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that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.
(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
a. i did not get indoctrinated by any media, I have known since i was 7.
b. even if you aren't born with it, there are still things you arent born with that you treat, like cancer.
c.If treatment to gender dysphoria has helped people mentally, and physically, why are you against it?
d. even if according to you, "trans women are not women", is there no utilitarian gain for treating them as women. Imagine a fully transitioned person, it would just be very messy and awkard to misgender them on purpose, imagine someone like hunter schafer being called a man.
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
Reply to your previous ignorant justification of "I don't agree with"
Please elaborate.. what don't you agree with?
Do you not agree with the scientifically proven fact that someone's brain chemical compound consistently gives signals to the owner of said brain that they're not the gender that they were assigned at birth based on sex?
Do you not agree with their synapse flows?
Do you not agree with the major depressive disorder that the person is usually diagnosed with while trying to fight the signals from the brain and act as nothing is happening?
Do you not agree with the fact that there's different variations of cerebral chemical compounds, and therefore everyone is and should be simply the same, in order to match a "normality" meter arbitrarily created?
Or in reality you simply don't agree with things that you do not care to study and understand?
You don't need to mention racism, it goes without saying.
The thought process is the equivalent of saying "I don't agree with the fact that people from arabian penunisula have the necessary brain to function in a normal society, because their anatomy is different than mine" Just because I say "I don't agree with" does not make it not racist.
While the above statement might have some technical truths in it (yes, there's usually a different anatomy structure based on continental origins), it simply ignores a bunch of other scientifically defines truth in order to reach a "different view". And yes, you can call it a different view. That different view is simply defined by racisms. Much like your different view is simply defined by transphobia
there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
You're wrong here as well... race is not something that you are born with, you're simply assigned one, much like a gender. Race is a social construct, much like gender.
Don't confuse ethnicity with race, nor sex with gender.
The only race that we can be born with is homo sapiens, we're all this race and genus. Everything else is just things that people tell you that you are.
number1_cned_hater [#2]no
If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
I love how the logic behind the indoctrination point is: “if you tell a child that trans people exist they will be trans”
Like bruh its just informing them about a group of people who exist in the world.
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
man shut up I don't wanna hear it from "retiredradiant" anymore ( agreeing with you)
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
Man’s about to be destroyed for not agreeing with bs lmfao
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
means a lot:)
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
RetiredRadiant W
StutterSt3p [#25]Let's be real people that say "If I speak" are pussies. Like own your beliefs and say them lmao.
If I speak
StutterSt3p [#25]Let's be real people that say "If I speak" are pussies. Like own your beliefs and say them lmao.
If I speak
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
how can u be so sure if u didnt feel any of this before?
do u have superpowers?
Foccuz [#34]how can u be so sure if u didnt feel any of this before?
do u have superpowers?
the same way how i never have schizophrenia but know that it's not normal
amyayayy [#15]a. i did not get indoctrinated by any media, I have known since i was 7.
b. even if you aren't born with it, there are still things you arent born with that you treat, like cancer.
c.If treatment to gender dysphoria has helped people mentally, and physically, why are you against it?
d. even if according to you, "trans women are not women", is there no utilitarian gain for treating them as women. Imagine a fully transitioned person, it would just be very messy and awkard to misgender them on purpose, imagine someone like hunter schafer being called a man.
a. how do you know that? could you not attest this to confirmation bias? im sure you had conflicting thoughts and once you made the decision, you dismissed those "negative" thoughts altogether. just assuming tho.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
its not a treatment. its avoiding the problem. they will forever feel that they are not "technically" women, instead of accepting, learning and growing into their own skin, loving themselves the way they are.
d. people are different, some people look feminine and some don't. this doesnt excuse the fact that they were born a certain way. imagine that person with a beard. hunter just took hrt to look less like that.
amyayayy [#15]a. i did not get indoctrinated by any media, I have known since i was 7.
b. even if you aren't born with it, there are still things you arent born with that you treat, like cancer.
c.If treatment to gender dysphoria has helped people mentally, and physically, why are you against it?
