can we start having a serious discussion about c9W possibly being top 15???
we already know c9 with vanity is loaded with talent but not enough talk about c9W.
lots of talent and the mid round calls are beautiful.
just sad their matches don’t get any commentators but observer only. it’s obvious why(genders). wish riot would support the community better
Hide123 [#5]I’d say top 30, top 15 is kind’ve pushing it. C9W have been improving a lot though, Mel is insane
respect the opinion and at least you’re honest. thanks for contributing to the community and not being sexist!
Dolphin [#4]I gotta say tho, love seeing the c9w girls doing some progress.
yeah, I genuinely do hope for the best for C9W, as well as C9B. But no way are they top 15. I mean they're higher than 79 where they are now, but still not close to top 15.
Dolphin [#4]I gotta say tho, love seeing the c9w girls doing some progress.
yeah Mel is insane for sure. great overall player.
Hide123 [#5]I’d say top 30, top 15 is kind’ve pushing it. C9W have been improving a lot though, Mel is insane
its mel and friends
100TBoeJiden [#12]elaborate?
They can be put in top 30 right now.....in the future if they win against big names or even Nsgs I think we can say top 15 but right now no
WinterZ [#15]Top 50 maybe. meL is cracked but she cant carry her team into top 15 that easily
nice edit
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#13]They can’t even get of ro32
that’s only bc they aren’t provided the same opportunities as the other teams and c9 doesn’t give them the same resources.
the talent is there, the opportunities are not. the investments aren’t there.
it’s that simple
deathlyclaws [#14]They can be put in top 30 right now.....in the future if they win against big names or even Nsgs I think we can say top 15 but right now no
ill agree to disagree but thanks for not being toxic and contributing to the discussion.
fictional [#19]15 from bottom
yikes using sexual slang as a bullying tactic. see what you did there using “bottom”
it’s 2022 not 1944 werirdo
Nips [#11]its mel and friends
nah kat popping off in round of 64. Mel is the goat, but the whole team is solid
Ullyr [#23]top 30 is more reasonable.
why double to top 30? list 30 better teams?
top 15 is acceptable based on talent and lack of opportunities to compete against the best
100TBoeJiden [#17]nice edit
im sorry but this isnt what a top 15 team does. Even T1 would wipe the floor with GK easily.
100TBoeJiden [#21]yikes using sexual slang as a bullying tactic. see what you did there using “bottom”
it’s 2022 not 1944 werirdo
he meant bottom of the leaderboard bro
100TBoeJiden [#24]why double to top 30? list 30 better teams?
top 15 is acceptable based on talent and lack of opportunities to compete against the best
Ik you're trying hard to be the next ballsax but chill out :/
Ullyr [#27]Ik you're trying hard to be the next ballsax but chill out :/
list 30 better teams then. why deflect? when’s your jasonR sub run out??
WinterZ [#31]yea I realized I mistyped that lmao
no you were clearly anti women esports with your original comment and then changed it to “mel is cracked” to save face
the internet is archived. nice try tho
100TBoeJiden [#30]list 30 better teams then. why deflect? when’s your jasonR sub run out??
Ill do it for him. Here goes nothing,
Optic
The Guard
C9B
Xset
V1
NRG
Luminosity
SEN
TSM
FaZe
Knights
Ghost
Akrew
Complexity
Soniqs
SoaR
GenG
Nearest Airport
BBG Academy
T1
TSM Academy
DarkZero Esports
Oxygen Academy
Girl Kissers
Evil Geniuses
100T
Teal Seam
Zero Marksmen Black
Virtuoso
Cosmic Divide
count it, that's 30 teams. And thats only in NA
100TBoeJiden [#33]no you were clearly anti women esports with your original comment and then changed it to “mel is cracked” to save face
the internet is archived. nice try tho
the edit was changing it from top 150 to top 50 and if you actually read my post you'd notice that
WinterZ [#35]Ill do it for him. Here goes nothing,
Optic
The Guard
C9B
Xset
V1
NRG
Luminosity
SEN
TSM
FaZe
Knights
Ghost
Akrew
Complexity
Soniqs
SoaR
GenG
Nearest Airport
BBG Academy
T1
TSM Academy
DarkZero Esports
Oxygen Academy
Girl Kissers
Evil Geniuses
100T
Teal Seam
Zero Marksmen Black
Virtuoso
Cosmic Dividecount it, that's 30 teams. And thats only in NA
lots of male only teams… pretty apprarent why you did that
Amogedon7 [#38]I would love to see them be top 15 but idk if you can say that yet
thanks for a positive comment. i just think their talent is up there if they had the right opportunities to compete on level playing field
100TBoeJiden [#39]lots of male only teams… pretty apprarent why you did that
bruh I just copied vlr's top 30 in NA KEKW. If there isnt any all female teams in top 30 thats not my fault bozo
Nips [#11]its mel and friends
did you watch their match just now? definitely not just "mel and friends"
WinterZ [#41]bruh I just copied vlr's top 30 in NA KEKW. If there isnt any all female teams in top 30 thats not my fault bozo
so you don’t have an independent thought and ability to judge teams?
