Cloud 9 white top 15

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100TBoeJiden

can we start having a serious discussion about c9W possibly being top 15???

we already know c9 with vanity is loaded with talent but not enough talk about c9W.

lots of talent and the mid round calls are beautiful.

just sad their matches don’t get any commentators but observer only. it’s obvious why(genders). wish riot would support the community better

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nah

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nah, top 15 is a stretch

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I gotta say tho, love seeing the c9w girls doing some progress.

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yeah, I genuinely do hope for the best for C9W, as well as C9B. But no way are they top 15. I mean they're higher than 79 where they are now, but still not close to top 15.

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yeah Mel is insane for sure. great overall player.

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I’d say top 30, top 15 is kind’ve pushing it. C9W have been improving a lot though, Mel is insane

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100TBoeJiden

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respect the opinion and at least you’re honest. thanks for contributing to the community and not being sexist!

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Yeah Since they made the main bracket in both open Quals for Challengers 2 they are Top 32 NA.

If they win a couple you could make the argument for 20-25th but we will have to wait and see. It's a double elimination so even if they win one game, it could just be a lucky match up against #32. and we would want to see a little more to be able to place them with more confidence on a power level

Wishing them all the success!

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yeah I understand your stance.

just such an exciting team to watch and some really talented players and rounds full of excitement

can’t wait to see them break the glass ceiling and prove all the jasonR fans wrong.

really appreciate cloud9 giving them a platform just wish they’d give more resources to provide more opportunities

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its mel and friends

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nah kat popping off in round of 64. Mel is the goat, but the whole team is solid

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did you watch their match just now? definitely not just "mel and friends"

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i did just see the game honestly going into this kinda rooting for them

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top 30 sure top 15 lol no

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I believe in Mel supremacy but this is too much

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100TBoeJiden

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elaborate?

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They can be put in top 30 right now.....in the future if they win against big names or even Nsgs I think we can say top 15 but right now no

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100TBoeJiden

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ill agree to disagree but thanks for not being toxic and contributing to the discussion.

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it not an opinion that can be debate... as much as would like them to be top 15 they are not.. look at the top 15 and tell me which one c9w is better. btw t1 is 17, geng 18 and 100t is 26.................

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They can’t even get of ro32

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100TBoeJiden

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that’s only bc they aren’t provided the same opportunities as the other teams and c9 doesn’t give them the same resources.

the talent is there, the opportunities are not. the investments aren’t there.

it’s that simple

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this has to be a troll right? they enter every tournament, there are no restrictions against them playing and they have the best female roster. considering they are an all-female roster, there's nothing else to invest in unless you mean bootcamp. i support c9w and i think they have insane players but saying they don't have the same opportunities/resources makes no sense.

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they actually don't have the same opportunities - they have way more.

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Top 50 maybe. meL is cracked but she cant carry her team into top 15 that easily

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nice edit

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https://www.vlr.gg/94333/cloud9-white-vs-girl-kissers-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr1/?game=all&tab=overview

im sorry but this isnt what a top 15 team does. Even T1 would wipe the floor with GK easily.

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GK (who used to be RNG) beat T1 like 2 months ago, I wouldn't say they wipe the floor easily

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WinterZ

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fair enough, maybe I exaggerated that part a bit but the point is that if even Tier2 teams like GK and Run It Down can beat C9W then what does that say about the team overall?

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WinterZ

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yea I realized I mistyped that lmao

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100TBoeJiden

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no you were clearly anti women esports with your original comment and then changed it to “mel is cracked” to save face

the internet is archived. nice try tho

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WinterZ

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the edit was changing it from top 150 to top 50 and if you actually read my post you'd notice that

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HackNaija

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probably top 30

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15 from bottom

#21

100TBoeJiden

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yikes using sexual slang as a bullying tactic. see what you did there using “bottom”

it’s 2022 not 1944 werirdo

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WinterZ

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he meant bottom of the leaderboard bro

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100TBoeJiden

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sure. and zombs isn’t top 10.

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WinterZ

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yup. He isn't top 10

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100TBoeJiden

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you’re right he’s top 6

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WinterZ

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more like top 25

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top 30 is more reasonable.

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100TBoeJiden

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why double to top 30? list 30 better teams?

top 15 is acceptable based on talent and lack of opportunities to compete against the best

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Ullyr

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Ik you're trying hard to be the next ballsax but chill out :/

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100TBoeJiden

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list 30 better teams then. why deflect? when’s your jasonR sub run out??

