Top 3 IGL of all time

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menmymissus

Boaster
Munchkin
Valyn

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this is probably true but it lowkey hurts to see nats not here

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Nats will soon be there when he wins master as IGL

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Hijack comment:

HOW TF ARE VALYN AND MUNCHKIN TOP 3 ALL TIME???? HOW IS NATS IN THE GOAT IGL CONVO ALREADY (goat sentinel obviously but not even close to goat igl yet)??? ARE U VLR PEOPLE THAT NEW???

Boaster Saadhak FNS Ange1 Munchkin is easily top 5 ALL TIME. fucking Valyn hasnt even won a trophy yet. Munchkin hasnt been even close to as relevant as the 4 after Boaster I mentioned.

HOW TF IS THIS THREAD GETTING UPVOTES???????????

https://www.vlr.gg/499145/top-20-igls-of-all-time-v2

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probably, the recency bias is absolutely insane

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stax top 6

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Art top 7

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siufatbb top 1

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TruthNuke

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bro snuck in boostio

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sentinelmain377

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https://www.vlr.gg/499145/top-20-igls-of-all-time-v2

replace?

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z4kr9

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he is a top 20 igl but no way he is close to top 5 . It was more abt potter and zikz being goated coaches and developing randoms to world class players

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sentinelmain377

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wait ngl that's true. I might have been too affected by the recency bias during shanghai last year. time to make some changes

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z4kr9

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bro but dont change boostio's position dramatically like out of top 20 or smth like that or 18th like potter and zikz developed them . Boostio helped them excecute it while being a good fragger in champs and master '23

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Boostio is top 11

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bro like you should drastically put him down like potter and zikz developed the guys but boostio helped the plans excecute and lead them , while fragging really when esp in masters and champs '23 so ya . Prolly about 9 to 11 is a good spot for him .

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z4kr9

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bro fuck this glitch like I did see my prev msg after posting it

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sentinelmain377

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oh he is 8 now

continue thread →

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RGIncredible

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But doesnt Valyn need a Masters trophy too then? Dont get me wrong he is good, but when you cant win something.

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Aminbg02

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was nAts igl in gambit and or 23 liquid?

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zyzyck

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he started igling near the end of 2024 iirc

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yeah i remember towards ends of stage2 he took over calling ,thats why i was confused over someone wanting him to be called among goats

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DBStudios

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Redgar was IGL for gambit and Jamppi for 23

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redgar in 23ntoo

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maybe if we were talking about senti but he just hasnt been an igl for long enough

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yeah bro because he is igl since a half season but he will be good in future

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Valid

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Warlordwibz

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If we're talking all time, FNS/Stax > Valyn. Valyn not in the conversation yet. Win international trophy first.

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menmymissus

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The player you mentioned can't even shoot back to save their lives.

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He had a better peak than valyn

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menmymissus

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In plumbers era

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Selfim

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Same goes for Boaster if you apply that logic too no? Im not tryna go against Boaster here just mentioning your point.

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we talking igls which means regarding their calls and leading teams not mechanical ability

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menmymissus

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NRG kicked FNS out, why?? Because old man couldn't hold his gun properly

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nailujrete

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yeah and not because of his calling. it's top 3 igls not top 3 fragging igls

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menmymissus

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Fragging is essential part of the game. If not the coaches would be running the scene?

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nailujrete

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in general yes, fragging is essential i agree. but not in this conversation. it's about who calls the best and not who gets the most kills

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Warlordwibz

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they both won international trophies. Also stax can aim, the pearl diffuse moment against G2.

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valyn top 3 without a chip is crazy

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menmymissus

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3 regionals
1 ascension
2 top 3 finishes in masters

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you can’t be top 3 oat without some international achievements

let valyn win something first then we can talk about putting him in goat convos

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menmymissus

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He is the only one who clawed his way back from tier 2 and dominate the scene

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Cool

Where’s his chip

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sawrice

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Thats a very fair point

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ok who would you replace valyn with?

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nooomy

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Saadhak
Boostio
FNS
stax
nobody

all above valyn atm

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Why not add Tdawgg and Art too?

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the sarcasm doesnt work when the 5 I listed all have international trophies and valyn doesnt

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then i could nominate nobody from edg

all the regionals except 2025 stage 1
1st in champs, 3rd in Masters Bangkok

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menmymissus

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Fluke champs. Farmers league. Can't rate nobody.