all you use is some pro-male system that systematically oppresses non-male teams? that artificially rewards oppression?
you realize that’s not OK right?
100TBoeJiden [#43]so you don’t have an independent thought and ability to judge teams?
all you use is some pro-male system that systematically oppresses non-male teams? that artificially rewards oppression?
you realize that’s not OK right?
pro-male kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
WinterZ [#25]im sorry but this isnt what a top 15 team does. Even T1 would wipe the floor with GK easily.
GK (who used to be RNG) beat T1 like 2 months ago, I wouldn't say they wipe the floor easily
100TBoeJiden [#43]so you don’t have an independent thought and ability to judge teams?
all you use is some pro-male system that systematically oppresses non-male teams? that artificially rewards oppression?
you realize that’s not OK right?
c9 white have yet to beat 1 reputable team. How is this some misogyny bs. They just have not performed in matches.
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/1267/cloud9-white/?group=completed
sugmaballzs [#48]c9 white have yet to beat 1 reputable team. How is this some misogyny bs. They just have not performed in matches.
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/1267/cloud9-white/?group=completed
They have only beat womens only teams and shitty ranked player teams who sign up for the open qualifier for fun
saltbox [#47]top 15 is a big stretch imo (and i say this as a c9w fan), but seeing as they did just get to ro32 + 8 teams have already qualified, top 40 is for sure. possibly around the top 30 range others have been discussing, will have to see how they measure up in their next match!
appreciate the nice comment it’s refreshing compared to the others(toxic anti women vlr users)
hope this talented roster gets the opportunity to shine!!
sugmaballzs [#49]They have only beat womens only teams and shitty ranked player teams who sign up for the open qualifier for fun
yikes next time take your toxic takes somewhere else.
you get pretty emotional the moment someone brings up equality.
MerkFreeks [#54]I'd say they're in the top 50-25 range, like on a good day theyre a tier 2 level team. But 15 is a huge stretch, they've only really made it to a top 32 in NA.
name 50 better teams if you’re going to make these wild accusations
100TBoeJiden [#51]yikes next time take your toxic takes somewhere else.
you get pretty emotional the moment someone brings up equality.
your responses are irrelevant to anything that was said previously
BerZergg [#29]top 15? no
top 150? yes
name 150 better teams then? pretty insane comment probably founded in anti-(non)male teams
100TBoeJiden [#7]respect the opinion and at least you’re honest. thanks for contributing to the community and not being sexist!
Yeah Since they made the main bracket in both open Quals for Challengers 2 they are Top 32 NA.
If they win a couple you could make the argument for 20-25th but we will have to wait and see. It's a double elimination so even if they win one game, it could just be a lucky match up against #32. and we would want to see a little more to be able to place them with more confidence on a power level
Wishing them all the success!
100TBoeJiden [#51]yikes next time take your toxic takes somewhere else.
you get pretty emotional the moment someone brings up equality.
I literally just stated a fact
Trunkkz [#57]your responses are irrelevant to anything that was said previously
nice mature comment
sugmaballzs [#60]I literally just stated a fact
facts are subjective when the person stating “facts” don’t acknowledge inequalities.
we get it. you’ve made it clear your position on rights of others.
why continue to triple down?
