Europeans come

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ambo69

Whats your rankings for EMEA teams? Since i keep seeing people say that none of the good teams played yet, who are the good teams? Is vitality 4 now? Everyone was saying KOI was 4 and better than NRG. Either way your region is kinda mid

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Every team in EMEA is trash.

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Golemancien

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Ok loser

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saladpalad

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They hated him because he spoke the truth ✊

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inb4 a dumpster fire

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I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all NA>EU

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durum

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Rankings don't make any sense nowadays. Like teams are 1 months old. Let them cook.

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1~3 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
4~6 GIANTS,VIT,KC
7~10 KOI, HERETICS, BBL, FUT

in no order is what i think the ranking is

edit: OMG it blew up!!! ummm i wanna thank my family and everyone involved i couldn't have done it without you

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NG1nS

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why the downvotes bruh

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no clue, this is pretty good. the top 3 is pretty definite, the order is just yet to be seen. I'd say move KC down to below Heretics tho. current performances show otherwise, but koi and hrtcs both have higher ceilings imo

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I upvoted :D

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sheahhhh

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based except Koi is the 4th best team

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i think koi will be better than vit or kc

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Marshal_D_Teach

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I disagree on KOI and Heretics being in the same level as BBL and FUT

Mine would be that
S - NaVi, Fnatic, Liquid
A - Giants, VIT
B - KOI, Heretics, KC
C - BBL
D - FUT

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NG1nS

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yeah this is more accurate but BBL and FUT could switch maybe idk

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I would swap koi and KC but that’s a good list

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let's just wait shall we :)

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WinterZ

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TL
NaVi
FNC
GIA
VIT
KCORP
KOI
TH
BBL
FUT

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asdfgh

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in what sense are vit,kcorp and giants better than koi

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WinterZ

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between starxos form being straight up dogshit, sheydos being forced onto agents like Killjoy and Wolfen needing time to adjust to a Tier 1 environment, there’s just not much good to say about KOI atm.

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asdfgh

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and what good is there exactly to say about kcorp,vit or giants

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WinterZ

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KCORP: great firepower in ScreaM and Nivera as well as SHIN who is a very promising talent. Also the whole team speaks French making communication seamless.

VIT: Picked up 2 extremely solid players in MOLSI and Twisten as well as retaining their Champions winning IGL BONECOLD. Also picked up the mastermind coaches behind OGLU's top 4 LCQ finish as well as Fnatic's marcus_askildsen.

GIA: Picked up Cloud and nukkye who were arguably the best players on their respective teams as well as proven, LAN tested coaching staff in Milan and pipsoN. Extremely flexible core who can play just about any role if needed giving them an edge over other teams.

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asdfgh

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yeah these are great qualities but what makes you think it makes them better than koi

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WinterZ

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KOI have too many factors limiting them as mentioned in #24

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hekzy

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KC - no language barrier
Vit - they are pretty much a world contender as long as they replace destrian
Giants - same but with fitinho (they should get an IGL)

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asdfgh

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how the fuck are vit even close to contender lmfao

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hekzy

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ceNder is top5 sentinel
Molsi top5 initiator
TwisteN top5 duelist
Bonecold top5 IGL
(In EMEA)
Destrian is kinda shit and once they replace him for somebody great at flash-init at top5. Then they will be able to compete with fnc,TL,Navi.

Giants needs a proper IGL and a proper duelist.

KOi need to replace starxo and maybe even need an upgrade on Wolfen depending on whether he was a onetrick chamber.

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TL haven't even played an official yet and you have them at no.1 lol

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WinterZ

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its that fanboy hopium brotha :)

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yungbasel

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All good! Let's call it what it is :D

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Mortadelo

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Nobody said KOI was favorite against NRG. Having the potential of being a dark horse is very different and we obviously hoped for it.

About the ranking of our teams. My opinion is that our top 6 is clearly divided into 2 groups.

1st group is FNC, TL, NAVI, which I don't really know how to rank until we see em, only guess I have is ranking TL a bit lower since they changed the most players but it's just to say something cause I really don't know

2nd group is Vit, Giants and KOI. KOI still has that potential to be a dark horse and I feel like in the future they will be the best of this 3 but they've proven they are not yet, they need more time. Giants has had a great showing and might be top 4 rn depending on what Vitality does. Vitality has looked great in the offseason, probably better than what we saw from KOI so far but idk how that will translate here.

