Can trans men compete in Game Changers or do they have to play in the men's league? Not hate, genuinely curious, just couldn't find an answer on my own
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chloeburbank [#2]trans men (ftm) cannot play gc afaik
so men who identify as women can play but women who identify as men cant lmfaoo,that doesnt make any sense
kirrans [#4]i thought game changers was to support marginalised genders? is there any reason trans men can't compete?
Game changers is to support the marginalized gender in esports that are women. A trans man is not a woman
asdfgh [#6]so men who identify as women can play but women who identify as men cant lmfaoo,that doesnt make any sense
Well women identify as men are just men no way around it especially if riot considers men who identify as women as women. There would be no logic otherwise
Cresp [#8]Well women identify as men are just men no way around it especially if riot considers men who identify as women as women. There would be no logic otherwise
how are women who identify as men just men?? Every single time ive asked i have gotten the answer that game changers was made for all "marginalized genders"
asdfgh [#6]so men who identify as women can play but women who identify as men cant lmfaoo,that doesnt make any sense
The people who identify as women can play in the women league and the people who identify as men can't play in the women league. How does that not make sense?
snowconedeity [#9]i— they’re men, so they’d compete in the men’s league. trans men are men and trans women are women how hard is this to understand bruh. marginalized genders includes people who don’t conform to the gender binary or exist in different facets of it than man or woman.
copium,what if they feel more comfortable in game changers
asdfgh [#10]how are women who identify as men just men?? Every single time ive asked i have gotten the answer that game changers was made for all "marginalized genders"
Because riot considers trans women same as cis women so riot would have to consider trans men same as cis men. I think its wierd imo if non-binary players can compete than everyone except cis men should be able to compete.
asdfgh [#10]how are women who identify as men just men?? Every single time ive asked i have gotten the answer that game changers was made for all "marginalized genders"
Riot sees Trans women as women, so they see trans men as men. Men cant join GC so following that logic trans men cannot either. Its an intresting question wether trans men should be considered as a "marginalised groups" but riot see them as men it which is understandable. The "marginalised groups" riot accepts in GC are the non-binary folk.
asdfgh [#19]does chris from mrbeast look like a woman to u lol?
That's a government problem not a Riot one
Mortadelo [#20]That's a government problem not a Riot one
tf does a government have to do with this lmfao
asdfgh [#23]tf does a government have to do with this lmfao
Wait, you lost me, what does Chris from Mr beats have to do here
TheHowling02 [#21]"marginalised groups" not "marginalised genders"
That's actually kind of strange wording for an important rule. Couldn't we argue gay men are a marginalized group in gaming? Or black people? I might actually have to read the GC rules now
Mortadelo [#25]Wait, you lost me, what does Chris from Mr beats have to do here
the fact he is not a woman no matter how much he tries,trans women are not womenn and trans men are not men,they are trans women and men i dont put them in the same category as real men or woman
SigmaMale [#5]Wait that's weird
its not weird. trans men are men. trans women are women. gc is for women and marginalized groups so essentially anyone who doesn't identify as a man. trans men are men so they cant play gamechangers. trans women are women so they can play for game changers. nonbinary people fit under the umbrella of marginalized groups and also the trans umbrella. its not hard to understand. people don't just wake up and decide to be a certain gender, it's their entire life and being.
asdfgh [#27]the fact he is not a woman no matter how much he tries,trans women are not womenn and trans men are not men,they are trans women and men i dont put them in the same category as real men or woman
Then I was getting it right the first time. If he legally becomes a woman she is a woman, if he doesn't he is not. The responsibility to check who actually does it because he feels it or just to troll is the governments not Riot's
dino_brains [#26]That's actually kind of strange wording for an important rule. Couldn't we argue gay men are a marginalized group in gaming? Or black people? I might actually have to read the GC rules now
Yeah im pretty sure thats the wording they use to go arround the hole gender debait. Its clearly used to mean non-binary people but I agree you could argue that black men are marginalised groups.