100TBoeJiden [#62]facts are subjective when the person stating “facts” don’t acknowledge inequalities.
we get it. you’ve made it clear your position on rights of others.
why continue to triple down?
shut it you animal of a human
LordJJJ [#59]Yeah Since they made the main bracket in both open Quals for Challengers 2 they are Top 32 NA.
If they win a couple you could make the argument for 20-25th but we will have to wait and see. It's a double elimination so even if they win one game, it could just be a lucky match up against #32. and we would want to see a little more to be able to place them with more confidence on a power level
Wishing them all the success!
yeah I understand your stance.
just such an exciting team to watch and some really talented players and rounds full of excitement
can’t wait to see them break the glass ceiling and prove all the jasonR fans wrong.
really appreciate cloud9 giving them a platform just wish they’d give more resources to provide more opportunities
Trunkkz [#63]shut it you animal of a human
now resorts to racism. nice. keep it up. really showing the world your true self
100TBoeJiden [#65]now resorts to racism. nice. keep it up. really showing the world your true self
can you explain how they arent given the same resources?
100TBoeJiden [#62]facts are subjective when the person stating “facts” don’t acknowledge inequalities.
we get it. you’ve made it clear your position on rights of others.
why continue to triple down?
Are you missing some chromosomes??? A fact is a fact and the fact is c9 white has yet to beat a legitimate team. What "inequalities" are there in a game of valorant? it is a 5v5 competitive tactical shooter. ALL THE PLAYERS ARE ON EQUAL PLAYING GROUNDS. C9 White just have not proven themselves to be a top 15 team as you said.
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/1267/cloud9-white/?group=completed ----->(name one good team they have beat)
Bobamint [#66]can you explain how they arent given the same resources?
oh I don’t know
-not same salaries as male c9
-no commentators on matches
-not same amount of streaming views = $
-not marketed the same as other teams
-no promotion from riot to help them get to masters
-not the same sponsors as other players individually
-toxic vlr bullies always putting them down
should I go on?
sugmaballzs [#67]Are you missing some chromosomes??? A fact is a fact and the fact is c9 white has yet to beat a legitimate team. What "inequalities" are there in a game of valorant? it is a 5v5 competitive tactical shooter. ALL THE PLAYERS ARE ON EQUAL PLAYING GROUNDS. C9 White just have not proven themselves to be a top 15 team as you said.
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/1267/cloud9-white/?group=completed ----->(name one good team they have beat)
“Equal chromosomes” aka you want to use the R word or some other bullying tactic?
you realize everyone is reading this and it’s permanent on the internet
100TBoeJiden [#68]oh I don’t know
-not same salaries as male c9
-no commentators on matches
-not same amount of streaming views = $
-not marketed the same as other teams
-no promotion from riot to help them get to masters
-not the same sponsors as other players individually
-toxic vlr bullies always putting them downshould I go on?
Maybe if they played good they would get those luxeries. Lower tier teams who beat them also deal with this shit... Go on please
100TBoeJiden [#69]“Equal chromosomes” aka you want to use the R word or some other bullying tactic?
you realize everyone is reading this and it’s permanent on the internet
So are we just ignoring everything I said and mad I called you an idiot now?
sugmaballzs [#70]Maybe if they played good they would get those luxeries. Lower tier teams who beat them also deal with this shit... Go on please
how do you beat “good teams(whatever that means, probably some pro-male stance)
when they don’t get the chance
let me guess you believe ranks in comp mode are equal too?
just leave my post. stop commenting hate. it’s kinda old and your bait is pretty boring
100TBoeJiden [#68]oh I don’t know
-not same salaries as male c9
-no commentators on matches
-not same amount of streaming views = $
-not marketed the same as other teams
-no promotion from riot to help them get to masters
-not the same sponsors as other players individually
-toxic vlr bullies always putting them downshould I go on?
yes if you can please go on, but there is no basis upon your argument
100TBoeJiden [#72]how do you beat “good teams(whatever that means, probably some pro-male stance)
when they don’t get the chance
let me guess you believe ranks in comp mode are equal too?
just leave my post. stop commenting hate. it’s kinda old and your bait is pretty boring
I mean they don't get the chance to play these top teams because they are stuck getting eliminated by shit teams in open quals
Bobamint [#75]
- how do you know their salaries
- commentators dont affect how well you play, its not like they can hear them, there is no croud in an online tourney anyways.