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soraol

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LV1 TL, FNATİC,NAVI
LV 2 VIT,GIANTS,BBL, KOI, HERETICS,KC, FUT

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Birssa

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1 TL
2 NaVi
3 FNC.
4-6 KCORP GIA VIT
7-8 KOI TH
9 BBL
10 FUT

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asdfgh

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how are so many people having koi top fucking 7&8 because of 1 bo3 lmfao,they could have literally 2-0'd nrg if a couple rounds went differently

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patuj

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1-2: Fnatic, NaVi (not in order)
3: Liquid
4-6: KOI, Giants, Vitality (not in order)
7: Heretics
8: KCorp
9: BBL
10: FUT

But I think that especially 7-9 can change, but too early to tell.
Reasoning: NaVi and Fnatic both have a core and really stacked roster on paper. Liquid might be there as well, but I have more questions for them and they might have some issues with language barrier and roles at start. KOI, Giants and Vitality all have good rosters IMO especially the first 2 and I also think that these teams especially Vitality have a clear vision and project and are built by people who actually want to do well in the league. Heretics roster is just so uninspiring and full of players who had weak 2022. I just don't see any vision. KCorp is griefing themselves by going full French, but they still have Scream and Nivera who are good. And BBL and FUT are just same core for most part as they had before and didn't make any massive changes outside of BBL getting and IGL. Turkish teams just lack structure and strats I think like always.

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hekzy

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Replace BBL with Heretics

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patuj

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Yeah I think 7,8 and 9 are up in the air, but I think Heretics' peak is highest out of the 3 but they will likely be inconsistent af. But after this tournament I think KCorp might do better.

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hekzy

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Nah, they poopoo. They have star players who aren't really in form. And these two have to carry three certified bots.

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patuj

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That's why I said peak. If keloqz, zeek and Avova play to level of their peaks they are good, but they are inconsistent and had weak 2022.

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hekzy

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AvovA is never gonna play to his peak again. Early 2021 was his peak.

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wizardbot

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Liquid won't have language barrier. Nats speaks good english and Redgar is more than manageable even if not good

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patuj

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Yes but its really different leading and making calls in English compared to doing small interviews. Even Jamppi said on someone's chat (Sliggy?) that teams with native English speaking IGLs like Boaster have big advantage, so there might have been some issues in TL.

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wizardbot

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Maybe but im not just talking about small interviews. Nats does full streams in English, its more than good. Redgar does english streams too, its weaker than Nats' but still decent for someone new

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asdfgh

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the top 3 is clear but everyone else can just fluke and have good games and shit ones,koi and giants are still 4&5,kcorp and vita probably 6&7,and heretics &turkey bottom 3,but heretics is just so hit and miss they can beat a lot of top teams if they play good but overall they are so inconsistent

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FlameJi

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Their strat is sit and pray that kellogs carry

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Gutssz

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1,2 - Liquid Fnatic
3 - NAVI
4,5 - KOI Giants
6 - Vitality
7,8 - BBL Heretics
9,10 - FUT KCORP

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liquid
navi
fnatic
giants
vit
th
koi
kc
bbl
footy

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FlameJi

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Koi > th

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should be but they giot shat on this tourney

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FlameJi

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Getting shat on by nrg >>>> getting 2-0 by Eg

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hekzy

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1-3 TL, FNC, NaVi
(Secret 4th is Parla but riot franchising is dogshit)
4-6. Giants, Vit, Koi
7-8. KC, BBL
9-10. Heretics, FUT

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evvve

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if u beat tl fnc or navi only then does the trashtalk mean anything

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yungbasel

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No one knows.

Teams barely or haven't played.

People are just ranking of name value and past results.

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Number_1_Sheydos_Fan

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"Ur region is kinda mid"

NRG went home big boy, LOUD are going to be the 1 team for americas

LOUD, DRX, FNC and TL \ NAVI are going to be the teams in top 4

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Congo1

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Tier 1 Fnc, Liquid, Navi

Tier 2 Giants, Vitality

Tier 3 KOI, Kcorp, BBL

Tier 4 FUT, Heretics

Heretics are dogshit and KC is actually good. People just have a hateboner or smth.

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Koi tier 2 **