much easier to like them when they're not 11-8 come backing your favorite team

The fact that he uses "inherently human" implies an absolutist view, "social context" is literally humans copying other humans (mimesis) => this is why it differs by society

Language, including what it means to be “inherently human”, evolves with what the current prevalent society defines to be moral; in this case, although you may not care for modern west outlook window, from its perspective lack of empathy can be tied to not being inherently human, and calling a lack of empathy as “inherently inhuman” can be interpreted as relativism. I can see how one may interpret it as absolutism, but that’s largely just semantics

I'm sick of the empathy card being played all the time tbh, completely arbitrary foundations and easy to employ against outgroup ideology. I am a principled person. I am not incentivized to go against established societal precepts because optimization towards common societal good is desirable. The prosperity of the individual will always be directly linked in some part to the prosperity of the collective. I don't need "empathy" for that.

This is interesting. Mind elaborating the outgroup ideology part + prosperity of individual part / linked to prosperity of collective? I’m personally incentivized to not flame pro players on the internet because it fits within my own moral outlook (which isn’t absolute) and makes me feel better about myself

"Don't be mean to me on the internet" brother log off. Self-inflicted

I mean yea, people are going to be mean on the internet, but it’s more of a “what will be the impact on the player’s mental” which is that it will negatively impact them, and if posters don’t realize this because of labels, it’s because they don’t apply the same feeling of empathy towards players that they do to the general public, which is what original comment was getting at.

Forum posts are really fucking mean to pros and damaging to their mental which is why most of them avoid viewing forums (I mean, hopefully…), but lack of acknowledgment that forum posts are really mean demonstrates a distancing from said pros. Empathy exists even under moral nihilism, and lack of empathy leading to mean posts to pros can be explained by an emotional distancing, even without discussion of morals

Going back to the actual initial argument (that I have strayed off of big time…), mimetic behavior is an alternative or additive argument, but it doesn’t encapsulate the labels —> emotional distancing and lack of empathy leading—> people are mean. Mimetic behavior explains moral relativism and thus why original commenter believes that this is inherently wrong, but the label explanation is separate and makes sense even with moral nihilism

driving artificial equality in an inherently unequal environment is pointless and actively harms said environment. It can only be afforded to some degree. It's a tradeoff.

Mind elaborating here? It’s an interesting idea but I don’t quite get what you’re saying

Also the contrast of typing a well reasoned argument and then telling the five minute window to suck your cock is so funny 😭

And despite ideological differences thanks for replying with effort this made me think through things

The marrying of egalitarianism and "being human" is flawed. Infact, it is an unapproachable ideal. All humans are not granted equal disposition, and championing of arrangements that favour such ideal will ultimately fail. It sounds really nice in theory though.

I agree that humans are inherently flawed and discrimination will always exist. But should we not try to view everyone as equal because it will "ultimately fail"? Is there no point in not harassing players because "such ideal will ultimately fail"? How else has progress been made in history concerning women's rights, civil rights, lgbqt+ rights?

Egalitarianism has kind of been ingrained in the West since the Enlightenment and now modern society thanks to globalization, but yeah the idea that egalitarianism is part of what makes us human is somewhat iffy; rather, I should've phrased this as empathy

if you can't see that 90% of the posts on vlr is highly harmful to players' mental and lack empathy.. I think it's clear that you weren't arguing against moral absolutism and playing devil's advocate for the sake of genuine discussion and more for an edgy teen viewpoint :( it's pretty clear that you have detached yourself from these players as actual humans which kind of demonstrates #11...

His argument is not absolutist btw. Moral relativism argues that morals do exist but relative to the societal context; in this case a societal context of empathy + egalitarianism. You're arguing from more of a nihilist standpoint

no what; you misconstrued their argument as "humans are mimetic which is why vlr is so full of hate" instead of "lack of empathy from the role of spectator rather than participant", they corrected you to the meaning of their original argument, and then you made an argument surrounding morality while focusing on the semantics of human vs. nonhuman?

whether you're a moral nihilist, moral relativist, moral absolutist doesn't neglect the fact that throughout history, morals are a framework in which people react off of

besides, existence of empathy and non-absolute morality/amorality are not mutually exclusive. although empathy can be activated by genuinely affirming egalitarianism which is a moral framework, empathy does not necessarily need to be activated through the existence of morals

obviously we can't retroactively determine whether participants in the colosseum gleefully reacted to his opponent being knocked down, but it was somewhat of a thought experiment. humans empathize with people similar to them and don't empathize those dissimilar even if through fake measures like labels: racism is the prime example of this as a societally created label with no genetic basis

applying the "humans empathize with people similar to them and don't empathize those dissimilar" to colosseum fighters: participants are more likely to empathize to each other despite being what you claim to be "labels" (but in this case, these labels are more than just societally cultivated with no basis: these participants have to fight each other while observers are physically and emotionally separated from the action)

further applying this to esports players: us vlr kids who will likely never step foot on a pro stage are emotionally and physically distanced from these players, making us less likely to empathize with them and thus create an environment that is more likely to be hateful

semantics about human vs. nonhuman that you seem to be arguing over the most: I also disagree with moral absolutism, but in our societal, cultural, globalized context, the meaning of being "human" is closely tied with egalitarianism, and distancing ourselves from players without thinking about them as real people can be described as "inhumane". language evolves with context, and so in our current context, this meaning of "human" is correct

I might be misconstruing your argument tho, but it's always fun to see moral absolutism being talked about on the internet

man thanks for giving me something to do while procrastinating

I glaze where glaze is due

how does this guy have 0 bad takes???

definition of 🔥✍️ bruh

holy fuck I didn't realize people could actually think on this site

but seriously this is an insanely good synthesis of hatred on vlr and hatred on the internet directed towards celebrities in general

wait I'm genuinely so shocked this is such a good take and on vlr of all sites???