- i dont understand how this affects them, thats their personal branding, they should have to make their own name
- they are decently marketed, they get posts on the valorant channel often and especially on c9 main channels. no teams get marketed through ads or some other way, just posts from twitter, youtube etc.. which they get
- do you want riot to help them/push them through for being female? thats just sexism against men. they have the same chances for tourneys as other teams
- how does this make them worse again?
- Yes this could hurt, they should be able to withstand some hate and i dont see haters here, just people confused as to why you are overrating a team for just being female. They should not expect an applause for doing mediocore, you dont see us applauding t1, but we still call them shit
yes if you can please go on, but there is no basis upon your argument
yikes all you had to do is say “I am JasonR fan”
and saved your time typing up an essay that is against eqaulity.
yea you can have an opinion buts it’s 2022 and that’s your response?
move on to another post if you’re going to hate. you made your claim but this is a community and we won’t tolerate this behavior. sorry to burst your bubble
100TBoeJiden [#78]yikes all you had to do is say “I am JasonR fan”
and saved your time typing up an essay that is against eqaulity.
yea you can have an opinion buts it’s 2022 and that’s your response?
move on to another post if you’re going to hate. you made your claim but this is a community and we won’t tolerate this behavior. sorry to burst your bubble
LMFAO, this has to be bait
exxem [#73]I love watching them and seeing them improve, I would say top 30 for sure, but top 15 is really high imo
understood i just really appreciate their comp, mid round calls and overral approach to the game
SEN could learn a thing or two if they took the time to watch
you can tell vanity has a huge influence in the team by being in the same org.
wouldn’t be surprised if he’s advising the c9W team in his off time. it’s the type of person he is. it’s just obvious
100TBoeJiden [#69]“Equal chromosomes” aka you want to use the R word or some other bullying tactic?
you realize everyone is reading this and it’s permanent on the internet
Also you are using quotations (" ") incorrectly.
I did not say “Equal chromosomes”...
I said "Are you missing some chromosomes???"
quotations are used to directly quote what a person said or wrote, dumbass.
Ahmed_Fadel [#81]thats too high their rank like 30-50
name 30-50 better teams? no one ever can - at least if they actually objectively actually attempt to
sugmaballzs [#83]Also you are using quotations (" ") incorrectly.
I did not say “Equal chromosomes”...
I said "Are you missing some chromosomes???"
quotations are used to directly quote what a person said or wrote, dumbass.
nice more bullying and using the “d_a” word as you continue.
don’t you have anything else better to do besides being a bully and using slurs?
100TBoeJiden [#85]nice more bullying and using the “d_a” word as you continue.
don’t you have anything else better to do besides being a bully and using slurs?
lol i didn't use a slur. just calling you a moron
clickbait_ [#46]GK (who used to be RNG) beat T1 like 2 months ago, I wouldn't say they wipe the floor easily
fair enough, maybe I exaggerated that part a bit but the point is that if even Tier2 teams like GK and Run It Down can beat C9W then what does that say about the team overall?
