by ai i mean like generative ai like the new one seedance etc
Shit is cooked, there are real human beings that support this shit.
I feel so bad for the younger generation, they'll grow up watching "spongebob vs goku", "luffy vs rick and morty"
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need to invent a time machine so i can stop generative ai from ever being invented
the people supporting it are the people who cant do art/animations or are company's trying to save money. literally saw a whole AI ad from liquid death recently 😭
imagine the entire film and entertainment industry just becoming AI generated
AI games, AI movies, AI shows
and this isn't even fearmongering we have already seen signs of it
my youtube is literally flooded with ads of these shitty ai generated games, this shit gotta go man
I mean it helps me so i like it, ppl gotta adapt imo we can't disregard new even if it messes some ppl up cuz bro Atp we'd be against cars then the internet
I get that there are AI that are helpful but I'm talking about generative AI here. What good does it do for people to just flood the internet with slop media? How does that help exactly?
isnt generative ai like anythign ranging from a chat bot to like generating videos
if you utilize shit like a chat bot to your advantage you'll find so many ways to succeed like there are some prompts that are sooooooooo helpful
for the slop thing idk i just am not talking about that, and although it sucks there's always a bad side to a good thing or vice versa
Yeah those also fall under the generative umbrella but I clearly specified "generative ai like the new one seedance etc"
then yea i'd argue its worth it because as i siad every good thing will have a bad thing with it
Eh, I feel like the negatives far outweigh the positives for me. Data centers are using up to 5 million gallons of fresh water per day for mfs to generate rick and morty in spongebob videos.
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption
Here ya go, one google search.
Ignoring that you don't know shit, you are wasting more resources opening your browser and using google, you are wasting also more natural resources with the phone or PC that you are using to write in this forum...
artists produce a better product
the only advantage of gen AI is corporate cost cutting on creative jobs
and genuinely what is the point of making creative media to connect with humans if the human portion is just AI prompts and nothing else
there is only so much you can express with gen AI because you don't have control over finer details
neither can you innovate new styles and express ideas in new ways
read my #15 esp first sentence
isnt generative ai like anythign ranging from a chat bot to like generating videos
chat bot is fine for productivity purposes like studying or programming assistance
if you are using an LLM to write an creative essay or to write a book even, you are losing the plot
same with AI generated art, it is just shitty slop but you can make it with way less production cost than hiring a good artist
AI generated videos are also low quality slop but for people on a budget you get a "good enough" product at a lower cost
The thing is that big corporations with the money to hire a production crew are opting to AI generate content instead now, so the quality of everything is just dropping overwhelmingly, and this is an upticking trend
AI cannot innovate either, it is a tool for productivity but we are using it in fields where human innovation and creativity are important to the process, which is just counterintuitive
"it is a tool for productivity but we are using it in fields where human innovation and creativity are important to the process, which is just counterintuitive"
yeah which is why GEN ai isnt the problem imo its the people using it
the people who use it productively it just boosts workflow
People using Gen AI are just low iq people which makes me feel like Einstein 😂🤙
let me hear your thoughts on why you think the positives of generative ai will outweigh all the negatives?
positive:
-various uses in healthcare, maybe it will lead to restoring senses and can fix nerves, that's a big positive
-anybody can create any image/video/other form of art they want. That's a W for freedom of expression
-help make software faster and at a bigger scope
Bruh, you never read the post or what? "generative ai like the new one seedance etc"
I already said that there are AI that are helpful, what I'm talking about is slop media.
Oh yeah you right, just brushed past it after the first line.
But, okay so what's the end game? Big media corpos will fire 80% of human workers, to "cut costs" since ai is cheaper. So you're basically paying the same price to consume content because corpos won't drop prices anyways for something you can just generate. We're not talking about copyright stuff yet either plus the effect of AI on our environment too.
the end game?