d. even if according to you, "trans women are not women", is there no utilitarian gain for treating them as women. Imagine a fully transitioned person, it would just be very messy and awkard to misgender them on purpose, imagine someone like hunter schafer being called a man.
bud knew what he was at 7 while others were playing outside and having fun
h786 [#36]a. how do you know that? could you not attest this to confirmation bias? im sure you had conflicting thoughts and once you made the decision, you dismissed those "negative" thoughts altogether. just assuming tho.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
its not a treatment. its avoiding the problem. they will forever feel that they are not "technically" women, instead of accepting, learning and growing into their own skin, loving themselves the way they are.
d. people are different, some people look feminine and some don't. this doesnt excuse the fact that they were born a certain way. imagine that person with a beard. hunter just took hrt to look less like that.
gender dysphoria kills too?? hrt is known to help prevent suicide rates
Cresp [#19]I love how the logic behind the indoctrination point is: “if you tell a child that trans people exist they will be trans”
Like bruh its just informing them about a group of people who exist in the world.
This is the same thing that was performed in the past by ignorant ppl in regards to homosexual awareness. "Don't tell children about gay people because they'll become gay". We're simply repeating history
It's an advanced level of stupidity that unfortunately reached "normality" rates in some cultures, therefore they see it as "their truth/different view"
Sadly, intelligence and common sense are... not that common.
vnvodich [#38]Just curious, do you have any traumatic abuse/experience when you were kid, the kind where Chris Hansen interested in. Are you addicted to porn?
nope, i had a normal childhood, not addicted to porn (i didnt get horny before i was like 14?). I just knew i was a girl, dressed like one, and yeah i found out that it was a real thing when i was 9 (read the newspaper) and it was the mkst excited i had been
jkjkjk [#16]Reply to your previous ignorant justification of "I don't agree with"
Please elaborate.. what don't you agree with?
Do you not agree with the scientifically proven fact that someone's brain chemical compound consistently gives signals to the owner of said brain that they're not the gender that they were assigned at birth based on sex?
Do you not agree with their synapse flows?
Do you not agree with the major depressive disorder that the person is usually diagnosed with while trying to fight the signals from the brain and act as nothing is happening?
Do you not agree with the fact that there's different variations of cerebral chemical compounds, and therefore everyone is and should be simply the same, in order to match a "normality" meter arbitrarily created?
Or in reality you simply don't agree with things that you do not care to study and understand?You don't need to mention racism, it goes without saying.
The thought process is the equivalent of saying "I don't agree with the fact that people from arabian penunisula have the necessary brain to function in a normal society, because their anatomy is different than mine" Just because I say "I don't agree with" does not make it not racist.
While the above statement might have some technical truths in it (yes, there's usually a different anatomy structure based on continental origins), it simply ignores a bunch of other scientifically defines truth in order to reach a "different view". And yes, you can call it a different view. That different view is simply defined by racisms. Much like your different view is simply defined by transphobia
there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.You're wrong here as well... race is not something that you are born with, you're simply assigned one, much like a gender. Race is a social construct, much like gender.
Don't confuse ethnicity with race, nor sex with gender.
The only race that we can be born with is homo sapiens, we're all this race and genus. Everything else is just things that people tell you that you are.
i wish i was more educated on this topic to respond to you. thats my response. i will agree to disagree.
h786 [#42]i wish i was more educated on this topic to respond to you. thats my response. i will agree to disagree.
"I will agree that I don't know enough about the topic but I will form an opinion on it anyways knowing that I don't know enough" is a fucking insane way to walk away from a conversation
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
Amen brotha
fontea [#43]"I will agree that I don't know enough about the topic but I will form an opinion on it anyways knowing that I don't know enough" is a fucking insane way to walk away from a conversation
yes. I hope someone can respond with a better argument, I am recognising my own shortcoming in the topic but in no way am I dismissing it. there are multiple sides for everything, you cannot argue with this fact: there are disputes within the scientific community, and this is one of them. I'm not a psychiatrist or doctor, nor did i claim to be.