The real question is, which variant 😼

Bait people / horrible takes = high engagement = stars!!

Wise words as always from nuthoneycheerios

The craziest thing about this draw method is that it GUARANTEED that G2 and SEN would be in the same group. Since they were #1 and #2, either G2 gets swapped and SEN doesn't or vice versa. Either way, there was never a world where the two best teams aren't lumped together. Such a poor design

I didn’t even think about this…

I’ve never taken it, but barely any colleges take it for actual credit so it doesn’t really matter what you get on it. Don’t stress too much about it

are you willing to do one for 100T!!

hey hear me out

I had them #3 seed going into Toronto into an underdog run. :(

search jacob clifford. thank me later

I had them winning stage 1...

vs 100T he had 2 in like four rounds. never feel safe when this man is alive

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LMAOOO THAT WAS SO PEAK BUT ALSO SO SAD

only team G2 can't comeback on is SEN I guess

influence of being teammates w/ asuna for two (three?) years

Wait this is so real

People who “bait” making G2 McDonald’s jokes are actually miserable

Is watching G2 in playoffs really entertaining now? Maybe it’s because I don’t have to feel the pain of watching G2 own the team I root for, but yesterday G2 MIBR was actual cinema and G2 SEN has been a fun watch so far too

It’s not like they’re explicitly throwing though, just that G2 team play is so so good so far

It’s so ugly too. China always has the best 😔

Not only calls. The anti (esp when g2 was on attack) was p crazy, huge props to G2 coaching staff

Idk why fatshaming is so hated? I just want the best for these guys when I fatshame them (G2 Players), who knows maybe one fat guy will start a diet if he gets fatshamed so it would be worth it or are you saying being obese is healthy for someone? Like I genuinely confused maybe someone can help me

Nice bait man

holy shit that video has insanely high production value

2023 either had insane storylines or I'm just nostalgic. drx v/s; fnc super team; that iteration of prx roster last dance; loud; eg villains holy shit man

drx/vision striker roster was everything 💔💔

wait I'm not a football fan walk me through this

is this cause Tottenham is shit but Kane is good individually? I thought Son Heung-min was spurs star but could be due to asian propaganda

ahh I had assumed they were just going to face the other group (omega --> alpha; alpha --> omega) but this is very scary now.

maybe to the community. to the orgs though, it's a shit ton of money

I had C9 as stage 1 winners...

what happened in 2024

this game was also qual for ewc tho, as top 2 each region is auto quald while the other 2 slots each region have to do an online qualifier

gee gee

Shit that was not how you do it

****

Dark times indeed for us fellow G2 haters friends so yeah i was thinking the best way to stay united and remain strong is by creating a discord server
I got my boy Samuel (Uncle Sam) he says he can moderate it no problem and ban any sign of G2 glazing, but we dont want a dead server thats why
we need a confirmation of at least 30 people, we will have rols and shit like "L0af haters" and "T1 fans" and we will have a meme channel of course (no +18 or ban unless Uncle Sam likes it).
So yeah if you want me to invite you to the server just comment with "WHY DID YOU USE THE SHORTY Y0Y IT WAS FREE ROUND" and ill hit you up

IS THAT TWICE IN A ROW??? WHAT THE FUCK

I can't tell if this is bait or if you actually think like this

I have never seen a team so undeserving of everything they accomplished so far, if you can call what they did accomplishments (not even one trophy? so cute), every team they defeat is more about they other team choking than G2 having any merit in they win. Even yesterday they celebrated like they just won champions because they knew, they KNEW throwing this many coinflips in a row and just winning everytime shouldnt be possible. Literally why do they even play valorant? just head the casino bro with this luck you will win more there than whatever you make in these tourneys plus you will give valorant greater storylines because who the fuck are even G2 players am i right, like idk what do you guys think im sure im very on the minority that just thinks G2 only purpose in existing is to ruin the comp scene

I have never seen a team so undeserving of everything they accomplished so far, if you can call what they did accomplishments (not even one trophy? so cute), every team they defeat is more about they other team choking than G2 having any merit in they win. Even yesterday they celebrated like they just won champions because they knew, they KNEW throwing this many coinflips in a row and just winning everytime shouldnt be possible. Literally why do they even play valorant? just head the casino bro with this luck you will win more there than whatever you make in these tourneys plus you will give valorant greater storylines because who the fuck are even G2 players am i right, like idk what do you guys think im sure im very on the minority that just thinks G2 only purpose in existing is to ruin the comp scene

Sometimes supporting 100T makes me wanna shoot myself but at least it’s willingly. I would unwillingly shoot myself before willingly supporting SEN though

You don’t even need to watch the games… Demon1 plays Jett/smokes, icy is duelist. they’re different roles although I get the nostalgia of seeing EG Demon1

My bad, I was tryna be unserious but I forgot that there are people on this forum who would unironically compare themselves to Galileo when making an opinion statement 😭😭

I’m srs about the shin ramyun > real ramen though.

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth

The world wasn’t ready for da Vinci’s flying machines

It may have neurologically impacted me in my developing years

Just like my mouth after shin ramyun but not real ramen. I don’t think that’s a coincidence 😠

Only person who’s ever agreed with me is my sister, but I think it’s a genetic difference between my family and the rest of the world

During Galileo’s time, the world wasn’t ready to hear about the planets revolving around the sun