Infinite entertainment that you can build as you wish, corpos are irrelevant since basically you can host your own agent
Ai effect on environment? That's real but insignificant when you see the whole picture
And copyright stuff too bad ig
Lmaoo you think big corpos will let that happen? It's just free for now but they'll just put a price tag or a make it a subscription service in the future, running data centers ain't cheap y'know.
@lumpia_mayor @cirruss
u guys are genuinely clueless, asking to discuss but resorting to name calling xD
corpos will compete for your momey and while that happens they will make their models open source which you guys can self-host on ur own machine cutting the corpos all the way
yeah man, corporations are going to suddenly decide to make their product free to everyone after taking all their money. as if people haven’t gotten richer and richer every single day. it’s all a plot to make as much money as they can to control you
“corpos are irrelevant” who do you think pays for the servers? pays to run it? and more importantly, how do you think people are able to use AI? they still need a device. you are so unbelievably stupid
people are going to get around to it, whether that's a good or bad thing I have no idea
somewhere I mentioned that it is great for streamlining work, sometimes writing certain code thats easy could be a responsability delegated to some ai agent, same with paper referencing etc for relatively minor stuff, very nice compressing tool at least in my research / project experience
90% of it is useless slop
But there are like some cases where there are genuienly some pretty cool uses of it
Referring and learning the topics which you don’t understand does help greatly with AI since it summarises things from different websites
any use of AI that is “convenient” or good is outweighed immensely by the negative effects it has on art and the economy
everyone involved needs to go
“efficiency is money” brother openai is bleeding money and has been since it came out. sam altman literally had to throw ads on chatgpt and go back on something he said less than a year before because it isn’t profitable at all. and if it was good for the economy, do you think there would still be an affordability crisis in the US, like there is right now?
that's because OpenAI make their AI models available for the public as a free service 🤦🏻. OpenAI would literally make money if AI isn't free. Their primary source of income isn't even from the public but from developers and companies who use their AI models. If they make all of their AI models be subscription-based with no free tokens at all, then they would literally be afloat on their own.
unemployment is literally on the rise and it's gonna continue to rise with AI replacing human workers. Who's gonna consume anything if more than 50% of the population got no jobs in the future?
you're viewing AI as an opposition rather than as a tool. AI will only replace people who cannot adapt to AI. If you cant survive, you will die. It's natural selection back again.
Well, my main gripe in this thread was about media generation. I get how AI can be helpful to people.
efficiency is money, but the gained efficiency costs even more money. the big guy investor money dump isnt infinite and thats whats keeping the datacenters lights on while they go 5 bil on the negative (openAI). the efficiency is gone with the money.
thats why you see them buying 70 mil domain names and super bowl ads and w/e, desperately wanting you to think its the future by pushing it in everywhere and feed the fearmongering, so they money keeps coming just a bit longer.
AI is literally providing companies and businesses with a centralized service using AI. It allows them to not pay for multiple services and subscriptions that AI can do on its own, which now you only have to pay for AI. Moreover, AI can provide data analysis on sales data to improve utilization and buying of resources, which leads to SAVING money.
Your logic is entirely flawed when you're just looking at the provider of AI and not on the benefits it provides to millions of companies and businesses. Economies are literally growing because of AI.
I think there are certain cases where it is beneficial but for the most part its just not being used in those ways. Also I think governments needs to make laws on what art ai can use and what it can't use, almost like a new form of patent, copyright, or trademark where artist will be able to put some kind of water mark on their works that will tell an ai that it cannot use this art work in its image generation (almost like how currency has certain dot patterns on it that makes it so printers won't copy it).
Yeah, we need laws for this kind of stuff already. Like why we do need something that can generate photorealistic images and videos of people?
I think hating it is stupid.
I am in support of it, but can also see its negatives like with jobs loss being a prevalent one, I still think blaming the ai itself is stupid and instead should blame the system, like so much technology or things we easily do where someone else's job and we have to remember that.