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
W, was expecting this comment section to be worse
h786 [#42]i wish i was more educated on this topic to respond to you. thats my response. i will agree to disagree.
Then sounds like you should say "I don't understand it" instead of "I don't agree with it"
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
Incredibly rare major RetiredRadiant W
h786 [#47]yes. I hope someone can respond with a better argument, I am recognising my own shortcoming in the topic but in no way am I dismissing it. there are multiple sides for everything, you cannot argue with this fact: there are disputes within the scientific community, and this is one of them. I'm not a psychiatrist or doctor, nor did i claim to be.
using the fact its a disputed topic in the scientific community is not a great argument as people still argue about the effectiveness of vaccines (MMR specifically) & if they cause autism because of one discredited paper, you could read thousands of papers from reputable sources and all it takes is one to say otherwise and the people who were always against it and won't change their opinion to latch onto it.
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
0/8 obvious RetiredRadiant bait
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
While biological sex is something you are born with, gender is a societal concept that is assumed to be the one associated with your biological sex. When someone says they are assigned x at birth, they are simply talking about gender. If gender were biological, there would be no need to raise boys to be men or raise girls to be women, because they would naturally become men and women on their own.
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
o7
LOLOLXD [#51]using the fact its a disputed topic in the scientific community is not a great argument as people still argue about the effectiveness of vaccines (MMR specifically) & if they cause autism because of one discredited paper, you could read thousands of papers from reputable sources and all it takes is one to say otherwise and the people who were always against it and won't change their opinion to latch onto it.
Like there's dispute on man made climate change in the "science community" sure it's like 1 guy with a degree in neuroscience arguing against meteorologists but it exists. Also science changes it's like the beautiful thing about science and medicine we update it when it's proven wrong you know like when ppl find out that allowing transitions lowers suicides we give them treatments they need.
Okami_J [#3]If i speak
If I speak, I say that conservative forces have a vested interest in getting uneducated peoples to believe the problem with the world today is the 'trans agenda' when in reality the only agenda is that of a corporate establishment fueling the fire of hate to distract from the rape and pillage of our planet, the enormous wealth inequality in which we all exist, the great insecurity of the future, and the fact that EG has fumbled the ball yet again
h786 [#36]a. how do you know that? could you not attest this to confirmation bias? im sure you had conflicting thoughts and once you made the decision, you dismissed those "negative" thoughts altogether. just assuming tho.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
its not a treatment. its avoiding the problem. they will forever feel that they are not "technically" women, instead of accepting, learning and growing into their own skin, loving themselves the way they are.
d. people are different, some people look feminine and some don't. this doesnt excuse the fact that they were born a certain way. imagine that person with a beard. hunter just took hrt to look less like that.
If gender-affirming care is not a treatment, what is? Gender-affirming care solves every issue caused by gender dysphoria, with a far higher success rate than almost every other medical procedure. When one has gender dysphoria, the only effective and scientifically proven treatment is gender affirming care, and to deny that is to deny science.
you said that you felt like a woman since you was 7, and to your 7 yo brain, what was a woman?(the thing you indentified yourself to?) I get that you may liked to play with dolls and wear pink/dresses(the steriotypical stuff) but those behaviors doesnt make you a girl, they make you a boy that like pink/dresses and play with dolls, did you wanted to be a mom, breast feed, did you wanted a husband?.
Just feel like thers soo much experience women go thru that your 7 year old brain couldnt understand, like periods and all that comes with it, how society in general treats you/expects you to behave, girls friend groups and all of its dynamics. All im asking is about your expectations and how did it feel once ppl treated you as a woman for the first time(if that even happened yet), did you had any surprises or misconceptions about womanhood?
im sorry you get so much hate on here. ngl the transphobia on here can sometimes make vlr a bitch to go on even as a cis man lol. just remember that there are many more people who support/are neutral on trans people than that hate you. hopefully as time goes on yall will continue to be more and more accepted like gay people :)
amyayayy [#15]a. i did not get indoctrinated by any media, I have known since i was 7.
b. even if you aren't born with it, there are still things you arent born with that you treat, like cancer.
c.If treatment to gender dysphoria has helped people mentally, and physically, why are you against it?
d. even if according to you, "trans women are not women", is there no utilitarian gain for treating them as women. Imagine a fully transitioned person, it would just be very messy and awkard to misgender them on purpose, imagine someone like hunter schafer being called a man.
