Let them hype their boy for the night. After Chron wins Champs, his 4th trophy, there will once again be no debate. No sane man could possibly argue against Chronicles supremacy
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the only metric is trophies once again
can never really put him at the top anywhere else
Winnies trophies by being the best on your team (leo, alfa, aspas, etc.)
chron was in the right place at the right time
You are clueless if you think Chronicle didn't have a huge role in winning those trophies. If this game was about having 1 guy kill everyone, Aspas would have more trophies. You think Aspas wasn't also at the right place at the right time?
chronicle had the least important role at lockin and tokyo lol
revisionist history and stats againt bum teams wont change that
ur changing ur wording now? You just said lockin and tokyo now its only the finals?
biased bronzil fans cant use their brain too much during these discussions cuz the bias takes over.
alfajer (inconsistent)
then chronicle, then leo, and Boaster is the most important
also now u would say: "Leo and boaster are better than chron?"
Leo: best player of all time skill-wise, but doesnt have much longevity/success compared to others in the convo
Boaster: he is the real goat, but no one is ready for that
Not saying chronicle didn’t have a role, he’s just never been the best or has been the biggest role in winning his trophies since you can’t win 4v5
there has always been better players in his team
can’t say the same for players like aspas or alfajer, who have time and time again been the best players on their teams
This game is about winning. If you're not winning, who cares if you're the best on the team? Aspas couldn't win a map going +40. Besides, at times Chronicle has had the biggest role. Fanatic's best map in 2023 was lotus, and his stats on that map were almost always at the top.
Chronicle will always seem like the goat when you cherry pick stats like this lmao, who cares about who looks the best on a certain map in a certain year when talking about all time status?
and you saying aspas couldn’t win a map proves my point even more, he looks this good while playing on a much worse team, different roster every single year. chron doesn’t look that good but still wins because he has better players on his team constantly
crazy how trying to defend chron you shoot yourself in the foot
It's not cherry-picking. Lotus literally was the reason Fnatic had such a hugely successful year.
Ok cool
he was still the third best player in the team because alfa/leo outperformed him on every other map
someone is supposed to get kills and someone is supposed to set up the kills simple.
It's the same for f.e football everyone thinks the goats of football are the strikers cause they get goals but every one of these goats thanks their teammates for setting them up
flashy plays always garner more fans.
Each players does what they do best and chron is best at doing what needs to be done to win aspas is best at killing. Both are great players but your argument is like put an f1 racer in a rally race and or the other way around and expect them to perform just as good. Zidane Pirlo Zanetti Kevin de bruyne and many others they were not the best goal scorers (like aspas best killer) yet they are considered one of the greatest players because of their other abilities and ability to win thropies.
if that aint facts idk what is. NRG just beat mibr with their entire team negative by 5 or more on the series. evidently stats are not the deciding factor
the one trophy Aspas won Internationally he was the worst in the team Pfftt OWN GOAL
Chronicle was never the best on his team in any of the trophies he won so i don’t see your point
was he the worst tho ? also he is paying support agents he isnt expected to the BEST in the server and yet he is dropping numbers
he isnt expected to the BEST in the server
and he never is
so how is he the GOAT if he’s never the best? is he just the goat for being plain good all the time?
"he never is" yea just say you havent watched Chronicle drop bombs on agents like Viper and Breach when his team has other THANOS... so how is Aspas the goat ? for just being consistent ? he hasnt even been the best player of any year fella
neither has chronicle
everything you’re saying can just be applied to chronicle 😭 he just wins because he consistently has better teammates
we cannot be serious. so 1 good map means chronicle is the best player on the team??? You could then argue literally anyone at one point was the best on their team bc they most likely match mvp'd at least once.
The only 2 tournaments where aspas wasnt the best on his team was champs 2022 and toronto.
chron can't even say he was ever the best player on his team for an entire tournament.
We can't only talk about trophies as to what makes a great player as it doesnt measure individual impact and worth, it measures team impact and team worth. I would say a player with a 1.2 rating who comes third is better then a player who wins with a 1.15 rating, ceteris parabis.
alfajer/kaajak will be
chron might still win but i predict he’ll be the fourth best in his team
Because he isn’t the greatest of all time for literally any metric besides trophies, most of which have been on the same team with mostly the same players
He actually has better stats than aspas, since that's all that aspas glazers care about
Its literally true tho, you can prove it wrong if u want but it's literally all there. Has a better rating than aspas while doing it on flex role
you need to delve deep into specifics to even have chron come close, and even then the whole rating is watered down by that one fluke performance in toronto
aspas has always been the better player, chron can have his goat title for winning trophies but there have always been players better than him on his team since he’s been playing
You don't need to delve deep at all. Take both their average rating in their career and u'll see that chron has higher. No1 is denying that aspas is a better fragger, just not the better player. Also chron-nats tied for mvp, sources are even saying chron would get mvp. 'watered down by that fluke performance' that's the point.... Chronicle doesn't have that, can't be the best player of ALL TIME when ur not consistent all the time
nAts was the mvp for berlin, chronicle looked the best for one exact series
reminder that chronicle has CONSISTENTLY been surrounded by the best players in the world that have allowed him to find the kinds of stats he does
aspas’ rating is miles more impressive when taken into account he has never been surrounded by a superteam (2022 loud wasn’t a superteam), chron has never ONCE been the best player on his team at any point in his career but has similar stats to aspas because his teams are always better
and we all like talking about flukes when toronto was the exact definition of a fluke from aspas
There was no mvp for Berlin, you can say they both earned it. Also, how is loud 2022 not a superteam??? You had sacy, pancada, aspas, saadhak and less. Even the mibr rn was looking very good even without aspas. Verno best fragging igl, cortezia aim demon, even artzin is popping off lately. 'chron has been surrounded by the best players in the world' they weren't the best AT THAT TIME, they got the status of 'being the best' cuz they've won and proved themselves, chron was there since the very start. When the fnc roster (Leo, chron, boaster, derke, alfa) got made, no1 was thinking 'damn this roster is too stacked, they gonna win it all' till they did
in hindsight loud 2022 is a superteam, but only two of these players were internationally known before that year. should we call EG 2023 a superteam because they made two international finals as well?
