a GOAT list you can NOT disagree with

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  1. Alfajer
  2. Chronicle
  3. aspas
  4. Ethan
  5. Boaster

HM: Less, Derke, nAts, ZmjjKK

this list should make everyone happy to some extent, right? and dont say flair, I personally think aspas is #1

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catzin
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Riens where ?

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Wolfed
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riens will not be making any unbiased top 10s, sorry

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OceanB
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top 10 sova in vct? Top 10 initiator in vct?

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catzin
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top 1 fade, top 1 sova, top 1 initiator

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doesnt give him an argument in all time greatness list, you need more international success for that

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AzraelllSEN
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legit retarded LMAO top 10 without winning a VCT trophy??????

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thats theoretically possible imo, riens just doesnt have the consistent success

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crewenglazer
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i disagree

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OceanB
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ethan is not over boaster man T-T

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i agree, but to please everyone, i had to - there are too many nrg flairs

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md_
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Ethan aim clears

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Mrudddddd
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cheathan being in right place at the right time has put him in conversations he should not be a part of

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1000%

but too many people think 2 champs trophies automatically make you part of the conversation

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JaeLucky
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doesn't it tho?

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sentinelmain377
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no lmao

greatest of all time (consistency & longevity + success)

not "luckiest/flukiest of all time" (success but no consistency)

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ILikeEsports
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yea but his trophies werent fluke though

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ILikeEsports
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man why am i downfragged

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SudokuDude
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luck is a skill though. NRG just had the right map pool for Paris.

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So doesn't
Immortal players shoot better , igl'ing wise he is not even top 3 in his region so idk what makes him the 'goat'

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Lakia is goat convo too i guess

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yes Lakia the 2x Champs winner

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Congo1
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So if lakia wins champs 26 you would put him up there? Dont get caught up in technicalities when you (should be able to) very well understand the point.

If Kiles gets subbed in to PRX and wins champs is he the Goat?

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bro we were literally on the same side but why the fuck did you start talking ab Lakia

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only won 1 masters btw

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aexberry
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Right place, right time. He went through 2024 NRG lmao

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wintery
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flair

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crewenglazer
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holy flair

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wintery
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what about my flair? are u js in awe at how amazing my flair is? tyy

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crewenglazer
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i’m surprised bro i didn’t even know they were a team. i’ve never seen them at any events how come

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New gen

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wintery
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so u dont watch apac and uve started watching val after 2024? flair makes sense then

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crewenglazer
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changed flair a solid two days ago fyi

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wintery
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bandwagoner

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crewenglazer
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i want to support a team that made london bc then the matches are actually exciting is that a problem

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delighted
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actual infant

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crewenglazer
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bro i started properly watching in 2025

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delighted
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u should go back and watch the OPTC vs LOUD matches

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Linardinsss
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Americass players in a goat list = bad list

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asunaluvr
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top 3 is correct and then it just falls off a cliff

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sentinelmain377
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ethan cant be here

  1. Chron
  2. Alfa
  3. Boast
  4. Derke
  5. Aspas
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flair + aspas is here

#20
vo0kashuluvr
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the list is invalid if aspas is here

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SENfns
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i disagree

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9wntr
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how u gon be an fnc flair and underrate boaster

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Wolfed
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its not MY list, its VLR's list

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  1. Chron
  2. Alfa
  3. Aspas
  4. Derke
  5. Boaster
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9wntr
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whats the argument for boaster < derke

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Congo1
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Derke was a top 3 player in the world in 2021-2022. People forget his pre franchise dominance

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mangomango
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Alfa needs atleast one more masters trophy bro

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pfff get a load of this guy ^

#43
mangomango
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im not wrong

#44
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yes you are, alfajer has consistently been one of the best itw, even internationally

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Zekken(adderall variant) where? 😕

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one of the best to come out of NA, but doesnt have the international success to warrant a spot on the list. sorry

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Chron over alfa (personally for me, I can see why people go alfa.)

Ethan over Asspass

Aside from that yeah, solid list

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Ethan is that player who's just mid but somehow managed to win 2 trophies. Most forgettable decorated player in any esports

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TaniBoy
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You put KK in HM and not sacy and tenz... say you hate sen without saying you hate sen ahh move

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lowk tho i agree, but man how many people can u even have in an HM list

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Sacy was good in 2022 but a spray merchant the rest of his career

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macncheese
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boaster on a goat list while perma choking every important match and going -30 minimum in important bo5s balright

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PkBTH
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Boaster no. IGL can have different category.

They can get Top 10 if they plays like some demon too but if they don't then no they are not top 10 in general but surely top 10 in IGL rank.

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LightningIFY
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why not?
hes the best igl, top 10 my ass hes top 1
without boaster, players like alfa and chron wouldnt have been where they are today
i get it that his aim is shit, but his calls are brilliant and he is one of if not the smartest minds to have ever played valorant
he deserves top 10

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Ethan less nats kk don't belong here

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Kangkang farmed billy billy who farmed NRG 2-0 twice

kk hard carried edg to champs win without abusing any agent.

Either this is a low tier ragebait or you have dementia.

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tubelight
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Multiple teams in americas are destroying eg and loud rn, does this mean thkse teams are great as well?

Also kk abused neon

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Ross
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So your metrics are based on what exactly? Strictly opinion, performance, trophies, international success?

I put heavy emphasis on trophies hence why Ethan and chron are my 1 and 2. And why no one in G2, despite individual skill, is in top lists.

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ILikeEsports
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no sacy is crazy

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def no bias here

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cloudberry
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If we're not allowed to disagree then what's the point of making a thread

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idk i didnt make the list

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cloudberry
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Then who did 😭

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-cheathan
+tenz

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Dam1aN
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No Leo, invalid list.

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i can get down w this list

#78
Wolfed
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i can get down with you pretty boy

#79
shrike-
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WAT?

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thanks

#86
P100P
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Why Nats or Less ?

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Good list overall but replace nAts with t3xture/meteor in HM

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