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WinterZ

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Ill do it for him. Here goes nothing,

Optic
The Guard
C9B
Xset
V1
NRG
Luminosity
SEN
TSM
FaZe
Knights
Ghost
Akrew
Complexity
Soniqs
SoaR
GenG
Nearest Airport
BBG Academy
T1
TSM Academy
DarkZero Esports
Oxygen Academy
Girl Kissers
Evil Geniuses
100T
Teal Seam
Zero Marksmen Black
Virtuoso
Cosmic Divide

count it, that's 30 teams. And thats only in NA

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100TBoeJiden

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lots of male only teams… pretty apprarent why you did that

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WinterZ

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bruh I just copied vlr's top 30 in NA KEKW. If there isnt any all female teams in top 30 thats not my fault bozo

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100TBoeJiden

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so you don’t have an independent thought and ability to judge teams?

all you use is some pro-male system that systematically oppresses non-male teams? that artificially rewards oppression?

you realize that’s not OK right?

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WinterZ

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pro-male kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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sugmaballzs

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c9 white have yet to beat 1 reputable team. How is this some misogyny bs. They just have not performed in matches.
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/1267/cloud9-white/?group=completed

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sugmaballzs

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They have only beat womens only teams and shitty ranked player teams who sign up for the open qualifier for fun

continue thread →

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Nips

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if c9w is so good why don't vlr put them in top 30 Its not even pro male its a commuter generated list based on games.

how would c9w get better if they already have a huge org supporting them and the best female players

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SentinLs with Rawkass will soon be off this list :D

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BerZergg

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top 15? no
top 150? yes

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100TBoeJiden

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name 150 better teams then? pretty insane comment probably founded in anti-(non)male teams

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sugmaballzs

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90 teams better than c9 white (in no particular order):

Optic
The Guard
C9B
Xset
V1
NRG
Luminosity
SEN
TSM
FaZe
Knights
Ghost
Akrew
Complexity
Soniqs
SoaR
GenG
Nearest Airport
BBG Academy
T1
TSM Academy
DarkZero Esports
Oxygen Academy
Girl Kissers
Evil Geniuses
100T
Teal Seam
Zero Marksmen Black
Virtuoso
Cosmic Divide
Moon Racoons
C9A
NYFU
Knights Academy
Skwirrel Warriors
Lenny Time
YFP Gaming
Girl Kissers
Brimstone Gaming
Team Basilisk
Acend
Team Liquid
Fnatic
G2 Esports
Guild Esports
Giants Gaming
Team BDS
Team Heretics
FunPlus Phoenix
TENSTAR
Team Vitality
Movistar Riders
BIG
Excel
OG
SuperMassive Blaze
Oxygen Esports
Futbolist
BBL Esports
Fire Flux Esports
Beşiktaş Esports
Gambit
Natus Vincere
ForZe
One Breath Gaming
KPI Gaming
Ninjas in Pyjamas
Ballista Esports
Cream Real Betis
Team Singularity
ZETA DIVISION
Crazy Raccoon
LOUD
Team Vikings
Furia Esports
Keyd Stars
Havan Liberty
Sharks Esports
DRX
F4Q
NUTURN Gaming
Guild Esports
Team Vitality
Kru
Paper Rex
Xerxia Esports
Full Sense
Team Secret
GenG
Andbox

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100TBoeJiden

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yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.

at least ur consistent

consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity

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I have no doubt in my mind that all of the teams on this list would beat c9 white lol. guess i'm oppressive and anti eqaulity

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jackb2016

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just because these men are better than C9 White does not mean he or anyone who lists this kinda stuff is a sexist and is trying to opress women

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obv they're male teams, c9w is the best women team but not top 15 itw lmao

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100TBoeJiden

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yeah and water isn’t wet.

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wkeyspectre

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ratio + water is wet btw

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100TBoeJiden

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wow what an original response using the R word.

don’t worry no one notices you just follow others in life parroting they same thing lacking a single individual thought

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ratio + cope + no bitches? + get owned + stay mad bozo

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did you just call the word 'ratio' the r-word? ROFL there is no fucking way you're for real

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WinterZ

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name 1 female team in NA that's better than C9W

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A couple of inactive teams, I mean if u update names, then it's only like 2-3 teams off, but some of these are obvious. (wow actually OG and BDS aren't inactive, they just haven't played in a while and look like actual shit)(Cream Real Betis, Nuturn, and F4Q are inactive, prob could find one or two more, but I'm too lazy to search through that. Cream Real Betis I have never heard of so I did a quick search, and Nuturn and F4Q rosters have been inactive for like a while already)

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I would love to see them be top 15 but idk if you can say that yet

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100TBoeJiden

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thanks for a positive comment. i just think their talent is up there if they had the right opportunities to compete on level playing field

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What’s not level about it

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truth

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100TBoeJiden

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based

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top 15 is a big stretch imo (and i say this as a c9w fan), but seeing as they did just get to ro32 + 8 teams have already qualified, top 40 is for sure. possibly around the top 30 range others have been discussing, will have to see how they measure up in their next match!

