5

Is This Fair? (MASTERS NEW META)

Comments:
Threaded Linear
#1
Shadow_Monarch

Everyone share their thoughts on this.

Is it FAIR for New Meta to be played at Masters? And If so, the teams that already made PLAYOFFS are sitting and waiting for Swiss Stage teams, correct?
Teams who already made Playoffs have no chance to gain reps, experience real matches in the new meta, while Swiss Stage teams are gaining the reps and experience and becoming stronger and more experienced in the new meta competing against other high level teams.

G2 for example just came off from playing Tejo only into the new meta. They had 0 official match in the new meta, and are playing PRX who played a total of 7 MAPS at Masters already during Swiss Stage - Against 3 teams and 7 match games technically. PRX already has advantage with all the EXPERIENCE from the matches in the new meta.

Mind everyone, FNC G2 RRQ XLG only made Playoffs because of the OLD META

What do you guys all think?

(Already knew JonahP was going to fall hard after the Breach nerf as well)

#2
Dudhi
4
Frags
+

hot sauce. franks red hot? cholula?

#10
Shadow_Monarch
5
Frags
+

Sriracha > all

#12
Dudhi
2
Frags
+

green cap sriracha is heavenly

#33
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

is franks red hot sauce actually even good? isn't it just basic and mid?

#34
Dudhi
1
Frags
+

i've actually never had it lol, always been a cholula and sriracha guy

#3
garamanmararaman
8
Frags
+

they got to watch teams play the new meta so ig its a win for both parties

#11
Shadow_Monarch
2
Frags
+

Watching VODS of teams already playing is one thing, but playing the official matches and experiencing it is more worth the value in my opinion.

#19
garamanmararaman
3
Frags
+

they also have time to prepare counter-strating, since they knew what the other teams are going to play
i mean it depends on how well teams utilize it, some gets better with playing, others by prepping for it

#4
gordonramsay
1
Frags
+

its not that fair considering some teams won their regionals during a specific meta but they learned this shit from league. They always change the meta before an international tournament to spice things up

#14
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

Yeah exactly... It's not really displaying who the "Best Teams" are if the meta changes somewhat.. its a new game and fair for all other teams who failed in old meta.

#28
gordonramsay
0
Frags
+

it is what it is, I guess on the bright side the 1st seeded teams have more time to prepare for the new meta but idk I think that backfires for some of them. Looks like having reps in swiss are a good idea for a lot of these teams aka PRX, GENG, SEN are all good examples of this

#5
FNATIC_OMEGALUL
0
Frags
+

I know it's not the same but only 1/4 1st seeded teams won their opening match in shanghai

#8
JesusisLord
0
Frags
+

I was wrong lol

#6
yukky
-1
Frags
+

its fair whatever

#7
blooperdooper45
1
Frags
+

yeah this is pretty much it. There'sa balance, though, because the playoff teams get to see other team's reads on the meta without showing theirs, but it does make it really weird having a completely new meta for the tournament. The winner of this will be the team that is best at adapting

#21
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

PRX literally plays same comps from previous years, they only changed Patmen and Mindfreak. They already know how to play the meta without Tejo. G2 had 0 real matches without Tejo so the experience from matches does help a lot more than watching VODS.

#32
Heisenburger09
1
Frags
+

If prx are playing what they were last year then why can't G2 have anti strated or come up with plans during this whole time they are the best team and one of the favourites to win this tourney they could've easily come up with a game plan to outplay them

#9
DrudaL
0
Frags
+

is it fair? no, but thats how life is

#13
noronoro
5
Frags
+

New patch played in master is fine in my opinion, because its create some nice upset and fresh strategy

But yeah, the format need to change.
I think the format will be better if all teams plays swiss, with the 1st seed got advantage like +1 swiss point and choose first enemy.

#23
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

100%

#15
Luceus
1
Frags
+

I think it's also a lack of teams being able to get good practice with the new meta. I feel like vct has to change up the format if they wanna have teams play with the new meta in masters

#25
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

Exactly, that as well 100%

#16
saket
1
Frags
+

Its fair buddy except from g2 not all teams were tejo merchant. And without playing swiss stage they have lot of time to prep , to do anti strat, but g2 fails and fnc , xlg will also gonna fall

#17
Melloaw
1
Frags
+

I think it’s fair because they can see how other team play first without showing their stuff.

#18
vibemerchant_25
4
Frags
+

I mean how far can you even go for fairness. Loads of countries struggle to generate esports talent and loads of countries have constant visa issues, there's only so much you can do to level the field. Also rito doesn't care about fairness they want content and we're all out here crying about the emea issues driving mad traffic to their event.