You playing valorant uses more energy or enviromnetal problems than someone prompting gpt for days or weeks or months, like Please don't bring this stupid water argument.
These guys are clueless af. They should check their facts and investigate and compare a lot of their claims before trying to promote their agenda.
Man what? There are literal studies for these here you go. https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption
It's not an agenda, it is literally happening rn
Ye Making one model takes a lot of water, but when that AI is launched or model, 100s of million of people can profit from 100k worth of people water, like It me using gpt4 doesn't consume any water, I promise you this argument has been debunked so many times, just open reddit and go to r/aiwars
You have no idea of how anything works if you think playing valorant is worse than constant gpt prompts.
data centers exclusively for chatbots are being made, which use more electricity, more server space, more silicon than consumers ever have. before ai did ram ever cost this much? did nvidia have to shut down gpu production? the answer is no
i feel like many people just forget the fact that search engines also requires water and electricity to operate too, as we hear "ai wastes water" all the time but we almost never hear "google searching wastes water"
i understand that one ai chat response uses several times more resources than one google search but its also true that many people "wastes" water by searching dumb question just as they do generating stupid ai videos
if one is going to insist that ai is morally bad while google searching is not, then they should explain why using waters and electricities are only a problem when it comes to ai
because it's already harmful as is, why are we trying to waste more by adding more slop? These ai slop brainrot videos do not help anybody
youre not the only one that judges whether ai is a waste of resources or not
Yeah, you right, clearly there are people that consume that type of content and like them after all.
Maybe I need more research but a single prompt is the equivalent of a quarter of a teaspon, I am not saying that AI is completely environmental friendly but to me is just funny, that every single thing we do online uses water but no one talk about it till ai
people will feel bad about ai when that data center moves in and takes their town's water supply and turns it into a desert
AI use is far too normalized and it should honestly scare people a lot more than it should. The amount of people I personally know who talk to chatgpt like its a real person, or use it in order to do easy tasks like writing a grocery list is absolutely insane. Not to mention the amount of people who use it to cheat on assignments, what's even the point of going to school if you won't even try and learn anything. "Vibecoding" is the worst example of this, the most dogshit CS student you know is running a GPT prompt to do his homework and not learning any of the fundamentals of coding, creating the most bloated dogshit messes of code that are impossible to properly debug because the coder has no idea what anything actually means. The fact that there's engineers out there that are cheating on something as fundamental as Differential Equations of all things should scare everybody
I mean it depends on how u use it ig, im currently studying cs and I also use it but mainly as a debugger or to give me ideas when I’m stuck, I still do most of the work myself and understand every bit of code, since there are assignment interviews anyways where you need to live code, so cheating on assignments in Uni only brings you so far but you’ll never finish
One person's half assed attempt at trying to create something they enjoy no matter how bad it is has more soul than the most physically beautiful AI image. This is just the start, when people depend too much on AI and lose their ability to have their own thoughts and of course got to love how much water it takes and all the bad data centers
People in these replies oversimply this shit so much that it's actually sad. It's like being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Gen AI has a crazy negative effect on our world but what could we really say to change people's minds?
Photographers, illustrators, coders, writers and countless more losing their jobs isn't enough? Death of creativity, arts & design degradation isn't enough? Falsification isn't enough? How many negative effects of AI do you need until you say "Okay, maybe AI is going too far". (I don't think all AI is bad, but you get my point)
Yea well you're acting like that hasn’t been a thing for ages. Trading platforms destroyed Wall Street. Content creation destroyed Hollywood. Autonomous driving is slowly taking out drivers.
The negative effects you’re mentioning are nothing new.
On gen ai. Yea sure I don’t like the obviously fake videos on my timelines but once it gets perfected I’m not really going to care that it wasn’t “made with passion”, this shit is all for profit anyway bro. Anyone that wants to continue their passion of video making still can. But let me guess: they all will stop if they can’t keep up and make money. Guess it wasn’t passion they were after anyway
so you're saying the concept of art made with passion dying out is comparable to factory workers being replaced by robots?
