yes you can, because none of them individually are more impressive than aspas historically. To call someone a GOAT they need to have historic performances which literally no one on that list has and when you compare their careers to aspas they all pale in comparison.
Its like how Ronaldos peak was arguably greater than many players called GOATs of football however he isnt placed on the list above players like messi christiano etc

we got sherlock over here

i dont think they did address the issue with Tejo tho is what i mean. I agree with the rest that some agents had too many nerfs that werent overturned once their biggest problem had gotten nerfed and there was also neon iso astra and kj who were the opposite (not so much astra i guess).
I think the Tejo nerf is good enough to allow enough drawback to playing him that people will consider other initiators in place of him

when youre not having fun in what you do and youre getting burnt out then whats the point in continuing when you have a direct avenue to something else that you really enjoy and is more lucrative?

I saw a clip of him saying that he wouldve considered it by now had the game become better to play i.e. no more util dumping and super boring rotate simulator maps.

have you not been aware of the massively problematic utility dumping currently in the game? Theres no universe that would be good for the longevity of the game

they just got some crazy good lighting over there at wolves HQ

HOLY SHIT YOURE RIGHT

its crazy that some people need this to be explained to them

nah man youre completely off the mark with this one. The ability to throw 2 nades anywhere on the map at any time is the key thing that makes Tejo such a friendly pick to any team on any map.
The fact that he was broken was an addition to his already OP character design in a game where util like his should be requiring lineups and timing is what made him such a huge problem in the first place.
Changing up his effectiveness on the post plant and nerfing a bit of his zoning isnt going to kill him and the no recharge thing is a pretty big hit however Riot knows he provides something that literally no other agent does. Breach is used in conjuction with Tejo so he isnt a competitior anyway, sova isnt nearly as good on every map like tejo is, skye isnt in the question, nor is fade cause theyre both completely different fundamentally, whats there left, Kayo? Kayo is just a harder to use weaker version of Tejo with a flash instead of a stun.

i personally think their method of giving agents certain drawbacks instead of actually fixing the problem is pretty weird but yea generally theyre able to provide nerfs that still make abilities useful but allows for the game to require more gunplay and less util spam

but thats because other agents are just better like cypher or vyse not because chamber is inherently bad. At the pro play level chamber just becomes too hard to consistently get value as he requires a player thats just mechanically superior and even then when you get util dumped what are you gonna do.
I say the only thing chamber needs is a reduction in TP cooldown in order to allow him to hold spaces more oftne throughout the rounds and gain more value by forcing opponents to use util but then again its not like hes particularly bad rn

yall are the type of people to say this shit and then complain whenever the game becomes a mess of util dumps. Its one or the other

ait little bro tokyo was THE MOST mickey mouse where 3 (arguably 4) of some of the best teams completely bombed out and couldnt do jack, arguably lock in is the least mickey mouse as the entire league was there and so the best and the worst teams at the time were all playing against each other

nongshim isnt spicy compared to spicy indomie

bros never eaten real indomie

Nongshim is just salty and slightly spicy. Indomie is actually filled with all kinds of different flavours

youre mentally ill

no you definitely have a point here but my whole point is that when were talking of qualifying through map win/loss and round diff most teams wont be out by week 5 unless they just go 0-5 or 1-4, in which case they were trash the whole stage anyway.
Also its not like round diff would be the primary metric, it would be map wins which wouldnt be a farmable thing just because a team is bad. You will at the very most win a +2 map diff regardless if youre opponent is good or bad so the analogy doesnt really work here

aint no one crying here lol, i mean if you think H2H is GREAT then youre just not all there in the head

LMAAAOO 😂

its genuinely so depressing that mikes was the only guy they could get, hes probably THE MOST proven fraudulent coach in the history of valorant

C9 are one of the top teams in americas rn. Not to mention NRG has had much less time with their new coach and ini than any other team. On top of that FNS being unbelievably rusty at both aiming and calling ofc they arent gonna succeed just like that.
Theres no reason to cut anyone rn cause itll just give the same results again like kickoff and stage 1. Right now they just need the time to try and perform in stage 2 because there really shouldnt have been any expectations for them to be making toronto

its better than a 1 time match over potentially a 5 week long period tho, its a much more normalized metric than H2H. But yea i agree they all do suck, they need to start using circuit points or smth for playoffs or just create a playoffs points completely seperate to circuit points

youre mental

i mean yea i feel like its such an obvious fault especially in a game like valorant. Idk how ppl havent talked about it before especially those that have come from other games that have much better esports scoring systems

thats fine man im not here to make you change your mind, im here to see why people would believe otherwise. I just cant be convinced that a one time matchup over the course of 5 weeks is supposed to be the thing that decides whos "better" in such an inconsistent game

nah giving NRG the L for claiming that Verno was problematic is crazy, they all agreed that to some extent he was a source of the issues they were facing and wanted to get rid of him.
The fallout of NRG losing the player that made them good in the first place is what were seeing and they were never really supposed to be expected to look good in stage 1 at the very least

im saying MOST not ALL, ofc there are also many that use H2H but my argument here is for such a game where teams are constatnly fluctuating in form, H2H is horrible for deciding who is "better" especially over a 5 week period

at this point in time we dont know who is better than who because they faced each other 4 weeks ago and both have shifted in form multiple times over that course of time.
Im saying map diff and round diff are a much more averaged and normalized metric to score teams to see who did better than who. There a reason every ohter league of sports doesnt decide tiebreakers through H2H