When the fnc roster (Leo, chron, boaster, derke, alfa) got made, no1 was thinking 'damn this roster is too stacked, they gonna win it all' till they did
Man i can’t even understate how wrong you are. this is legit one of two super teams ever made (the only other one is NRG 2024 which failed miserably)
Every player on that fnc roster never won anything besides chron.There were a lot of teams that people thought would do better than fnc. People NEVER predicted fnc to do what they did when they made that roster. And how is an ascension team that made 2 gf and won champs not a superteam? They had prime demon1, jawgemo, com (when he was insane), ethan and boostio (one of the best igls considered at that time). U cant say an ascension team that went into multiple gfs and won champs is not a superteam lol. Did people EXPECT them to be a superteam? No, are they a superteam? Yes
pure impact??? the best shooter does not equal the best player. same with the best player not always being the number 1 shooter, and thats what chron is. he is insanely talented at shooting dont get me wrong but he is also insane at every other thing in the game
nah bc its not like hes an amazing fragger who has an insanely versatile agent pool and great support util and still can frag out while being a backline player. Oh yeah and it's not like even tho he has alfa and kaajak on his team hes still able to frag. Yeah ur right tho 4 trophies means nothing chron is trash
so we are glazing him for:
- doing his job as a flex
- having better teammates who consistently play better than him at any given point in time
bruh
nah he happens to do his job as a flex better than nearly every other flex player in the world, and also can look world class alongside other world class players
also there are MULTIPLE games from this year ALONE where chron outperforms alfa and kaajak
being better than most flex players is not an achievement considering most flex players are ass, chron is above average by simply being decent
and there are more games where alfa and kaajak have outperformed him than chron has outperformed them because they are in fact better players
most flex players are ass
this is the most tide pod eater take ever bro
there are more games where alfa and kaajak have outperformed him than chron has outperformed them
bc its 2 to 1, also alfa plays a solo senti lurk role and kaajak plays duelist on the most util supportive team in the world, and chron still can go neck and neck with them
this is the most tide pod eater take ever bro
it’s a common take actually, very few flex players are actually good, and if they are, they actually aren’t very flexible at all
chron still can go neck and neck with them
every once in a while, sure, but 9/10 times he is getting carried by one of alfajer and kaajak (sometimes even crashies lmao), he has carry performances for may one map out of 15
there are as many good flex players as there are for any other role. Also, the quality of a flex player is not dependent on how many agents they can play, it's how good are they as a player + can they play the few agents that their team needs them to play.
he has carry performances for may one map out of 15
youre js straight retarded or baiting idek anymore
there really aren't you're either an actual flex or just permanently two or three agents that just so happen to be different roles so you can technically call yourself a flex, and even then most flex players are not really that good. chron is above average and he still get overshadowed
youre js straight retarded or baiting idek anymore
not sure how what i said was wrong but ok lol
Forsaken, woot, jonahp, chron, ethan, flashback, saadhak, munchkin, izu
all of these are off the dome, there's a lot more great flex players
Bronzilians are different level of deluded Chron could have 15x masters wins and 5x Champs wins but they would still cope that Asspiss is better
“Chronicle couldn’t elevate weaker teams” brotha how do you know that? A foolish analogy
bro they were in a huge ping disadvantage no way to carry that
also idk wtf are you talking about sheydos was better than him only in the LCQ
Chron and nAts were carrying full season
He could elevate them but chronicle on mibr playing artzin’s role with some mid duelist would not even make champs. Why is there even an argument over this.
And you know this how? We have no idea what he would perform like on a weaker roster? Just cause he’s always played in great teams with good players doesn’t mean he’s any less capable of elevating a weaker team to qualify to internationals or maybe even contend for a trophy.
And this isn’t a comparison on if he can elevate a team the way aspas can, 2 completely different players with very different roles
We know he won’t be doing what aspas is doing because he can’t even do it on a team with 3-4 superstar players while winning most of his games consistently throughout the year. Boaster is also literally full micromanaging his every move to set him up for success. Aspas has proven himself on multiple teams with significantly worse players to be a player with huge carry potential while chronicle can’t even do that consistently on his own team despite having some of the best players in their respective roles.
if aspas was on derke's place and you put any other flex in chronicle's place and they would've of won EVERYTHING since franchising you dumb idiots
fuck you mean delusional man, present me a solid point on why trading derke for aspas is a bad thing and chronicle carried ass
everyone said that G2 would win everything this year, everyone said that NRG superteam would win everything. But they didnt win shit. like valorant aint just select the good players u auto win the tournament
I can’t tell if you’re literally an idiot or what but not a single flex could do what chronicle did impact wise for Lock//in and Tokyo. And all around his time with Fnatic
Look Chron is amazing but bro look at the teams that Aspas has carried to champs and look at the teams that chron has had man. you literally cannot compare them two on an individual stand point. Aspas is just better.
carried them to what? 0 trophies? bombing out of events?
please get ur facts right
Bro just got knocked out of Champions, hasn’t won a trophy in half a decade, and people think this is the right time to call this bum the goat🤣🤣
people misunderstanding roles. make chron and aspas exchange roles and you'll get chron 1.15 rating and aspas 0.57.
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