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appreciate the nice comment it’s refreshing compared to the others(toxic anti women vlr users)

hope this talented roster gets the opportunity to shine!!

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stop baiting they are at least top 5

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I'd say they're in the top 50-25 range, like on a good day theyre a tier 2 level team. But 15 is a huge stretch, they've only really made it to a top 32 in NA.

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name 50 better teams if you’re going to make these wild accusations

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I said they fall into the top 50 as of today based primarily on mickey mouse tourneys and VCT challengers, where both times C9W has made it to the top 32, but no higher than that. So theyre safely in that range, wouldnt say anything above 20 though.

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I love watching them and seeing them improve, I would say top 30 for sure, but top 15 is really high imo

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understood i just really appreciate their comp, mid round calls and overral approach to the game

SEN could learn a thing or two if they took the time to watch

you can tell vanity has a huge influence in the team by being in the same org.

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s advising the c9W team in his off time. it’s the type of person he is. it’s just obvious

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this might be one of the best baits ive seen, def 8/8.

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I would say top 20-25.

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top 30-35 not 15 since they qualified for last 32 in both the qualifiers

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thats too high their rank like 30-50

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name 30-50 better teams? no one ever can - at least if they actually objectively actually attempt to

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Lmao have you already forgotten?

P.S: Ik what you’re gonna say and yes, vlr rankings are an objective source

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you’re implying that riot aren’t casting their matches because of their gender? just no.

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hard to come to a different conclusion. the facts are pretty evident

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Or because they are debatably top 40 NA and don’t say to list them I’ve seen multiple lists on this thread already. Riot wouldn’t stream a game where neither team is popular when they can stream much popular and better teams

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that’s my point is riot doesn’t equate them to “popular” which by decree won’t allow them to be “popular”

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Correct me if I’m wrong but I think your point about them not having casters because they’re female is just wrong?
In the Open Qual #1 they literally got the main stream? With the analaysts and the casters and everything? Now in Open Qual #2, just like so many other teams, they just don’t happen to be on a casting stream

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i lost hope in them when they lost to girl kissers lmao
in srsness tho they regularly lose to t3 teams so nah i dont think top 15 is possible maybe top 30 tho

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I just can’t get someone to list 15 better teams let alone 30 if you’re being objectively honest

all I see is people listing abunch of pro male teams.

oh well equality is just not popular in the vlr community I guess.

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Were you dropped on your head as a kid?

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so now you advocate for violence and anti-mental health?? didn’t think you could go any lower than your tirade last night

maybe just move on to another post

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i think mel Could be on a top 15 team alone, she is an insane player but i understand her staying on c9w. its hard to say they are a top 15 team currently but they are definitely on their way, only improvement from here on! def top 30-maybe 20 imo

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respectable comment meL is insane and will prove c9W is top 15 if they get the chance to equally compete

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I think Top 40 in NA most likely.

Here are 30 or so teams that I am not sure they are better than:

OpTic, C9, Guard, XSET, V1, NRG, Faze, Ghost, 100T, TSM, Gen G, LG, Sentinels, Knights, Complexity, Evil Geniuses, Akrew, Girl Kissers, Lenny Time, SoaR, DarkZero, ZMMB, TSM Academy, BBG Academy, Moon Raccoons, NYFU, Virtuoso, Soniqs, T1, Team Basilisk, Knights Academy, Nights Academy, C9A, Teal Seam

Think they are one of the teams in contention for top 30, and most likely at least top 40.

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lots of only pro-male teams on there… kinda lame to not include non-male teams…

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the reason that there are no other teams there is because C9W is the best all female team in NA

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top 1000 maybe

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JoeBaitingBiden at it again

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BoeJiden*

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4/8 bait by Boe Jiden

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8/8 as always

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cringe rito not making not supporting and making team better!

They literally give sooo much freedom to them wdym?

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none of their games have casters? that’s a start. never promoted on riot twitter? should I go on?

analyst desk never talks about them during masters as an upcoming team??

like are you trolling??

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they dont get talked about because they are not an upcoming team

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https://gyazo.com/504073f2ce4564a6c9b2987e1f0968c9 what happened ?

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legit not even top 30

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Nope

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also if you really want to think about it, c9w has been beaten by 15 teams alr, those are your 15 teams better than c9w