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Selfim

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You'd be a good politician with these beautiful takes of yours

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thank you kind sir

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ZANEy

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valyn cannot be added to to greatest igl debates till he wins a masters or champs

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sentinelmain377

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even if he won Toronto, he isnt top 5 all time yet. if he won champs, maybe (probably)

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ZANEy

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I MEAN YEAH BUT HE IS CLOSE

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Congo1

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0 trophy valyn a goat??? lmao

true list:

Boaster
FNS
Ange1

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Yistyy

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Probably fns just off legacy. Even tho he got washed later in his career.

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just replace valyn with johnqt and it's fine

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Brother Valyn has wiped the floor with Johnqt since tier 2

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surely he would have an international trophy no if he's that good?

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Im fine if johnqt isn’t there but surely he’s an honourable mention right?, he’s been playing really well

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menmymissus

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Yeah, he is a shooter. very rare quality in IGLs

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replace valyn with fns pls

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vexdia

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perfect list except munchkin above boaster

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menmymissus

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Surely you must be special to think that right?

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i mean munchkin does shoot way better and has accomplished almost just as much in a significantly shorter timespan
personally would say boaster is still the "goat" though

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menmymissus

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Yeah, munchkin is good but boaster has been here since the inception. No one is stealing the top spot from him for a long time.

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Hynix

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well, if munchkin wins one more int. then it's definitely very comparable

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menmymissus

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Maybe but boaster has longevity. Not sure Munchkin would be able to dethrone him. But two more masters and we can have a conversation on that.

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Munchkin isnt close to what boaster has achieved yet, if he wins another then he would almost be there

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Realfacts

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These people don't know how much boaster has achieved as a igl. Munchkin hasn't even placed in top 8 in any champs till date. While boaster has multiple deep runs in champs as well as masters he didn't win. He has insane longevity in this game. Been at the top from beginning.

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lol munchkin already outcalled boaster once in shanghai hes gonna do it again :)

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recency bias list

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where is art and artzin? they are by far the most underrated igls

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Lol. Adding Tdawgg would make the holy trinity of goat IGL's.

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Saahdak? Where is he? Haven't seen anyone mention him

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Sorry not top 3 material. Would include in hall of fame with FNS. But we talking about the goats.

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saadhak and stax both higher than valyn
FNS comparable

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boaster, saadhak, stax

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Munchkin, Valyn

too recent bias, Valyn also hasnt even won yet with a single top 2 performance, so not enough tangible success either.

I think you still have to put FNS in there, and the 3rd pick can be whatever you want stax, munchkin, nobody, valyn, nats, saadhak, boo all depends what you value

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where valyn trophy ?

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in my throat.

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Boaster>FNS>saadhak, all 3 soon to be overtaken by nAts, but anyone other than these 3 in a top 3 all time list of igls is a bad take.

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nats has become igl at the end of 2024 didnt he?

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Itsover

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Yes, but he'll win 3 trophies as igl very soon, just watch. Also he was a secondary caller in Gambit

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marxlboro

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nats is not even close to these 3, If he at least win one trophy, he can be considered better than valyn or ange1, but thats it

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v0lyn 😭😭

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It’s boaster fns and saadhak followed by stax and munchkin

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menmymissus

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Mybad it's Boaster, Munchkin and Siufatbb

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no mention for all time for FNS, Saadhaak, Stax, or ANGE1 is criminal.

Boaster valid
Valyns been pretty good but hasn't won a trophy yet. Once he does he'd 100% be on there
Munchkin probably in the top 10 but can't in good faith say he's above any of the 4 I mentioned all time, but its close with Stax and ANGE1 currently.

IMO the list that way would be

Boaster
Saadhaak
FNS
4a. Ange1
4b. Valyn
Stax
Munchkin

Guys like Boostio, D4v4i, and Nats could honestly make top 10.

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I am finally enlightened. it's Boaster, Munchkin and Siufatbb

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bait used to be believable

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Bro you put Boostio in top IGLs list?

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Top 10 maybe, He still won a championship and has managed to stay in tier 1 valo for all 5 seasons of it. Nowhere near above anyone else I listed. Who else would you put on a top 10?

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Tdawgg, Art, SiufatBB

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why some dont fw munchkin he had a insane 24 and isnt a liability

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Insane bias against apac

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Bro sneaked in valyn and munchkin lmao

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Saadhak ?! Hlw ?!

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who?

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stopped looking after seeing #1 wasnt nats

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Then you should start from the bottom of the list.

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Boaster FNS Munchkin. HM nAts Johnqt Valyn

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Boaster greatest IGL of time followed by FNS , Saadhaak , Munchkin , Valyn , Boostio , JohnQt and the rest

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Putting Boostio in the list is wild. Not it.