lmaaaooo

why is it not used in most other sports then if that were the case? Most leagues make points because they understand that head to head and "goal diff" isnt enough to show who the better teams are and yet here we are 5 years into val still using such a terrible metric that weve seen time and time again mean absolutely nothing even at the international playoffs level

but who cares if SEN dont make it, i be talking about group stage rules my guy

no i would still think the same way wdym. Ive been arguing this before SEN made it back to tier 1 bro, stop bringing flairs into this. I said this exact same shit when some no name team i didnt care about didnt qualify to playoffs because they lost the H2H to the fourth seed (or third or whatever the groups were back then) any yet they had a faaaar better performance against every team with close maps yet they just didnt make it due to having 1 bad week against an overperforming team who then did nothing in playoffs

but youd count maps first wdym? Also losing it by 2 round diff just means the group was competitive or SEN didnt seize the opportunity. Thats what im saying it makes every game count every round every map. We dont get boring groups that way

thats an INSANE strawman cause i never said to just throw the game away completely. That same game brings with it those same round stats and map stats that show the overall performance of a team.
No the difference between good teams and bad teams in valorant are huge my guy, put a bottom ranking chinese team into any other league and theyd get stomped, same goes for KOI, same goes for Giants and Apeks and a ton of other teams. Even if that were the case i dont see the reason why H2H then becomes anymore viable at all.

You say KRU were the best team in the group but there is no metric to measure that, even by my proposal to use rounds and maps ti doesnt exactly tell you that sen were the best either, it just gives you a better idea of who performed the best throughout the weeks against the same teams ON AVERAGE

Maybe I like to converse about topics i find confusing or backwords? or maybe perhaps VCT interests me and engages me to converse with others to hear about their opinions??
Why are you so pressed my guy? Youre saying im crying yet you sound so absolutely triggered over nothing lmao

iron ahh mindset

if 2G have a better map diff and round diff then no 2G should definitely get the tiebreaker over EG because they showed that even after having such a HORRENDOUS early few games they still managed to overall do better against the same teams that EG played against.
It definitely becomes a controversial topic when it comes to lower seeds but thats how you make every group stage game count, or else it ends before youve even played 5 games sometimes before youve even played 4
While yes not every gun fight is equal, comparatively to the amount of times you play each other in a group stage, the average becomes far more controllable when using rounds and maps to decide who was better than who. The average gunfight will more or less play the same through every game whereas the same matchup could be vastly different with each play due to teams just not always being in form.
There are more rounds and maps played than there are H2Hs, its a much safer metric to use to decide the better team

and yet you wouldnt be able to put into words why that is.
This has nothing to do with sen, ive had a problem with H2Hs since long before SEN got back into form. Time and time again we see H2Hs mean absolute jack shit in valorant

but thats exactly what im saying tho, using round diff and map count is a much more decisive way of telling who was overall better througout the group. It would take multiple teams playing worse than other weeks to be able to best the rest of the group which is a much less luck based metric than H2H cause val is just a game thats gonna have teams be inconsistent.
Loud and Optic were the most consistent team and they had a ton of losses during groups and regionals (maybe not so much loud)

the second match of a group stage isnt push comes to shove tho is what im saying. that match was no grand finals, there wasnt much weight behind it even if it meant seeding, why not just be normal like every other sports and actually utilize the stats to see who was overall better throughout the groups?

but it doesnt and we know this already, time after time we see teams beating those who beat them before, Optic v Loud (in almost every rematch), Optic v TG, FPX v DRX, FNC vs FPX, SEN v GenG, T1 vs EDG, PRX v EG, its literally engraved in the history of val that winning today doesnt mean youll be the better team tomorrow

no im pretty sure most teams much prefer to close out the match in 2, they literally always talk about it and its a massive part of the anti for a lot of teams

seeding and trophies are 2 completely different things though. The point of a group stage is to figure out who was the best team overall not to find out who is the best team right now.
SEN were weaker than KRU for their matchup but destroyed every other team that KRU had pretty close matches with. At the end of the day objectively sen did better but because KRU were better than them on week 2 they get the 1st seed.
Either way tho regardless of better this better that my main point is just that it makes the stats completely useless and that H2H has never even been a clear show of who is better. Just like TG beat Optic in stage 1 2022 yet they were terrible when they rematched again, we all know that 1 win doesnt mean anything in valorant

idgaf that sen isnt first seed, they could be 4th seed and i could care less, try harder if youre gonna rage bait my guy cause no one cares about seeding

yea but thats such a rare occurence that the stats are most of the time useless.
Why does any team care about winning 2-0 why do they care about getting huge round diffs if its just gonna be useless at the end of the day? I dont watch much esports anymore or regular sports for that matter but i feel like the norm was definitely to look at stats before H2H in almost everything i watched

yea but on any given day 1 team can beat the other, i mean 2G of all teams got a win but overall throughout the stage Loud were for sure the better team, they just couldnt close out the maps

amazing how if i had a different flair it would be a completely different conversation, ive been harping about this since the days of SEN not even qualifying to the tier 1 stage

I feel like H2H is such a terrible way to decide a tie breaker especially as a first tie breaker. SEN have better stats than KRU on EVERY STAT and has almost a +50 round differential and KRU only has a 14 round diff I feel like map win loss and round diff should 100% be the main tie breakers cause having H2H just makes every single stat useless