Mortadelo [#30]Then I was getting it right the first time. If he legally becomes a woman she is a woman, if he doesn't he is not. The responsibility to check who actually does it because he feels it or just to troll is the governments not Riot's
a government paper doesnt mean you are actually a woman,if u arent a woman at birth you arent a woman to me its that simple,you can feel anyway you want or try to change it but you are not in the same category as authentic women to me
asdfgh [#34]a government paper doesnt mean you are actually a woman,if u arent a woman at birth you arent a woman to me its that simple,you can feel anyway you want or try to change it but you are not in the same category as authentic women to me
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dino_brains [#26]That's actually kind of strange wording for an important rule. Couldn't we argue gay men are a marginalized group in gaming? Or black people? I might actually have to read the GC rules now
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Game Changers 2023 Player Verification
You can use this form to get in the verification pool in order to participate in the Game Changers tournaments.
We remind you that the conditions to be elligible for Game Changers 2023 are the following ones:
-Teams must be composed of five women at least.
-Minimum rank is Platinum 1.
-Minimum age is 16 years old at the date of registration.
-EMEA Residency is required for at least 3 players from the active roster.
https://vctgcemea.valorantesports.com/verification
Trans men are not women so they cannot compete in GC.
kirrans [#4]i thought game changers was to support marginalised genders? is there any reason trans men can't compete?
bc trans men are men. men dominate the esports scene. gc is all about changing the norm hence the name game changers so that's why gc is for everyone except cisgender men. this is why you cant argue the case for gay men or black men or any other marginalized group under men because all of those people are still men at the end of the day. yes they are gay but they still identify as a man, yes they are black but they are still a man. so although it might be a tad harder to get into esports bc of that its still 10 times as harder to get into esports as it is for anyone not a man
TheHowling02 [#39]Game Changers 2023 Player Verification
You can use this form to get in the verification pool in order to participate in the Game Changers tournaments.We remind you that the conditions to be elligible for Game Changers 2023 are the following ones:
-Teams must be composed of five women at least.
-Minimum rank is Platinum 1.
-Minimum age is 16 years old at the date of registration.
-EMEA Residency is required for at least 3 players from the active roster.https://vctgcemea.valorantesports.com/verification
Trans men are not women so they cannot compete in GC.
Makes sense
acels2 [#14]404 coming
It was an honest question, but after reading the comments I wouldn't even blame the admins...
not really surprised about it tho
asdfgh [#19]does chris from mrbeast look like a woman to u lol?
what about really masculine lesbians? some of them look like men. Are they not women?
kailikesushi [#28]its not weird. trans men are men. trans women are women. gc is for women and marginalized groups so essentially anyone who doesn't identify as a man. trans men are men so they cant play gamechangers. trans women are women so they can play for game changers. nonbinary people fit under the umbrella of marginalized groups and also the trans umbrella. its not hard to understand. people don't just wake up and decide to be a certain gender, it's their entire life and being.
wait so trans men aren't considered a marginalized group?
dino_brains [#45]what about really masculine lesbians? some of them look like men. Are they not women?
they are what they were born with
I actually didnt even know that women that identify as men arent able to play GC
I have so many things to say that would get me banned. Let me just say one thing though, Riot is absolutely fucking braindamaged if they dont realize that women that identify as men are a marginalized group.
Pathetic actually, no words lmao
TheHowling02 [#36]So reading the Game Changers 2023 Player Verification it clearly states "Teams must be composed of five women at least" mb. So no mention of "marginalised groups" or "marginalised genders"
Makes sense. But also could exclude feminine NB people who don't consider themselves women lol.
Riot is there to interpret the rules and make the final decision when it's unclear if someone should be excluded from GC, so I know that the uncertainty in their language here is ultimately unimportant. But, nonetheless it's interesting how the language here can exclude people who I suspect Riot would want to include in GC.
