when it comes to the debate overall i dont really care
but I'm seeing the point "boaster had all time greats on his team" come up a lot
i think thats a weird point to make when 4/5 of the champs winning NRG roster are still playing
mada skuba and brawk have all been in tier 1 for like 15 minutes
keiko aint even been here that long either
what if they become all time greats 😭😭😭😭😭😭
this is the answer to the debate (if you disagree, you're kinda slow im ngl):
the IGL debate is different than the goat debate:
In the goat debate, however, Ethan and Boaster are closer (Boaster still clears rn).
you had me until you said Boaster is higher than Ethan in the GOAT debate
well he is WAY more successful since 2021 than Ethan (more internationals, more high placements, etc). and Boaster is the sole reason that FNATIC has been relevant for 5 years.
The only reason why Boaster isn't higher than Ethan in the GOAT debate imo is because he has the mechanical level of an ascendant for 99% of games, ESPECIALLY long BO5s (-16 in LBF vs TL, -29 in MBF vs M8, -35 in Champs GF, -30 in Toronto GF vs PRX, etc.). I know that it isn't his job to frag out since he has incredibly gifted teammates mechanically, but also FNC is basically playing a 4.5v5 with Boaster being unable to shoot back
his mechanics are good enough to hang in ranked where he plays high immo to radiant
I think he just focuses way more on team direction instead
Hard to argue against that. I mean ig if you really value Boaster's mechanical performance, then he shouldnt be higher than Ethan. For my goat lists, I value how good the player is at their role and their success in val, so that's why I have boaster higher.
considering what you value, that makes a lot of sense as to why Boaster is higher. He's inarguably the greatest IGL of all time and has lead multiple different iterations of teammates to international success
i think overall impact matters more than just mechanical shooting
theres not really a great way to measure or directly observe that, but best you can do is see the consistency of teams a player has been on
doesnt matter if he made more internationals, ethan is more successful in terms of trophies and cash made in the game. That is the ONLY relevant data
so you would say EWC is not a mickey tournament and it is better than all Masters tournaments right? (cash/prize money)
the poor production alone makes EWC a Mickey Mouse Tournament (except for TH fans)
for a goat debate the production can be non-existent as long as the players have functioning PCs and a high enough prize pool it will matter
well in terms of cash fuck yea, but for entertainment no. see ur only looking at an entertainment perspective not in the way where what actually matters
U say that but Ethan was lit the best support in 2023 lol and this was prime flash ini meta and this guy could be anywhere at the map n will still flash to set demon1 up
He wasn't a good flash support bro is ur attention span this bad u can't get past the first line
Boaster has won multiple trophies competed in internationals consistently for 5 years now, and you are comparing him to someone who was stuck in his region until 2023.
it's actually crazy how ethan as an igl has the chance to outdo boaster's entire career while having only been an igl for less than a year
says a lot about boaster if he is surpassed that easily by someone who supposedly isn't even a good igl lol
Wouldn’t say much really, still makes boaster better than every other IGL other than Ethan if he wins Santiago.
And if there’s one thing boaster loves it’s being 2nd
bonkar exist in NRG who help shape Ethen even he also admint bonkar help him cause he was also IGL under Chet it is coach diffrence now he is more learnt then past
There's no way you are gonna put Ethan as a better igl than Boaster if Ethan won Santiago. Holy shit vlr is cooked bro wtf am I reading. No way you're all this stupid right?
its such a strange debate because i think ethan is MILES clear individually
but I think boaster is a better IGL
but at the same time, even if you're the greatest IGL to ever do it, dropping 7 kills every game mitigates the great igling
i think boaster cant challenge ethan at actual gunskill
but ethan cant challenge boaster at raw igling
so overall as players id have them pretty close
but i dont think boaster would work on a team without at least 3 exceptional shooters
boaster can barely work on a team with 3 exceptional shooters because he himself is -2 shooters
its a very weird dynamic 😭😭😭😭
but also every player that leaves him becomes turbo washed
hes got curse of binding
every player that has left FNC hasnt done anything. Boaster is why they look good (Boaster = +4 shooters).
I also believe boaster IGL diffs him on one other thing, the way he can integrate new players so easily and make them look great with his style of calling.
Ethan hasn’t done this yet so I don’t know if he’s capable of this.
Keiko?
but Boaster has done it with way more players (and mostly players coming out of Tier 2). Keiko was already proven on TL ig.
Botster clears although he has consistently had 2 of the top 10 players itw on his team
if we're talking best IGL, I don't think Ethan is even in the argument since he's been doing it for such a short amount of time.
I do think the teammate argument is more relevant to Boaster tho because his personal performances are so dismal that it's very, very hard to imagine his team doing anything if his teammates aren't insane enough to pick up the slack. Meanwhile some igl's like ethan or valyn have shown the capacity to frag heavy while in game. Even if Boaster's igling is theoretically better, they could probably do better on a worse roster than him.
guys explain to me how boaster lost to a team of 3 rookies when he had alfajer, chronicle, and crashies on his team 😭🥀
and he still got humiliated on the last map with ethan destroying the match and carrying the team (something boaster can’t do, always at -30)
i feel bad, boaster is great but ethan in 1 year as an igl is surpassing him
i dont think ethan is surpassing him as an igl
but currently boasters better igling is not winning him trophies, because at the end of the day its a shooting game, and he looks like a bronze player thats been dropped into a pro game 😭😭😭😭😭
and ethan is on track for a 2nd trophy as an IGL
in the same way that i think valyn is a worse igl than boaster
but if im building a team im taking valyn 100x over
I think that's crazy considering boaster has been igling his teams to lan events since 2021
so true bro like less is still playing right yall remember less right hes coming back for sure
I've always thought ethan more comparable to chronicle playerwise. But really I can't of anyone like him because he had success in cs as well as multiple valo teams, and he's still on top of the game.
they're two different kinds of igls too, boaster micromanages a lot midround while ethan has a set list of protocols from the coach. We all remember ethan igling in 2024
i think in time if ethan manages to keep up these performances he will surpass boaster
certainly
he does have a long way to go considering boaster has been igling to good international placings for like 5 years
compared to Ethan's like 6 months
but if he keeps this pace up and maintains his mechanical skill, I could see him climbing the ranks extremely quickly
i think ethan owes a lot of his success to bonkar but if we start to see better midrounding and calling to boasters level, not just protocols and set strats then the debate gets tighter at an igl point of view
Ethan: Top 20 cs player in 2019
Boaster: Not a Top 20 cs player in 2019
#iknowwhomygoatis
boaster: pro in the same game with Faker
Ethan: not pro in the same game with Faker
#iknowwhomygoatis
Me: posted this on vlr
Boaster: Did not post this on vlr
Ethan: Did not post this on vlr
#iknowwhomygoatis
Boaster clears ethan on IGL debate, imagine working on different rosters on your entier career yet somehow you make them work and make the grand finals each time, Ethan is great, his mental grit is insane, but boaster clears (Goat Debate ethan tho)
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