100TBoeJiden [#58]name 150 better teams then? pretty insane comment probably founded in anti-(non)male teams
90 teams better than c9 white (in no particular order):
sugmaballzs [#88]90 teams better than c9 white (in no particular order):
- Optic
- The Guard
- C9B
- Xset
- V1
- NRG
- Luminosity
- SEN
- TSM
- FaZe
- Knights
- Ghost
- Akrew
- Complexity
- Soniqs
- SoaR
- GenG
- Nearest Airport
- BBG Academy
- T1
- TSM Academy
- DarkZero Esports
- Oxygen Academy
- Girl Kissers
- Evil Geniuses
- 100T
- Teal Seam
- Zero Marksmen Black
- Virtuoso
- Cosmic Divide
- Moon Racoons
- C9A
- NYFU
- Knights Academy
- Skwirrel Warriors
- Lenny Time
- YFP Gaming
- Girl Kissers
- Brimstone Gaming
- Team Basilisk
- Acend
- Team Liquid
- Fnatic
- G2 Esports
- Guild Esports
- Giants Gaming
- Team BDS
- Team Heretics
- FunPlus Phoenix
- TENSTAR
- Team Vitality
- Movistar Riders
- BIG
- Excel
- OG
- SuperMassive Blaze
- Oxygen Esports
- Futbolist
- BBL Esports
- Fire Flux Esports
- Beşiktaş Esports
- Gambit
- Natus Vincere
- ForZe
- One Breath Gaming
- KPI Gaming
- Ninjas in Pyjamas
- Ballista Esports
- Cream Real Betis
- Team Singularity
- ZETA DIVISION
- Crazy Raccoon
- LOUD
- Team Vikings
- Furia Esports
- Keyd Stars
- Havan Liberty
- Sharks Esports
- DRX
- F4Q
- NUTURN Gaming
- Guild Esports
- Team Vitality
- Kru
- Paper Rex
- Xerxia Esports
- Full Sense
- Team Secret
- GenG
- Andbox
yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.
at least ur consistent
consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity
saltbox [#42]did you watch their match just now? definitely not just "mel and friends"
i did just see the game honestly going into this kinda rooting for them
100TBoeJiden [#90]yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.
at least ur consistent
consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity
I have no doubt in my mind that all of the teams on this list would beat c9 white lol. guess i'm oppressive and anti eqaulity
100TBoeJiden [#18]that’s only bc they aren’t provided the same opportunities as the other teams and c9 doesn’t give them the same resources.
the talent is there, the opportunities are not. the investments aren’t there.
it’s that simple
this has to be a troll right? they enter every tournament, there are no restrictions against them playing and they have the best female roster. considering they are an all-female roster, there's nothing else to invest in unless you mean bootcamp. i support c9w and i think they have insane players but saying they don't have the same opportunities/resources makes no sense.
100TBoeJiden [#56]name 50 better teams if you’re going to make these wild accusations
I said they fall into the top 50 as of today based primarily on mickey mouse tourneys and VCT challengers, where both times C9W has made it to the top 32, but no higher than that. So theyre safely in that range, wouldnt say anything above 20 though.
100TBoeJiden [#84]name 30-50 better teams? no one ever can - at least if they actually objectively actually attempt to
Lmao have you already forgotten?
P.S: Ik what you’re gonna say and yes, vlr rankings are an objective source
100TBoeJiden [#90]yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.
at least ur consistent
consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity
just because these men are better than C9 White does not mean he or anyone who lists this kinda stuff is a sexist and is trying to opress women
100TBoeJiden [#90]yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.
at least ur consistent
consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity
obv they're male teams, c9w is the best women team but not top 15 itw lmao
sugmaballzs [#88]90 teams better than c9 white (in no particular order):
- Optic
- The Guard
- C9B
- Xset
- V1
- NRG
- Luminosity
- SEN
- TSM
- FaZe
- Knights
- Ghost
- Akrew
- Complexity
- Soniqs
- SoaR
- GenG
- Nearest Airport
- BBG Academy
- T1
- TSM Academy
- DarkZero Esports
- Oxygen Academy
- Girl Kissers
- Evil Geniuses
- 100T
- Teal Seam
- Zero Marksmen Black
- Virtuoso
- Cosmic Divide
- Moon Racoons
- C9A
- NYFU
- Knights Academy
- Skwirrel Warriors
- Lenny Time
- YFP Gaming
- Girl Kissers
- Brimstone Gaming
- Team Basilisk
- Acend
- Team Liquid
- Fnatic
- G2 Esports
- Guild Esports
- Giants Gaming
- Team BDS
- Team Heretics
- FunPlus Phoenix
- TENSTAR
- Team Vitality
- Movistar Riders
- BIG
- Excel
- OG
- SuperMassive Blaze
- Oxygen Esports
- Futbolist
- BBL Esports
- Fire Flux Esports
- Beşiktaş Esports
- Gambit
- Natus Vincere
- ForZe
- One Breath Gaming
- KPI Gaming
- Ninjas in Pyjamas
- Ballista Esports
- Cream Real Betis
- Team Singularity
- ZETA DIVISION
- Crazy Raccoon
- LOUD
- Team Vikings
- Furia Esports
- Keyd Stars
- Havan Liberty
- Sharks Esports
- DRX
- F4Q
- NUTURN Gaming
- Guild Esports
- Team Vitality
- Kru
- Paper Rex
- Xerxia Esports
- Full Sense
- Team Secret
- GenG
- Andbox
A couple of inactive teams, I mean if u update names, then it's only like 2-3 teams off, but some of these are obvious. (wow actually OG and BDS aren't inactive, they just haven't played in a while and look like actual shit)(Cream Real Betis, Nuturn, and F4Q are inactive, prob could find one or two more, but I'm too lazy to search through that. Cream Real Betis I have never heard of so I did a quick search, and Nuturn and F4Q rosters have been inactive for like a while already)
100TBoeJiden [#43]so you don’t have an independent thought and ability to judge teams?