Moiraine [#48]I actually didnt even know that women that identify as men arent able to play GC
I have so many things to say that would get me banned. Let me just say one thing though, Riot is absolutely fucking braindamaged if they dont realize that women that identify as men are a marginalized group.
Pathetic actually, no words lmao
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thatpower [#46]wait so trans men aren't considered a marginalized group?
they are. but in the case of esports they are not. they are men. men gets the upper hand in esports. so in the case of esports and gamechangers they are not. this isnt to belittle the experiences they face in the world of course but its just to highlight that trans men are men and they are offered more opportunities in esports compared to anyone who isnt a man.
TheHowling02 [#50]#47
not interested
It's retarded that's what it is. No matter what anyone says. i'll leave it at that.
Moiraine [#48]I actually didnt even know that women that identify as men arent able to play GC
I have so many things to say that would get me banned. Let me just say one thing though, Riot is absolutely fucking braindamaged if they dont realize that women that identify as men are a marginalized group.
Pathetic actually, no words lmao
Why would the people who identify as men be allowed or even want to compete if they had the choice in a women league
dino_brains [#49]Makes sense. But also could exclude feminine NB people who don't consider themselves women lol.
Riot is there to interpret the rules and make the final decision when it's unclear if someone should be excluded from GC, so I know that the uncertainty in their language here is ultimately unimportant. But, nonetheless it's interesting how the language here can exclude people who I suspect Riot would want to include in GC.
Yeah when i looked at the sign in forms i was expecting a longer more clear list of who can join and who cant. Seems a bit vague stating Teams must be composed of five women at least. Compared to the NUEL Women and Non-Binary VALORANT University Tournament that states "Teams must only consist of cis women, trans women, and non-binary people. If you would like to enter but are not sure if you can, please message an admin on Discord!" which is way more clear. Maybe riot dont want to piss off their chines sponsores or smt.
Moiraine [#52]not interested
It's retarded that's what it is. No matter what anyone says. i'll leave it at that.
lmao if your not intrested then stfu
kailikesushi [#51]they are. but in the case of esports they are not. they are men. men gets the upper hand in esports. so in the case of esports and gamechangers they are not. this isnt to belittle the experiences they face in the world of course but its just to highlight that trans men are men and they are offered more opportunities in esports compared to anyone who isnt a man.
Lol lmao
Moiraine [#57]Make me.Come here and make me stfu
Send me your location and lets have the hotest sex of your life. I GUARENTEE you will not be able to formulate words after that (and not be able to walk either ;) <3 ).
pumastone [#59]wait so women cannot compete in VCT leagues? as some of the comments seem to call it a mens league. i thought VCT was everyone no matter gender just if you were among the best??
Anyone can compete in.VCT given they are the age of 17
TheHowling02 [#58]Send me your location and lets have the hotest sex of your life. I GUARENTEE you will not be able to formulate words after that (and not be able to walk either ;) <3 ).
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TheHowling02 [#58]Send me your location and lets have the hotest sex of your life. I GUARENTEE you will not be able to formulate words after that (and not be able to walk either ;) <3 ).
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yaiima0 [#63]ur wording a bit sussy fam**
Bro, i didnt even realize. My brain just doesn't sexualize everything, i'm sorry : (
Moiraine [#66]Bro, i didnt even realize. My brain just doesn't sexualize everything, i'm sorry : (
No worries, means ur normal and not weird :p
kailikesushi [#51]they are. but in the case of esports they are not. they are men. men gets the upper hand in esports. so in the case of esports and gamechangers they are not. this isnt to belittle the experiences they face in the world of course but its just to highlight that trans men are men and they are offered more opportunities in esports compared to anyone who isnt a man.
So trans mens are men, so if a woman considered herself as a man she Is not marginalized, so if we created a league where everyone is considered as a man, everyone can participate and then no one will be marginalized
Maybe can be named "Valorant Champions Tour"
BrotherMan [#64]Ya'll should ask these questions during a GC game, im sure a blue haired person has a reply
LMFAO
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