There you go bud.

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k

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Look at the round differences. More than doubled of Mako's rounds.

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Also imagine losing to zeta in your "prime"

https://www.vlr.gg/85533/drx-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-lr2

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s0m went -10 against BLG, your point?

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That wasnt on his prime

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Brother

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Karon is in the conversation but I don’t think s0m is

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Imma put Mako over bang any day

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https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=14&region=all&min_rounds=1500&min_rating=1&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=45&region=all&min_rounds=1500&min_rating=1&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all
https://x.com/willminder/status/1830345271907102840
https://x.com/willminder/status/1829609248432800005
https://x.com/willminder/status/1828881955494211611

Go check yourself ret*rd sen fan, where's is your bang? Currently regional leagues from 2023 to now, MaKo has 1067 assists in total meanwhile your freakin controller only 87 more assists than valyn, who joined the league late 1 year LMAO

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Another slur… zero moderation here huh? People hate Sen fans so much they would use discriminatory words…

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How he got 4 stars before me...

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Bait people / horrible takes = high engagement = stars!!

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Wait, are stars purely engagement and not up vote rate?

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Wow... I didn't know these type of people existed. Definition of stat watching and never actually watching one match that isnt a SEN match

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I watch more than Sen matches, stats don’t lie.

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chichoo better

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Might be the greatest rage bait of all time. Like the execution of the ragebait is 11/10

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people hate but it's true. mako has never been good

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He is retard like name me a controller who has the longevity of mako and has been a top player on smokes like mako for so long he has been great every year in his valorant career the closest is pANcada . In terms of skill and longevity like bro put some respect on his name . Like ya in terms of raw skill I put pANcada over mako but like all time mako clears pancada was great for only two years 2022 , 2025 , 2024 didnt play all that much but overtime became their best player . 2023 not his fault sen'd roles that year gave me brain damage .

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Bang is everything u named

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Bro the only thing bang is your freedom of speech lmao

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What does that even mean? That was so unfunny, why are you laughing?