"i dont give a fuck"
Calangod [#62]you said that you felt like a woman since you was 7, and to your 7 yo brain, what was a woman?(the thing you indentified yourself to?) I get that you may liked to play with dolls and wear pink/dresses(the steriotypical stuff) but those behaviors doesnt make you a girl, they make you a boy that like pink/dresses and play with dolls, did you wanted to be a mom, breast feed, did you wanted a husband?.
Just feel like thers soo much experience women go thru that your 7 year old brain couldnt understand, like periods and all that comes with it, how society in general treats you/expects you to behave, girls friend groups and all of its dynamics. All im asking is about your expectations and how did it feel once ppl treated you as a woman for the first time(if that even happened yet), did you had any surprises or misconceptions about womanhood?
idk it was physical too? like i obviously grew more and more sure ab it as i grew up, i started transitioning at 17, and yeah. girlhood did have its surprises, i am still learning. being treated as a girl is really nice, and different. i can dm if you want to know more
monkeyman17 [#63]im sorry you get so much hate on here. ngl the transphobia on here can sometimes make vlr a bitch to go on even as a cis man lol. just remember that there are many more people who support/are neutral on trans people than that hate you. hopefully as time goes on yall will continue to be more and more accepted like gay people :)
it is fine, vlr seems to remind me of 2016 anti sjw internet (not that i was a part of it)
h786 [#36]a. how do you know that? could you not attest this to confirmation bias? im sure you had conflicting thoughts and once you made the decision, you dismissed those "negative" thoughts altogether. just assuming tho.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
its not a treatment. its avoiding the problem. they will forever feel that they are not "technically" women, instead of accepting, learning and growing into their own skin, loving themselves the way they are.
d. people are different, some people look feminine and some don't. this doesnt excuse the fact that they were born a certain way. imagine that person with a beard. hunter just took hrt to look less like that.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
standard idiotic transphobic talking point. gender affirming care has been shown to reduce rates of suicide amongst trans people. It literally does save lives. youre just an idiot.
h786 [#36]a. how do you know that? could you not attest this to confirmation bias? im sure you had conflicting thoughts and once you made the decision, you dismissed those "negative" thoughts altogether. just assuming tho.
b. cancer kills, being confident in your own skin does not, not sure why we are comparing.
its not a treatment. its avoiding the problem. they will forever feel that they are not "technically" women, instead of accepting, learning and growing into their own skin, loving themselves the way they are.
d. people are different, some people look feminine and some don't. this doesnt excuse the fact that they were born a certain way. imagine that person with a beard. hunter just took hrt to look less like that.
how do you know that you havent been indoctrinated by the media to hate trans people. transphobes (conservatives): have been doing this shit for fucking centuries, spewing toxic nonsense that people like you buy. imagine reading a 90s article about a senator saying some homophobic shit or so racist shit and compare that to literally any outspoken transphobe today.
"HRT does nothing" vs "trans ppl suicidal lol" Okay. most sensible transphobe argument
"avoiding the problem" most trans people just want to be happy. people literally get plastic surgery to get make themselves feel better. people go on certain diets to gain muscle mass or lose weight.
why does that matter? is it too much to ask for people to be who they want to be? is it really worth going out of your way to make people uncomfortable? if trans people make you uncomfortable idk what to tell you.