all you use is some pro-male system that systematically oppresses non-male teams? that artificially rewards oppression?
you realize that’s not OK right?
if c9w is so good why don't vlr put them in top 30 Its not even pro male its a commuter generated list based on games.
how would c9w get better if they already have a huge org supporting them and the best female players
WinterZ [#35]Ill do it for him. Here goes nothing,
Optic
The Guard
C9B
Xset
V1
NRG
Luminosity
SEN
TSM
FaZe
Knights
Ghost
Akrew
Complexity
Soniqs
SoaR
GenG
Nearest Airport
BBG Academy
T1
TSM Academy
DarkZero Esports
Oxygen Academy
Girl Kissers
Evil Geniuses
100T
Teal Seam
Zero Marksmen Black
Virtuoso
Cosmic Dividecount it, that's 30 teams. And thats only in NA
SentinLs with Rawkass will soon be off this list :D
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think your point about them not having casters because they’re female is just wrong?
In the Open Qual #1 they literally got the main stream? With the analaysts and the casters and everything? Now in Open Qual #2, just like so many other teams, they just don’t happen to be on a casting stream
wkeyspectre [#99]obv they're male teams, c9w is the best women team but not top 15 itw lmao
yeah and water isn’t wet.
wkeyspectre [#106]ratio + water is wet btw
wow what an original response using the R word.
don’t worry no one notices you just follow others in life parroting they same thing lacking a single individual thought
100TBoeJiden [#107]wow what an original response using the R word.
don’t worry no one notices you just follow others in life parroting they same thing lacking a single individual thought
ratio + cope + no bitches? + get owned + stay mad bozo
turkey [#98]you’re implying that riot aren’t casting their matches because of their gender? just no.
hard to come to a different conclusion. the facts are pretty evident
Asphyxia [#102]Girl kissers is repeat, Brimstone Gaming inactive D:, C9A is questionable, bc Academy rosters can't play in VCT, but fair enough I guess. Some of these are close are possible wins for C9W(Other than NYFU and Knights Academy), and C9W doesn't play much against male teams, so vlr NA rankings for them are quite ehh, I would say most of these are fair enough though.
nah c9w will lose to all of them
ive seen them lose to fully unknown orgless teams
Zephyros [#111]i lost hope in them when they lost to girl kissers lmao
in srsness tho they regularly lose to t3 teams so nah i dont think top 15 is possible maybe top 30 tho
I just can’t get someone to list 15 better teams let alone 30 if you’re being objectively honest
all I see is people listing abunch of pro male teams.
oh well equality is just not popular in the vlr community I guess.
100TBoeJiden [#113]I just can’t get someone to list 15 better teams let alone 30 if you’re being objectively honest
all I see is people listing abunch of pro male teams.
oh well equality is just not popular in the vlr community I guess.
Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
100TBoeJiden [#40]thanks for a positive comment. i just think their talent is up there if they had the right opportunities to compete on level playing field
What’s not level about it
I think Top 40 in NA most likely.