#24
Melloaw
1
Frags
+

Finally someone with brain on vlr

#26
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

This is definitely true as well.

#20
Kiyotaka_16
2
Frags
+

Its a double edged sword just yesterday all people and analysts were saying that 1st seed is beneficial because firstly in a new meta all will have new comps and they will get to see all new stuff of swiss teams but a disadvantage of no reps in new meta

#30
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

Yeah exactly.

#22
SanePath
1
Frags
+

But G2 had the huge advantage of watching/knowing about 6 out of 7 map pool of PRX, and they still lost.
PRX had no info.

#27
foythvlr
0
Frags
+

no one knew what the meta would be like

#29
jixk
1
Frags
+

its fair cause the 1st seeds dont have to worry about getting elimed in the swiss have more prep time into new meta and get to fully anti he teams going here

G2 for example had tape on prx's lotus and split could've made a anti comp or anti strat no need to change the comp and ran it but they choose to play there tejo comps without tejo for some reason which is stupid when breach is nerfed too this completely there bad any team who cant play without tejo is boosted and ass
(g2 isnt btw idc what u say)

Tejo nerf is 100% fair since i dont have to watch it anymore and thats all that matters vct is entertainment first after all he also has the added benefit of making the game boring and uncompetitve so win win

#31
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

"its fair cause the 1st seeds dont have to worry about getting elimed in the swiss have more prep time into new meta and get to fully anti he teams going here"

Fair I guess. Good example.

#35
WildSouls
3
Frags
+

I mean even going into Shanghai people were talking about being a first seed being a disadvantage. With hindsight it was really the top 3 at Shanghai were all Swiss teams with several top seeds bombing out.
Even players like fns or saadhak in the past have said it was more of a benefit to go through groups then straight to playoffs for them for the extra reps In the meta because their is only so much vod review or scrims can actually benefit you then actually stage time.

#36
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

Yep.

#37
HeIsTet
2
Frags
+

Playoff teams are at more disadvantage than Swiss, despite being able to Anti strat. It isn't as easy people said Valorant has too many variables to counter every play the enemy has, the only good thing imo about playing later is yk what maps the swiss teams like playing, so you can plan around that or ban it.

#40
GarbanzoEnjoyer
1
Frags
+

PRX went into that game not having a clue what maps or comps G2 would run. That's way more of a disadvantage than going in "cold."

#42
HeIsTet
-1
Frags
+

Bro G2 playstyle is the exact same dfym? Also they don't have a best map, PRX just played very well and read G2 retakes.

#43
GarbanzoEnjoyer
0
Frags
+

yeah and that's why they lost... they had weeks of prep time and they still ran the same slow breach + ini playstyle as if tejo never left

#44
HeIsTet
0
Frags
+

Yeah I agree, retaking without Tejo is a lot harder. You could molly two spots to clear very easy not u cant do that shit no more.

#38
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

Clearly SEN wins their series too since XLG has no idea what to do or how to play.

#39
creamyyy
1
Frags
+

this sen run is so fraudulent. tbh we would have lost to prx, geng, TL but got lucky with draws

#41
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

Zekken is a Top5 duelist and so freaking good I have no idea what you're talking about.

#45
Shadow_Monarch
1
Frags
+

Some people think G2 lost because of no Tejo. Nah dude G2 looked a little lost and PRX had plenty of experience which built them CONFIDENCE and just played better.

#46
delighted
-5
Frags
+

it is what it is

#47
UNITE_RIT
0
Frags
+

Whole team had a time to make their own comps and strats
And better team gonna win the masters anyway.

And as a common VCT Fan this is way better to watch
If meta is not change, its gonna be boring normally

#48
hentaibasher21
0
Frags
+

its funny some teams knew he would be nerfed like fnc they didnt use him to qualify but g2 did they relied on him some teams are actually smart unlike g2 its their own fault

#49
oriole
1
Frags
+

There is not enough prep and scrims you can do that can counter the upgrades and improvements you make by playing and grinding through tournament matches.

The PRX of like 5 days ago would have lost to G2.

Similar situation with Wolves.

#50
temi
0
Frags
+

G2 had weeks to prep…
No ewc qualies, no major travel time, no roster moves… they coulda prepped new comps or ideas (gen g) or heavy anti’d…they basically ran 2 no risk comps with nothing new

#51
Shadow_Monarch
0
Frags
+

#1 seed Playoff teams are in Playoffs just to get sent to the Lower Playoffs bracket lol. All the Play-In teams so far made Upper Playoffs.

  • Preview
  • Edit
› check that that your post follows the forum rules and guidelines or get formatting help
Sign up or log in to post a comment