super team discussion

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kyro1

i want to go back through all the "super teams" assembled and see which ones were actually "super teams"

to me for a team to truly be a "super team" you need all 5 players to be top 5 in their region in there respective roles.

FNC 23'
Derke ✅
Leo ✅
Boaster ❌
Chronicle ✅
Alfajer ✅

(as a igl boaster is world class but as a smokes player hes very lacking by my definition it doesnt fit)

SEN 23

zekken ✅
Sacy ✅
pANcada ✅
dephh ❌
TenZ ❌

(dephh is self explanatory and TenZ at this point in time didnt have a proper role and was coming off a season of disaster)

NRG 24
Demon1 ✅
Ethan ✅
Victor ❌
crashies ✅
Marved ❌

(marved had a disaster run on sentinels and victor statistically wasnt close to his 2022 form)

LEV 24
aspas ✅
C0M ✅
kiNgg ✅
Mazino ❌
tex ❌

(mazino at this point in time had always been a role player and tex was coming from tier 2)

VIT 25
Derke ✅
trexx ✅
Sayf ✅
Kicks ✅
Less ✅

(this roster is the only one that fits the criteria so far)

T1 25
BuZz ✅
iZu ✅
stax ❌
sylvan ❌
Meteor ✅

(sylvan was a unknown quantity and staxs individual performance had been poor in the past year)

MIBR 26
aspas ✅
zekken ✅
verno ✅
Mazino ❌
tex ❌

(this roster has 2 pieces that came off of their worst year in their career)

VIT 26
Derke ✅
Chronicle ✅
Jampii ✅
Profek ✅
Sayonara ❌

(sayonara might be a prodigy but he is coming from tier 2)

overall i would say there has only ever been one roster to fit this criteria

#2

Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

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And it is vitality..
I dont mind
Though you did forget t1 26

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tv0rusluke

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Kicks lmfao dude

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kyro1

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kicks had a great champs try to name 5 flash initiators better then him in emea in 2024

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rhythmots

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To say fnc 2023 wasn’t a super team when boasters the best Igl in the world is a pretty dumb take, unless ur going role by role but even then thats a pretty flawed way to measure a super team.

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kyro1

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yea i agree hes a world class igl and it is the most successful roster for a reason but you have to factor in the individual and boaster im sorry is just not a top 5 smokes in emea and never has been

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

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What is top 5 based on?
ACS, because ACS only does kill counts and numbers that can be tracked, not impact by the person

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rhythmots

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By that logic VIT 25 isn’t a super team because sayf wasn’t even a top 10 Igl around then?

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kyro1

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top 5 duelist not igl obviously

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Morgothbauglir

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Was it a superteam when it was formed tho?

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dimmed

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Boaster could hardly be considered best IGL itw by the end of 2022 though

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kyro1

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thats another thing 23 was boaster proving he was a top igl before 23 people maybe had him top 10

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dimmed

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yea so they can't be considered a super team in 2023 because boaster wasn't rated THAT highly yet, in 2023 he proved himself. You can't call people a super team in hindsight, it has to be based on their expectations coming into the year

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putting kicks and not tenz mazino (twice) or boaster is certainly a Choice

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kyro1

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foythvlr

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Kicks played 3 games on 24 champions and two of them were bad how is that a great champions

Stats wise from Stage 2 Chronicle Woot Natank and even qRaxs were better but i didnt watch emea that much so im not putting my hand on the fire for it

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kyro1

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apr bro this guy was world class initiator

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notnorte

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counting kicks but not stax is crazy

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kyro1

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Germy

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Id argue leo was NOT top 5 when he was picked up, he was basically only seen on guild and no one else from that team did well in franchising

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Pomshies

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no ball knowledge take

Leo was amazing in 2022 saying the he wasn’t top 5 regionally is actually outrageous

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Germy

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bro this was the same time frame that cned was the best player in the region. leo was not that guy yet

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Pomshies

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no it wasn’t the same time frame… like you’re an entire year off

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Germy

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you get what i mean, leo was a relatively unknown prospect going into franchising

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Pomshies

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no he wasn’t

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G2thelion

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Leo fried Optic in Copenhagen and went on to lose to both finalists in playoffs
Leo was already considered the next big thing when Fnatic picked him up (everyone in EMEA knew him Sayf and Trexx were the next superstars)

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JonahPork

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Bro just say you have no knowledge lol. Leo was literally the second most highly touted recon player, only to Shao, in EMEA coming into franchising.

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shrike-

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oh my god bruh

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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I understand the point your making but by no means does your definition justify that FNC 23 is not a superteam. I would think you making an exception for the IGL makes more sense, because FNC 23 is on paper to this day the craziest superteam ive ever seen so far.