StutterSt3p [#25]Let's be real people that say "If I speak" are pussies. Like own your beliefs and say them lmao.
agreed
Rubrik_Duck [#60]If gender-affirming care is not a treatment, what is? Gender-affirming care solves every issue caused by gender dysphoria, with a far higher success rate than almost every other medical procedure. When one has gender dysphoria, the only effective and scientifically proven treatment is gender affirming care, and to deny that is to deny science.
real shit rubrik
h786 [#42]i wish i was more educated on this topic to respond to you. thats my response. i will agree to disagree.
this response is h786 admitting you know you're wrong here. you cant, and no one, can come up with rebuttle because it is fact and not opinion.
vnvodich [#38]Just curious, do you have any traumatic abuse/experience when you were kid, the kind where Chris Hansen interested in. Are you addicted to porn?
clown ass comment. embarrassing for you
jkjkjk [#16]Reply to your previous ignorant justification of "I don't agree with"
Please elaborate.. what don't you agree with?
Do you not agree with the scientifically proven fact that someone's brain chemical compound consistently gives signals to the owner of said brain that they're not the gender that they were assigned at birth based on sex?
Do you not agree with their synapse flows?
Do you not agree with the major depressive disorder that the person is usually diagnosed with while trying to fight the signals from the brain and act as nothing is happening?
Do you not agree with the fact that there's different variations of cerebral chemical compounds, and therefore everyone is and should be simply the same, in order to match a "normality" meter arbitrarily created?
Or in reality you simply don't agree with things that you do not care to study and understand?You don't need to mention racism, it goes without saying.
The thought process is the equivalent of saying "I don't agree with the fact that people from arabian penunisula have the necessary brain to function in a normal society, because their anatomy is different than mine" Just because I say "I don't agree with" does not make it not racist.
While the above statement might have some technical truths in it (yes, there's usually a different anatomy structure based on continental origins), it simply ignores a bunch of other scientifically defines truth in order to reach a "different view". And yes, you can call it a different view. That different view is simply defined by racisms. Much like your different view is simply defined by transphobia
there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.You're wrong here as well... race is not something that you are born with, you're simply assigned one, much like a gender. Race is a social construct, much like gender.
Don't confuse ethnicity with race, nor sex with gender.
The only race that we can be born with is homo sapiens, we're all this race and genus. Everything else is just things that people tell you that you are.
hello
RetiredRadiant [#59]If I speak, I say that conservative forces have a vested interest in getting uneducated peoples to believe the problem with the world today is the 'trans agenda' when in reality the only agenda is that of a corporate establishment fueling the fire of hate to distract from the rape and pillage of our planet, the enormous wealth inequality in which we all exist, the great insecurity of the future, and the fact that EG has fumbled the ball yet again
Bro you are ludicrously based.
RetiredRadiant [#59]If I speak, I say that conservative forces have a vested interest in getting uneducated peoples to believe the problem with the world today is the 'trans agenda' when in reality the only agenda is that of a corporate establishment fueling the fire of hate to distract from the rape and pillage of our planet, the enormous wealth inequality in which we all exist, the great insecurity of the future, and the fact that EG has fumbled the ball yet again
Way too based to be on this website
number1_cned_hater [#2]no
No one cares if your trans, holy just keep it to yourself like normal people.
RetiredRadiant [#59]If I speak, I say that conservative forces have a vested interest in getting uneducated peoples to believe the problem with the world today is the 'trans agenda' when in reality the only agenda is that of a corporate establishment fueling the fire of hate to distract from the rape and pillage of our planet, the enormous wealth inequality in which we all exist, the great insecurity of the future, and the fact that EG has fumbled the ball yet again
holy based
not_biased_at_all [#84]No one cares if your trans, holy just keep it to yourself like normal people.
clearly a lot of vlr cares bro
IF I SPEAK.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Epicgamer69 [#80]hello
I think the most interesting part is the cause of transgenderism. I think given this study its reasonable to say that a large portion of the gynephile population has gender dysphoria caused by autogynephilia
thats such an extreme reach its not even funny.
ah never mind. you arent worth interacting with. transphobe.
not_biased_at_all [#84]No one cares if your trans, holy just keep it to yourself like normal people.
No one cares if your cis, holy just keep it to yourself like normal people.
not_biased_at_all [#84]No one cares if your trans, holy just keep it to yourself like normal people.
tf bro u on drugs when did i say I was trans??