ART is wayy more that just money. a good chunk of some of the most famous art pieces gained their importance decades after their creators died. why should we let that quality of us as a species die out? its literally THE defining characteristic seperating us from less intelligent species. it is our oldest tradition from cave paintings all the way to me fucking around on Affinity Designer. i envy someone so ignorant and nihilistic that they can write off the concept of art as "all for profit anyway bro".
edit: flag also checks out
Art major 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Gang ur better off in gender studies.
The game is just changing pup. I bet the picassos would be pissed off at digital artists. It’s not that serious, bc the world is just evolving and you have to adapt if you want to keep up, you can also not it’s totally fine. You are acting like you can’t be an artist if u still want. If anything it would raise the value of traditional art
You literally just got ur panties in a bunch over nothing. Why are you quick to downplay the ease of access the ai provides. More people might even be able to produce their own anime’s. Short cartoons, the list goes on. They don’t have to waste years of schooling to maybe get a job.
Hella ironic talking about flag checking out. Look bro, ur no longer gonna be able to paint tourist portraits in the streets, find a new hustle instead of getting angry at a VLR post
ease of access? fat american needs robot to pick up pencil?
learn a skill
The only peak thing that ai has made was that 2025 meme rewind video
But generally, ai is just a hindrance more than a tool, it should be removed so that people acc have to try and critically think
arguably AI is art.
As in to make an AI from scratch itself requires quite a bit of skill and CS knowledge.
but yeah gen AI (illustrations, videos and sht) is awful.
It's a huge waste of everything, and it's a symbol of everything wrong in tech industry. Instead of developing at making the AI "smarter", companies would rather brute force it and that's why RAM (and other PC parts likely) gets more expensive. Developing the AI for it to understand the things faster with less tools, they'd rather throw money at it.
I think people who use it has low appreciation of art, and if you ask them what they like, they cannot coherently explain why they like it.
Aside from the amount of stolen art it consumes to generate stuff, it doesn't have object permanence, its biggest problem is if you prompt the same thing twice, more likely than not, it would show two different things. It can't remember shit, that's why you're seeing AI hallucination videos all the time where they pan and suddenly it's a different scene. For something that's supposedly so advanced, it cannot do the most basic and easiest thing to do for an artist. If you are trying to picture a room using AI, then ask to move an object, the object will definitely move where you want it, but everything else will also be moved where you don't want it.
The time it gets dangerous is if it can understand layers like in photoshop and manipulate objects separately.
It can be very useful, but the sad reality is that 90-95% of the times its used for the wrong reasons
From an academic standpoint, it can either be a great tool or brainwash you. If you use it moderately and use it to HELP your critical thinking, it can be a good tool. If you spam every single reading/assignment/essay into AI, not learn anything, and solely depend on it, that's a waste of water + makes you retarded down the line. Overall, I have a very neutral standpoint on AI, but I can see it shifting to a negative one if things don't change, and I continue to see retards spam it.
generative AI in our entertainment will never be a good thing, AI slop is already frying people’s brain. the rise of the technology will replace genuinely talented people in our favourite industries just to save mr.bezo’s a couple of cents. i hope that ai use can be heavily regulated because i can’t understand why the fuck anybody would want our shows and movies to be automated? food made by talented chefs will always taste better than frozen dinner, and you can’t really argue that AI generated content will be a cheaper alternative because no tf it ain’t. netflix and other media company executives would rather cut open their own stomachs with a butter knife than to lower subscription and ticket prices. on top of that, openAI is projected to LOSE 14 billion this year alone, enjoy creating your AI dog shit while you still can because i don’t see this stuff continuing to be free in the long term.
also “AI artists” will never be real artists, telling the chef how you want your food made does not make you the chef.
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