Here are 30 or so teams that I am not sure they are better than:
OpTic, C9, Guard, XSET, V1, NRG, Faze, Ghost, 100T, TSM, Gen G, LG, Sentinels, Knights, Complexity, Evil Geniuses, Akrew, Girl Kissers, Lenny Time, SoaR, DarkZero, ZMMB, TSM Academy, BBG Academy, Moon Raccoons, NYFU, Virtuoso, Soniqs, T1, Team Basilisk, Knights Academy, Nights Academy, C9A, Teal Seam
Think they are one of the teams in contention for top 30, and most likely at least top 40.
100TBoeJiden [#110]hard to come to a different conclusion. the facts are pretty evident
Or because they are debatably top 40 NA and don’t say to list them I’ve seen multiple lists on this thread already. Riot wouldn’t stream a game where neither team is popular when they can stream much popular and better teams
100TBoeJiden [#20]ill agree to disagree but thanks for not being toxic and contributing to the discussion.
it not an opinion that can be debate... as much as would like them to be top 15 they are not.. look at the top 15 and tell me which one c9w is better. btw t1 is 17, geng 18 and 100t is 26.................
Yicko [#93]this has to be a troll right? they enter every tournament, there are no restrictions against them playing and they have the best female roster. considering they are an all-female roster, there's nothing else to invest in unless you mean bootcamp. i support c9w and i think they have insane players but saying they don't have the same opportunities/resources makes no sense.
they actually don't have the same opportunities - they have way more.
sugmaballzs [#114]Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
so now you advocate for violence and anti-mental health?? didn’t think you could go any lower than your tirade last night
maybe just move on to another post
spaldingmatters [#117]I think Top 40 in NA most likely.
Here are 30 or so teams that I am not sure they are better than:
OpTic, C9, Guard, XSET, V1, NRG, Faze, Ghost, 100T, TSM, Gen G, LG, Sentinels, Knights, Complexity, Evil Geniuses, Akrew, Girl Kissers, Lenny Time, SoaR, DarkZero, ZMMB, TSM Academy, BBG Academy, Moon Raccoons, NYFU, Virtuoso, Soniqs, T1, Team Basilisk, Knights Academy, Nights Academy, C9A, Teal Seam
Think they are one of the teams in contention for top 30, and most likely at least top 40.
lots of only pro-male teams on there… kinda lame to not include non-male teams…
zyzyck [#115]i think mel Could be on a top 15 team alone, she is an insane player but i understand her staying on c9w. its hard to say they are a top 15 team currently but they are definitely on their way, only improvement from here on! def top 30-maybe 20 imo
respectable comment meL is insane and will prove c9W is top 15 if they get the chance to equally compete
tuffybass [#118]Or because they are debatably top 40 NA and don’t say to list them I’ve seen multiple lists on this thread already. Riot wouldn’t stream a game where neither team is popular when they can stream much popular and better teams
that’s my point is riot doesn’t equate them to “popular” which by decree won’t allow them to be “popular”
MilanTheMyth [#128]cringe rito not making not supporting and making team better!
They literally give sooo much freedom to them wdym?
none of their games have casters? that’s a start. never promoted on riot twitter? should I go on?
analyst desk never talks about them during masters as an upcoming team??
like are you trolling??
100TBoeJiden [#131]none of their games have casters? that’s a start. never promoted on riot twitter? should I go on?
analyst desk never talks about them during masters as an upcoming team??
like are you trolling??
they dont get talked about because they are not an upcoming team
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100TBoeJiden [#127]lots of only pro-male teams on there… kinda lame to not include non-male teams…
the reason that there are no other teams there is because C9W is the best all female team in NA
100TBoeJiden [#107]wow what an original response using the R word.
don’t worry no one notices you just follow others in life parroting they same thing lacking a single individual thought
did you just call the word 'ratio' the r-word? ROFL there is no fucking way you're for real
100TBoeJiden [#90]yikes only list male teams and thinks it’s objective.
at least ur consistent
consistently wrong, oppressive and anti eqaulity
name 1 female team in NA that's better than C9W
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