Cresp [#22]I geniunely dont know if its true or nah but if its bait its kinda well done lowk
its true but she’s not trying to bait just trying to say like “yall are stupid for this idc atp”
h786 [#42]i wish i was more educated on this topic to respond to you. thats my response. i will agree to disagree.
i feel you bro its hard to understand shit nowadays
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#90]I think the most interesting part is the cause of transgenderism. I think given this study its reasonable to say that a large portion of the gynephile population has gender dysphoria caused by autogynephilia
thats such an extreme reach its not even funny.
ah never mind. you arent worth interacting with. transphobe.
damn. Did you even read my post? I tried not to be rude...
So impulsive
😒
RetiredRadiant [#59]If I speak, I say that conservative forces have a vested interest in getting uneducated peoples to believe the problem with the world today is the 'trans agenda' when in reality the only agenda is that of a corporate establishment fueling the fire of hate to distract from the rape and pillage of our planet, the enormous wealth inequality in which we all exist, the great insecurity of the future, and the fact that EG has fumbled the ball yet again
hall of fame tier post
Epicgamer69 [#100]damn. Did you even read my post? I tried not to be rude...
So impulsive😒
🥱stay mad
h786 [#10]that's not what i said tho. there is a very big difference between race and transgenderism.
race is something that you are born with.
you have no capacity to change it.
therefore, all people deserve to be treated equally until proven otherwise (criminal, actions, etc) (just as kids are automatically innocent when they are kids).
,
trans people "feel" that they are not what they are " assigned" at birth
that makes no sense, because you were born with it.
its all confusion, you will never be a man, just as i will never be a woman, im not trying to hate or be a transphobe, im just trying telling you how it is, everyone beyond this reasoning is just cope.
moving past that, i realise i may have been harsh in the past, but i have always clarified that trans people deserved to be treated the same as human beings - the bare minimum, but at the same time, I reserve the right to not accept your definition, because i simply do not believe that you are what you say you are. in the most respectful way, i hope you can have some introspection, i truly believe that yyou are confused and have led to be confused by the media, and am sorry that the people around you enabled this behaviour, i have nothing but empathy that if i was struggling with my identity, that i could be this vulnerable and have been in this situation. hope that clarifies things.(this is what i was going to reply to you in the other thread)
fuck yourself
monkeyman17 [#63]im sorry you get so much hate on here. ngl the transphobia on here can sometimes make vlr a bitch to go on even as a cis man lol. just remember that there are many more people who support/are neutral on trans people than that hate you. hopefully as time goes on yall will continue to be more and more accepted like gay people :)
u r usa flag but cis?
IF I SPEAK.
all humans deserve to be respected as a human
but not all viewpoints and ideology should be accepted by everyone.
being trans is a viewpoint of oneself, so although I think trans ppl should be treated same and respected like other humans, other people have rights to reject whatever gender one decides upon that is not biological
StutterSt3p [#25]Let's be real people that say "If I speak" are pussies. Like own your beliefs and say them lmao.
i have no problem with them but in india on road they r very danger peoples
- All people must be treated equally.
- Understand some people and emotional and physical problems that can cause them to seek change
- People have the right to do what they want with their body ( may differ in different regions), but no one questions the tribal people.
My only issue is with telling kids about sex(copulation) and sexuality at a very young age as this propaganda has brought more negative than positive to what the minority fights for. i am of the belief that you should teach children to not hate anyone for their looks, race, sex, attire, or community. and let them figure out everything when they become adults or at least 15+.
I will never treat you bad I just don't like some of the things that people have been doing seems like a promotion rather than a revolution.
hope you don't find it offensive
cholikarr [#116]i have no problem with them but in india on road they r very danger peoples
most people are not open about LGBT in India and the people you are talking about are mostly Intersex individuals given away at birth by parents so that they don't lower their reputation(their belief)
M0kii [#119]most people are not open about LGBT in India and the people you are talking about are mostly Intersex individuals given away at birth by parents so that they don't lower their reputation(their belief)
intersex ?