Also what about T1 2026? Some ppl call them a superteam

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kyro1

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t1 26 is just t1 25 with a igl so i mean you could say they are but they already had a core i feel like its a little different its kinda like prx with invy

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What is top 5 based on?
ACS, because ACS only does kill counts and numbers that can be tracked, not impact by the person
I mean the only way to truly tell the impact(atleast for a vocal caller or lurker), is to see how they impact their team. Because boaster may not frag, but he constantly makes team choices that win rounds

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Yanko

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Ok I think now I'm actually being rage baited because these people don't seem to understand the word superteam and what it means

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performaa

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How you're not including 2026 t1 in this is crazy

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kyro1

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FNC 24 boaster is the best igl in EMEA is a super team at worst his a top 2 igl in emea 23 Super team 100%

NRG 24 is a super team Victor Marved lost stock but not enough stock to not be superstars in 24 still considered Top players but they are on there last chance also having the optic core + 2 champs winners in 24 is the absolute last year the Optic core could be considered a super team core and the hyped showed it Superteam

VIT 25 kicks X for sure

T1 25 stax is a top 2 igl in KR coming into 25 superteam

T1 26 is a upgrade to a super team so is it idk?

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uwukitten

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"top 2 igl in kr" how many igls are there in a region with 3-4 tier 1 teams 😂😂😂

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jixk

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he is a ult orb terrible personality and allat but he can call he was top 1 before munchkin's rookie igl year i think

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uwukitten

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he can call?? literally drx's issue was always that he's a dogshit caller, termi was trying to teach him by not calling any timeouts. even on T1 the calling is still ass. calling him top 1 in a region that has no notable igls is meaningless

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jixk

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yeah that would matter if T1 wasn't a KR team termi not calling timeouts is literally not teaching him how to igl the calling on T1 isn't ass lowk stax's is a tilter and his calls becomes buns

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Yanko

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PRX NRG FNC T1 ALL BY PLAYERS ACHIEVEMENT ARE SUPER TEAMS THIS YEAR VIT HAVE ONLY 2 PLAYERS WHO WON INTERNATIONAL THAT'S NOT A SUPER TEAM

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Divine_Thunder

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"Mazino ❌" anyone who was underrating mazino is stupid

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kyro1

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was mid in 23 and 25 both of his stand out years were spaced apart

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Punni

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you dont know ball my boy

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Divine_Thunder

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you dont know ball my boy

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carlosffs7

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only say that you don't know ball , is okay golden2 fan

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FNC 23 won 2 trophies and a top 4 at champs I think that does justice to the title of "superteam"

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saw an x next to boaster and stopped reading

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Idk considering an igl as a role is just strange a superteam could have the best shooters on the planet if they don’t have a really good igl they’re just immediately not a super team to me. Also some of these don’t even make sense as you seems very result oriented for some reason as you exclude sayonara but include sayf who’s in an off role? His results were based on duelist he’s playing different roles AND igling… that logic is just not consistent lol.

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Josuke7

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Shittiest take on vlr. Boaster easily world class in 2023

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kyro1

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boaster a world class smokes player 😭😭

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c0m and kicks lmaoo??

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kyro1

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c0m was coming off of a champs win

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Bro it’s specific to have all 5 players in top 5. I would consider a team with atleast 3 top 5 players in their roles is a super team. Because someone has to do the dirty laundry Everyone can’t be a hero on a team.

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mazino ❌ only proves how underrated this dude is. stfu

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kyro1

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mazino is a top 5 flex rn but if you considered him a top 5 flex going into 2024 or 2026 you are lying

#52

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nrg 2026 deserves a mention i think if you're going on expectations before the year starts

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fuzziii

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no bro we jus savin strats for champs trust 🥺🥺 (cope)

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kyro1

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i really don't think rosters like that are super teams in the same way

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P100P

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No way you are telling Jampii , Profek, Kicks are super stars but not Tenz, Mazino, Boaster, Marved lmao

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kyro1

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as individuals yes excluding tenZ but atp we hadnt seen tenz reinvent himself

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Tbh Tenz 2023 was bad. He also got benched. But dude came back on 2024 real good

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"Boaster ❌"???

he is top 1 in his role of igl

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kyro1

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not a top 5 smokes player and was not considered to be the igl he is now in 2022

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faloxxl

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kicks?????????????????????????

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Zerphyr1

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most retarted post ive seen all year so far

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Marii

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T1 26 for sure and Kicks? Hell no

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guywithabaguette

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T1 26
Meteor ✅
Munchkin✅
stax❌
Buzz ❌
iZu✅

(stax and Buzz absolutely crashed and burned after bangkok, the other 3 have been consistently good)