M0kii [#119]most people are not open about LGBT in India and the people you are talking about are mostly Intersex individuals given away at birth by parents so that they don't lower their reputation(their belief)
most people are open about LGBT in India
NO
appleju1ce [#127]no politics..
talking about gender is not politics. most of this thread is actually decent, barring the person who called trans people schizophrenic
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
W
RetiredRadiant [#18]If I speak, I will say that I am your ally amy
may all transphobes get an education and stop being the puppets of their conservative masters
may all transphobes uninstall tiktok/youtube shorts and start reading books to understand the complicated dynamics of gender and sexuality
may all transphobes realize that transitioning is a practice as old as history
may all transphobes realize that 'gender roles' do not exist in nature
may all transphobes realize sexuality is VERY flexible in nature
L
M0kii [#119]most people are not open about LGBT in India and the people you are talking about are mostly Intersex individuals given away at birth by parents so that they don't lower their reputation(their belief)
wtf are you talking about.
if i speak...
then I will say that people can do whatever they want with their bodies so long as it does not affect me and that it is always better to judge people by the content of their character rather than stuff like gender. You seem like a great person judging by ur post history, so my opinion of you is also great. Don't let anyone drag you down for being who you are :)
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#90]I think the most interesting part is the cause of transgenderism. I think given this study its reasonable to say that a large portion of the gynephile population has gender dysphoria caused by autogynephilia
thats such an extreme reach its not even funny.
ah never mind. you arent worth interacting with. transphobe.
Cherrypicking & calling them a transphobe? Be better.
KaedeTsuneta [#35]the same way how i never have schizophrenia but know that it's not normal
its not commom you mean, stupid ass mf. thats why we call them, and other groups, minorities. not normal is being against something that affects literally 0 in your life and come in a vlr forum to spread disinformation about it, while many trans people are dying just because they exist.
and actually you can have schizophrenia, but theres triggers to it
M0kii [#139]did you read who I am replying to ?
you saying that most LGBT people in India are intersex people which I highly doubt is true and you don't even live in India so how would u know? You are also saying most Indian parents would abandon their child if they are intersex which I highly doubt it is true for the majority of indian parents but keep pulling this info from ur ass. Also your reply to #117 was irrelevant as he was talking about how they are dangerous on the road and you reply and talk to him about why they are LGBT which is not what he was talking about.
Zerphyr1 [#144]you saying that most LGBT people in India are intersex people which I highly doubt is true and you don't even live in India so how would u know? You are also saying most Indian parents would abandon their child if they are intersex which I highly doubt it is true for the majority of indian parents but keep pulling this info from ur ass. Also your reply to #117 was irrelevant as he was talking about how they are dangerous on the road and you reply and talk to him about why they are LGBT which is not what he was talking about.
nope, you are reading it wrong. I said most people arent open about their sexuality In India and then I replied to his comment on who he said were dangerous people on road i.e 'Kinnar' as called in India which are mainly Intersex and a small part consists of transgenders.
Zerphyr1 [#144]you saying that most LGBT people in India are intersex people which I highly doubt is true and you don't even live in India so how would u know? You are also saying most Indian parents would abandon their child if they are intersex which I highly doubt it is true for the majority of indian parents but keep pulling this info from ur ass. Also your reply to #117 was irrelevant as he was talking about how they are dangerous on the road and you reply and talk to him about why they are LGBT which is not what he was talking about.
lol I have seen it first hand in India a family close to us were expecting a child and all of a sudden there were no talks after the delivery day and they said that it was death at birth, while a lot claimed a group of Kinnars taking away a baby. I asked my parents and they did say it happens. yeah maybe this gen parents will not do it(which is excellent) but if you are Indian like me you will know how foolish half the people are
vnvodich [#38]Just curious, do you have any traumatic abuse/experience when you were kid, the kind where Chris Hansen interested in. Are you addicted to porn?
embarrassing.
ds_santos_ [#134]talking about gender is not politics. most of this thread is actually decent, barring the person who called trans people schizophrenic
common Lantos
LOLOLXD [#142]Cherrypicking & calling them a transphobe? Be better.
ah yes directly citing someone's words is cherry picking 🤣
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